Islam as the end times 'beast'/Islam critical thread

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Let me just point out that Arabic has many different writing styles so the ‘666’ thing literally doesn’t make any sense. I write ‘Allah’ and all the phrases you’ve included above in a different style that doesn’t even resemble the above writing style or the ‘666, 6 or 13’. I’m sorry but this so stupid it’s not even funny.
 

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Is Snopes a credible and authoritative source of information?
  • Snopes now has a hired team of suspect fact checkers who collaborate to debunk falsehoods that are trending on the internet.
https://foodbabe.com/2017/02/24/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

Snopes is the organization created to debunk fake news because of Pizzagate. As a result, I had already read the articles that are posted from Snopes in this thread and disregarded them as not close enough to the source. Snopes is third party reporting that has no accountability for what they determine is fact or fiction. They may as well be comparable to the introduction of the ministry of truth from 1984.

Vixy's articles are closer to the source and if anyone would bother reading them and translating them, they are fair in their assesment. It basically says what Vixy is saying about how investigations are being neglected and there is some demonstratable cover up of the crimes that are increasing throughout the area. She is saying that she has noticed a difference in the disposition of her neighborhood since they started taking in migrants. There is nothing fantastical or excessive in the stories. They are a little graphic. However, this does not indicate that something is a lie. This thread probably needs a break though. Everyone needs to take a deep breath.
 

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https://www.hd.se/2017-12-19/ung-man-skjuten-pa-soder

Another shooting 8,5 hours ago. The victim was 20 years old. Not surprising since the young arabs on town gather around certain places at night and it gets stirred up.

But w8... We have no arabic related crime! I'm making this all up and our local and head papers are with me! :eek: I must have some power, huh? ;)
 

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LOL! 193.000? We've taken in LOOOADS more than that! Where I live we are FOUR swedes and the rest arabs. Let me ask you; have you been to these neighbourhoods? Have you SEEN what its like here? Don't tell me what my neighbourhood looks like when you sit behind your computer and havent been here. I live it DAILY! I See the effin bombs exploding and the robberies, my friend sitting around the table with a black eye having been robbed on his phone in the park, I see the police bands everywhere from the shootings and stabbings so dont EVER tell me it's not true! We have so many murders the police dont have time to solve them anymore and no time to investigate the r*pe reports so they just close them, there is no time and too little staff for all the crime going on. You could come here but you'd go home friggin crying your eyes out, shit scared. I dare you to try it for a week!
Is Snopes a credible and authoritative source of information?
  • Snopes now has a hired team of suspect fact checkers who collaborate to debunk falsehoods that are trending on the internet.
https://foodbabe.com/2017/02/24/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

Snopes is the organization created to debunk fake news because of Pizzagate. As a result, I had already read the articles that are posted from Snopes in this thread and disregarded them as not close enough to the source. Snopes is third party reporting that has no accountability for what they determine is fact or fiction. They may as well be comparable to the introduction of the ministry of truth from 1984.

Vixy's articles are closer to the source and if anyone would bother reading them and translating them, they are fair in their assesment. It basically says what Vixy is saying about how investigations are being neglected and there is some demonstratable cover up of the crimes that are increasing throughout the area. She is saying that she has noticed a difference in the disposition of her neighborhood since they started taking in migrants. There is nothing fantastical or excessive in the stories. They are a little graphic. However, this does not indicate that something is a lie. This thread probably needs a break though. Everyone needs to take a deep breath.
:D:D:D:D:D:D

aryan sisterhood & partners in crime!

HEIL!
 

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Is Snopes a credible and authoritative source of information?
  • Snopes now has a hired team of suspect fact checkers who collaborate to debunk falsehoods that are trending on the internet.
https://foodbabe.com/2017/02/24/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

Snopes is the organization created to debunk fake news because of Pizzagate. As a result, I had already read the articles that are posted from Snopes in this thread and disregarded them as not close enough to the source. Snopes is third party reporting that has no accountability for what they determine is fact or fiction. They may as well be comparable to the introduction of the ministry of truth from 1984.

Vixy's articles are closer to the source and if anyone would bother reading them and translating them, they are fair in their assesment. It basically says what Vixy is saying about how investigations are being neglected and there is some demonstratable cover up of the crimes that are increasing throughout the area. She is saying that she has noticed a difference in the disposition of her neighborhood since they started taking in migrants. There is nothing fantastical or excessive in the stories. They are a little graphic. However, this does not indicate that something is a lie. This thread probably needs a break though. Everyone needs to take a deep breath.
You're the last person to be trying to discredit other sources when you make some of the craziest and illogical claims out there. You and Floss take the cake when it comes to the stupidity shown here on these forums. Your entitled to your opinions but at least try to make them match the reality we live in lol.
 

