Did Jesus Christ give christians license to sin ?

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2 Corinthians 5:7
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold new things have come.
Indeed.

Sometimes, the old things are wrong beliefs-- such as a belief that that we are condemned for something, when in reality, we are not condemned; we are dependent instead on the working of the Holy Spirit within us. We know that He is faithful and He will finish the good work He began in us (Phil. 1:6).* Our part is to believe Him.

If we could accomplish these things without Him, and walk into sinless perfection at Will, then I dare say, we would have no need of a Savior.

*For I am confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will continue to perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.


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Not to interrupt, but have you ever heard of the "three judgments" as they relate to the eschatological scenario(s)? I never had, but whether one accepts the idea or not, it's really quite interesting. @Red Sky at Morning provided a description, a graph, of them {click} here. In essence, as I understand, according to this scriptural interpretation, the parable of the judgment of the sheep and goats does not apply to everybody and is not the "White Throne" judgment, but applies only to those who, having missed out on the dispensation of salvation by grace prior to Jesus' 2nd coming, endure the "post-rapture" tribulation. I might not have that exactly correct.

I think, with this in mind, we are beyond elementary arithmetic and are venturing into the Set Theory of (Christian) Calculus, so I might not be able to keep up with the class. In any case, you might want to have a look, and I leave it to you and others to discuss.
Yes I used to be all about Christian Calculus, but truth be told I could recite most of the formulas but never truly understood them. Apparently I am not as brilliant as the likes of some others on the forum. I guess you could say I've opted for the pre-school version of Christian Theology. (Matthew 18:1-2, Matthew 19:14)

Those type of teachings are theories based on alot of inferences and assumptions. You can't find direct explicit teaching of them in the Bible. They are only necessary if you are trying to remove all the contradictions in the Bible. Although it's not popular amongst the instutional churches and the majority of the Christians, I ascribe to the simplest explanation is the most likely (Occam's razor). The simplest explanation is that the Bible while inspired of God is not completely infallible. (I do believe the direct words of God and the words of Jesus recorded in the bible are infallible).

When you come to that conclusion it is a much simpler task to determine the direct quotes that Yahweh and the Messiah spoke then it is to discern and judge all the competing, infered doctrines and theories. I am finding there are much fewer apparent contradictions when you take this approach and the need for inference, theories and mental gymnastics is greatly reduced.
 
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What of it? Do you even realize what that is saying in Matthew 25? It actually reinforces that salvation is by faith, NOT works.

The ones cast into outer darkness were not saved; they were UNBELIEVERS.

Back up & read the whole chapter.

The first 5 virgins were READY. They were called wise. They had oil in their lamps. (Throughout the Bible oil represents the Holy Spirit). When they knocked, Jesus opened the door & immediately let them in...because He KNEW them.(They were saved).

The other 5 virgins, who were called foolish,
did NOT have oil in their lamps (No Holy Spirit; they were NOT saved). They didn’t BELIEVE on Christ, and if you notice, they tried to go back & BUY oil (salvation CANNOT be purchased). When they approached the door & knocked, Jesus would NOT let them in. He said He didn’t know them. They start listing off all their WORKS that they had done in His name but He doesn’t open the door because works CANNOT save. They didn’t BELIEVE on Him & now it’s too late. He has locked the door & He doesn’t know them so they will NOT enter in.

Why doesn’t He know them? Because they didn’t believe, they were never born again.
They tried to work their way into Heaven instead of going HIS WAY. They had NO FAITH.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. .....Matthew 7:21-23

We find the same thing in Luke:

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity. ....Luke 13:23-27

Notice verses 26-27 above? They claim to know Him, through their WORKS, but He tells them to DEPART, they had no faith, their WORKS therefore were of iniquity.

When you BELIEVE on Christ, you are born again as a son or daughter of God & He knows His children:

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. .....John 1:11-13
 

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not giving me a clear answer.

Once you become "born again" do you still continue to sin or do you sin no more?

If I lie before I become "born again" would I stop lying after I become "born again" or would I still lie?
The word is "born again". Just as a new-born doesn't go through all life's stages in a single day, the same laws apply spiritually. Growth is required.

As i previously stated, addictions or bad behaviors aren't gotten rid of in day. And even if the story may be an interpolation, we both know "Go sin no more" is something that God requires of us in this lifetime. Why? Logic dictates that you aren't going to magically become a saint, incapable of sin come J-Day. We are free-willed beings and we will retain our free-will in the age to come. Since free-will makes rebellion possible, clearly, you aren't going to carry on your career of crime once you cross into heaven and make everyone miserable. The transformation begins here and now.

