The Blasphemy Challenge and the Mark of the Beast

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The Bible says that anyone who commits blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be able to repent of this.

"but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—"(Mark 3:29).

We know that there was sin that could lead to death at the time of the early church (1 John 5:17).

This is similar to the way taking the mark of the beast is described. The prophecy says that if you take the mark of the beast, you will not be able to repent of this and receive forgiveness.

"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”(Revelation 14:11).

Is there a connection to all of these verses? I have been considering a connection between them because of a teaching within Islam that says that Muhammad is the comforter that is described in the Gospel.

First, it is important to note that the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not a sin that is collective. You cannot even convert to Islam and be considered guilty of this. I don't even know how far one would have to go in believing that Muhammad is the comforter that was sent after Jesus before it would become blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I just know it does become blasphemy because Muhammad is being called the Holy Spirit in defense of this teaching at some point.

If you really believe this is true, this is something that can't be forgiven in the same way as taking the mark. This would be a predecessor of the mark that will be imposed or a sin that leads to death like John was talking about.

However, the reality of this does not prove that Islam will be the one implementing the mark referred to in the prophecy. Jesus himself was warning the people to avoid this when he was still alive which is demonstrated by people replacing the Holy Spirit with Muhammad. Therefore, this doesn't mean that Islam will increase or be the one to implement the mark.

Recently, blaspheming the Holy Spirit was trending among atheists. There was something called "The Blasphemy Challenge" and people were posting videos to YouTube where they would literally blaspheme the Holy Spirit for everyone to see.

Here is a news report on it. I truly find most of the videos too offensive to post.


Therefore, I think it is possible to consider that taking the mark requires blaspheming the Holy Spirit and this is why is it will not be forgiven according to the warning given by Christ to avoid this. I do not feel dogmatic about it. I don't know how this would be integrated into a requirement to buy or sell, but we can see demonstrations of this sin taking place, and the two are given the same consequence according to scripture.

I have been considering this possibility for a little while now because I feel that most prophetic interpretations need to be simplified. We live in an age of technology that would have been foreign to the writers of prophecy and it is easy to get carried away with excessive conclusions in our attempt to reconcile the differences.

Although, maybe none of it is as extravagant as we think. It is usually more challenging to understand something simple than something complex. Just like the history of understanding the atom. I have always found it fascinating how many different ideas people had for what the structure of an atom looked like.

No one automatically considered whether an atom might look like a smaller version of the universe itself. It had to be different because we tend to make things more complicated than they need to be. Anyways, that is the end of my metaphor and the end of my reflection for the moment. I truly am not trying to cause anyone to be offended. I am just trying to simplify the discussion on the subject of the mark of the beast.
 

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I always find it hilarious when polytheists and pagans open their mouths because you then know that you're in for a treat in what most of us can call bullshit.

For example, how can one blaspheme against Casper the Ghost if he's a whole different god who doesn't even know the hour of Judgement Day. Also, if you believe in Jesus as your man god it doesn't matter if you blaspheme against Casper because you're automatically saved lol.
 
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@rainerann did Mohammed SAW ever claim to be the holy spirit?
nonetheless, the John 16 prophecy...what Jesus said...was fulfilled through islam and the Quranic revelation and the prophecies and teachings of Prophet Mohammad.
the holy spirit, always acts through people....so it makes sense it would act through a person.
'speak only what he hears' can only happen through a person.
'bring you ALL the truth'...this only happened through the Quran.

fact on every level imaginable.

read my posts to see what islam really says bout the holy spirit.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/is-jesus-the-begotten-son-of-god.2047/page-6#post-78704
 

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@rainerann

I've posted this before, but changing ones DNA-- there is no going back from that. Could be that is the Mark. Reading on the Singularity, human genome project, etc., it's easy to see how this could be a possibility. I'm not sure how that would blaspheme the Holy Spirit, but it only resides within mankind. Changing DNA would essentially make you uninhabitable, no longer being the temple of God.
 

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I've posted this before, but changing ones DNA-- there is no going back from that. Could be that is the Mark. Reading on the Singularity, human genome project, etc., it's easy to see how this could be a possibility. I'm not sure how that would blaspheme the Holy Spirit, but it only resides within mankind. Changing DNA would essentially make you uninhabitable, no longer being the temple of God.
I have heard this before. I even considered something like a vaccine as the mark because people could be intimidated into taking this because they are afraid of catching some kind of plague. However, there is just no defining line that separates now from then. I mean, we are already experiencing genetic changes from different forms of technology. Radiation can change DNA, so where do we draw the line in order to protect ourselves.

