BTS discussion thread

Wandering mind · May 5, 2018

Maggieca said:
yeah a lot of the users here feel happy because they found a place where they can discuss BTS and share their "unpopular opinion" without being attacked
I also want to clarify that when we talk about armys we are refering to the fans we see on social media who don't accept any type of criticism and think BTS members and Bighit are perfect and can do no wrong

I assume the users who are taking part of this thread are more open minded and accept that BTS could be involved with the occult and their popularity is not a coincidence

Some users said they don't listen to BTS anymore while others say they are still fans and want to go to their concerts, both opnions are completely valid and should be respected
But if you don't want to read anything negative about the group then I don't think this is the right place to be, there are going to be some ugly things being discussed because we are talking about satanism after all

You're right. Bless you. I know for some fans they're going to find it hard seeing all this but you just can't deny the truth however difficult might be.

DarkAndWild · May 5, 2018

Wandering mind said:
You're right. Bless you. I know for some fans they're going to find it hard seeing all this but you just can't deny the truth however difficult might be.

So true, it’s yet even worsened by the fact that fans don’t take “illuminati conspiracies” seriously, they dub it as some sort of joke, because people always joke about popular artists being in the illuminati. It’s like a trend to jump into a bandwagon and assume that, because then, as crazy as it sounds, “you’ve made it as an artist” you see it’s because ppl usually claim that well known western artist such as Beyoncé, jay z, are legit in the illuminati so they dub illuminati accusation towards their fav artist as them being in the same level of success as Beyoncé ect...I always hear fans on twitter joking about, “BTS is popular I wonder if the illuminati has invited them to join them” the crazy part is some of them actually take it as a compliment bc of the whole “Beyoncé comparison thing” lol I hope I’m making sense

Also fans start making illuminati jokes and crack videos like these, which make the situation yet even worse bc they are being led further and further away from the real truth

( can you imagine, she was just “joking” and yet ppl were already telling her to kill herself, I wonder what they’d be telling someone who was being dead serious...

Tbh I think fans get really defensive because, “how dare you say that??? BTS worked their blood, sweat and tears to get to the top, they struggled, and they’ve starved!!! It’s so disrespectful for you to even assume they sold their way through, you’re nothing but a fake fan!! We don’t need you in this fandom”

I can’t count the amount of times I’ve been told that when I’ve tried to educate ppl...

Also I suspect ppl ridicule us for believing they’re involved, because some fans proceed to make stupid reasons, such as having the presence of nonexistential triangles that they’ve drawn on themselves or whatever...

Tbh most ppl started joking about the illuminati when a very popular YouTuber, nigahiga made this video

It’s obviously an agenda to try to cover up the truth about the illuminati, to have ppl view it as a joke/myth so that they can brush it off and never question anything...successfully making them into a bunch of brainwashed sheep if you ask me, but hey that’s my view on it

HappyAlfredo · May 5, 2018

Wandering mind said:
I really hate it when people don't take me seriously when I talk about this, it happens to me a lot to the point I stopped engaging in educating them and I was like " ok, educating you is useless just do you, I have tried and failed".. when I started talking about this, I felt like people were viewing me as a child who is talking nonsenses and are waiting for me to shut up and it really hurts me but I said whatever they don't wanna be educated.

Nowadays people make jokes of everything, and twitter became such a toxic place, the amount of rude inhuman comments is just unbelievable I really do question some people's sanity. And the fact that Youtubers have this big influence but chose to make useless videos like that.. that's a shame. If you have a platform uou should use it for the good because we need it badly nowadays but most people don't care... and fans behavious of becoming so defensive is all because of the fact that they worship "idols" , I hate posts like " X is a visual god" , "X is god of vocals" ... fans use these sentences maybe jokingly but believe me it all starts this way, that's why I never take these tweets jokingly and I dislike them. Also when you disagree on something or point out some illuminati thing and everyone be like : UNSTAN! For every opinion they don't like and every fact they don't wanna hear they tell you to unstan and quit the fandom, as if being of fan means automatically that you should give up the logic...

