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Then they throw the “Pope” (which means “Papa”) into their custom, deified mix, make confessions to priests whom they call “Father”, despite God’s clear command against it, and think the priest can absolve them of sin when he CANNOT.
I will concede that the Pope had much power in the past (having control over Kings and Queens etc.), same for the priests - but in my Catholic "rituals" that I was asked to do as a child, or when interacting with other Catholics, nobody ever told me to worship the Pope, Mary or any priest. It was always communion with Jesus that was emphasized.
 

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I see you have respect for Jesus. That is good.

I'll consider it. My mentor was considering reading it for informational purposes and that would be my rationale, too. However, I'm not giving up on YHVH because He's never given up on me even when I ran from Him. I've felt His love and it's immense.
I think YHVH is a Jewish term used for God... if you are referring to the God of Abraham (PBUH) and of Moses (PBUH), Muslims believe in the same God.
 

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Well, again, if you go to non-Christian Jews with your above-listed criteria, they will tell you that, though you think you are worshiping YHVH, or Jehovah, you are not, at least not properly, because you are idolizing Jesus Christ as part of a Trinity (if you are an "orthodox" Christian, that is). The Jehovah's Witnesses, even if they are false witnesses, will tell you the same. Therefore, I conclude either that Jehovah is not the same god, or God, as Jehovah, or that his followers and worshipers are somewhat given to spiritual schizophrenia, at worst, and perpetual argumentation at best. Still, they do some impressive charity work by establishing hospitals, missions, and such, so I am acknowledging some of their many and fine traits as well.

To your above statement, and leaving aside the "same entity" argument for a moment, as it relates to etymology, or the word, "Allah," how do you account for the fact that when Jesus was on the cross, quoting the Psalmist (David), the translators of the KJV, in the gospel of Mark, left his words in Aramaic in tact:

"And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"


I am no linguist, but ^ that Aramaic "Eloi," is first, let it be noticed, apparently not the plural Hebrew "Elohim," or "gods," but rather is singular, "God," and, what is more, looks very much like the Arabic, also singular, "Allah." This, then, is my question: should native speakers of Aramaic, even if there aren't many these days, say "God," or "Jehovah," instead of "Eloi?"
I don't really care what non Christian Jews think. I follow what the Bible says and I know I am not idolising Jesus as part of the trinity. What nonsense. The Bible is clear Jesus is God too but a separate individual from God the Father (Jehovah). The Jews rejected Christ as Messiah and God and the consequences of that is they stopped being chosen people according to the Bible. Jesus Himself told them that and their hatred towards Him grew until they had Him crucified.

The oneness doctrine overlooks the fact that the Son came to earth to reveal the true character of God the Father to a world groping in spiritual blindness. Jesus prayed to His Father in Gethsemane, "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world" (John 17:5, 6). Jesus is the only one who could reveal the Father, because He is the express image of the Father (Luke 10:22; Hebrews 1:3).

When the disciples asked Christ what the Father was like, He said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9). Jesus so mirrored the character of the Father that He perfectly reflected Him, hence the title "The everlasting Father." Another reason Jesus is called the Everlasting Father is because this world and everything in it was created through Christ. So in a very real sense, Jesus is our father (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:3).

Isaiah 9:6 is the only place in the Bible where Jesus is called the Father. Keep in mind that Jesus also calls Himself the Son of man, our brother, our shepherd, our friend, and our priest. To build a doctrine on one Scripture is as foolish as building a house on top of a single fence post. The Bible physically separates the Father and the Son repeatedly. While Christ was on earth, He referred to His Father in heaven. "My Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 10:32). He always directed His prayers heavenward to the Father and stated that the Father had His own individual will; "Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done" (Luke 22:42). "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit" (Luke 23:46). Then after He died and rose again, He ascended to "the right hand of God" (Romans 8:34). This indicates the Father has a separate presence.

In fact, Jesus said that He wasn't the Father more than 80 times. While always remaining one in purpose and origin, Jesus and the Father are clearly separate and distinct persons. And on more than one occasion, the Father spoke to Jesus from heaven. “And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" (Matthew 3:17). Either Jesus and the Father are two separate individual persons, or Jesus was an expert ventriloquist.