I think about this all the time because I work in healthcare. I have been required to take vaccines to work where I do and I don't know whether these have a genetic effect on me. I strongly believe they do already have an effect on genetics. This is part of what is bringing me to this consideration because we are already undergoing genetic changes. The Bible says the antichrist is a Spirit and blaspheming the Holy Spirit would be following this beast in Spirit rather than following the Spirit of God. It has to be more deliberate. It can't be something vague like an unknown amount of genetic change.

Another organization that would potentially be interested in blaspheming the Holy Spirit would be Zionists if they ever were able to gain control without accepting Christ. It would be in their interest to require a one world religion in this way as well. This just isn't something that only certain people are interested in. Many people are willing to do this for a variety of reasons demonstrated by rejecting the Holy Spirit in Islam and the atheists taking the blasphemy challenge. Therefore, it is reasonable to consider the possibility that people would be willing to do this in order to be allowed to buy or sell if we can prove that people demonstrate a willingness to do this within a wide enough variety of interests, cultures, etc like the contrast created by an atheist and a Muslim does.
 

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I have heard this before. I even considered something like a vaccine as the mark because people could be intimidated into taking this because they are afraid of catching some kind of plague. However, there is just no defining line that separates now from then. I mean, we are already experiencing genetic changes from different forms of technology. Radiation can change DNA, so where do we draw the line in order to protect ourselves.

I think about this all the time because I work in healthcare. I have been required to take vaccines to work where I do and I don't know whether these have a genetic effect on me. I strongly believe they do already have an effect on genetics. This is part of what is bringing me to this consideration because we are already undergoing genetic changes. The Bible says the antichrist is a Spirit and blaspheming the Holy Spirit would be following this beast in Spirit rather than following the Spirit of God. It has to be more deliberate. It can't be something vague like an unknown amount of genetic change.

Another organization that would potentially be interested in blaspheming the Holy Spirit would be Zionists if they ever were able to gain control without accepting Christ. It would be in their interest to require a one world religion in this way as well. This just isn't something that only certain people are interested in. Many people are willing to do this for a variety of reasons demonstrated by rejecting the Holy Spirit in Islam and the atheists taking the blasphemy challenge. Therefore, it is reasonable to consider the possibility that people would be willing to do this in order to be allowed to buy or sell if we can prove that people demonstrate a willingness to do this within a wide enough variety of interests, cultures, etc like the contrast created by an atheist and a Muslim does.
I agree on this especially--

It has to be more deliberate. It can't be something vague like an unknown amount of genetic change.

It has to be a concious decision. The water supply would have been tainted in the extreme or something otherwise. :p

And idk about Zionists in particular, but those in Power, to be sure, could easily convince people to take the Mark with something as simple as satire. Kind of like that Hulu commercial where they pretty much admit exactly what they're doing. Mockery works for a lot of people who fear being stigmatized. And yeah, if they don't believe that *we are* the temple of God, in which the Holy Spirit resides, then what's to lose?

 

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This is an interesting topic. Thanks @rainerann for posting this.

I believe that Jesus was speaking specifically to the Pharisees that were accusing him of being possessed by Satan. Jesus was telling them that their sin against the Holy Spirit he was filled with would not be forgiven them. They had been watching him casting out demons and healing people and were saying among themselves that he was doing it by the power of Beelzebub. "He hath an unclean spirit," they said. Jesus knew what they were saying and called them out, then told them they were damned for it.

The idea of being lost, beyond hope of salvation, is the most terrible thing I can think of. The passage gives me chills as I read it. I believe that from the resurrection of Jesus Christ until the Rapture, there is no way you can be beyond hope, and once you are saved there is no way for you to be "unsaved". But this kind of salvation was not available at the time Jesus was physically on the earth, and it will not be available when he returns.

I don't think this passage in Mark means that this was the only time someone was denied the hope of salvation. We know that Saul had God's spirit removed from him, and even King David prayed "take not thy holy spirit from me." Praise God we don't have any need of that prayer today!

As I said, the salvation we have right now is unique. We are sealed eternally by the Holy Spirit. We can commit any sin, including the blasphemy challenge, and still be saved. Believers in other ages, including the Tribulation, can lose the Spirit. We can't.

I think the mark of the beast is a counterfeit of the sealing of the Holy Spirit. It's not going to be something that can coexist in any way with the Holy Spirit, and it whatever form the mark takes, it will be permanent.
 

