I dont believe this is a deception in the Church, in fact I am more inclined to say that the opposite can result in deception, essentially into a Works Based Salvation. I was just reading a Blog about this Topic OSAS vs Apostasy and it explained a position I find to be the most Biblically Accurate and put into words or I guess gave framework to what I have always believed. I will explain it after I contend with some of the verses you have brought up, and in the end maybe we can see a position that hold both ideas in a light we both can agree on, maybe, hopefully...
I know Thunder addressed some of these, but I would like to give my understanding, as I dont necessarily with him because much of what he said relies on Pre Millennialism/Pre Trib as a basis for interpretation, whereas I definitely reject Pre Trib...
So you also quote another Scripture
Hebrews 6:4-8, with that in mind how can Paul say immediately after your proof text in Rom 11 concerning being cut off:
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
If being cut off means losing Salvation as you are quoting the Scripture to uphold, and Heb 6:4-8 says once someone were to fall away never to be restored again, then how can we have God grafting people who were "cut off" back into the vine? Apparently this says if they believe they will be grafted in. My proposition is this is not a good text to support your position, it has other theological holes in it, mainly it makes Rom 11:23 and Heb 6:4-8 conflict...
It is better to be understood that Rom is speaking about the election, Israel was the election, but because of unbelief they were removed from the election and now the Gentiles have been made to become included into the election by belief. If those of Israel were to Repent and Believe then they too can be grafted back in. If the Gentiles as a whole are to become like Israel where as a whole they are unbelieving then the Gentiles will also be cut off from the election of God. Here is this understanding a bit more fleshed out:
https://www.monergism.com/blog/do-cut-olive-branches-romans-11-definitively-prove-salvation-can-be-lost
Well this is extremely problematic for your position, in fact I cant believe you would ever quote it. If we take this to mean losing Salvation well we can see that Peter represents the very fact that Salvation can not be lost and maybe you dont understand falling away properly.
So let me ask, does Peter ever fall away? What does Jesus literally say to him right after making this confession?
Matt 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Well even tho Peter said he would never fall away, Jesus straight up tells him, you are going to fall away even before the night is over, and what happens? Of course we know Peter and ALL the Disciples fell away from Christ, so according to you they lost their Salvation correct? If you are asserting this Scripture supports losing Salvation then it must be they all lost Salvation.
And we know with Heb 6, that if they lost their Salvation then they can never get it back, however we know without a doubt that Peter is restored. So which is it, is this supporting losing Salvation or does falling away mean something different? Cant have both...
What this actually teaches very plainly is that we can all come to a point where we can fall away from Christ but just because we fall away means we have Lost our Salvation. It actually shows that we can be restored if we do fall away and that the Disciples Salvation was never Lost cuz you cant fall away from Salvation and ever come back according to Heb...
Honestly IDK why this translation has this, thats not correct, the correct translation would be:
Matt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
You can look up the Greek here, the word really doesnt mean fall away it means to put a snare in the way, cause to stumble or become an offense. In Context this is saying that many will be offended by Christ and therefore people will betray and hate one another, nothing to do with Losing Salvation...
So I am going to Context this verse with 2 verses that teach how we should view those that "fall away from the faith", and that would be:
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
What do these verses teach? That not all of those who were in Israel were actually of Israel, it is only those who believed that were actually Israel. In the same context John tells us that those who go out from the Church are not of the Church for if they had been of the Church then no doubt they would have continued with the Church, but they went out that they might be know that they were not all of the Church.
It is the basic understanding that if someone falls away, they were never Saved. Of course since we have debated this before and you want to contend people can lose their Salvation you are going to tell me that they really were part of the Church, I counter however that John is right and you are wrong. If they are part of the Church True Believers then they no doubt would continue in the Church.
I have more to say on this but I will leave that for the end and the other ideology to explain all of this hopefully in a way that we both can come to an agreement on...
I believe that you are taking this out of Context, why do you believe this is talking about Losing Salvation?
Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
I dont believe this has anything to do with Losing Salvation, and everything to do with making sure to GAIN Salvation. Paul is telling them to not harden their hearts as the Jews did in the wilderness and to make sure they dont get left out of the Rest by refusing to believe. Were the ones that came out of Egypt saved? Nope, not all that come out of Egypt by Moses made it into the Promise Land, only those who believed, and of that generation that would only be Joshua and Caleb. Belief is the central aspect of the Text, not Losing Salvation...
So here I dont agree with Thunder, this has nothing to do with Eschatology and I believe it will set a precedent in how we should view all of these supposed conflicting verses so I will address it more fully in a moment...
Dont know why you quote this, in my view this is actually supporting Eternal Salvation. Who are we? We are NOT of those that shrink back to destruction but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul!!! Amen, we dont fall away we are the perserving of the soul!!
Has nothing to do with Losing Salvation, this is saying that LOST people will heap to themselves teachers that tickle their ears so that they wont accept the Truth. And even if you want to conclude it is referring to Saved people as Thunder said, there is nothing of Losing their Salvation in that verse...
Nothing to do with Losing Salvation, who are we again Lisa? IDK about you but I am of those who has faith to the preserving of my soul!!
Nothing to do with Losing Salvation and your version sucks:
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
[QUOTE]Mark 13:13
You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.