Most of the confusion regarding the number of beings composing the Godhead springs from a simple misunderstanding of the word “one.” Simply put, “one” in the Bible does not always mean numerical quantity. Depending on the Scripture, “one” can often mean unity.

We see this principle established very early in Scripture. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). “One flesh” here does not mean that a married couple melt into one human after their wedding, but rather they are to be united into one family. Jesus prayed that the apostles would be one, saying, "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one” (John 17:22-23).

Jehovah witnesses wrote their own Bible because they couldn't prove from the word of God that Jesus wasn't God. so they chose to write a man made doctrine to fall in line with their beliefs. Your conclusions are wrong and not biblical. The Bible never lies.

Jesus was talking to God the Father in Mark 15:34. Why would He use a plural word when He was talking to God the Father?

Aramaic speakers can call God any of the names which all stand for God. The subject of God’s name remains one of the most confusing and disputed issues in Christianity. This is partly because God has many names in Scripture. But each name that God reveals serves as an important key in disclosing His power, holiness, and desired relationship with His people. His names provide a composite picture revealing different facets of His awesome character. Here a few examples of names for God the Father in the Bible.

  • El-Shaddai (Genesis 17:1, 2), which means “the Almighty God”

  • Jehovah-jireh (Genesis 22:14), which means “Jehovah will provide”

  • Jehovah-Tsidkenu (Jeremiah 23:6), which means “the Lord Our Righteousness”

  • Jehovah-Shalom (Judges 6:24), which means “the Lord our peace”

  • Jehovah-Roi (Genesis 16:13), which means “the God who sees”

  • El-Elyon (Numbers 24:16), which means “the Most High God” or “the Exalted One”

  • El-Olam (Psalm 90:2; Isaiah 40:28), which means “God of eternity” or “God, the Everlasting One”

  • El-Berith (2 Chronicles 34:32), which means “God of the covenant”

  • El-Roi (Genesis 16:13), which means “God who sees me” or “God of vision”

  • Elohim, a plural form for deity, is used in Genesis 1:26, where the Bible says, “God said, Let us make man in our image.” This name is frequently used to support the truth of the trinity.

Its important they (and all of us) have His name in their hearts, that means, to have His law—not just the written words of the Ten Commandments, but its spirit—written in our hearts. Paul explains in Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them” They shouldn't take His name in vain and should recognise the true value of His name. Jesus told us that “whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it” (John 14:13, 14). The promises of God can be trusted. His name comes with a good reputation. Our heavenly Father is primarily concerned with whether or not we know Him and have a strong relationship with Him.
 
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You should really read about the history of Christianity and it's orgins and evolution. The majority of protestant/orthodox doctrine and dogma come directly from the Roman Catholic Church including the doctrine of Eternal Torment, the Trinity and Sunday worship. Also many rites of the Catholic Church have been maintained by protestant chruches including the rite of ordination and matrimony. Obviously there is much about the Roman Catholic Church that Bible believing Christians ought to object with and Protestantims has rightly rejected many un-biblical Catholic doctrines and dogma. Protestantism didn't begin as movement to create a new religion or faith. It began as an effort to reform and correct the errors of Catholicism. To say modern Christianity has no basis in Catholicism is plainly absurd.
I'm an Independent Fundamental Baptist.

Catholicism has it's own rituals on how they operate, but we do not perform them.

Each church operates independently.

Ordination is according to Biblical presents and traditional weddings are performed, but it is done in accordance with the Bible----not any particular church tradition. Hence the word "Independent".
 

