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Angels do not carry harps or have wings, they merely have a melodic sounding type of voice and they can fly. The very simple mentality of the people of the early biblical days; who had never seen anything on Earth flying, unless it had wings; led to the myth about angels:

The Way home or face The Fire
Before the Beginning
(of human-life on Earth).
1:1 Thousands of Earth years ago, far away, in THIS galaxy, on the Morning Star (Rev. 2:28), the
Lord Guardian Of Divinity, King (Malachi 1:14), Ruler and Guardian of the Universe (Sura 23:86),
put down a revolution led by Lucifer (Iblis)(Rev. 12:7-9).
1:2 The Morning Star (Venus) is inhabited by immortal “Beings of Light” (Spirit/Energy), whose
civilization, based on “pure” love, is zillions of years old.
1:3 Lucifer; now known here on Earth as Satan (the Opposer) the Devil (the Liar/Slanderer)(RED
dragon/serpent - Rev. 12:3, 9) from which the word D/evil is derived; because of his selfish and
arrogant nature, wanted to over-throw the Lord and to take His place, so that he could rule, and
inflict his own selfish opinion and evil desires on the heavens. He encouraged and misled many of
the other inhabitants of the Morning Star; whom people on Earth know by the name Angels; to join
him and he then started a war, against God (Rev. 12:7 & Isaiah 14:13-14).
1:4 Angels do not carry harps or have wings, they merely have a melodic sounding type of voice and
they can fly. The very simple mentality of the people of the early biblical days; who had never seen
anything on Earth flying, unless it had wings; led to the myth about angels.
 
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Hi.
The Bible teaches that God created all of the angels (the sons of God - Job 1:6).
Christ being the first created* by God - His oldest Son/Angel - Archangel Prince Michael.

* - Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Daniel 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the Scripture of Truth: and [there is] NONE that holdeth with me in these things, EXCEPT Michael your prince (Eno. 67:1; Rev. 5:3; 5; 9 & 12:7).

God also told Daniel that Michael (your prince) is the Messiah (the Prince) i.e. Christ.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the Commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


"Christ, the Spirit-Being that was placed in-side the body (IN-carnated not begotten as it has been misinterpreted) called Jesus, was not born 2000 years ago or even 2,000 millennia ago. He is, as he said, older than this planet and zillions of years old, being the first created by God (His oldest Son - Prince Michael - Dan. 10:21)." - http://jahtruth.net/xmas.htm


It says that God made the worlds by (or through) His oldest Son/Angel (The Archangel Prince Michael i.e., Christ) whom He appointed heir of all things:

Hebrews
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;

The faithful angels (sons of God) are the ones who always obey God and the Bible shows that they remain active within His Creation, which includes the earth and that God gives them tasks to perform that they then go and carry out for God.


A couple of examples from the Bible were referred to previously, of where God sent two angels to Lot to carry out a task and they then faithfully carried out His Commands. Another example is where God sent an Angel before Moses to keep them in the way (Exodus 23:20-21) and God cautioned Moses, that they were to obey the voice of the Angel that He sent and warned not to provoke him (the Angel).

The Bible teaches that the sons of God (the angels) were already present when God laid the foundations of the earth (which occurs in Genesis) and that the angels at that time sang together and shouted for joy when God laid the foundations of the earth:

King of kings' Bible, Job
38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
38:7 When the morning star's inhabitants sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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Yes, angels were probably present during the creation week but only as spectators and they praise God for His works, but no where in the Bible that says angels helped God in creating the universe and everything in it, God does NOT need help from the angels, He spoke everything into existence though the Word (Jesus Christ, not Michael the archangel).

John 1:1-3 - 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

John 1:14 - 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jesus Christ was not created by God like the angels, He is God's only begotten Son, He exist with the Father since eternity.

John 3:16 - 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Rev. 22:13 - 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

Nowhere in the Bible that says Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel, you are seriously confused.
 
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Axl888 said:
Yes, angels were probably present during the creation week
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The Bible says in Job 38 that the angels were present when God laid the foundations of the earth.
but only as spectators and they praise God for His works, but no where in the Bible that says angels helped God in creating the universe and everything in it,
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The Bible says that God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them.
God does NOT need help from the angels,
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This was neither said nor implied anywhere. The Bible does teach that God gives His angels tasks that He wants them to carry out and fulfill within His creation.
He spoke everything into existence though the Word
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Agreed. God says "Be" and then it is.
(Jesus Christ, not Michael the archangel).
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If you study the Bible carefully, then you can see that Christ is identified as Archangel Michael, God's oldest Son and the first Angel created by God.
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Jesus Christ was not created by God like the angels, He is God's only begotten Son, He exist with the Father since eternity.
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God created All, including Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that Christ is the firstborn of every creature.
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Nowhere in the Bible that says Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel, you are seriously confused.
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Despite most of the christian churches (but not all of them) being in denial of this (and instead basing their doctrine on catholicism) the Bible does actually teach it.
 
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The Trinity Delusion - Nr. 9:
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There are two ways to attempt to discredit something true.

The first port of call for a would-be deceiving group would be to simply oppose a truth and speak out against it.