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Not Islam....Revived Ottoman..

The beast that was, and is not, is himself an eighth king and yet is one of the seven

I hit like instead of reply >.<

Still, I don't dislike it-- I'm just not sure what you mean. You mean Turkey is making a comeback?
 

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Well she is a racist so no surprise there.
Im a racist for telling you the truth? Wooow. It's easy pulling ye racist card whenever someone stands up and tells the truth about your people. Are you a racist towards arians?
 

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I don't see Islam as an end time beast....Fact is I don't see any religion as an end time beast..What I do see is religion trying to create its own end time beast. To hear some religions (mainly christianity) we have been living in the end times for 2000 years yet here we are still around...I really wish people would learn to just live their lives and stop worrying about our ultimate demise!

Granted the end will come one day...No species on earth has lasted forever, case in point the dinosaurs! I don't know about Islam but the reason christianity keeps harping on this end time stuff is a hope of jesus return...The Earth will continue to turn long after we are gone and then some. That is up until the Sun reaches its end of life and swallows the Earth in a fiery gulp. At that point no amount of religion is going to save anyone!

Neither Islam nor christianity are without blood on their hands! But to single one out because you simply do not agree with its doctrine and then claim its some end time cult or something is wrong.
 

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Omg. So now we're nazis bc we question things? You're behaving like the elite wants you to.
may i introduce the co-co-host of bullshit-tv & honorary member of the aryan sisterhood - vixy.





Meanwhile in the most unsafe part of Sweden: https://www.hd.se/2017-12-23/omfattande-skador-pa-forskola-efter-brand

Isn't it just wonderful when arabs get bored? They didnt think it was enough destroying our school so they set our preschool on fire aswell!

Aren't they lovely?



 

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may i introduce the co-co-host of bullshit-tv & honorary member of the aryan sisterhood - vixy.










Oh, I've insulted you, Scimi? You're an arab who commits crime then? Are you on benrfits aswell? :D Why do u have double accounts anyway?
 

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Oh, I've insulted you, Scimi? You're an arab who commits crime then? Are you on benrfits aswell? :D Why do u have double accounts anyway?
:D:D:D:D:D

seems like all the groupies that dude has are nazi offspring.

if that ain't some shit though.

i sense a big wave of conversion. :D:D:D:D:D

SIEG HEIL!
 

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I don't see Islam as an end time beast....Fact is I don't see any religion as an end time beast..What I do see is religion trying to create its own end time beast. To hear some religions (mainly christianity) we have been living in the end times for 2000 years yet here we are still around...I really wish people would learn to just live their lives and stop worrying about our ultimate demise!
I tend to agree with this. Because it's like we have already gone through apocalypse after apocalypse. And each cataclysm seems easier than the one before it. I think that ultimately the beast in religious context is just a death analogy. A natural thought form birthed the same way a person is born. So the beast ages and it will die. Symbolically anyway.
That is up until the Sun reaches its end of life and swallows the Earth in a fiery gulp. At that point no amount of religion is going to save anyone!
In 5 billion years we should easily be able to populate one of Jupiters moons.
 

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I tend to agree with this. Because it's like we have already gone through apocalypse after apocalypse. And each cataclysm seems easier than the one before it. I think that ultimately the beast in religious context is just a death analogy. A natural thought form birthed the same way a person is born. So the beast ages and it will die. Symbolically anyway.

In 5 billion years we should easily be able to populate one of Jupiters moons.
In 5 billion years we should easily be able to populate one of Jupiters moons.
I doubt it...No human could live long enough to get there.
 

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http://reasonsforjesus.com/6-big-reasons-why-islam-is-false/

- an article summarizing the numerous [theo]logical fallacies and inconsistencies surrounding the Quran. Obviously, the question of the true identity of Jesus as either God incarnate or a mere human prophet is of supreme importance and is ultimately what creates the entire dichotomy between Christianity and Islam. In this regard, I found the following except of the linked article especially interesting:

We have at least 11 sources for the crucifixion of Jesus: Pre-Mark Passion Narrative, Q, John, Paul, Hebrews, 1 Peter 2:24, Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Martyr, Josephus Flavius, & Cornelius Tacitus. Pre-Mark and Q are very early dating to within years of the actual crucifixion.