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I don't really care what non Christian Jews think. I follow what the Bible says and I know I am not idolising Jesus as part of the trinity. What nonsense.
Well, even there, the definition of "Bible" between worshipers of YHVH differ. Non-Christian Jews, whose opinion you consider worthless but who have been worshiping YHVH longer than you, define the Bible as, and limited to, what you Christians call the "Old" Testament. You add some more books, call them the "New" Testament, append them to the "Old," and call the matter done. If the Jehovah's Witnesses, as you claim, wrote their own Bible, so, too, it seems to me, did the Christians, and it's called the New Testament.
The Bible is clear Jesus is God too but a separate individual from God the Father (Jehovah).
The hotly contested New Testament might be clear about it, but, again, that's not considered "the Bible" by other worshipers of YHVH (Jehovah). Again, then, the question arises: is Jehovah the same god, or God, as Jehovah? Of course I expect religious partisans and sectarians to argue the position of their favorite party, but sometimes the so called "evidence" is unconvincing.
The Jews rejected Christ as Messiah and God and the consequences of that is they stopped being chosen people according to the Bible.
To say nothing of non-Christian Jews, how many resident, participating Christian Zionists have you convinced of this lately?
Jesus was talking to God the Father in Mark 15:34. Why would He use a plural word when He was talking to God the Father?
Excellent point! And one well worth considering. I thought what you call "God the Father" was supposed to be part of some Hebrew plural Elohim, but, as I said, I am no linguist.
The subject of God’s name remains one of the most confusing and disputed issues in Christianity.
I've noticed that. And, considering the number of confusing and disputed issues in Christianity, that is saying something.


Thank you for responding, and that with your own words.
 
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Well, even there, the definition of "Bible" between worshipers of YHVH differ. Non-Christian Jews, whose opinion you consider worthless but who have been worshiping YHVH longer than you, define the Bible as, and limited to, what you Christians call the "Old" Testament. You add some more books, call them the "New" Testament, append them to the "Old," and call the matter done. If the Jehovah's Witnesses, as you claim, wrote their own Bible, so, too, it seems to me, did the Christians, and it's called the New Testament.

The hotly contested New Testament might be clear about it, but, again, that's not considered "the Bible" by other worshipers of YHVH (Jehovah). Again, then, the question arises: is Jehovah the same god, or God, as Jehovah? Of course I expect religious partisans and sectarians to argue the position of their favorite party, but sometimes the so called "evidence" is unconvincing.

To say nothing of non-Christian Jews, how many resident, participating Christian Zionists have you convinced of this lately?

Excellent point! And one well worth considering. I thought what you call "God the Father" was supposed to be part of some Hebrew plural Elohim, but, as I said, I am no linguist.

I've noticed that. And, considering the number of confusing and disputed issues in Christianity, that is saying something.

Thank you for responding, and that with your own words.
If you knew God personally by rebirth, Then you would know the Truth. Don'e peddle your own self willed beliefs. It is called "TRESPASSING" (adding self will in the sphere of divine authority)
 
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Really?

Because in my neighborhood alone there are 3 houses that have/had concrete statues of "Mary" in their front yard.

I've gone to all three to give them the Gospel. The first lady just straight up said she didn't want to hear it, that she was trusting in her membership in the RCC to take her to Heaven, claiming she was a "good Catholic"(as if that will somehow save her).

The second lady let me give her the Gospel & got saved, Praise God. The next time I drove down her street I noticed she had removed the statue of Mary.

The third house is a guy that lives on the next street over & is about as Catholic as they come. He has a full blown shrine devoted to his goddess Mary--his Queen of Heaven. He dresses her with strings of beads and she has a crown. It's beyond creepy. I've seen him get on his knees & pray to it, light candles around it, kiss it & pour out drinks for it.

I knocked on his door & as soon as he saw me holding a Bible he got angry. I remained calm & polite and asked him if he knew he was going to Heaven when he died. He rolled his eyes & sighed and said "Look, I am not Christian and am not interested in becoming Christian because I am a Catholic. And nobody knows if they are going to Heaven." I told him that's not true, that when you are saved you will know you are going to Heaven and began to flip through my Bible to show him.

He stopped me and said he didn't care what my book said, "she" is the one who will get him into Heaven as he pointed at the statue. I said sir, that is just a carved piece of stone, it cannot get you into Heaven and praying to it is wicked because it is not God.

He leaned in close and said, maybe not to you, but to me, it IS God. Then he told me to leave.

I knew he wouldn't listen but I am praying for him to get saved.

Don't tell me Catholics don't worship Mary, because they DO.
 
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Really?

Because in my neighborhood alone there are 3 houses that have/had concrete statues of "Mary" in their front yard.

I've gone to all three to give them the Gospel. The first lady just straight up said she didn't want to hear it, that she was trusting in her membership in the RCC to take her to Heaven, claiming she was a "good Catholic"(as if that will somehow save her).

The second lady let me give her the Gospel & got saved, Praise God. The next time I drove down her street I noticed she had removed the statue of Mary.