Those phrases always made me uncomfortable. Even when I was a hardcore fan I never called Bts idols, it felt wrong. Since they are somewhat independent with their music, I always called them artists and that made me more comfortable. I struggled to stan many other Kpop groups because I couldn't really call them artists, they seemed more manufactured. Bts is manufactured in a way to trick people into thinking they're more real and open than other groups.

Honestly most fandoms centered around people/groups of people are always full of idolatry. Fans always call them "gods". They probably think it's a joke, but in their heart they start holding them up to actually being gods.

Wandering mind · May 5, 2018

HappyAlfredo said:
Those phrases always made me uncomfortable. Even when I was a hardcore fan I never called Bts idols, it felt wrong. Since they are somewhat independent with their music, I always called them artists and that made me more comfortable. I struggled to stan many other Kpop groups because I couldn't really call them artists, they seemed more manufactured. Bts is manufactured in a way to trick people into thinking they're more real and open than other groups.

Honestly most fandoms centered around people/groups of people are always full of idolatry. Fans always call them "gods". They probably think it's a joke, but in their heart they start holding them up to actually being gods.

Same, I always call BTS artists and never called them gods, and as you said most kpop groups are manufactured and a product of their labels, not every kpop group is entitled to the title "Artist" in my opinion.

When you start calling a singer, actor or whatever "god" you automatically believe they're a god, it all happens in the subconscious, reason why I don't wanna normalise a lot of things because I fear my subconscious.

Maggieca · May 5, 2018

DarkAndWild said:
It’s obviously an agenda to try to cover up the truth about the illuminati, to have ppl view it as a joke/myth so that they can brush it off and never question anything...successfully making them into a bunch of brainwashed sheep if you ask me, but hey that’s my view on it

yep, it's all an agenda to make us look like crazy weirdos
But the truth is: people are afraid of the things they can't explain, they like to believe everything is unicorns and rainbows and everyone is happy, I think deep down they know that's not how the real world works

If these idols are so happy then why so many of them suffer depression? why so many of them tried suicide? why so many of them left their companies even when their groups were at the top?

The same thing happens in hollywood: how many child stars end up addicted to drugs? how many of them go crazy?
think about Lou Perlman and how he was abusing young boys, the same thing happened last year with Kevin Spacey
Everybody knows hollywood is full of pedophiles and abusers, this is not a conspiracy and I recommend everyone here to watch this documentary

the public is still in denial and saying we are "the crazy ones" but anyone who is not blinded by the media and the celebrity worshiping can see that something sinister is going on behind the scenes

ShiningCarat14 · May 5, 2018

Wandering mind said:
I really hate it when people don't take me seriously when I talk about this, it happens to me a lot to the point I stopped engaging in educating them and I was like " ok, educating you is useless just do you, I have tried and failed".. when I started talking about this, I felt like people were viewing me as a child who is talking nonsenses and are waiting for me to shut up and it really hurts me but I said whatever they don't wanna be educated.

Nowadays people make jokes of everything, and twitter became such a toxic place, the amount of rude inhuman comments is just unbelievable I really do question some people's sanity. And the fact that Youtubers have this big influence but chose to make useless videos like that.. that's a shame. If you have a platform you should use it for the good because we need it badly nowadays but most people don't care... and fans behaviour of becoming so defensive is all because of the fact that they worship "idols" , I hate posts like " X is a visual god" , "X is god of vocals" ... fans use these sentences maybe jokingly but believe me it all starts this way, that's why I never take these tweets jokingly and I dislike them. Also when you disagree on something or point out some illuminati thing and everyone be like : UNSTAN! For every opinion they don't like and every fact they don't wanna hear they tell you to unstan and quit the fandom, as if being a fan means automatically that you should give up the logic...

