The General Distrust Of The Medical System

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We are indoctrinated into believing that the health system and its various alphabet agencies have our health and well being in mind while simultaneously capitalizing off our never ending ailments. So my intent with this thread is to expose the medical system and ascertain the truth of the medical system, it's institutions of education, individuals of note, and the constant abuse that occurs economically and that bleeds into many other facets of our lives.
 

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You have to do your own research, you can never just take what they say as gospel there are too many competing interests at stake and your own health is last on that list. It’s sad.

I’ve had too many horrific experiences with the medical system to feel otherwise unfortunately. Would you like me to list them?
 

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You have to do your own research, you can never just take what they say as gospel there are too many competing interests at stake and your own health is last on that list. It’s sad.

I’ve had too many horrific experiences with the medical system to feel otherwise unfortunately. Would you like me to list them?
Absolutely, anything from racism to economic discrimination are excellent. Even forced c sections are great places to start
 

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1) went to the ER in the middle of an MS attack, told them I was having an MS attack was told I didn’t know what I was talking about, they refused to give me an mri to even entertain the option shot me up with Ativan for three days to knock me out while arguing with my mom that I was insane and needed to be treated for mental health until she got the board of directors involved and they gave me the mri which showed three huge active lesions on my brain confirming it was an MS attack... by the time I left there I couldn’t walk or talk because they delayed treatment so long. Oh and I lost my job because the doctors failed to send in my medical leave paperwork in a timely fashion.

2. Same hospital treated a newborn baby for opiate withdrawal despite their being no evidence of opiates in his mother’s system or in his meconium. (I was assigned to investigate this case a month before my MS fiasco) baby was mixed race, mom was an immigrant.

3. My neurologist “fired” me when I refused the medications for MS after researching them and reading the side effect profiles. Coupled with the fact the UK won’t give them out at all because they aren’t effective. I haven’t had an MS attack in six and a half years since making that decision and all I’ve done was eat a little healthier and change from a highly stressful field to a moderately stressful field.

4. My son had an adverse reaction to the Ritalin his school forced me to put him on, went to an emergency appointment with the psych and was told to up his dose. Despite me telling them he was predisposed to mood disorders and despite the research stating that children with mood disorders given stimulants like and including Ritalin have adverse psychotic and violent reactions and all the linkages found with misprescibed meds and school shootings. So he was pulled off everything and we never went back to that school district or that doctor group ever again.

5. Back to hospital from first examples.. a little girl that was in the kindergarten class I worked in two years ago went in two times over a weekend with excruciating stomach pains. They sent her home without testing her saying it was nothing. The third time she went in same stomach pain and by that point her appendix had burst she was in acute sepsis and she died. She was black, 5 years old.

6. Six hundred dollar bill to glance in my husbands mouth and prescribe an antibiotic for a tooth ache that we knew was infected and needed an antibiotic from the door. We were there like ten minutes total, with the nurse or whatever for two and never even saw a doctor. Urgent cares don’t deal with teeth and it’s impossible to get seen immediately by a dentist out here.

The economic shit just runs through everything.. medicine shouldn’t be a for profit industry (and that doesn’t mean medical doctors/nurses shouldnt be well compensated, they should). But it’s a system of haves vs have nots. If you have it’s top notch care and if u have not then your lucky if you get any type of care at all and it shouldn’t be like that.
 

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1) went to the ER in the middle of an MS attack, told them I was having an MS attack was told I didn’t know what I was talking about, they refused to give me an mri to even entertain the option shot me up with Ativan for three days to knock me out while arguing with my mom that I was insane and needed to be treated for mental health until she got the board of directors involved and they gave me the mri which showed three huge active lesions on my brain confirming it was an MS attack... by the time I left there I couldn’t walk or talk because they delayed treatment so long. Oh and I lost my job because the doctors failed to send in my medical leave paperwork in a timely fashion.

2. Same hospital treated a newborn baby for opiate withdrawal despite their being no evidence of opiates in his mother’s system or in his meconium. (I was assigned to investigate this case a month before my MS fiasco) baby was mixed race, mom was an immigrant.