The third house is a guy that lives on the next street over & is about as Catholic as they come. He has a full blown shrine devoted to his goddess Mary--his Queen of Heaven. He dresses her with strings of beads and she has a crown. It's beyond creepy. I've seen him get on his knees & pray to it, light candles around it, kiss it & pour out drinks for it.

I knocked on his door & as soon as he saw me holding a Bible he got angry. I remained calm & polite and asked him if he knew he was going to Heaven when he died. He rolled his eyes & sighed and said "Look, I am not Christian and am not interested in becoming Christian because I am a Catholic. And nobody knows if they are going to Heaven." I told him that's not true, that when you are saved you will know you are going to Heaven and began to flip through my Bible to show him.

He stopped me and said he didn't care what my book said, "she" is the one who will get him into Heaven as he pointed at the statue. I said sir, that is just a carved piece of stone, it cannot get you into Heaven and praying to it is wicked because it is not God.

He leaned in close and said, maybe not to you, but to me, it IS God. Then he told me to leave.

I knew he wouldn't listen but I am praying for him to get saved.

Don't tell me Catholics don't worship Mary, because they DO.
I doubt anything you said was true (especially the third story), Catholics may worship Mary, but fundies worship the Bible. You realize how arrogant and smug y'all come across as right? I would have told you to get lost too. I grew up in a Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, so it's no surprise how hate filled you are.

Anyway as far as God...

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God does not exist. He is being-itself beyond essence and existence. Therefore to argue that God exists is to deny him."

- Paul Tillich
 

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This thread is hilarious. I can’t even believe most of the people posting here have been here about as long as I have and they still took the plunge and joined in.

I guess I should consider this a sign to not ever take this place too seriously.

Lol at the story of the guy who prays to the statue of Mary in the front yard.

lol at telling serve that he is trespassing into the sphere of divine authority.

And quadruple lol for a thread posing the question of whether Jesus used the bathroom turning into a several page debate over the trinity with the same people who have had this discussion in at least 6 other threads since the forum began.

At some point, does anyone around here ever get tired of repeating themselves?

Super duper funny though. Perfect 10 if we are scoring for comedy.
 
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Really?

Because in my neighborhood alone there are 3 houses that have/had concrete statues of "Mary" in their front yard.

I've gone to all three to give them the Gospel. The first lady just straight up said she didn't want to hear it, that she was trusting in her membership in the RCC to take her to Heaven, claiming she was a "good Catholic"(as if that will somehow save her).

The second lady let me give her the Gospel & got saved, Praise God. The next time I drove down her street I noticed she had removed the statue of Mary.

The third house is a guy that lives on the next street over & is about as Catholic as they come. He has a full blown shrine devoted to his goddess Mary--his Queen of Heaven. He dresses her with strings of beads and she has a crown. It's beyond creepy. I've seen him get on his knees & pray to it, light candles around it, kiss it & pour out drinks for it.

I knocked on his door & as soon as he saw me holding a Bible he got angry. I remained calm & polite and asked him if he knew he was going to Heaven when he died. He rolled his eyes & sighed and said "Look, I am not Christian and am not interested in becoming Christian because I am a Catholic. And nobody knows if they are going to Heaven." I told him that's not true, that when you are saved you will know you are going to Heaven and began to flip through my Bible to show him.

He stopped me and said he didn't care what my book said, "she" is the one who will get him into Heaven as he pointed at the statue. I said sir, that is just a carved piece of stone, it cannot get you into Heaven and praying to it is wicked because it is not God.

He leaned in close and said, maybe not to you, but to me, it IS God. Then he told me to leave.

I knew he wouldn't listen but I am praying for him to get saved.

Don't tell me Catholics don't worship Mary, because they DO.
PTL for your allowing the Spirit to manifest His gift through you...Thank you.
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I will concede that the Pope had much power in the past (having control over Kings and Queens etc.), same for the priests - but in my Catholic "rituals" that I was asked to do as a child, or when interacting with other Catholics, nobody ever told me to worship the Pope, Mary or any priest. It was always communion with Jesus that was emphasized.
You weren't paying attention then, half of prayers and rosaries are dedicated to Mary, not to mention whole month is dedicated to her worship (May). There plenty of prayers to pope's and other dead humans considered as saints.
 