Jesus wouldn't have said that to her if indeed it was impossible. Did He expect the transformation in day? No. Nevertheless, it's a spiritual state He presented to her that had to be attained (by His grace ofcourse). We have to get to that point where we abhor sin so much that we will not willfully sin. To sin is to destroy.
Love doesn't harm its neighbour, therefore love is the fulfilment of the law.
 

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What of it? Do you even realize what that is saying in Matthew 25? It actually reinforces that salvation is by faith, NOT works.

The ones cast into outer darkness were not saved; they were UNBELIEVERS.

Back up & read the whole chapter.

The first 5 virgins were READY. They were called wise. They had oil in their lamps. (Throughout the Bible oil represents the Holy Spirit). When they knocked, Jesus opened the door & immediately let them in...because He KNEW them.(They were saved).

The other 5 virgins, who were called foolish,
did NOT have oil in their lamps (No Holy Spirit; they were NOT saved). They didn’t BELIEVE on Christ, and if you notice, they tried to go back & BUY oil (salvation CANNOT be purchased). When they approached the door & knocked, Jesus would NOT let them in. He said He didn’t know them. They start listing off all their WORKS that they had done in His name but He doesn’t open the door because works CANNOT save. They didn’t BELIEVE on Him & now it’s too late. He has locked the door & He doesn’t know them so they will NOT enter in.

Why doesn’t He know them? Because they didn’t believe, they were never born again.
They tried to work their way into Heaven instead of going HIS WAY. They had NO FAITH.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. .....Matthew 7:21-23

We find the same thing in Luke:

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity. ....Luke 13:23-27

Notice verses 26-27 above? They claim to know Him, through their WORKS, but He tells them to DEPART, they had no faith, their WORKS therefore were of iniquity.

When you BELIEVE on Christ, you are born again as a son or daughter of God & He knows His children:

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. .....John 1:11-13
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You never addressed the passage I listed. You started going on about other passages. The one passage you do mention that is about works are all works that are self promoting whereas the works in the passage I am asking about are selfless acts of living our neighbors which is a direct command from Jesus.

The point being that passage clearly differentiates the sheep and goats by what they did or didn’t do (live our neighbors as ourselves) There is no interpretation necessary... it’s clear as day!
 
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What of it? Do you even realize what that is saying in Matthew 25? It actually reinforces that salvation is by faith, NOT works.

The ones cast into outer darkness were not saved; they were UNBELIEVERS.

Back up & read the whole chapter.

The first 5 virgins were READY. They were called wise. They had oil in their lamps. (Throughout the Bible oil represents the Holy Spirit). When they knocked, Jesus opened the door & immediately let them in...because He KNEW them.(They were saved).

The other 5 virgins, who were called foolish,
did NOT have oil in their lamps (No Holy Spirit; they were NOT saved). They didn’t BELIEVE on Christ, and if you notice, they tried to go back & BUY oil (salvation CANNOT be purchased). When they approached the door & knocked, Jesus would NOT let them in. He said He didn’t know them. They start listing off all their WORKS that they had done in His name but He doesn’t open the door because works CANNOT save. They didn’t BELIEVE on Him & now it’s too late. He has locked the door & He doesn’t know them so they will NOT enter in.

Why doesn’t He know them? Because they didn’t believe, they were never born again.
They tried to work their way into Heaven instead of going HIS WAY. They had NO FAITH.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. .....Matthew 7:21-23

We find the same thing in Luke:

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity. ....Luke 13:23-27

Notice verses 26-27 above? They claim to know Him, through their WORKS, but He tells them to DEPART, they had no faith, their WORKS therefore were of iniquity.

When you BELIEVE on Christ, you are born again as a son or daughter of God & He knows His children:

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. .....John 1:11-13

blah, blah, blah.....
source or effect, clearly works are not irrelevant. I'm tired of Pauline Christians who think works are not relevant at all.
This link is a weak attempt to try and reconcile the gospels of Paul and Jesus.
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You never addressed the passage I listed. You started going on about other passages. The one passage you do mention that is about works are all works that are self promoting whereas the works in the passage I am asking about are selfless acts of living our neighbors which is a direct command from Jesus.

The point being that passage clearly differentiates the sheep and goats by what they did or didn’t do (live our neighbors as ourselves) There is no interpretation necessary... it’s clear as day!
I addressed it in the beginning. The ones cast into outer darkness were goats....unsaved/unbelievers.

You can (& should) love your neighbor. But that does NOT save you.

You keep emphasizing works & good deeds. That does NOT save. Unless you BELIEVE the Gospel & are already saved, all the good deeds in the world mean NOTHING to God. They are useless if you aren’t fully trusting in what Jesus Christ ALREADY DID to save you from Hell.

