Love Yourself Agenda.

neptunejoo · Feb 21, 2019

At first, this sounds really good and idealistic. We often find ourselves being treated like doormat and without respect. That's why the phrase is powerful. However, considering known celebrities like Ariana Grande (one song comes in mind about this theme is the song Thank You, Next) or course BTS album Love Yourself. Japanese band, Kattun also had song with the same title years back then for the serial TV and the dance sequence full of freemanson symbolism.

Personaly, in my religion: it is never about love yourself. It is about the love for God and God's creatures.

And loving yourself, for me derived from loving your own Ego, in Arabic called nafs.

What do you think about this subject? And do you know who promotes the agenda? I know Tumblr is full of the advice to love yourself. Even I think the basic LGBT movement, is fundamentally from this mindset. Especially, the gender-more-than-two-types nonsense.

neptunejoo · Feb 21, 2019

TeresaP7 said:
This has kind of been a topic for me lately because of how prevelant it is among women. I mean, it is REALLY prevalent among women, nauseatingly so. I believe it is a driving force behind lgbt and pro-choice as well.

I always have a book list a mile long but one on my list is called You Who by Rachel Jancovic and it addresses this from a Biblical perspective, that it is not about us but about Christ. I realize you may not be coming at it from a Christian perspective, but just wanted to say I see it and recognize the falseness of it.

There are a lot of false narratives surrounding this, and I don’t think it was a thing not too many years ago. So many have made little gods of themselves and narcissism is epidemic!! The meme world is full of these love yourself ideas, again, particularly aimed at women.

I am not coming from Christian perspective but I think it is universal wisdom. Because I learn also in Buddhism, there is also teaching of detachment from the Self, from lust, greed.

I think our ancestors knew how dangerous it is to follow our own caprice. And now it is celebrated. The sickness of the soul... We must have self control to gain greater good. Now everything is advertised as if it is good thing to lose control, to live in the moment, to aka LOVE YOURSELVES.

DesertRose · Feb 21, 2019

neptunejoo said:
I think our ancestors knew how dangerous it is to follow our own caprice. And now it is celebrated. The sickness of the soul... We must have self control to gain greater good. Now everything is advertised as if it is good thing to lose control, to live in the moment, to aka LOVE YOURSELVES.

This is the Satanic mindset especially in regards to unlawful desires. Many do not understand that they promote to others worship of the self not the entity called satan according to Mark Passio (self described ex-satanist n.b although I am pretty sure the hardcore ones worship/obey him)

The four central tenets they promote are (Below from the Passio video on Right vs Wrong):

" Satanic ideology was in existence long before it became widely known as a clothing style.
The 4 Pillars of Satanism:
1. Survival Self-preservation is the top priority, e.g. "I'm alive! to hell with the rest of you!"
2. Moral Relativism There is no such thing as objective Right and Wrong, it's all relative, e.g. "if it’s good for ME, it’s GOOD, if it’s bad for ME, it’s BAD."
3. Social Darwinism Darwin's natural selection theory superimposed on modern Human societies. it basically means: survival of the fittest under industrial capitalism, e.g. "if you can't trick the system and make millions, #*** you, eat **** and die! or be a slave."
4. Eugenics The belief and practice of 'improving' the genetic quality of the Human population, by means of population control (killing people), and choosing who can procreate and who can't........"

Moral relativism is diametrically opposed to other paths especially Islam. (Below are two apt quotes)

Al-Ghazali (Islamic scholar) along with others warned about this because the self can also be a false idol.
"Desires make slaves out of kings and patience makes kings out of slaves."

"For, according to the teachings of Islam, moral knowledge automatically forces moral responsibility upon man. A mere Platonic discernment between Right and Wrong, without the urge to promote Right and to destroy Wrong, is a gross immorality in itself, for morality lives and dies with the human endeavor to establish its victory upon earth."
Muhammad Asad

Never have I dealt with anything more difficult than my own soul, which sometimes helps me and sometimes opposes me.
Al-Ghazali

On a side note, I once spoke to an individual whom I think was a satanist and this person kept explaining how sociopaths are not responsible for their actions hence they should not be punished or condemned even if they brutalize innocents.

Zero justice for victims was his worldview

. Darwinian and satanic.
Sociopaths and psychopaths need to be disposed of based on their crimes or contained away from the general population.

Dalit · Feb 21, 2019

Yeah, love yourself is an oxymoron. Of course, you love yourself naturally, making sure you eat and drink and provide for your family, etc. But remember the self-esteem movement of the 80s? And now everyone gets a trophy for participation. It's gotten worse, hasn't it?

I used to think i had low self-esteem but it was really low God-esteem. When i focus on Him, i don't really matter and the petty things of life go to the background.

DesertRose · Feb 21, 2019

Dalit said:
When i focus on Him, i don't really matter and the petty things of life go to the background.