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This thread is hilarious. I can’t even believe most of the people posting here have been here about as long as I have and they still took the plunge and joined in.

I guess I should consider this a sign to not ever take this place too seriously.

Lol at the story of the guy who prays to the statue of Mary in the front yard.

lol at telling serve that he is trespassing into the sphere of divine authority.

And quadruple lol for a thread posing the question of whether Jesus used the bathroom turning into a several page debate over the trinity with the same people who have had this discussion in at least 6 other threads since the forum began.

At some point, does anyone around here ever get tired of repeating themselves?

Super duper funny though. Perfect 10 if we are scoring for comedy.
Lol at you being surprised by it :)
 

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Well, even there, the definition of "Bible" between worshipers of YHVH differ. Non-Christian Jews, whose opinion you consider worthless but who have been worshiping YHVH longer than you, define the Bible as, and limited to, what you Christians call the "Old" Testament. You add some more books, call them the "New" Testament, append them to the "Old," and call the matter done. If the Jehovah's Witnesses, as you claim, wrote their own Bible, so, too, it seems to me, did the Christians, and it's called the New Testament.

The hotly contested New Testament might be clear about it, but, again, that's not considered "the Bible" by other worshipers of YHVH (Jehovah). Again, then, the question arises: is Jehovah the same god, or God, as Jehovah? Of course I expect religious partisans and sectarians to argue the position of their favorite party, but sometimes the so called "evidence" is unconvincing.

To say nothing of non-Christian Jews, how many resident, participating Christian Zionists have you convinced of this lately?

Excellent point! And one well worth considering. I thought what you call "God the Father" was supposed to be part of some Hebrew plural Elohim, but, as I said, I am no linguist.

I've noticed that. And, considering the number of confusing and disputed issues in Christianity, that is saying something.

Thank you for responding, and that with your own words.
Well, even there, the definition of "Bible" between worshipers of YHVH differ. Non-Christian Jews, whose opinion you consider worthless but who have been worshiping YHVH longer than you, define the Bible as, and limited to, what you Christians call the "Old" Testament.
Like I said I don't care what non Christian Jews think or define as the Bible. As a Christian I have had personal spiritual experience with God (as many do) and I know the whole Bible is the truth. Through my study of the Bible I have found that both the Old and New Testaments are needed to understand Christ. Plus non Christian Jews pick and choose which Old testament parts they believe in. There is a Rabbinic curse on Daniel 9.

I consider anyone's opinion worthless if they don't believe in Jesus as Messiah and God because that is not biblical. Also its never about how long anyone worships God, its about how much we submit to God and let Him transform us. I have met new Christians who knew the Bible better than I did because they put in more time and effort to study the Word and spend time with God. The Jews who were God's chosen people for centuries disobeyed God on and off for years until God gave them one last chance to change by cutting off a period of time for them (490 years). During that time the Messiah would come, and when He did, they rejected Him. Jesus said to them sadly in Matthew 23:37–39, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." No one is going to be saved because their people have been worshipping God for a very long time. They will be saved because they accepted Jesus Christ as their personal saviour, keep His commandments and have faith in Him.

You add some more books, call them the "New" Testament, append them to the "Old," and call the matter done. If the Jehovah's Witnesses, as you claim, wrote their own Bible, so, too, it seems to me, did the Christians, and it's called the New Testament.
You really don't know much about the Bible do you? The New Testament is as important as the Old Testament. You can't have one without the other. The Bible says, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). All of it, not parts of it. The New Testament quotes the Old Testament. Jesus quoted the Old Testament plus the apostles and other writers of the New Testament. The New testament tells us about Jesus' life here on earth and what He did to save us. In fact that is one of the main purposes of scripture in both Old and New Testaments is to reveal Jesus as Saviour. "Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (John 5:39). "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus" (2 Timothy 3:15). Prophecies from the Old Testament were fulfilled in the New Testament. For example the Old Testament predictions of the Messiah were so specific and so clearly fulfilled by Jesus of Nazareth that Jesus used these prophecies to prove that He was indeed the Messiah. There are more than 125 of these prophecies. End time prophecy also goes hand in hand in both Testaments. Daniel and Revelation especially. “I am the Lord. … New things I declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them” (Isaiah 42:8-9).

