"Not Real Christians"

Infinityloop · Dec 11, 2019

Playing with anachronistic semantics (meaning of a word usage defined in later history) with blind people (people who stumble over their own feet and cannot read) will never get anywhere. The word "Christian" is used three times in the New Testament and I do know that, what the word denotes however is not the same as what it became used as in later history. Two of the three uses of the word are used rather as insults and the other is used as someone who takes upon themselves the humiliation of Jesus.

TokiEl · Dec 11, 2019

Red Sky at Morning said:
indeed... what was it??

Luke 23 39 Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”

40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”

43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

1 John 1 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

One of the criminals came to his senses and the thought of God humbled him and he confessed his sins and was in awe of the innocent man hanging beside him whose only crime was a claim to come from God.

Lisa · Dec 11, 2019

Infinityloop said:
Playing with anachronistic semantics (meaning of a word usage defined in later history) with blind people (people who stumble over their own feet and cannot read) will never get anywhere. The word "Christian" is used three times in the New Testament and I do know that, what the word denotes however is not the same as what it became used as in later history. Two of the three uses of the word are used rather as insults and the other is used as someone who takes upon themselves the humiliation of Jesus.

Well..in the verse I gave it was a good use of the word.

Agrippa would have set Paul free.

Is this the bad one you are talking about? Doesn’t seem so bad to me..we all know that if they hated Jesus they will hate us too.

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:16‬ ‭
But if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name.

I guess we are called Christians after all..this verse doesn’t seem all that bad..

Acts‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭
And he left for Tarsus to look for Saul; and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

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Infinityloop · Dec 11, 2019

Lisa said:
Well..in the verse I gave it was a good use of the word. Agrippa would have set Paul free.

Is this the bad one you are talking about? Doesn’t seem so bad to me..we all know that if they hated Jesus they will hate us too.

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:16‬ ‭

But if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name.
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"and the other is used as someone who takes upon themselves the humiliation of Jesus" 1 Peter 4:16 is the verse I meant.

Lisa said:
I guess we are called Christians after all..this verse doesn’t seem all that bad..
Acts‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭

And he left for Tarsus to look for Saul; and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
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You're clearly not a disciple who lived in Antioch Lisa. What you fail to grasp is that the idea of a "Christian" evolved over time. None of the three instances it's mentioned in the Bible does it denote the same thing, and what they each imply textually varies between verse and verse.
The word "Christian" in the Bible means a different thing to the religion that calls itself that, whether Protestant or Catholic, completely different thing to the Biblical use. As you should know (if you know anything at all about early Christian history), it was a derogatory word in it's original use and did not mean anything referring to a religious set of beliefs or practices (those took time, just like the Bible canon itself).

floss · Dec 12, 2019

Lisa said:
Let us live in the truth though, right? Should we then say that Jesus was born on Christmas Day and celebrate it as true when it’s not? It’s not like that starts people out on the right track with God, starting with a lie?

Imho, The Lord doesn't care when Christmas are being celebrated just like the Sabbath. He's more concerned with lost souls being reconciled. I mean, whose want to celebrate Christmas in the summer?

Lisa · Dec 12, 2019

floss said:
Imho, The Lord doesn't care when Christmas are being celebrated just like the Sabbath. He's more concerned with lost souls being reconciled. I mean, whose want to celebrate Christmas in the summer?

Well, when the tradition says its December 25th, no one. However, my point is that it’s not as important to celebrate a birthday when God has always existed and that’s not why He came to earth. Why would He need a birthday celebration anyway? We only do it for us and I think its misguided.

Lisa · Dec 12, 2019

Infinityloop said:
"and the other is used as someone who takes upon themselves the humiliation of Jesus" 1 Peter 4:16 is the verse I meant.

You're clearly not a disciple who lived in Antioch Lisa. What you fail to grasp is that the idea of a "Christian" evolved over time. None of the three instances it's mentioned in the Bible does it denote the same thing, and what they each imply textually varies between verse and verse.
The word "Christian" in the Bible means a different thing to the religion that calls itself that, whether Protestant or Catholic, completely different thing to the Biblical use. As you should know (if you know anything at all about early Christian history), it was a derogatory word in it's original use and did not mean anything referring to a religious set of beliefs or practices (those took time, just like the Bible canon itself).