Lay aside your pride for a moment. It isn’t about YOU. You can do NOTHING to save yourself.
It is about Jesus Christ, who ALREADY paid for your sins on the Cross to purchase your soul from Hell.
If you just BELIEVED that, you would be saved.
 

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I addressed it in the beginning. The ones cast into outer darkness were goats....unsaved/unbelievers.
Yes and the answer they were given by JESUS why they were goats is because they didn't feed, clothe, give drink or visit others, which are all types works. Why is that so difficult to understand? If the reason Jesus considered them goats was because they did not accept the gospel of grace why did he not say that instead of bringing up the works they didn't do?

And according to the verse they thought they were christians because they called Jesus "Lord" and asked when they didn't feed, clothe, give drink or visit Jesus. Are you are so blinded by your cheap grace only doctrine that you can't see what is right in front of you plain and simple?

You keep emphasizing works & good deeds. That does NOT save. Unless you BELIEVE the Gospel & are already saved, They are useless if you aren’t fully trusting in what Jesus Christ ALREADY DID to save you from Hell.
change that last word from "Hell" to the "power of sin" and would totally agree with that sentence. Works without faith in what Christ already did are useless. I have never, ever said otherwise!

If good deeds mean nothing to God, as you proclaim, why did Jesus say Love your neighbor as yourself? These are the deeds I am speaking about, not tithing or going to church or saying the rosary and other useless religious rituals.
It is about Jesus Christ, who ALREADY paid for your sins on the Cross to purchase your soul from Hell.
If you just BELIEVED that, you would be saved.
I do beleive that, but just as James said if I have no works then my faith is dead!
 

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Yes and the answer they were given by JESUS why they were goats is because they didn't feed, clothe, give drink or visit others, which are all types works. Why is that so difficult to understand? If the reason Jesus considered them goats was because they did not accept the gospel of grace why did he not say that instead of bringing up the works they didn't do?

And according to the verse they thought they were christians because they called Jesus "Lord" and asked when they didn't feed, clothe, give drink or visit Jesus. Are you are so blinded by your cheap grace only doctrine that you can't see what is right in front of you plain and simple?


change that last word from "Hell" to the "power of sin" and would totally agree with that sentence. Works without faith in what Christ already did are useless. I have never, ever said otherwise!

If good deeds mean nothing to God, as you proclaim, why did Jesus say Love your neighbor as yourself? These are the deeds I am speaking about, not tithing or going to church or saying the rosary and other useless religious rituals.

I do beleive that, but just as James said if I have no works then my faith is dead!
Because you will know them by their deeds-- or their fruit-- which is what?
Evidence of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. You did not feed me.. clothe me.. we can say, therefore, as evidenced by the lack of good fruit, there is no indwelling of the Holy Spirit. They thought they were Christians because they called Jesus Lord-- to borrow a word from you, maybe it is the talk that is cheap.
If someone is not so moved, from their heart (and God knows the heart), to help even the least of these, would that not be evidence that they do not belong to Him? Apparently, it would.




 

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The word is "born again". Just as a new-born doesn't go through all life's stages in a single day, the same laws apply spiritually. Growth is required.

As i previously stated, addictions or bad behaviors aren't gotten rid of in day. And even if the story may be an interpolation, we both know "Go sin no more" is something that God requires of us in this lifetime. Why? Logic dictates that you aren't going to magically become a saint, incapable of sin come J-Day. We are free-willed beings and we will retain our free-will in the age to come. Since free-will makes rebellion possible, clearly, you aren't going to carry on your career of crime once you cross into heaven and make everyone miserable. The transformation begins here and now.

Jesus wouldn't have said that to her if indeed it was impossible. Did He expect the transformation in day? No. Nevertheless, it's a spiritual state He presented to her that had to be attained (by His grace ofcourse). We have to get to that point where we abhor sin so much that we will not willfully sin. To sin is to destroy.
Love doesn't harm its neighbour, therefore love is the fulfilment of the law.
Contradiction. Rainerann, claimed that once you become born again you don't sin anymore but yet here you are saying, which I agree with you, that you're not going to stop sinning come Judgement Day.

You can't claim to be sinners while stating at the same time that once you're born again you don't sin.

Just let go of your ego. I admire your loyalty to Rainerann but what she said was completely illogical and pure stupidity. No one stops sinning regardless if you become born again, Muslim, Hindu, and or etc. All we can do is try to stop sinning and genuinely repent for the sins we do commit and try to do good and have faith in the Lord.
 