The 66 books of the Bible maintain harmony with one another. And even when new concepts on a certain subject are expressed, they do not undermine what other Bible writers say on the same subject. That is amazing considering the Bible comprises 66 books written by 44 different authors over a span of 1500 years. These authors, from many walks of life, and of varying degrees of education and nobility, most of whom never knew each other or lived within each other's lifespan, were only able to write so cohesively through God's inspiration. An objective view of the Bible can show us that, indeed, the Bible's composition is unique and inspired.

Jehovah witnesses claims to use only the Bible as their source of inspiration, yet they removed all scripture that proves Christ's divinity from the Bible. So much of their doctrine isn't biblical. Like the Jews they pick and choose what they believe in the Bible. They re-wrote the Bible to get it to say what they wanted. Its not about what God and His word says.

The hotly contested New Testament might be clear about it, but, again, that's not considered "the Bible" by other worshipers of YHVH (Jehovah). Again, then, the question arises: is Jehovah the same god, or God, as Jehovah? Of course I expect religious partisans and sectarians to argue the position of their favorite party, but sometimes the so called "evidence" is unconvincing.
The evidence is unconvincing because you don't believe. Only those who accept the Bible as true can appreciate and understand what the Bible has to say about any topic. Without that fundamental understanding, any discussion is moot.

To say nothing of non-Christian Jews, how many resident, participating Christian Zionists have you convinced of this lately?
I haven't personally convinced any Christian Zionists but I know a few people who used to be. Through people teaching them about the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit, they came to understand what the Bible says about Israel. Who Israel is in the New Covent and why. I hope and pray that the Holy Spirit convicts Christian Zionists on the obvious message of the Kingdom of God and that the covenant promises associated with Israel were taken from the Jews and passed on to spiritual Israel (anyone who believes on Jesus Christ whether they be Jew or Gentile). Circumcision is not about the the body but of the heart.

“Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest on the law, and makest thy boast of God ... For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision [Gentiles] keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? ... For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God” (Romans 2:17, 25, 26, 28, 29).

"For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh" (Philippians 3:3).

Excellent point! And one well worth considering. I thought what you call "God the Father" was supposed to be part of some Hebrew plural Elohim, but, as I said, I am no linguist.
I'm no linguist either but different languages use different words for God the Father.

I've noticed that. And, considering the number of confusing and disputed issues in Christianity, that is saying something.
Christians should always stick to what the Bible says. There wouldn't be so many doctrinal disputes if we understood and followed God's word. In the Bible there is only one truth after all. God bless.
 

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Jesus was talking to God the Father in Mark 15:34. Why would He use a plural word when He was talking to God the Father?
Just before He exhaled Jesus shouted two times... the singular form of God in Aramaic. And so He said what David sang in Psalm 22 who also used the singular form of God in Hebraic.

Why two times the singular form of God ?
 

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You weren't paying attention then, half of prayers and rosaries are dedicated to Mary, not to mention whole month is dedicated to her worship (May). There plenty of prayers to pope's and other dead humans considered as saints.
I repeat: nobody told me to worship her or the Pope. Are you or have you ever been Catholic? I don't think so, so you're not qualified to speak. Some do worship Mary but it's an extra thing, and not a requirement to be a Catholic.
 

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I have met new Christians who knew the Bible better than I did because they put in more time and effort to study the Word and spend time with God. The Jews who were God's chosen people for centuries disobeyed God on and off for years until God gave them one last chance to change by cutting off a period of time for them (490 years).
Again your sources do not understand Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy and that period of time is soon but not yet over.


In fact that is one of the main purposes of scripture in both Old and New Testaments is to reveal Jesus as Saviour. "Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (John 5:39)
God was standing right in front of them but they had their heads in His book.

So the bible had become an idol to them.


I haven't personally convinced any Christian Zionists but I know a few people who used to be. Through people teaching them about the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit, they came to understand what the Bible says about Israel. Who Israel is in the New Covent and why. I hope and pray that the Holy Spirit convicts Christian Zionists on the obvious message of the Kingdom of God and that the covenant promises associated with Israel were taken from the Jews and passed on to spiritual Israel (anyone who believes on Jesus Christ whether they be Jew or Gentile).
Jews are the stump and Christians are branches.

What is more important ? That's right the stump !
 
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