3. My neurologist “fired” me when I refused the medications for MS after researching them and reading the side effect profiles. Coupled with the fact the UK won’t give them out at all because they aren’t effective. I haven’t had an MS attack in six and a half years since making that decision and all I’ve done was eat a little healthier and change from a highly stressful field to a moderately stressful field.

4. My son had an adverse reaction to the Ritalin his school forced me to put him on, went to an emergency appointment with the psych and was told to up his dose. Despite me telling them he was predisposed to mood disorders and despite the research stating that children with mood disorders given stimulants like and including Ritalin have adverse psychotic and violent reactions and all the linkages found with misprescibed meds and school shootings. So he was pulled off everything and we never went back to that school district or that doctor group ever again.

5. Back to hospital from first examples.. a little girl that was in the kindergarten class I worked in two years ago went in two times over a weekend with excruciating stomach pains. They sent her home without testing her saying it was nothing. The third time she went in same stomach pain and by that point her appendix had burst she was in acute sepsis and she died. She was black, 5 years old.

6. Six hundred dollar bill to glance in my husbands mouth and prescribe an antibiotic for a tooth ache that we knew was infected and needed an antibiotic from the door. We were there like ten minutes total, with the nurse or whatever for two and never even saw a doctor. Urgent cares don’t deal with teeth and it’s impossible to get seen immediately by a dentist out here.

The economic shit just runs through everything.. medicine shouldn’t be a for profit industry (and that doesn’t mean medical doctors/nurses shouldnt be well compensated, they should). But it’s a system of haves vs have nots. If you have it’s top notch care and if u have not then your lucky if you get any type of care at all and it shouldn’t be like that.
I'm so sorry for what you've been through and have seen others, particularly children, go through. This is wrong.

The average person, if not an advocate for their own health care, needs to become one.

I've been put on all sorts of medications over the years, particularly when depressed, and have stopped taking things that doctors told me I should take because I know my own body and can tell when something is not right with it. Some doctors may say to increase the dosages of whatever and not give up so easily. I just don't listen to that and if I'm a rebel, so be it.

I've seen people with bipolar and depression just be drugged up zombies and be too weak to fight for their own health care. It saddens me. You have to be your own advocate because no one else will do it for you.

It bothers me that nutritional training is so weak for many in medical school. Nutritional interventions often solve a lot of problems or at least alleviate them.

It bothers me that people can get profiled, such as the obese person being treated differently. Not all obese people are lazy and I would venture to say that none of them are lazy. A friend of mine was shamed by a doctor for being pregnant and obese. Yes, it made for a high risk pregnancy, but how is it upholding the Hippocratic oath to do no harm when shaming a patient who comes to you in need? It's not.

Yet at the same time, I believe most doctors are doing the best they can in a system where pharmaceutical companies pressure them to promote drugs and more. It's the system that's more than a bit broken.
 

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I'm so sorry for what you've been through and have seen others, particularly children, go through. This is wrong.

The average person, if not an advocate for their own health care, needs to become one.

I've been put on all sorts of medications over the years, particularly when depressed, and have stopped taking things that doctors told me I should take because I know my own body and can tell when something is not right with it. Some doctors may say to increase the dosages of whatever and not give up so easily. I just don't listen to that and if I'm a rebel, so be it.

I've seen people with bipolar and depression just be drugged up zombies and be too weak to fight for their own health care. It saddens me. You have to be your own advocate because no one else will do it for you.

It bothers me that nutritional training is so weak for many in medical school. Nutritional interventions often solve a lot of problems or at least alleviate them.

It bothers me that people can get profiled, such as the obese person being treated differently. Not all obese people are lazy and I would venture to say that none of them are lazy. A friend of mine was shamed by a doctor for being pregnant and obese. Yes, it made for a high risk pregnancy, but how is it upholding the Hippocratic oath to do no harm when shaming a patient who comes to you in need? It's not.