When I talk about these things my friends laugh at me and say “you know this isn’t true, you read too many theories” it gets frustrating because they just laugh when I explain to them

Also I never called them “idols” even when I started being a fan I remember on a video a girl said “I would give my unborn child to Jimin” At that time I realised how sucked in some BTS fans were and she got about 100 likes there were a few people who found it disgusting and said to her but she continued to stand for what she said

Maggieca · May 5, 2018

Mintea said:
Those are facts, i don't know if literally every artist has something to do with occult world thou.
Personally i don't think so, they probably do things they are not even aware, i doubt every single singer/actor is aware there is something behind them.
If you know the masonic pyramid you know that only high rankings know more things, i think this is the same in celebrities/artist world.

I think when you reach a certain level of popularity you have to be on their side because the ellite chose wich celebrities can have power over the masses
Being popular is not about talent in my opinion, is more about having the right connections and how willing you are to push an agenda
But of course these celebrities are at the bottom of the pyramid and when they are not popular anymore the ellite replaces them for the next big thing

In that documentary I shared you can see how hollywwod is full of pedophiles, big stars like Leonardo Dicaprio and Tobey Maguire worked with them and those abusers were found guilty but they are still working in the industry even today. That's why child stars end up with tragic stories, because most of them are abused and nobody is doing anything to protect them

blissfate · May 5, 2018

Hey guys I watched a tarot card reading about bts and 2 members are apparently showing signs of a karmic relationship

If you don't know what a karmic relationship is its basically a relationship between 2 people which is thought to teach a person a lesson from their past life (If you don't believe in reincarnation just ignore this post) and basically they're not meant to be together at ALL like these 2 people might have a strong infuation with eachother but the real reason why this person is here is to teach the individual a lesson..

These relationships can even turn abusive because one person wants something and the other person wants something else.
And from my knowledge these 2 make it very obvious that they like eachother, but they're not meant to be together.

One person is supposed to be the teacher and the other is the student. This leads me to believe something, because karmic relationships don't last forever, like the teacher is supposed to leave.. (This makes me think maybe they'll disband or be separated) and whether or not the "student" of the relationship paid off the debt determines if they'll get another relationship like this, until they pay off their debt

It's like a rollercoaster of emotions because one person seems to be angry with the other depending on the relationship.. and the more karma you collect the more you're attracted to this person

It's like being binded to someone until you learn your lesson.. if you're in this type of relationship and you try to get into another relationship with someone, it's not going to last. Because you're currently being taught a lesson you'll just see patterns of what you're supposed to learn until you learn to figure out how to deal with it

I would say who these 2 people are, but i'm sure you can figure it out and I don't necessarily want their privacy to be invaded

(I'm sorry if this sounds like a bunch of bs I'm really into spiritual things and i'm currently paying off karmic debt myself)

Maggieca · May 5, 2018

blissfate said:
Hey guys I watched a tarot card reading about bts and 2 members are apparently showing signs of a karmic relationship

If you don't know what a karmic relationship is its basically a relationship between 2 people which is thought to teach a person a lesson from their past life (If you don't believe in reincarnation just ignore this post) and basically they're not meant to be together at ALL like these 2 people might have a strong infuation with eachother but the real reason why this person is here is to teach the individual a lesson..

These relationships can even turn abusive because one person wants something and the other person wants something else.
And from my knowledge these 2 make it very obvious that they like eachother, but they're not meant to be together.

One person is supposed to be the teacher and the other is the student. This leads me to believe something, because karmic relationships don't last forever, like the teacher is supposed to leave.. (This makes me think maybe they'll disband or be separated) and whether or not the "student" of the relationship paid off the debt determines if they'll get another relationship like this, until they pay off their debt

It's like a rollercoaster of emotions because one person seems to be angry with the other depending on the relationship.. and the more karma you collect the more you're attracted to this person

It's like being binded to someone until you learn your lesson.. if you're in this type of relationship and you try to get into another relationship with someone, it's not going to last. Because you're currently being taught a lesson you'll just see patterns of what you're supposed to learn until you learn to figure out how to deal with it

I would say who these 2 people are, but i'm sure you can figure it out and I don't necessarily want their privacy to be invaded