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In Genesis, it says that Noah found grace in the eyes of The Lord.
It says he found grace.. because, he was considered by God to be a just man:

Genesis
6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the "I AM".
6:9 These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God.

It shows that Noah's faith was real. Noah lived it. Do we read anywhere that Noah was focused on desperately wanting to be let off the hook for everything, and wanted to be freed from all personal responsibility for his actions, so that he could be free to continue on sinning with impunity right up to the end so he could then be "saved by grace alone"? No.. it doesn't say that. It says Noah walked the walk. It says Noah behaved himself different, it says he walked with God. His faith proved to be real.

Noah stood out for his faith, even though he knew that it meant being different. People ridiculed him for his faith and thought he was crazy. But because of his faith he was making different choices in life than the people around him were making. Noah's faith was not just a talk for him. It inspired him and caused him to take real-life action. He lived his faith.. he "walked the walk".. his faith caused him to end up behaving different...

"And that's the reason the Scripture records, that Noah found grace in the eyes of The Lord..."
 

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Contradiction. Rainerann, claimed that once you become born again you don't sin anymore but yet here you are saying, which I agree with you, that you're not going to stop sinning come Judgement Day.

You can't claim to be sinners while stating at the same time that once you're born again you don't sin.

Just let go of your ego. I admire your loyalty to Rainerann but what she said was completely illogical and pure stupidity. No one stops sinning regardless if you become born again, Muslim, Hindu, and or etc. All we can do is try to stop sinning and genuinely repent for the sins we do commit and try to do good and have faith in the Lord.
You can stop sinning. Jesus didn't say to go and "try". He said, go and sin no more.

An attitude of "all we can do is try" is just another way of saying you are not really willing to do what is necessary to stop whatever it is, and will only guarantee that you will definitely fail again. That would be defeatist, and cause you to be defeated even before you start.

"Do, or do not. There is no try" - Yoda
 

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You can stop sinning. Jesus didn't say to go and "try". He said, go and sin no more.

An attitude of "all we can do is try" is just another way of saying you are not really willing to do what is necessary to stop whatever it is, and will only guarantee that you will definitely fail again. That would be defeatist, and cause you to be defeated even before you start.

"Do, or do not. There is no try" - Yoda
I believe Jesus saying "go and sin no more" was just a figure of speech in which he was trying to get her to stop sinning but obviously he knows it's impossible for a human to be perfect.

Of course, I believe we should try our utmost best to try not to sin but we're humans and we fall from time to time no matter how perfect we might feel we are or are you saying that you never sin?
 

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I believe Jesus saying "go and sin no more" was just a figure of speech in which he was trying to get her to stop sinning but obviously he knows it's impossible for a human to be perfect.
No, it means exactly what it says, because Jesus further said in Matthew 5:48,
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect."

That is therefore the goal that God wants each of us to have. There were no if's, and's or but's added... and Jesus knew exactly who he was talking to! That is therefore clearly what God wants for us. But He doesn't just say to us, go and do this, go and do that, and then leaves us alone. Because He is there with us, even if we may not realise it. He is always there with us and only He has the the power to save us (He is always with us, but we are not always with Him - so if we sin then the problem lies with us).

Jesus further said, that we have to become like children in order to enter The Kingdom. What do children do? They trust. You tell a little child something is possible, and they will believe you, even if they can't yet see how, because they will put their whole and full trust you. In that situation, you may know from experience that what the child can't understand yet as being possible for them, is indeed going to be possible. We therefore have to trust God in the same way if we want to succeed, because He knows what we do not know.

It's important therefore to also learn to have a good attitude and not fall into defeatist thinking (all of which is lies, coming from satan).

If God says something is possible, shall any man then be able to say otherwise? No. As Paul said, "Let God be true, and every man be a liar."

Of course, I believe we should try our utmost best to try not to sin but we're humans and we fall from time to time no matter how perfect we might feel we are or are you saying that you never sin?
Understood. No, was not saying that or claiming to be perfect, but saying that it is definitely possible to do what God asks, because with Him all things are possible, and that we therefore have to be striving:

Philippians
3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the Knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,
3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of The Law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the "dead".
3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended by Christ Jesus.
3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but [this] one thing [I do], forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
3:15 Let us therefore, as many as [want to] be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Would share with you something I was taught, just in case interested... that instead of saying you "try", a much better word to use is you "strive".
Muslims for instance talk about Jihad, which I believe means to strive, to struggle - it's the struggle against one's "self" and the goal is to eventually defeat and then overcome it. That is why we are here, that is actually the point of this life. That, to work on defeating the "self" (which is only possible with God's help), is the first and most important jihad. If we strive and don't ever give up, then it means the goal is to succeed and that will then be the eventual outcome, God Willing. But, if we only "try"... then we might as well give up before we start.