Yet at the same time, I believe most doctors are doing the best they can in a system where pharmaceutical companies pressure them to promote drugs and more. It's the system that's more than a bit broken.
Western medicine isn't about healing or curing but rather following protocols decided upon by elite in these various institutions that then pass on information in the form of training rather

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=381005212491803&id=100017469821851&_rdr
 

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I am not sure this is the thread for it but I just wanted to say that I personally believe the recent adoption by the medical community of the “addiction is disease” model is for some nefarious purpose (such as selling treatments or infantilizing as a precursor to controlling the effected populations or something else entirely I haven’t thought of).
 

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I am not sure this is the thread for it but I just wanted to say that I personally believe the recent adoption by the medical community of the “addiction is disease” model is for some nefarious purpose (such as selling treatments or infantilizing as a precursor to controlling the effected populations or something else entirely I haven’t thought of).
The amount of doctors that ignore patients with serious pains just because they think that the patient is faking it for meds is ridiculous. On a different note, 2 different doctors i went to, ignored my pain and complaints for MONTHS because they thought I was faking it to skip school like wtf? I was later diagnosed with ovarian cysts by another doctor who pretty much guessed it by just looking at my face (tests still happened ofcourse). I went through hell of medicine and therapy.

Every profession has shitty people but some male doctors can really be awful when it comes to treating women. However, I do find male gynecologists nicer than female ones.
 

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When I was in middle school I went to the dr in crippling stomach pain, he sent me home said I had eaten too much candy. Turns out I had kidney stones. Most drs are quacks man... idk.

The addiction boogie man is getting out of control, by demonizing the drug itself as inherently leading to addiction/death people in legitimate pain are actually being denied necessary treatment and being treated like junkies. And at the same time people who are actually addicted are being brainwashed into believing they are powerless to deal with it and that they share no responsibility for their situation because it’s just a natural outcome of the chemistry of the drug. It isn’t. And I’m pretty sure that this recent shift isn’t actually for the well being of anyone as they are claiming.

Im sorry you had to go through that. It’s really unfair. But thankfully you found a decent doctor to help now.
 

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The amount of doctors that ignore patients with serious pains just because they think that the patient is faking it for meds is ridiculous. On a different note, 2 different doctors i went to, ignored my pain and complaints for MONTHS because they thought I was faking it to skip school like wtf?
Therapists are trash too. Mine pretended I was exagerating a traumatic experience I went through as a teen and still had PTSD from. The psychiatric world is also full of stigma. I guess you can't be taken seriously unless you're a middle aged white man.
 

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Therapists are trash too. Mine pretended I was exagerating a traumatic experience I went through as a teen and still had PTSD from. The psychiatric world is also full of stigma. I guess you can't be taken seriously unless you're a middle aged white man.
Therapists and Psychiatrists aren't the same thing. But yeah most therapists are trash and getting a good one makes all the difference in the world.
 

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I don't trust the medical system either. When I was a kid the doctor said I had asthma. But my personal experience suggests I was just a dirty kid. So I figure the doctors either couldn't smell me or rationalized 100 reasons not to recommend a bath.
 

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I don't trust the medical system either. When I was a kid the doctor said I had asthma. But my personal experience suggests I was just a dirty kid. So I figure the doctors either couldn't smell me or rationalized 100 reasons not to recommend a bath.
So you don't have asthma or you just presumed that the doctor was wrong?
 

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The addiction boogie man is getting out of control, by demonizing the drug itself as inherently leading to addiction
A family member had osteoarthritis. Over time ended up on 30mg MS Contin 3x/day plus some hydrocodone for breakthrough pain. Had surgery, recovered. Didn't need pain pills anymore and tapered off (medical marijuana helped a lot with that). Years later sees new Doctor. Dr. looks at history and asks--"How long were you addicted?". BULLSHIT. Physically dependent, yes. Addicted, no. The two are not the same...AT ALL. You would think a Dr. would know that.
 
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1) went to the ER in the middle of an MS attack, told them I was having an MS attack was told I didn’t know what I was talking about, they refused to give me an mri to even entertain the option shot me up with Ativan for three days to knock me out while arguing with my mom that I was insane and needed to be treated for mental health until she got the board of directors involved and they gave me the mri which showed three huge active lesions on my brain confirming it was an MS attack... by the time I left there I couldn’t walk or talk because they delayed treatment so long. Oh and I lost my job because the doctors failed to send in my medical leave paperwork in a timely fashion.