(I'm sorry if this sounds like a bunch of bs I'm really into spiritual things and i'm currently paying off karmic debt myself)

but karmatic relationships are not always about romance?
A tarot reader told me a long time ago that my best friend and I both have a karmatic conection and we were together in a past life, but I neve felt atraction for her and I love her as family. We have a special conection but that's about it

I saw fans doing tarot reading about BTS on youtube but most of them are shippers who read the cards with a biased mind, so I wouldn't believe in them that much

blissfate · May 5, 2018

Maggieca said:
but karmatic relationships are not always about romance?
A tarot reader told me a long time ago that my best friend and I both have a karmatic conection and we were together in a past life, but I neve felt atraction for her and I love her as family. We have a special conection but that's about it

I saw fans doing tarot reading about BTS on youtube but most of them are shippers who read the cards with a biased mind, so I wouldn't believe in them that much

I mean yeah they might not be dating but from the chart its not that difficult for them to catch feelings
and i've seen the "student's" astrological chart and it consists of karmic debt

the world is a stage · May 5, 2018

blissfate said:
Hey guys I watched a tarot card reading about bts and 2 members are apparently showing signs of a karmic relationship

If you don't know what a karmic relationship is its basically a relationship between 2 people which is thought to teach a person a lesson from their past life (If you don't believe in reincarnation just ignore this post) and basically they're not meant to be together at ALL like these 2 people might have a strong infuation with eachother but the real reason why this person is here is to teach the individual a lesson..

These relationships can even turn abusive because one person wants something and the other person wants something else.
And from my knowledge these 2 make it very obvious that they like eachother, but they're not meant to be together.

One person is supposed to be the teacher and the other is the student. This leads me to believe something, because karmic relationships don't last forever, like the teacher is supposed to leave.. (This makes me think maybe they'll disband or be separated) and whether or not the "student" of the relationship paid off the debt determines if they'll get another relationship like this, until they pay off their debt

It's like a rollercoaster of emotions because one person seems to be angry with the other depending on the relationship.. and the more karma you collect the more you're attracted to this person

It's like being binded to someone until you learn your lesson.. if you're in this type of relationship and you try to get into another relationship with someone, it's not going to last. Because you're currently being taught a lesson you'll just see patterns of what you're supposed to learn until you learn to figure out how to deal with it

I would say who these 2 people are, but i'm sure you can figure it out and I don't necessarily want their privacy to be invaded

(I'm sorry if this sounds like a bunch of bs I'm really into spiritual things and i'm currently paying off karmic debt myself)

I know exactly who you mean...there was also a "witch" on YouTube who said similar things about 2 bts members.

blissfate · May 5, 2018

the world is a stage said:
I know exactly who you mean...there was also a "witch" on YouTube who said similar things about 2 bts members.

Yeah I checked their astrological charts compatibility and it said the same thing
So it's true since the same thing appears in my chart as well, and i'm well aware that i'm paying off debt currently

blissfate · May 5, 2018

Also kinda irrelevant to the topic we're on rn
but these "idols" or whatever can control people by using 2 methods

1. giving little information
2. giving too much information

And they seem to be doing 2.. a trustworthy group would not become mainstream, they would also stay true to themselves and not get involved with mainstream artists

Some of them probably, did in fact sell their souls from what i'm getting
"Celebrites" or whatever are here to enforce an agenda to make sure we don't find out the truth of how the universe works.. and we're only feeding into it by listening to their music and doing what they do

Focus on what you're doing, not what others are. Because if you do focus on others, you're creating a reality for them, not yourself

Another way of manipulation is fear, it's literally an energy drainer and not at all helpful and can cause some other things to happen..

Keep in mind the energy you put out is the energy that you receive. So if you're rude and hateful, you'll attract others that are the same.. and this might even make life difficult for you

the more aware you become the more you'll realize the system we're being put in to become slaves

trust your intuition

saintroserosalia · May 5, 2018

icecreamochi said:
This thread is the most confusing. Why are so many here protecting BTS? I thought we’re here to talk about the agenda and how they are influencing society? Not how much you love BTS and how you enjoy their videos.

