Actually, the internet was invented by a so-called black man, as one of these Hebrew Israelites once told me. Also, King James (the namesake of their beloved translation) was a so-called black man, ya dig?
The whole subject is interesting to me - I really liked what R$E said about it a couple of posts back in the video.
Right. Point taken. I would point out, though, that, as I see it, there is a big difference between presenting the gospel in love, with full diplomacy in hopes of reaching, if not friendship then at least an amicable modus vivendi (lol), on the one hand, and fabricating a "dual covenant" theory, as apparently has been done not only by John Hagee but also the Roman Catholic Church in its "Nostra aetate." Even though St. Paul and others tirelessly preached Christ to Jews, with St. Stephen being martyred for it, Hagee and Bergoglio evidently have decided, these two millennia later, that they know better than St. Paul. Thus, while Jesus is still in large part reviled among especially the religious Jews of Israel, Hagee is beloved of AIPAC and wears a tinsel crown. You mention compromise, and I think that is what I am seeing.
I can tell that you know as well as I do that there is a wide gulf between diplomacy and compromise...
) are too scared to address stuff head on. Which is typical concerning this topic.
"people (or personWell one can look at the clowns who stand on the corner for attention usually following 501c3 backed organizations OR one could look into what the scriptures say about what they're saying. Nobody else matches the description of the Israelites other than blacks of the slave trade. And that's basing it off Deuteronomy 28. Nobody else in the world had their culture/way of life forcibly removed like blacks have. What group can say they were taken to another land into bondage? What group can say that one land oppressed their people for let's cut it short and say 200 years? And who can say that all these aforementioned things happened to them while at the same time their people looking similar to ancient egyptians? See that's a discussion based on scripture not clowns playing dress up on street corners. Most in here aren't even capable of doing that but they think because they don't believe it/make fun of it/refuse to look into it that it stops being true lol
And while they're misguided on who Esau is(not white), they're not when they say slavery is going to happen again. And I mean they're not wrong according to what the Bible says. Which most people ignore when convenient. I've never seen any detractor actually pick apart the arguments for the belief. All I see are lazy labeling of racist/black supremacist and veiled shots because people (or person
So maybe someone will actually pick apart the arguments being made by those saying blacks are Israelites. Or we can play dumb and pretend the God of Abraham forgot about his people and moved onto Christians/muslims. Or we can pretend that since those in power play dumb, that no one can know... Whichever works best I suppose but I'll gladly take refuge in Gods promises to NOT forget His people (the same "people" that always included gentiles by the way) and that He'd come back to restore His people's fortunes
) are too scared to address stuff head on. Which is typical concerning this topic."
No one is playing dumb or saying the God of Abraham forgot about anyone, we are saying that His plan has always been to open Salvation to everyone via the Christ or Messiah which He sent to Israel and whom they rejected. That God is NOT a Racist that only offers Salvation to people with a certain amount of pigment. People can go line by line refuting your Racist Ideology but does it matter? I mean we already have someone who has shown the verses you hold up the most was actually fulfilled via the Destruction of Jerusalem when the actual Jews were literally shipped off as Slaves again into Egypt and other parts of the World.
I wasn't referring to you in that to be clear. But if you really wanted understanding why not open up your bible and look at what people say supports their belief in who the Israelites are? I think that would be best."people (or person
Good to chat - I wanted to set up a thread to get to grips with the Biblical and Historical basis for the "Hebrew Israelites". Being a white, Grafted in Gentile, I had never come across anyone who thought that Jews were anything other than Jews or that black African Americans were anything different to me in Gods eyes.
Just trying to understand the "why" of it all here ..
Again go by the scriptures and not clowns playing dress up on street corners. And I say this with all due respect (kinda) to them because I'm sure some of them are well intentioned but scripture is clear that Gentiles were with the Israelites during the first exodus from Egypt. If this was the case (and it was) and Isaiah 56 says that foreigners can be accepted by God if they obey what Israel was told to, where's the racism again?
What culture? Europeans came and stripped all that from my people and left us with your white Jesus. What culture are you referring to?
Well like I said to the forever light guy, there wasn't European people walking around ancient Egypt blending in with dark skinned Egyptians. The ancient Egyptian, Ethiopian an Israelite were all said to look alike. If the israelite was white than so were the other two. And if the other two were white, then that means that so was ham. And if Ham is white, then where does that put blacks who for decades Christianity has been telling us is from Ham? I'm sure It'll be very difficult to have you address these clear discrepancies.
I would rather discuss it with you and then be shown the relevant scriptures and supporting historical and related data. As I said above, the subject is new to me, even though there was a related thread on the previous forum. I, unfortunately, never had a chance to review that one in its entirety before the board was closed. I have more leisure time now. Can you recommend any websites, overviews or documentaries which you consider even-handed and accurate? I want to be properly informed and trust you to help me in that regard. Thank you.
I don't have any documentaries or websites that I could recommend. All I can do is give you what I know to the best of my ability as I try to leave things at what the scriptures say and not what one ideology or religion says.
Im not hiding from anything, as I have stated in the past, this ideology is so far removed from reality and so inherently Racist that I cant be bothered to sit here and debate with you, I have much better use of my time than to try and convince you that you are not a Hebrew. You have already drank the Kool Aid and since it will literally be all about your personal identity beyond just a Religious Belief there will nothing I could ever do or show you that can break that spell from off of you. Only God Himself can show you how Racist, and how wrong your beliefs are, but considering that you fully and totally reject God and are Anti Christ that will take an absolute miracle, which I do hope and pray happens but arguing the ins and outs of this is pointless and a waste of time.
Ugh, what utter nonsense this is, there is literally hundreds of thousands of people in Africa that celebrate their own unique Cultures and Identity. What a load of garbage that Europeans stripped all your Culture, all you have to do is Google African Culture and there are literally billions of hits. It would be helpful for you to identify with your actual Culture than to try and hijack anothers Culture and claim it as your own. Again I can only see someone who is either ignorant of or ashamed of their own Culture trying to hijack others Culture to claim it as their own. Or another crazy thing, are you American? How many generations of your family have been in America? Guess what you can also claim American Culture as your own!!! Wow how insane is that!!!
That verse (and its interpretation) has always fascinated me...