“The Bible was purposely edited and written to conform to the prophecy.”

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A bold claim by @Colonel Valerio caught my attention. Was the Bible really purposely edited and written to conform to the prophecy? What does the evidence suggest?
The evidence is in rebirth for one and the other is the prophecies about Israel that have come true in Ezekiel, Isiah, and other prophets that we have seen some fulfilled in our life time. Plus, I have had some teachings directly from The Father.
 

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The ultimate fundamentalist failsafe.

“We know the Bible makes zero sense, unless you truly believe”

Don’t you think I’ve tried since I was like was 6? Do you have any idea how bad I used to feel for not feeling anything, for thinking that it was ridiculous? That something was wrong me? I’ve prayed and prayed but nothing happens and I got tired of talking myself. I won’t waste my precious love on something that doesn’t reciprocate.


Eventually I decided I won’t be a slave to a god that doesn’t exist.
That works for now, I guess. From what I've learned, God picks people like you for Great Things, that can be credited to no one but Himself. Take Paul, for instance.

I have a good friend who told me, once, we serve an 11th hour God--

I’ve prayed and prayed ...

Time is a construct-- you will be contacted.
 

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The ultimate fundamentalist failsafe.

“We know the Bible makes zero sense, unless you truly believe”

Don’t you think I’ve tried since I was like was 6? Do you have any idea how bad I used to feel for not feeling anything, for thinking that it was ridiculous? That something was wrong me? I’ve prayed and prayed but nothing happens and I got tired of talking myself. I won’t waste my precious love on something that doesn’t reciprocate.


Eventually I decided I won’t be a slave to a god that doesn’t exist.
You can't make yourself believe. Faith is a gift from God. From what you type you have never believed in the Christian God, despite part of you wanting to....it is not an accusation, it is an observation.

I experienced your frustrating period of almost unbelief for quite a few years. I lost all sense of presence of God, got nothing from church or fellowship, it all felt completely fake. I walked away completely from it for years.

During that time I let myself read and watch anything that caught my fancy, especially the forbidden. The more I did that the more I convinced myself God didn't really exist. It was years later hearing a short Gospel message in the car park of a shopping centre that made me decide to reinvestigate the Gospel again.

A lot of atheists seem to think a primary school-level of thinking is enough to dismiss Christianity.
1. 6 year old's reasoning level is not the same as an adult's. You wouldn't understand algebra at 6, why did you think you understood the bible?
2. Satan doesn't have a "deceive only after age 18" policy.
He went for you young. He hates mankind and he hates you. He wants to keep you from Jesus. He wants you to be in hell with him forever.

I pray that God is merciful to you and lets you believe in Jesus, doing whatever is needed to treat your unbelief.
 

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I pray that God is merciful to you and lets you believe in Jesus, doing whatever is needed to treat your unbelief.
I think this is the most honest prayer right here:

Mark 9:24 King James Version (KJV)

24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
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I've prayed this one a lot.

And I've wandered from the faith. Hell, even recently with my weird fascination with fringe movements (aka cults). My mom was in the Word of Faith charismatic (charismania) for years until she got disillusioned and hasn't set foot in a church for 25 years. I got attracted to Word of Faith because I saw how into it she got, but got disillusioned, of course. I saw its rebirth or reproduction with the mystical miracle movement which resulted in New Apostolic Reformation, which I was in for 11 years total. I eased into it via music like International House of Prayer music, Bethel music and Hillsong (yes, Christians, Hillsong is corrupted, too). Nevermind the Tyler Deaton grooming cult at IHOP which IHOP explained away. I finally researched and looked up all of this stuff 2 years ago, yet I still fell for another cult. I hate to say it, but I believe Hebrew Roots is a cult, too.

It's a wonder I still have faith in God. Honestly, I don't know why I would except for Him. I've lost faith in His people or rather those who call themselves His people and yet fleece the flock and lead them astray, but I can't just jettison Him. He is not His so-called people.

I've been hanging on by a thin thread lately. I just have to remember that not everyone who claims to know Him does.

Plus my atheist friend was honestly worried that I was in a cult with the NAR homechurch and she was dead right. God bless her. No one else seemed to care or tell me the truth.

Anyway, all this just to say that I've had doubt and unbelief and I believe that even that can make one's faith stronger. God is big enough to handle our questions, hopes and fears.
 

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Indeed... young is where the Enemy gets most everyone.

I pray that God is merciful to you and lets you believe in Jesus, doing whatever is needed to treat your unbelief.
This... agreed.

If anyone remembers the very end of Lewis' Screwtape Letters, though, and the dawning Realization that came to the young man...

I don't think one has to meet his Maker to get there, but in that (sublime and baffling) instant, you're left, wondering-- How could I have ever doubted... ?

The wonder of it all :)
 

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@Red Sky at Morning, whatever you do, don't go up to Oxford University to study the Bible. They might teach, or try to teach, such technical terms as ...