Not exactly true.
The disciples were called Christians in Antioch. Acts 11:26
Agrippa tells Paul that in a short time Paul would persuade him to become a Christian. Acts 26:28
Peter tells us Christians not to be ashamed to suffer for Christ but glorify God. 1 Peter 4:16

I think it did come to be a derogatory meaning...but like Peter said...don’t be ashamed...glorify God!

Toulouse · Dec 12, 2019

llleopard said:
Must one? I don't recall seeing that in the Bible anywhere?

The word isn't, but the concept is. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus, Himself, states, "Go therefore, and teach all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." That's pretty clear, wouldn't you admit? So the early Church fathers decided to shorten it (for practical reasons, perhaps) to the "Trinity" when referring to the three persons of God. Pretty easy stuff...
Jesus says in John 10:30 "The Father and I are One." In 2 Corinthians 3:17 we read "Now the Lord is the Spirit..." Each person of the Trinity is called "Lord." Three Persons, One God = Holy Trinity.

Toulouse · Dec 12, 2019

Lisa said:
Well, when the tradition says its December 25th, no one. However, my point is that it’s not as important to celebrate a birthday when God has always existed and that’s not why He came to earth. Why would He need a birthday celebration anyway? We only do it for us and I think its misguided.

Firstly, what does "Imho" mean? Secondly, God doesn't need anything...he doesn't even need us. We celebrate His human birth to remind us of what He did for us. Simple.

Toulouse · Dec 12, 2019

Lisa said:
Sorry, but who cares what the queen does? She isn’t God. With God we worship in spirit and in truth...so why then would we continue a lie? Is God honored when we celebrate lies? I don’t think He is. How then do you make disciples when you start out lying to people?

And again, my other point is Jesus is God..before Abraham, I am, so why celebrate a birthday when He has always existed?

I think Red Sky was just using the Queen as an example, Lisa.

Toulouse · Dec 12, 2019

Red Sky at Morning said:
The Queen in the UK has her ”official birthday” and her actual birthday. I don’t have an issue celebrating the fact that Jesus was born on any day (even Dec 25th) even if He was born around the fall feasts...

Many theologians believe Jesus was born in the Summer. But none of this really matters, does it? What matters is that He Was born.

Toulouse · Dec 12, 2019

Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cahn explains when Jesus was born.

Artful Revealer · Dec 12, 2019

Lisa said:
Sorry, but who cares what the queen does? She isn’t God. With God we worship in spirit and in truth...so why then would we continue a lie? Is God honored when we celebrate lies? I don’t think He is. How then do you make disciples when you start out lying to people?

Sorry, but what exactly is the lie? None of the Churches, that includes the Catholic Church, have declared December the 25th or January 7th the official date of birth of Jesus. It's merely the date of the holiday where Christians come together in celebration and memory of the moment, whenever it may have been, when God entered the world.

Dalit · Dec 12, 2019

Toulouse said:
Firstly, what does "Imho" mean? Secondly, God doesn't need anything...he doesn't even need us. We celebrate His human birth to remind us of what He did for us. Simple.

imho = in my humble opinion

Artful Revealer · Dec 12, 2019

TokiEl said:
The criminal on the cross believed Jesus and so he was good to go to Paradise.

Criminals just have to believe Jesus to become citizens in the Kingdom of God... which logically is filled with criminals who believe Jesus. Or do criminals stop being criminals just because they believe Jesus ?

Somebody: I'm a criminal.
Jesus: Do you believe me ?

Somebody: Yes.
Jesus: Welcome.

Somebody: But i'm a criminal...?
Jesus: But you believe me...?

Somebody: Yes.
Jesus: Yes so it's all good friend.

Somebody: I believe.
Jesus: Believe you me.

Criminals believe Jesus Christ is some sort of Lord of criminals.

If the Lord can't distinguish genuine faith from convenient faith, He wouldn't be the Lord.