So true that is being God centric not ego or self centric.

Mr.Anderson · Feb 21, 2019

thankfully Desert Rose did a great job including the satanism topics i was about to post

I'd like to add my humble opinion on the post subject. I don't see it as a "love yourself agenda", as far as I see it's part of the feminist movement. At least here it's all about breaking gender roles, beauty standards and et cetera and this creates feminist self depreciative people that make themselves ugly on purpose and expect you to find this awesome and who were former normal people. There is even a thing called "antes e depois da federal" that people change for worse after they enter a federal university.

even if you guys can't speak portuguese this google search results speak for themselves.

Etagloc · Feb 21, 2019

Eh.... I do think I'm a fanatical egomaniac. And I think people who know me (know me in rl) would say so... "he's a nice guy and reads a lot... but yes he is definitely a fanatical egomaniac".

I think you have to be sort of insane. The world is insane so I figure you have to be sort of insane along with it.

I mean look at a guy who is willing to go against his own self-interests and sacrifice his own self for the advancement of whatever his cause is..... I think he must be sort of crazy.... he must be sort be sort of crazy and he is not following the same rules as the masses who can be controlled by carrot and stick..... and he must be a fanatical egomaniac imo and he must be firmly convinced he is right.... and this is why he is willing to go against the sinister elite on one hand and is willing to go against the cattle-like NPC masses on the other hand....

therefore I am not exactly opposed to being a fanatical egomaniac and I do consider myself a sort of fanatical egomaniac.... and I don't apologize about it or think its wrong.... because going against the crowd means you have to be a fanatical egomaniac to some degree..... otherwise you would have no ability to go against the masses and masses of people who want to pull you down to NPC mediocrity

Dalit · Feb 21, 2019

Etagloc said:
Eh.... I do think I'm a fanatical egomaniac. And I think people who know me (know me in rl) would say so... "he's a nice guy and reads a lot... but yes he is definitely a fanatical egomaniac".

I think you have to be sort of insane. The world is insane so I figure you have to be sort of insane along with it.

I mean look at a guy who is willing to go against his own self-interests and sacrifice his own self for the advancement of whatever his cause is..... I think he must be sort of crazy.... he must be sort be sort of crazy and he is not following the same rules as the masses who can be controlled by carrot and stick..... and he must be a fanatical egomaniac imo and he must be firmly convinced he is right.... and this is why he is willing to go against the sinister elite on one hand and is willing to go against the cattle-like NPC masses on the other hand....

therefore I am not exactly opposed to being a fanatical egomaniac and I do consider myself a sort of fanatical egomaniac.... and I don't apologize about it or think its wrong.... because going against the crowd means you have to be a fanatical egomaniac to some degree..... otherwise you would have no ability to go against the masses and masses of people who want to pull you down to NPC mediocrity

I respect your honesty in this.

neptunejoo · Feb 21, 2019

Etagloc said:
Eh.... I do think I'm a fanatical egomaniac. And I think people who know me (know me in rl) would say so... "he's a nice guy and reads a lot... but yes he is definitely a fanatical egomaniac".

I think you have to be sort of insane. The world is insane so I figure you have to be sort of insane along with it.

I mean look at a guy who is willing to go against his own self-interests and sacrifice his own self for the advancement of whatever his cause is..... I think he must be sort of crazy.... he must be sort be sort of crazy and he is not following the same rules as the masses who can be controlled by carrot and stick..... and he must be a fanatical egomaniac imo and he must be firmly convinced he is right.... and this is why he is willing to go against the sinister elite on one hand and is willing to go against the cattle-like NPC masses on the other hand....

therefore I am not exactly opposed to being a fanatical egomaniac and I do consider myself a sort of fanatical egomaniac.... and I don't apologize about it or think its wrong.... because going against the crowd means you have to be a fanatical egomaniac to some degree..... otherwise you would have no ability to go against the masses and masses of people who want to pull you down to NPC mediocrity

Sir, appreciate your honesty. But in my opinion, if people around you are corrupted and you begin to act like one because it is justified. There will be not much change in society.

I do believe people with integrity can set an example, 'you cheat me but I won't do that toyou because I find a way to make things better than for us.'

- or like 'they kill your cousin and you kill their cousin - when will the bloodshed end?'

the world is crazy and it is hard to stay sane. Although I don't think sacrifices, going against ones interest for the collective good are the same of crazy.

neptunejoo · Feb 21, 2019

Mr.Anderson said:
thankfully Desert Rose did a great job including the satanism topics i was about to post

I'd like to add my humble opinion on the post subject. I don't see it as a "love yourself agenda", as far as I see it's part of the feminist movement. At least here it's all about breaking gender roles, beauty standards and et cetera and this creates feminist self depreciative people that make themselves ugly on purpose and expect you to find this awesome and who were former normal people. There is even a thing called "antes e depois da federal" that people change for worse after they enter a federal university.

even if you guys can't speak portuguese this google search results speak for themselves.