2. Same hospital treated a newborn baby for opiate withdrawal despite their being no evidence of opiates in his mother’s system or in his meconium. (I was assigned to investigate this case a month before my MS fiasco) baby was mixed race, mom was an immigrant.

3. My neurologist “fired” me when I refused the medications for MS after researching them and reading the side effect profiles. Coupled with the fact the UK won’t give them out at all because they aren’t effective. I haven’t had an MS attack in six and a half years since making that decision and all I’ve done was eat a little healthier and change from a highly stressful field to a moderately stressful field.

4. My son had an adverse reaction to the Ritalin his school forced me to put him on, went to an emergency appointment with the psych and was told to up his dose. Despite me telling them he was predisposed to mood disorders and despite the research stating that children with mood disorders given stimulants like and including Ritalin have adverse psychotic and violent reactions and all the linkages found with misprescibed meds and school shootings. So he was pulled off everything and we never went back to that school district or that doctor group ever again.

5. Back to hospital from first examples.. a little girl that was in the kindergarten class I worked in two years ago went in two times over a weekend with excruciating stomach pains. They sent her home without testing her saying it was nothing. The third time she went in same stomach pain and by that point her appendix had burst she was in acute sepsis and she died. She was black, 5 years old.

6. Six hundred dollar bill to glance in my husbands mouth and prescribe an antibiotic for a tooth ache that we knew was infected and needed an antibiotic from the door. We were there like ten minutes total, with the nurse or whatever for two and never even saw a doctor. Urgent cares don’t deal with teeth and it’s impossible to get seen immediately by a dentist out here.

The economic shit just runs through everything.. medicine shouldn’t be a for profit industry (and that doesn’t mean medical doctors/nurses shouldnt be well compensated, they should). But it’s a system of haves vs have nots. If you have it’s top notch care and if u have not then your lucky if you get any type of care at all and it shouldn’t be like that.
Whoa....that’s crazy!

#4 is one I also experienced almost exactly!

When my oldest son was in 4th grade, his teacher recommended he see a doctor for ADHD. At the time, that was very common, and I figured she knew what she was talking about, since she had been teaching for 2 decades.

Doc puts my son on a low dose of Adderall, my son had a horrible reaction to it, angry one minute & acting like a robot the next. Took him back to the doctor & explained what happened to which he literally said, “let’s double the dose”.

I didn’t even respond....I walked out and never went back, and pulled him out of that school as well.

Sometimes, I wonder how these people have licenses to prescribe anything.
 

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Whoa....that’s crazy!

#4 is one I also experienced almost exactly!

When my oldest son was in 4th grade, his teacher recommended he see a doctor for ADHD. At the time, that was very common, and I figured she knew what she was talking about, since she had been teaching for 2 decades.

Doc puts my son on a low dose of Adderall, my son had a horrible reaction to it, angry one minute & acting like a robot the next. Took him back to the doctor & explained what happened to which he literally said, “let’s double the dose”.

I didn’t even respond....I walked out and never went back, and pulled him out of that school as well.

Sometimes, I wonder how these people have licenses to prescribe anything.
Same exact thing. I left that drs office, threw the script in the trash and kept him home for two months detoxing him off it myself (thank god his pediatrician isn’t an idiot and wrote him out of school). He didn’t go back to that school either, I had the school send teachers to the house until the end of the year and homeschooled him the following year. I tried one more time with a public school and ended up pulling him again so now he’s in cyber.


I don’t know if they’re all idiots or if they’re all so ego driven they think they know everything and don’t want to admit what they did was wrong. Either way it’s no good. I found him a different doctor and spent months researching all the meds myself, specifically told this dr what I wanted him to prescribe and he did and my son has been stable ever since. Thank god.

He truly is bipolar, he never should have been put on stimulants but it’s like these schools hold a gun to your head - either adhd or he’s out of here - and with truancy laws the way they are it’s scary to go against them. The whole establishment has you constantly second guessing yourself as a parent if your child is even slightly variant from the norm. It’s sad.