Artful Revealer · Dec 12, 2019

Infinityloop said:
As you should know (if you know anything at all about early Christian history), it was a derogatory word in it's original use and did not mean anything referring to a religious set of beliefs or practices (those took time, just like the Bible canon itself).

What difference does it make?

Lisa · Dec 13, 2019

Toulouse said:
Firstly, what does "Imho" mean? Secondly, God doesn't need anything...he doesn't even need us. We celebrate His human birth to remind us of what He did for us. Simple.

God wanted us. How does celebrating His birth remind you of what He did?

Toulouse said:
I think Red Sky was just using the Queen as an example, Lisa.

Bad example.

Lisa · Dec 13, 2019

Artful Revealer said:
Sorry, but what exactly is the lie? None of the Churches, that includes the Catholic Church, have declared December the 25th or January 7th the official date of birth of Jesus. It's merely the date of the holiday where Christians come together in celebration and memory of the moment, whenever it may have been, when God entered the world.

I bet most people think He was born on christmas day.

sickgirl15 · Dec 13, 2019

Infinityloop said:
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Greetings! You have made a very good point with your photos about “fake Christians.” These hypocrites claim to be “Christian” and to “follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, BUT absolutely hate homosexuals, and basically anyone else who dares to not live according to what they “think” is a “conservative” and “Godly” lifestyle, which is total bull crap. These people have SOME nerve to JUDGE total strangers, look down on them, try to “frighten” them (I really should say “us,” because I am a proud feminist, pansexual woman, and I am fully positive that these false, phony Christians would absolutely disapprove of my lifestyle; both past and present, but I could truly care less)...and manipulate us “sinners” that we are on our way to “hell” to burn for an eternity for living a lifestyle that goes “against god!” A person’s “sexuality,” or “sexual preference” is not a choice, and people should NOT be punished or judged for it. Jesus Christ loved everyone, and judged NO human being! He accepted ALL people. These hypocritical, and hateful “fake Christians” are unbelievably full of crap; anyone with half a brain can see that there is definitely something wrong with them for claiming to follow Christ but to preach hatred, non-tolerance, judgment, ignorance, sexism, misogyny, etc. to the world. Spreading this extremely negative and damaging hateful and harmful rhetoric is actually going AGAINST what Jesus and God wanted. They strived to create a peaceful and loving world where everyone gets along, not a hateful, judgmental, and violent environment like the “fake Christians” are working towards. THEY are the real definition of “evil.”

Lisa · Dec 13, 2019

@sickgirl15 in regards to your reply to @Infinityloop

Christians are told by a Jesus to share the Good News with people and part of sharing the Good News...that Jesus died for you is to let you know why Jesus had to do that and that’s why sin is brought up. Can’t understand His death without knowing about sin and about how God hates sin!

So it’s not about Christians judging people necessarily but telling people about their sin and homosexuality is sin. In fact God tells us...

Leviticus‬ ‭18:22‬ ‭
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Some people think that all they have to do is talk about the sin but it’s wrong to tell people about their sin and not give them Jesus...or the way out of sin.

You can believe that people won’t be punished for sin, but that’s incorrect..Jesus died for our sins so that we won’t be punished for them if we believe in Him. Otherwise there is a lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth believing that God won’t punish you. You’re believing a lie when you think this...

Spreading this extremely negative and damaging hateful and harmful rhetoric is actually going AGAINST what Jesus and God wanted. They strived to create a peaceful and loving world where everyone gets along, not a hateful, judgmental, and violent environment like the “fake Christians are working towards.

‭‭Thats wrong...God will punish sinners and He warns you He will so that you can turn from your sinful ways towards Him and live. That is why is Christians talk about sin and should also talk about God’s solution...Jesus.

It’s not a popular place to be that’s for sure. People end up being mad when they are told what God really says in His word, the Bible. Don’t want to be told that God is anything but a tolerant, loving God who doesn’t care what you do. What I think makes people so mad is that deep down they know the Christians are right and don’t like hearing what they know is true. If they can shut up the Christians maybe they can shut up their consciences too. It doesn’t work like that though..we all know right from wrong.

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