How do we know what sin is? Sin is defined as transgression of The Law (1 John 3:4), so it is important that we read and study God's Law in the Scriptures in order to learn what sin is. God's Law shows us the goalposts and the difference between right and wrong. And it is not impossible to learn to keep God's Laws, because God says so and He also teaches us to know His Laws and His Ways, from within (so we will know, if we listen).

Only God can teach each person how to be perfect, in His eyes, because only He knows what we are capable of and also what exactly it is that He wants us to learn.

Fasting is a very effective method for overcoming the "self" (fast), because fasting is the starving out of "self". Jesus demonstrated and taught fasting to his followers by Example, by Fasting 40+ days on water only, before beginning his ministry. The Qur'an also tells Muslims to fast during Ramadan, as it teaches "self" restraint.

So, it a tool for growth that we can and should be using, likewise.

Even short fasts can be very helpful, both for the mind and the body. There are many incredible health benefits to fasting, as the body begins to rapidly expel toxins and cleanse itself out of accumulated toxins and diseased tissue during the process. Many people have been able to completely heal themselves of even serious illnesses like cancers, etc. through fasting.

But, that is just a side effect, as the real and true benefits of fasting are of a spiritual nature.
 
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That wasn't really an answer to my question.
Okay, but it is still true, though.
It is fear that stops people. Fear of failure, or whatever fear it may be, but it is fear at its root.
Fear as opposed to Faith (that it can be done, simply because, God says it can).
 

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Gandhi recognized the importance of fasting and thereby gained spiritual insight.

See: [The Day of Atonement, by Hannah Michaels]
Gandhi is in Hell, all of his supposed Good Works got him nothing and nowhere except Hell, which is why he is a perfect example of what we are saying about Works. They do nothing if you are not Born Again and Saved by Christ and have His Blood applied to you.

blah, blah, blah.....
source or effect, clearly works are not irrelevant. I'm tired of Pauline Christians who think works are not relevant at all.
This link is a weak attempt to try and reconcile the gospels of Paul and Jesus.
Blah blah blah, I am tried of Non Christians trying to misrepresent our position concerning Works. We all agree that Works are needed, that Works are amazing and good!! We love Works, how can you not if you read the Word of God?

Rom 2;9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

1 Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1 Cor 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

2 Cor 6:6 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

2 Cor 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

Gal 6;4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

1 Thes 5:12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

2 Thes 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.


Everyday I hope to do the Work of the Lord, what blessing and promises are fulfilled when we Work the Work of the Lord!!! Everyday I try (although I fail much of the time) to Work in all things for the Glory of Christ! I want to have fruitful Works, I want to rejoice in the Works done for the Lord, I want to see Grace abound in my life as do the Works of the Lord!!

I dont understand why Non Christians are so quick to accuse us of the false premise that we think Works mean nothing? They mean much, very much, I mean every Christian has been given a Work to do for the Lord! Our lives are a constant and continual Work for the Glory of God, so that His Will is done, so that His Light is seen by the World. Each member of the Church has a Ministry, that Ministry is a Work!! The Work God has given me is of utmost importance, if I put it off I will suffer, those around me will suffer, people may end up not hearing the Gospel!! How could anyone profess to be a Christian and NOT believe that we have a Work and that Work is of utmost importance?

I dont think any Born Again believer, who reads the Word of God could possibly come away thinking that Works mean nothing!!!

The difference is strictly in Justification before God in Salvation and THAT IS IT!!! There is no Work that we can ever do that merits our Salvation, it is impossible for us to Work for Gods Salvation. It is given FREELY no string attached, only to Repent (change their mind) and Believe on Christ for Salvation! We are given Salvation by Grace thru Faith and NOT of Works lest we boast before God saying look what I have done, you should let me into Heaven. And that is the EXACT place all those who Work for Heaven place themselves, God you need to let me in because of what I have done.

I dont deserve Heaven, I have broken the Law of God (in whatever measure you want to equate it) and all I have ever deserved was Wrath and Hell, but God so loved me that He knew I could NEVER work or earn a place in His Presence that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to do all the WORK necessary for me to be Justified before God. The only thing required of me is to believe this, and if I do then the Work of Jesus is given to me, as tho I have done this perfect Work.

That is the ONLY place where Christians dont see Works as a necessary part of anything, Salvation and Salvation Alone. In all other areas of life, Works are needed, wanted, great and wonderful! Please Non Christians stop misrepresent our actual beliefs and inferring your incorrect understandings upon us...
 
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