The second (and this takes intelligence) is to gradually unveil the nefarious nature of your group, and make out like a given idea, doctrine or Bible translation had your official endorsement. #clever

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During World War II, over a year before the USA bombed Japan, Manly P. Hall considered how to make one world government:

"In the next ten years we will have to rebuild a world civilization. I hope for some psychologists and even philosophers to be among those appointed to administer this problem.... We will sit at a council table and figure how to iron out the troubles on the earth. ...no postwar program can be successful unless at least three and probably five generations of social conditioning goes with it."

Hall foresaw five generations of conditioning, starting in first grade, needed to "create a world capable of mental and emotional tolerance."

Now look what Hall claimed is "erroneous" thinking.

"To make things right we will have to undo much that is cherished error. The problem of revising the Bible shows how difficult it is to do this. For the last hundred years we* have been trying to get out an edition of the Bible that is reasonably correct; but nobody wants it. What`s wanted is the good old King James version, every jot and tittle of it, because most people are convinced that God dictated the Bible to King James in English."

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*i.e. why would the organisation that had such contempt for the KJV put out the “Masonic KJV”.
 
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Masonic lodges produce their own editions of various scriptures. Most Masons, as generic of most Western countries, are naturally Christian, so you will see them producing (and selling online too) special Masonic versions of various Bible translations.

I don't know why you would give so much credence to Manly P. Hall's opinions, he's stating his opinion, and it's a worthwhile one. How delusional would someone have to be to believe that the KJV was "dictated by God". He has a point which reflects on the utter stupidity within Protestant mentality. KJV is a translation, that's all it is. It's Shakespearean English, it has an old-English flavor but happens to be quite poorly translated all over the place. He has a point.
 
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No, I know what you (pasted).
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OK, to reiterate (an this is my non-pasted opinion ;-)

I believe that people or organisations wishing to oppose ideas come at the project in two major ways...

The first and most obvious approach would be to simply speak out against it.

The second seems to be the favoured model of accomplished deceivers and relies on the power of the Hegelian Dialectic. The idea is that if a repellent person is lazy or eats a lot of sweets, perhaps he might make others choose a healthy lifestyle instead (as illustrated by the kids program “Lazytown”:-


I only became aware of its spiritual application from reading Bill Schnoebalen, where as a follower of evil, his ascension involved getting into high office in the church as well as higher ranks in the coven. By getting to the top, you can pull more people away when you “fall”, even though in an alternate self you might be meeting in woods with twelve other like-minded witches.
 
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Red Sky at Morning said:
There are two ways to attempt to discredit something true.

The first port of call for a would-be deceiving group would be to simply oppose a truth and speak out against it.

The second (and this takes intelligence) is to gradually unveil the nefarious nature of your group, and make out like a given idea, doctrine or Bible translation had your official endorsement. #clever

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During World War II, over a year before the USA bombed Japan, Manly P. Hall considered how to make one world government:

"In the next ten years we will have to rebuild a world civilization. I hope for some psychologists and even philosophers to be among those appointed to administer this problem.... We will sit at a council table and figure how to iron out the troubles on the earth. ...no postwar program can be successful unless at least three and probably five generations of social conditioning goes with it."

Hall foresaw five generations of conditioning, starting in first grade, needed to "create a world capable of mental and emotional tolerance."

Now look what Hall claimed is "erroneous" thinking.

"To make things right we will have to undo much that is cherished error. The problem of revising the Bible shows how difficult it is to do this. For the last hundred years we* have been trying to get out an edition of the Bible that is reasonably correct; but nobody wants it. What`s wanted is the good old King James version, every jot and tittle of it, because most people are convinced that God dictated the Bible to King James in English."

source

*i.e. why would the organisation that had such contempt for the KJV put out the “Masonic KJV”.
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Pointing out by using scripture, that the scripture itself is clearly refuting a long held church doctrine, is not an attempt to discredit something true. It is simply pointing out that scripture refutes the doctrine, thereby proving the doctrine incorrect.

However, starting out by calling this process of pointing out how scripture refutes a doctrine "an attempt to discredit something true", is in fact an attempt to discredit that which is being pointed out (the scriptural reproof), based on an assumption, while at the same time trying to deflect from what is being pointed out, as well as trying to make it appear as if that was not what you were actually trying to do.
 
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bible_student said:
However, starting out by calling this process of pointing out how scripture refutes a doctrine "an attempt to discredit something true", is in fact an attempt to discredit that which is being pointed out (the scriptural reproof), based on an assumption, while at the same time trying to deflect from what is being pointed out
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Yes, they do do this a lot here. If they're skilled at anything, it's that.

One popular tactic is to quote Colossians 2:8 in response to a response you've made to a truth claim presented by the Christian (e.g. "Jesus, a man, is literally God" or "Genesis 1:26 is about the Trinity"). They have no arguments, no way to defend their apparent "truth" they present, so they deflect by either ad hominems ("You are the antichrist") or deflect by calling you 'philosophical' (as a pejorative) for caring about truth.

They have a default assumption that they hold views that are true, correct and cannot be questioned. Anything that doesn't stroke their own ego towards such a view is just brushed off or taken antagonistically. Truly this aphorism is always going to be the case "There is nothing new under the sun".
 
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After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
- John 17:1-5​
 
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