I don’t think I will ever put my daughter in school after what I went through with my son.
 
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When I was in middle school I went to the dr in crippling stomach pain, he sent me home said I had eaten too much candy. Turns out I had kidney stones. Most drs are quacks man... idk.

The addiction boogie man is getting out of control, by demonizing the drug itself as inherently leading to addiction/death people in legitimate pain are actually being denied necessary treatment and being treated like junkies. And at the same time people who are actually addicted are being brainwashed into believing they are powerless to deal with it and that they share no responsibility for their situation because it’s just a natural outcome of the chemistry of the drug. It isn’t. And I’m pretty sure that this recent shift isn’t actually for the well being of anyone as they are claiming.

Im sorry you had to go through that. It’s really unfair. But thankfully you found a decent doctor to help now.

Yes, I completely agree about the doctors’ treatment of patients in pain.

My elderly mother (who I brought to live with me because now she cannot care for herself) has Trigeminal Neuralgia, one of THE most painful conditions known to man. So much so, doctors have dubbed it “The suicide disease” because so many patients take their own life due to the excruciating facial pain it causes.

The new CDC Guidelines regarding opioid prescribing is COMPLETELY asinine.

They recently cut her pain medications down to the 30 mmg morphine equivalent (or whatever it’s called) which leaves her with only enough medication to control her pain for 12 hours a day, so she’s left writhing in pain in bed for the other 12.

It pisses me off, because they KNOW she is in true physical pain yet they refuse to give her the meds she needs to have ANY quality of life.

I have fought her doctors tooth & nail on it, but they are unrelenting. They are only concerned about the so-called opioid epidemic, which has NOTHING to do with legitimate chronic pain patients who are using their meds responsibly & legally & have been stable on long-term opiates for years and even decades.

Chronic pain Patients have been committing suicide because they cannot get the pain treatment they desperately need.

I can’t help but wonder if that isn’t the goal. Smh.
 

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One rotten apple spoils the broth. Painkillers have started to be abused by people and since there are no proper laws in place, the doctors have to control the prescription. If the laws weren't trash, this wouldn't have been an issue. Pointing fingers at the wrong people does nothing.

This is like the antibiotic-resistant bacteria problem. People are quick to bandwagon on the prescriptions but at the end of the day, the fact is that the whole resistance thing is happening because people don't listen to the doctor's advice.
If a doctor says that you take two pills a day at a specific time, you take two fucking pills a day at that specific time. You don't do that and congratulations now you've given the bacteria a chance to develop resistance.
 
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One rotten apple spoils the broth. Painkillers have started to be abused by people and since there are no proper laws in place, the doctors have to control the prescription. If the laws weren't trash, this wouldn't have been an issue. Pointing fingers at the wrong people does nothing.

This is like the antibiotic-resistant bacteria problem. People are quick to bandwagon on the prescriptions but at the end of the day, the fact is that the whole resistance thing is happening because people don't listen to the doctor's advice.
If a doctor says that you take two pills a day at a specific time, you take two fucking pills a day at that specific time. You don't do that and congratulations now you've given the bacteria a chance to develop resistance.
People who truly have chronic pain aren’t typically going to abuse them.

The opioid epidemic came about because the CDC doesn’t differentiate between overdoses/deaths caused by illegal street narcotics like heroin, Chinese-made illicit Fentanyl VS. legitimate, doctor-prescribed analgesics that are taken as prescribed, under a doctor’s care.

Two completely different scenarios & users and yet, the death rates & overdoses come almost exclusively from NON-chronic pain patients who are using street drugs like heroin recreationally, but the statistics don’t differentiate or reflect that.... they are lumped together as one single statistic, making it appear that pain patients with legally prescribed opioids who ARE following their doctor’s orders, and ARE compliant in using their medications properly (which can be proven by all the rules patients must follow in their pain contract just to remain a patient & receive treatment like: must use one pharmacy, can only receive pain meds from one doctor, pill counts, random urine screens, etc.)

So the legit chronic pain patients who ARE following their doctor’s orders are getting penalized by the addicts that use recreationally .
https://thewaronchronicpainpatients.com/
 
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