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This is similar to the way taking the mark of the beast is described. The prophecy says that if you take the mark of the beast, you will not be able to repent of this and receive forgiveness.

"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”(Revelation 14:11).
Those who worship the beast will be damned. Who is the beast ?

Those who worship the image of the beast will be damned. What is the image of the beast ?

Those who receive the mark of the beast will be damned. What is the mark of the beast ?



I have been considering this possibility for a little while now because I feel that most prophetic interpretations need to be simplified. We live in an age of technology that would have been foreign to the writers of prophecy and it is easy to get carried away with excessive conclusions in our attempt to reconcile the differences.
The prophets watched our high tech civilisation and had a hard time describing it.
 

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The idea of being lost, beyond hope of salvation, is the most terrible thing I can think of. The passage gives me chills as I read it. I believe that from the resurrection of Jesus Christ until the Rapture, there is no way you can be beyond hope, and once you are saved there is no way for you to be "unsaved". But this kind of salvation was not available at the time Jesus was physically on the earth, and it will not be available when he returns.
What rapture ?

As I said, the salvation we have right now is unique. We are sealed eternally by the Holy Spirit. We can commit any sin, including the blasphemy challenge, and still be saved. Believers in other ages, including the Tribulation, can lose the Spirit. We can't.
O boy are you serious ?
 

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Those who worship the beast will be damned. Who is the beast ?
- Michelle Obama [First Transgender US President 2020] lol

2020 poll: Run Michelle Obama Run!
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/2020-poll-run-michelle-obama-run/article/2639083

Those who worship the image of the beast will be damned. What is the image of the beast ?
- Supporting/Idolizing Transgender Michelle Obama's image [similar to worshiping/idolizing music industry celebrities]

Those who receive the mark of the beast will be damned. What is the mark of the beast ?
- A Microchip on the right hand [or forehead] and this somehow immediately marked you as a Reprobate.

Wisconsin company to install rice-sized microchips in employees
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/nation-now/2017/07/24/wisconsin-company-install-rice-sized-microchips-employees/503867001/

Just a wild thought, nothing serious. Like to hear what's your opinion.
:D:D:D
 
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What rapture ?
2 Thessalonians 2:1King James Version (KJV)
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

1 Thessalonians 4:17King James Version (KJV)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:31King James Version (KJV)
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


O boy are you serious ?
Ephesians 4:30King James Version (KJV)
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 1:22King James Version (KJV)
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13King James Version (KJV)
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
 

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- A Microchip on the right hand and this somehow immediately marked you as a Reprobate.

Just a wild thought, nothing serious. Like to hear what's your opinion.
:D:D:D

Yes the mark of the beast is a microchip.



Now the beast is a composite creature made up of lion bear and leopard. And these represent the British empire the Russian empire and the German empire. And they are all ruled by the same royal family and is the continuation of the Roman empire.

What is significant with this beast is that one of his heads was wounded by the sword but somehow survived and will surprise the whole world. Know that this is the revived Third reich and do not wonder as the nazi just went underground after WWII.

The second beast which is Islam will exercise the authority of the revived Third reich and do not be surprised about this as Germany and Turkey were allies in WWI. In fact Islam suits the nazis just fine !

The image of the beast sounds like AI and so it is.
 

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Yes the mark of the beast is a microchip.



Now the beast is a composite creature made up of lion bear and leopard. And these represent the British empire the Russian empire and the German empire. And they are all ruled by the same royal family and is the continuation of the Roman empire.

What is significant with this beast is that one of his heads was wounded by the sword but somehow survived and will surprise the whole world. Know that this is the revived Third reich and do not wonder as the nazi just went underground after WWII.

The second beast which is Islam will exercise the authority of the revived Third reich and do not be surprised about this as Germany and Turkey were allies in WWI. In fact Islam suits the nazis just fine !

The image of the beast sounds like AI and so it is.
Microchip can be removed though.
 

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Matthew 24:31King James Version (KJV)
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Remember these are the elect who number 144 000 while christians will be persecuted and rounded up in concentration camps.


Ephesians 4:30King James Version (KJV)
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
If you grieve the Holy spirit with willful sins He will certainly leave you in the dust.
 

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You should create a thread about "who is the elect" and we can discuss it there.

Remember these are the elect who number 144 000 while christians will be persecuted and rounded up in concentration camps.
Elect = those that are IN CHRIST [saved]

Colossians 3:11-12King James Version (KJV)
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

If you grieve the Holy spirit with willful sins He will certainly leave you in the dust.
verse?
 
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