Hmm... but so far, we haven't actually mention how much we love BTS - I didn't come across those in recent threads. Except for the sudden interest in their tarot readings (confessedly. I was only curious about the two members they'd mentioned). And I don't think we're actually 'protecting' BTS. We definitely will be talking more about their agenda the day their single/music video is released. BTS alternate universe theories are as confusing as Army's fanfic, to be honest. This is kinda off-topic but have any one of you know Loona ? They also have alternate universe theories; sometimes I do think of them as female version of BTS. So many weird theories, as well as Moon symbolism.

Maggieca · May 5, 2018

icecreamochi said:
This thread is the most confusing. Why are so many here protecting BTS? I thought we’re here to talk about the agenda and how they are influencing society? Not how much you love BTS and how you enjoy their videos.

because a lot of the users here are still BTS fans and they have a hard time thinking the group is involved with the occult
When you invest a lot of time in a group and you like them as people it's hard to accept they might be involved in sinister activities

please consider that a lot of kpop fans are young too so it's harder for them to let go. We try to be respectful and tolerant with eachother here

blissfate · May 5, 2018

icecreamochi said:
This thread is the most confusing. Why are so many here protecting BTS? I thought we’re here to talk about the agenda and how they are influencing society? Not how much you love BTS and how you enjoy their videos.

Attachment, thats all I have to say
Just because they might be involved in things doesn't mean they're evil..
Nobody is truly that form of evil (It is literally just a label) It's fine to appreciate things just be aware what you're doing. For all we know this could be a fake agenda and they could just want money and for us to be happy but you never know until we have deep-seated proof of all this happening

Maggieca · May 5, 2018

saintroserosalia said:
This is kinda off-topic but have any one of you know Loona ? They also have alternate universe theories; sometimes I do think of them as female version of BTS. So many weird theories, as well as Moon symbolism.

yeah i talked about loona in the old thread. Seems like a lot of BTS fans are loona fans too and you see them being mentioned in social media all the time. It's similar to what happened with BTS when they first started and I wouldn't be surprised if loona becomes popular when they debut, at least with international fans
their videos have a dark feel and they are using the theories to create a story

blissfate · May 5, 2018

Maggieca said:
yeah i talked about loona in the old thread. Seems like a lot of BTS fans are loona fans too and you see them being mentioned in social media all the time. It's similar to what happened with BTS when they first started and I wouldn't be surprised if loona becomes popular when they debut, at least with international fans
their videos have a dark feel and they are using the theories to create a story

Another thing i've noticed, why do all the theories involve death? I thought bts was here to promote a happy image, what ever happened to that?

HappyAlfredo · May 5, 2018

Maggieca said:
yeah i talked about loona in the old thread. Seems like a lot of BTS fans are loona fans too and you see them being mentioned in social media all the time. It's similar to what happened with BTS when they first started and I wouldn't be surprised if loona becomes popular when they debut, at least with international fans
their videos have a dark feel and they are using the theories to create a story

Loona also has the Forbiden apple/Adam and Eve concept going on, similar to Wings. Not sure what direction they'll take when they debut but they're last few mvs are more dark than the first ones.

Maggieca · May 5, 2018

blissfate said:
Another thing i've noticed, why do all the theories involve death? I thought bts was here to promote a happy image, what ever happened to that?

Their videos and theories are always about evil forces trying to take them to the dark side or them looking sad and jumping off bridges
Their concept at the beggining was different but after INU everything is about sadness or death
But I still don't know what DNA was about tbh, didn't understand the concept or what they were trying to say with that song

HappyAlfredo said:
Loona also has the Forbiden apple/Adam and Eve concept going on, similar to Wings. Not sure what direction they'll take when they debut but they're last few mvs are more dark than the first ones.

yeah and the fans are very intense and similar to BTS fans on social media. I see a strong conection with both groups
Loona company is spending a lot of money in their music videos so they are a big project for the future

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