"vaticinium ex eventu
The term applied to a passage in the prophets or the gospels which has the form of a prediction but is in fact written in the knowledge of the event having occurred (e.g. probably Luke 21: 20)."
Oxford Biblical Studies

Do note, however, that, even with such a fancy, descriptive term and tool in their shed, they cannot say for certain when and where it was used and must qualify their guess by saying "probably." Thus, they really prove nothing, even though they do it with a fine British accent :cool:.
 

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@Red Sky at Morning, whatever you do, don't go up to Oxford University to study the Bible. They might teach, or try to teach, such technical terms as ...

"vaticinium ex eventu

The term applied to a passage in the prophets or the gospels which has the form of a prediction but is in fact written in the knowledge of the event having occurred (e.g. probably Luke 21: 20)."


Do note, however, that, even with such a fancy, descriptive term and tool in their shed, they cannot say for certain when and where it was used and must qualify their guess by saying "probably." Thus, they really prove nothing, even though they do it with a fine British accent :cool:.
Lectio difficilior potior

Unbelief can present itself in the most sophisticated and high falutin’ language, but it’s still the same old thing ;-)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectio_difficilior_potior
 

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A bold claim by @Colonel Valerio caught my attention. Was the Bible really purposely edited and written to conform to the prophecy? What does the evidence suggest?
Depends what you want to believe and what is reasonable. We live in a world full of lies and evil. Anything that will taint and stain God's trusty record will be made available to anyone. It's up to you if you want to believe God is a liar. Ask yourself, who is trustworthy, God or the devil? You know that ANYONE that is not evil will have their reputation damaged by sick people. It's like the evil one wants to paint Everyone was bad, like human beings are not capable of having good hearts.

Who wants you to live without hope? God or the devil?
 

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People who truly study the Bible aren't concerned by these questions. The integrity of message and design blows your mind, if you let it. But if you misunderstand part of it, and then dismiss all of it, you're missing out, big time.

My own mother has always had issues with God, because in the Old Testament, he gave commands to kill every living thing in some areas of the promised land, including women and children. What my mom didn't learn, but what becomes clear through study, is that these were not just regular innocent folk that God wanted to commit genocide on, but were demonic hybrids of angels and humans. They aren't human, and won't be resurrected. They are solely for the purpose of corrupting human DNA and messing with God's plan. If more churches correctly taught about nephilim and rephaim, there would be less people like my mom who have these grudges against God.
 
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It is the loneliness of it all and all you can do is keep going or not. I don't have the desire to go to church, if I want to be prayed for I know who I can ask, if I need help I know who to ask but I don't find spiritual comfort being around others. I don't see the need to correct people, judge them, even talking about people behind their backs gets tiring. I don't have the energy or the mentality for a lot of it anymore. I hate going to work and getting sucked into the B.S.

I hate talking to people and having to read or hear their pettiness, their projected insecurities, the nastiness no matter how it's cloaked. I don't know people and I don't know their situations, I don't love everyone but I don't have the wherewithal to start or participate in it anymore. When I do I get tired thinking back on it wishing I wouldn't have been present for the crap.

I don't usually have anything nice to say but I have less to say than I have before. I don't understand how others don't get tired of it all and just keep perpetuating the same stuff I'm coming to hate more and more. I'd actually rather be lonely in my garden than deal with people and their love for being nasty. People have lost how to communicate and treat others and it's reprehensible.
What kind of garden do you have?

Any tasty edibles or fragrant flowers?
 

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What kind of garden do you have?

Any tasty edibles or fragrant flowers?
I have three indoor gardens; cannabis of several varieties, lettuces/greens, and fruiting plants like tomatoes/squash. I basically grow my more finicky and more often eaten vegetables indoors with hydroponics and my medicine in a separate space. Everything is hydroponic indoor and it is how I start my outdoor crops.

I also have an outdoor garden with my less finicky vegetables, flowers, citronella, shrubbery, and some fruit trees I started indoors. About 80% of my food I grow and the rest comes from a butcher.

I'm trying to source carnivorous plants at the moment but I've been getting into bio dynamic agriculture and organic hydroponics so it's less of a priority but I'll have some by the end of the year lol. I'm also planning to get bees and chickens for food/compost
 

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I have three indoor gardens; cannabis of several varieties, lettuces/greens, and fruiting plants like tomatoes/squash. I basically grow my more finicky and more often eaten vegetables indoors with hydroponics and my medicine in a separate space. Everything is hydroponic indoor and it is how I start my outdoor crops.

I also have an outdoor garden with my less finicky vegetables, flowers, citronella, shrubbery, and some fruit trees I started indoors. About 80% of my food I grow and the rest comes from a butcher.

I'm trying to source carnivorous plants at the moment but I've been getting into bio dynamic agriculture and organic hydroponics so it's less of a priority but I'll have some by the end of the year lol. I'm also planning to get bees and chickens for food/compost
Wow. Thats impressive.
 