The way I see it, feminism also can be the tool for this. Whatever it is. I can correlate the love yourself movement to capitalism. Because when you love your self, why don't you buy a pair of expensive shoes or a fancy car. To keep people consume things they don't actually need.

neptunejoo · Feb 21, 2019

Dalit said:
I used to think i had low self-esteem but it was really low God-esteem. When i focus on Him, i don't really matter and the petty things of life go to the background.

Low God-esteem, that's interesting. And true. I used to think the same but now I realize I was not being grateful enough and I didn't recognize my Creator and I didn't know what He wants from me.

Now when I slowly learn the higher purpose, life do function in the background.

neptunejoo · Feb 21, 2019

DesertRose said:
This is the Satanic mindset especially in regards to unlawful desires. Many do not understand that they promote to others worship of the self not the entity called satan according to Mark Passio (self described ex-satanist n.b although I am pretty sure the hardcore ones worship/obey him)

The four central tenets they promote are (Below from the Passio video on Right vs Wrong):

" Satanic ideology was in existence long before it became widely known as a clothing style.
The 4 Pillars of Satanism:
1. Survival Self-preservation is the top priority, e.g. "I'm alive! to hell with the rest of you!"
2. Moral Relativism There is no such thing as objective Right and Wrong, it's all relative, e.g. "if it’s good for ME, it’s GOOD, if it’s bad for ME, it’s BAD."
3. Social Darwinism Darwin's natural selection theory superimposed on modern Human societies. it basically means: survival of the fittest under industrial capitalism, e.g. "if you can't trick the system and make millions, #*** you, eat **** and die! or be a slave."
4. Eugenics The belief and practice of 'improving' the genetic quality of the Human population, by means of population control (killing people), and choosing who can procreate and who can't........"

Moral relativism is diametrically opposed to other paths especially Islam. (Below are two apt quotes)

Al-Ghazali (Islamic scholar) along with others warned about this because the self can also be a false idol.
"Desires make slaves out of kings and patience makes kings out of slaves."

"For, according to the teachings of Islam, moral knowledge automatically forces moral responsibility upon man. A mere Platonic discernment between Right and Wrong, without the urge to promote Right and to destroy Wrong, is a gross immorality in itself, for morality lives and dies with the human endeavor to establish its victory upon earth."
Muhammad Asad

Never have I dealt with anything more difficult than my own soul, which sometimes helps me and sometimes opposes me.
Al-Ghazali

On a side note, I once spoke to an individual whom I think was a satanist and this person kept explaining how sociopaths are not responsible for their actions hence they should not be punished or condemned even if they brutalize innocents.
Zero justice for victims was his worldview . Darwinian and satanic.
Sociopaths and psychopaths need to be disposed of based on their crimes or contained away from the general population.

Since you brought up the subject, I wonder how to deal with 'moral relativism'?

I had huge fight with my friend because of this. She thought good or bad is relative and would not vouch for that.

I came across as fanatic - branwashed and extremist if I started talking about morality especially in religious sense.

I do respect people choices and I do understand people do what they do because of their upbringings, their past and how people treat them.

To give you context;
We were eating our dinner and we watched a kid hanging about the rod. I told her I would tell the kid, 'if he keeps doing that he will fall and hurt himself' and she said, "don't bother. People learn from process."

it irks me. If I witness falsehood and corruption I will address it. But if they don't listen, I will leave them alone.

But she argued, she'd rather fall into the cliff then she learned.

I don't want to watch her fall because I care.

Now, the moral relativism if this is good for her - to learn this way, I should just leave it. But somehow I cannot. And if I keep nagging her that a head of the road, it's gonna be a cliff, i will lose her.

Dalit · Feb 21, 2019

neptunejoo said:
To give you context;
We were eating our dinner and we watched a kid hanging about the rod. I told her I would tell the kid, 'if he keeps doing that he will fall and hurt himself' and she said, "don't bother. People learn from process."

I agree with you. It sounds like the mistaken idea about Montessori schools that I heard about years ago, that they're the types of schools that would let kids burn their hands on the stovetop burners so they would learn not to touch hot things. First of all, there would probably be a lawsuit for that so I'm sure teachers at Montessori schools don't let their kids touch hot stovetops. Secondly, that's cruelty. You warn the kids "Hey, hot stove, so don't touch" and even prevent them from touching the stove if necessary.

It's kind to issue a warning when you see someone about to totally wreck his or her life. I wish I had the courage to do so more. But I'd like to think if I saw a car about to hit one of my loved ones or even a good friend that I would push them out of the way, possibly temporarily hurting him/her, in order to save his/her life even if I took the blow.

