Therapists are supposed to diagnose all of their patients, amongst other things, former therapist speaks out

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Maybe these therapists were very shitty ones too. Idk just thinking out loud. Cause my therapists to help manage my OCD was just terrible at it. 6 months later, and I still don't know how to manage it.
Troed hair mineral analysis and detoxing your body from heavy metals? Many have also ben helped from ashwagandha.Regular psychiatry canät helpo anyone, they just make you take lifelong "medications", what you need is to CURE the root problem thats causing this and I do not think its from any psychological problems but due to bodily things. The only patients I've ever seen get well are those that have been treated by natural docs..

Look at this danish woman before and after. From this:
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That is how sick they let us be by stopping the right education of medical staff.
 
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The only reason therapists have to diagnose is so that health insuramce will pay for the services. If you want to pay out of pocket there are plenty who will see you without a diagnosis.
Nope, its the same here and we dont need insurance in sweden. They sure are happy about diagnosing though! And if they cant find something they make it up. Even when they do a big examination on you here, with blocks, intelligence test and all of that, and it comes out that there's nothing wrong with you, they still put a diagnosis on you from just conversation.
 

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yeah conversation.. there isnt a blood test for psychiatric disorders, most of the stuff cant be seen at all, some can at autopsy. we have just started finding some tests that show brain differences or irregulrotoes in other systems for certain conditions but they are in their infancy and will take years to be developed completely to be reliable measures and hopefully become standard practice.

how do you expect someone to diagnose something somatic? converation, aka interview and observation are really the only way.

were u slapped with. diagnosis u dont like? i cant speak for sweden, in america things are overdiagnosed so insurance can be charged, they dont pay for healthy people to vent or gt high on psychotropic meds. you can get that if you want, just pay out of pocket.

the only thing looks dofferent about that girl is her dye job and a tan.
 

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Yeah, it is by conversation aswell but here they also do investigations where you get to lay blocks, draw things from a sheet, they do an MR on your brain and such.

No I wasnt diagnosed but I saw this video and know peope with mental unhealth and hear all the time what its like and they get diagnoses to the left and right that makes no sense. I know them and have read psychopathology for many years and can tell it's the wrong diagnosis, they also get diagnosis after diagnosis after diagnoisis, it's ridiculess.

Interesting about seeing it in blood, I didnt know that. Can you link or something to that? Would be really interesting to read since my take on mental disorders is that its due to a chemical problem in the body and organs. The brain is an organ. :)
 

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Many therapists are not required to diagnose people, although a diagnosis may arrive if they see it fit. Mine isn't required and my insurance covers the visits. And generally, people going to therapy for the first time will be diagnosed with something, because it's unlikely they've seen a psychiatrist frequently enough to get a full understanding of where they are mentally. (So they may have already been diagnosed with something but may find a new diagnosis, or may have been misdiagnosed.)

Therapy is an excellent way to get help and honestly far more people should be in therapy than there are. This anti-therapy BS is misguided at best, extremely harmful to vulnerable people at worst. Someone in the comments section said it's "basically brainwashing", and I wonder if they even realize that that's not exactly an inherently bad thing. Yes, it is brainwashing--you're washing out all the crap in your brain and learning to deal with whatever stains refuse to come out. Therapy involves re-training your brain to not be a poison to yourself, so in a way yeah it is brainwashing, but it's consensual and helpful.

As for that woman...she looks exactly the same. I don't see any change, except she got a tan and dyed her hair. She looks deluded in all of them.
 

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Many therapists are not required to diagnose people, although a diagnosis may arrive if they see it fit. Mine isn't required and my insurance covers the visits. And generally, people going to therapy for the first time will be diagnosed with something, because it's unlikely they've seen a psychiatrist frequently enough to get a full understanding of where they are mentally. (So they may have already been diagnosed with something but may find a new diagnosis, or may have been misdiagnosed.)

Therapy is an excellent way to get help and honestly far more people should be in therapy than there are. This anti-therapy BS is misguided at best, extremely harmful to vulnerable people at worst. Someone in the comments section said it's "basically brainwashing", and I wonder if they even realize that that's not exactly an inherently bad thing. Yes, it is brainwashing--you're washing out all the crap in your brain and learning to deal with whatever stains refuse to come out. Therapy involves re-training your brain to not be a poison to yourself, so in a way yeah it is brainwashing, but it's consensual and helpful.