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I have three indoor gardens; cannabis of several varieties, lettuces/greens, and fruiting plants like tomatoes/squash. I basically grow my more finicky and more often eaten vegetables indoors with hydroponics and my medicine in a separate space. Everything is hydroponic indoor and it is how I start my outdoor crops.

I also have an outdoor garden with my less finicky vegetables, flowers, citronella, shrubbery, and some fruit trees I started indoors. About 80% of my food I grow and the rest comes from a butcher.

I'm trying to source carnivorous plants at the moment but I've been getting into bio dynamic agriculture and organic hydroponics so it's less of a priority but I'll have some by the end of the year lol. I'm also planning to get bees and chickens for food/compost
That’s impressive, Damien.

I had no idea you were such an avid gardener!

I try to grow as much of our produce as possible, but it’s hard living in North Texas where our summers are sweltering and even tomatoes get limp with daily watering......indoor hydroponics would be a great solution.

Right now, we’ve got “Tall telephone” peas, blueberries, alpine strawberries, potatoes, page mandarins, “Tiny Tim” salad tomatoes, wild (aka invasive ;)) blackberries, nasturtiums for salads and champagne grapes.

This year, I also decided to try my hand at pomegranates, which we are starting from seed.

The alpine strawberries & peas are beginning to falter due to the heat (It’s reaching 90 degrees during the day).

How do you find the space to grow so much indoors?

My youngest son has taken a liking to carnivorous plants....mostly Venus fly traps but also those really big pitcher plants that could probably consume a mouse! The carnivorous plants have been a challenge for us, though...we had nothing but false starts, as the little tubers are quite finicky about water & light requirements and will only take rainwater or distilled, so it’s been a learning process, to say the least.

I’ve been considering trying out edible landscaping in the front of our house, since many herbs & edibles can be really beautiful specimen plants, as well.

With water conservation going on in the hot summer, and since we live on less than a third of an acre, it’s hard for me to justify keeping all the plants watered daily unless they are feeding us.

We should do a gardening thread on here, if there isn’t one already.
 

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That’s impressive, Damien.

Thanks

I had no idea you were such an avid gardener!

I started growing weed because of financial hardship and at some point it only made sense to grow my own food.

I try to grow as much of our produce as possible, but it’s hard living in North Texas where our summers are sweltering and even tomatoes get limp with daily watering......indoor hydroponics would be a great solution.

A decently sized room that can hold multiple 4x4 or 8x4 grow tents is best with ventilation that extracts hot air from the house and pulls in fresh air to the room. An ebb and flow/flood and drain saves the most water combined with high end LED lights from company's like Horticulture Lighting Group you end up spending more initially but saving more in the long game.

Right now, we’ve got “Tall telephone” peas, blueberries, alpine strawberries, potatoes, page mandarins, “Tiny Tim” salad tomatoes, wild (aka invasive ;)) blackberries, nasturtiums for salads and champagne grapes.

This year, I also decided to try my hand at pomegranates, which we are starting from seed.

I have cherry tomatoes, watermelon, Japanese peppers, potatoes, carrots, and more roots than fruiting plants at the moment outside because the heat is so high.

The alpine strawberries & peas are beginning to falter due to the heat (It’s reaching 90 degrees during the day).

How do you find the space to grow so much indoors?

Spare room, garage, big closet. Get grow tents or even build ebb and flow tables for vegetables that do better in 60-75f climates.

My youngest son has taken a liking to carnivorous plants....mostly Venus fly traps but also those really big pitcher plants that could probably consume a mouse! The carnivorous plants have been a challenge for us, though...we had nothing but false starts, as the little tubers are quite finicky about water & light requirements and will only take rainwater or distilled, so it’s been a learning process, to say the least.

I have read enough to know that I'll probably buy a reverse osmosis system before I go further lol.

I’ve been considering trying out edible landscaping in the front of our house, since many herbs & edibles can be really beautiful specimen plants, as well.

Spinach is gorgeous when it flowers.

With water conservation going on in the hot summer, and since we live on less than a third of an acre, it’s hard for me to justify keeping all the plants watered daily unless they are feeding us.

Outdoor irrigation with mulch/rocks will help slow evaporation and be more efficient. I'm on several acres but the majority of my stuff is indoor because I don't like dealing with an environment I can't control.

We should do a gardening thread on here, if there isn’t one already.
 

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The fact that there are multiple versions of the bible right now where verses and chapters are missing, added or changed should be proof enough. If there can be addition now, then there could be addition then and vice versa.
 

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The fact that there are multiple versions of the bible right now where verses and chapters are missing, added or changed should be proof enough. If there can be addition now, then there could be addition then and vice versa.
An interesting investigation for anyone who has wondered about the claims made by @manama above...

https://www.vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-critical-text-criticized.3461/

https://www.vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-best-six-hours-i-ever-invested.3486/

And

https://www.vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/is-the-codex-sinaiticus-authentic.5707/
 
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