Another weird thing is that I saw parents letting their boys run up trees and do backflips. They landed on their feet and it was kind of cool that they could do that, but what if they fell and crushed their heads and who knows what else? I was holding my breath and praying just watching them. So glad I don't have kids at moments like that.

DesertRose · Feb 21, 2019

neptunejoo said:
Since you brought up the subject, I wonder how to deal with 'moral relativism'

How nuts to have moral relativism.
In the US they would need to get rid of the Supreme Court.
The morally relative person would say "well that is your interpretation of the law, your Honor, and I have a different interpretation of the law so there....". Why not just throw out the entire study of law and have chaos.

Also, if you think about it if all truth is relative then that very statement is also relative. There would be zero absolutes about anything.

neptunejoo said:
I had huge fight with my friend because of this. She thought good or bad is relative and would not vouch for that.

I tend to leave acquaintances to their own ideas and logic while piping up about my views if asked. However, with closer friends I prefer to stick to those with similar values. If it is a loved one that has to be super hard you can agree to disagree about certain issues especially if they do not cross your principles.

Thanks for the interesting topic neptunejoo!

Mr.Anderson · Feb 22, 2019

@neptunejoo i had a HUGE argument and I lost virtually all my friends in the process, too. Long story short they tought that Desmond is Amazing was a good thing to do with a child.

DesertRose · Feb 22, 2019

I really think when it comes to people closest to you there is a big decision to make regarding shared values and principles:
I agree with these sentiments.

Be careful whom you associate with. It is human to imitate the habits of those with whom we interact. We inadvertently adopt their interests, their opinions, their values, and their habit of interpreting events.”

“Above all, keep a close watch on this— that you are never so tied to your former acquaintances and friends that you are pulled down to their level. If you don’t, you’ll be ruined. . . . You must choose whether to be loved by these friends and remain the same person, or to become a better person at the cost of those friends . . . if you try to have it both ways you will neither make progress nor keep what you once had.” —

“The key is to keep company only with people who uplift you, whose presence calls forth your best.”
―

“Attach yourself to what is spiritually superior, regardless of what other people think or do. Hold to your true aspirations no matter what is going on around you.”
― Epictetus

neptunejoo · Feb 23, 2019

Mr.Anderson said:
@neptunejoo i had a HUGE argument and I lost virtually all my friends in the process, too. Long story short they tought that Desmond is Amazing was a good thing to do with a child.

What? For what perceived, what happened to Desmond is clearly child abuse. He barely wakes up, like he's been drugged all the time. I wont do that to my own child.

neptunejoo · Feb 23, 2019

DesertRose said:
I really think when it comes to people closest to you there is a big decision to make regarding shared values and principles:
I agree with these sentiments.

Be careful whom you associate with. It is human to imitate the habits of those with whom we interact. We inadvertently adopt their interests, their opinions, their values, and their habit of interpreting events.”

“Above all, keep a close watch on this— that you are never so tied to your former acquaintances and friends that you are pulled down to their level. If you don’t, you’ll be ruined. . . . You must choose whether to be loved by these friends and remain the same person, or to become a better person at the cost of those friends . . . if you try to have it both ways you will neither make progress nor keep what you once had.” —

“The key is to keep company only with people who uplift you, whose presence calls forth your best.”
―

“Attach yourself to what is spiritually superior, regardless of what other people think or do. Hold to your true aspirations no matter what is going on around you.”
― Epictetus

Now that you mentioned this. I find it really difficult to find a husband, a man who will make me closer to God. Not, because he gambles or cheats all the time so I pray to God he will stop. But someone who can support and elevate us together in this mortal life. People tell me I am being picky, but I do want to guard my deen, you know.

Friends can go separate ways. But I wish something permanent with spouse.

neptunejoo · Feb 23, 2019

Dalit said:
I agree with you. It sounds like the mistaken idea about Montessori schools that I heard about years ago, that they're the types of schools that would let kids burn their hands on the stovetop burners so they would learn not to touch hot things. First of all, there would probably be a lawsuit for that so I'm sure teachers at Montessori schools don't let their kids touch hot stovetops. Secondly, that's cruelty. You warn the kids "Hey, hot stove, so don't touch" and even prevent them from touching the stove if necessary.

I think people also should teach by example. If kids see their parents never raise voice to each other, hug, being respectful, never cheat, they will behave this way too. Though, they are also children from good people end up being bad too.

neptunejoo · Feb 23, 2019

Linni said:
I think they intentionally misinterpret what Jesus said in Mark 22:39 "And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself." You love others, but you shouldn't see them (neither youself) as gods.

You should respect and take care of yourself, but not idolize yourself.
As you said, that's Ego.

He was selfless, and he created social movement just being that. I think it is true that the closest idol to us, is the Self.

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