As for that woman...she looks exactly the same. I don't see any change, except she got a tan and dyed her hair. She looks deluded in all of them.
New Zealand's mental health system is under review at the moment. Many of the professionals say they prescribe anti depressants and anti anxiety medication a lot more than they want to, but feel as if they have to because the waiting list for other kinds of therapy ie behavioural is months long - which is way too long for a person at crisis point. Not sure how the government are going to try and fix the system this time - but if it's anything like the last few attempts, it's not going to be good for the most vulnerable people yet again.
 

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Troed hair mineral analysis and detoxing your body from heavy metals? Many have also ben helped from ashwagandha.Regular psychiatry canät helpo anyone, they just make you take lifelong "medications", what you need is to CURE the root problem thats causing this and I do not think its from any psychological problems but due to bodily things. The only patients I've ever seen get well are those that have been treated by natural docs..

Look at this danish woman before and after. From this:
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To this:

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To this:
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Video here:

That is how sick they let us be by stopping the right education of medical staff.
So... She got a spray tan? lol.
 

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New Zealand's mental health system is under review at the moment. Many of the professionals say they prescribe anti depressants and anti anxiety medication a lot more than they want to, but feel as if they have to because the waiting list for other kinds of therapy ie behavioural is months long - which is way too long for a person at crisis point. Not sure how the government are going to try and fix the system this time - but if it's anything like the last few attempts, it's not going to be good for the most vulnerable people yet again.
When you pay behavioral modification therapists $12/hr then it’s fair to expect wait lists to be long because you can’t keep employees in the profession. Probably a good place to start.

And I know this because it’s what I do. The companies we work for get reimbursed a minimum of $30/hr for our services and they pay us between $12-18/hr. With inconsistent hours (no pay for client cancelations etc), and most of the time no benefits. Aren’t paid for writing notes or for travel time to clients. Only paid $8/hr for mandatory trainings, clinical supervision and meetings with lead clinicians to discuss case issues. Have to pay out of pocket for our own clearances and certain trainings and necessary materials.
 

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Many therapists are not required to diagnose people, although a diagnosis may arrive if they see it fit. Mine isn't required and my insurance covers the visits. And generally, people going to therapy for the first time will be diagnosed with something, because it's unlikely they've seen a psychiatrist frequently enough to get a full understanding of where they are mentally. (So they may have already been diagnosed with something but may find a new diagnosis, or may have been misdiagnosed.)

Therapy is an excellent way to get help and honestly far more people should be in therapy than there are. This anti-therapy BS is misguided at best, extremely harmful to vulnerable people at worst. Someone in the comments section said it's "basically brainwashing", and I wonder if they even realize that that's not exactly an inherently bad thing. Yes, it is brainwashing--you're washing out all the crap in your brain and learning to deal with whatever stains refuse to come out. Therapy involves re-training your brain to not be a poison to yourself, so in a way yeah it is brainwashing, but it's consensual and helpful.

As for that woman...she looks exactly the same. I don't see any change, except she got a tan and dyed her hair. She looks deluded in all of them.
I agree with the misdiagnosis. I've had friends who have gotten one diagnosis after the other and since I knew them well, I knew it was wrong. For instance someone with ASD was diagnosed with narcissism. Fucked up..
 

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I agree with the misdiagnosis. I've had friends who have gotten one diagnosis after the other and since I knew them well, I knew it was wrong. For instance someone with ASD was diagnosed with narcissism. Fucked up..
You understand that many of the disorders mimic each other in a lot of ways and it takes a LOT OF time observing someone in the natural environment (which is difficult enough) and also interviewing to get a true read on what your looking at? People really shouldn’t be diagnosed at all until they’ve spent 30-90 days under 24:7 observation, but no one is going to pay for that so psychiatrists/therapists have limited info to go on and a lot of pressure from clients and insurance companies to label and treat immediately and prematurely. Everyone wants a quick fix when there truly isn’t one and then blames the messenger.
 

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I worked in a mental health project for a short while many years ago. You couldn't really help most people, they were either mentally ill because of the situation they were in (environment, family, relationships etc) there wasn't anything big enough to help with the issues they had and when it came to people with illnesses like schizophrenia or bi polar again most of the time the situation they were in was making it worse and then you have an illness thats ongoing and its never going to go away, there is no magic cure, just years of being medicated in between really bad periods of time in between for whatever reasons, sometimes because long term use of the medication they are on doesn't do what it used to, sometimes because of a crisis in their life, a death, end of a relationship or many other things that just go wrong.

I hated that job, was soul destorying, one step forward, 3 steps back...... lather, rinse, repeat!
 

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My son is bipolar, so is my husband. Early treatment and accurate diagnosis really do make a huge difference. It isn’t always environment, you can completely change the environment and even properly medicate and not change a thing because after years and years of untreated ornincoreectly treated illness behaviors become learned and they are a real difficult thing to unlearn. It’s an intense process, and takes a lot of motivation and work. Two things seriously lacking in a culture that wants quick fixes RIGHT NOW.

My son is doing miraculously better but he got appropriate intervention at a very young age because I knew what I was looking at and dealing with, most people don’t. And because I was willing and able to advocate HARD for him which most people can’t, won’t, or don’t even know how to do.

Also they don’t look at mental illness as multisystemic (as you were saying) but purely medical so that leaves holes in the treatment plan which can easily derail the whole thing. I do behavior therapy, and usually it’s the family that is resistant to including the home life in the treatment, not the agency. When intervention isn’t consistent across systems it fails.

I don’t think I could handle working in the mental institution, so kudos to you, that’s a rough one.
 

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Oh it was community based although I have been in a couple of psychiactric hospitals and institutions because of my work with disabled people which is mostly what I done when I did work although there were always mental health issues there too. When I first started working in the care field I worked in a house with people who had been moved out of an institution they had been in all their lives because of having disabilities back when it was really bad and they institutionalised people for barely anything. So I was in the institution they were moving out of a few times while we were getting to know the people we were going to be working with, that place was horrific, worked with quite a lot of people who were in there most of their lives and my first boyfriend and best friend who is now dead was in a psychiactric hospital when he had a breakdown, that place was nowhere near as bad as the other institution but bad enough. I found it very hard to cope when it was just the mental health project I worked in though. I was struggling with so many of my own issues at that time in my life and also struggling cause of EDS and probably also because of the Chiari Malformation too although I just didnt know it at that time, spend years telling myself to get a grip and had myself convinced I was just lazy and kept pushing myself when I really shouldnt have.

Thats good that you recognised that in your son, lots of parents dont notice things like that at all, sort of passively, emotionally and mentally neglectful in a way. Thats more my own personal experience with my own mother though lol honestly even now I could loose the plot with her. Ive told her repeatedly that my daughter (her grandaughter) probably wont be able to have children and that she hasnt been careful at all for a long time and nothings happened aside from her being ill herself and the fact that she would struggle physically being pregnant, also being a parent and then theres the possibility of passing on EDS and she's away having conversations with her workmates saying that her grandaughters wanting to have a baby! I really could slap her, it makes me so angry.
 

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Oh Mother’s lol.. gotta love them. I think many live in a world made up in their imagination. Don’t feel too bad, I’ve noticed it’s common.

We have a long family history on both sides of bipolar so it was easy to spot, and I work in social work and mental health so had different resources at my disposal. So yes, lucky.

EDS is rough, I have a friend that has it and they told her for at least a decade she was crazy. God bless u, stay strong.
 

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I agree with the misdiagnosis. I've had friends who have gotten one diagnosis after the other and since I knew them well, I knew it was wrong. For instance someone with ASD was diagnosed with narcissism. Fucked up..
Not trying to judge but...why are you friends with someone with ASD? They'll only hurt you. Please take care of yourself. Also, that's pretty common to misdiagnose, as they both have similar apparent traits. The only difference is a narcissist is genuinely angry when going through narcissistic rage, whereas a sociopath is normally putting it on (but they can be genuinely angry).
 

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Not trying to judge but...why are you friends with someone with ASD? They'll only hurt you. Please take care of yourself. Also, that's pretty common to misdiagnose, as they both have similar apparent traits. The only difference is a narcissist is genuinely angry when going through narcissistic rage, whereas a sociopath is normally putting it on (but they can be genuinely angry).
Not sure if she meant antisocial or autism spectrum... either way it’s easy to confuse since many disorders share many traits
 
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