Other less valuable sources such as Lucian, Mesa Bar Serapion (depends on dating), Thallus and the Talmud all affirm a constant tradition of Jesus’ crucifixion.

If this was really Judas on the cross, then surely they would have been aware. SURELY they would not have been willing to die for something they knew was false. So again, if we take the above mentioned interpretation into account, Islam is left with the following 2 problems:

  1. If it was really Judas on the cross, then Islam is immediately contradicted by the historical sources that tell us Jesus was crucified and all those who knew him believed and died for the belief that he was crucified.
  2. If Allah transformed Judas into Jesus, then the corruption of Islam, which eventually gave birth to Christianity, is Allah’s fault. For he is responsible for deceiving the masses, only to amend it hundreds of years later.
Now there does exist other interpretations such as “Christ did not die, but he merely fainted”. Yet all still manage to fail when brought under scrutiny of what history has to say concerning the crucifixion of Jesus.
[it appears the article author got the names of the two religions switched around in the from bottom third line of the quote but otherwise makes a crucial point]

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I must say I also continue to be appalled by the nature of this Quran text which more than a billion people have elevated to the status of divine revelation. Relating to the article, having overlooked that it was speaking of the Sahih Al Bukhari, I looked up Surah 9:111 in the Quran itself. It reads (Sahih International version):

Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.
( Link )


We thus finding the talk of Muslims killing again (as well as a supreme deity God 'purchasing' from mortal human believers?!?!) which the Quran seems to talk about a lot. The actual Bukhari 9:111 passage (see below) instead discusses how Mohammed was essentially tortured by the 'angel Gabriel' when he received this 'revelation from Allah'. It doesn't add up (at least not in a good way!), and certainly has nothing to do with the values and stances the historical Jesus preached.

The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous...up to...that which he knew not." (96.15)
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Hopefully an assemblage useful to you; it certainly is a matter of great importance regardless of beliefs!
 

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http://reasonsforjesus.com/6-big-reasons-why-islam-is-false/

- an article summarizing the numerous [theo]logical fallacies and inconsistencies surrounding the Quran. Obviously, the question of the true identity of Jesus as either God incarnate or a mere human prophet is of supreme importance and is ultimately what creates the entire dichotomy between Christianity and Islam. In this regard, I found the following except of the linked article especially interesting:



[it appears the article author got the names of the two religions switched around in the from bottom third line of the quote but otherwise makes a crucial point]

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I must say I also continue to be appalled by the nature of this Quran text which more than a billion people have elevated to the status of divine revelation. Relating to the article, having overlooked that it was speaking of the Sahih Al Bukhari, I looked up Surah 9:111 in the Quran itself. It reads (Sahih International version):

Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.
( Link )


We thus finding the talk of Muslims killing again (as well as a supreme deity God 'purchasing' from mortal human believers?!?!) which the Quran seems to talk about a lot. The actual Bukhari 9:111 passage (see below) instead discusses how Mohammed was essentially tortured by the 'angel Gabriel' when he received this 'revelation from Allah'. It doesn't add up (at least not in a good way!), and certainly has nothing to do with the values and stances the historical Jesus preached.



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Hopefully an assemblage useful to you; it certainly is a matter of great importance regardless of beliefs!
Look another opinion piece from a Christian website lol.
 
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Satan could come as an angel of light...
Does that mean a real angel cannot come at any point in the future to anyone...it has to be Satan?
surely the 'angel' has to be tested right?

For example in islam we believe in the angels like Michael and Gabriel, notice their names? they are the same angels mentioned in the bible. Sure, satan could pretend to be one of them, but how could we know the difference?
for one, satan would be a jinn and not an angel, therefore they exist in different worlds.
i could go on and on in detail on this matter but the fact is christianity have little theolosophy on this
by that, i mean YOU guys..because you're not even really familiar with the views of St Thomas Aguinas on the nature of the seraphim (the fallen angels were seraphim..seraphs=burning serpents=jinns).
Fire=desire=born from a greater awareness of self in a world of multiplicity.
the angels of light do not posess a gender, though they appear in masculine form in the visions, they do not beget children or have gender....
but the jinns do.
This sort of information forms part of our theology which comes into play in spiritual experiences in obvious ways.

example
josepth smith, was visited by an 'angel of light' indeed
it was an entity that called itself moroni...
it told him, that it used to be a SAILOR in a PAST LIFE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Moroni
said angel also taught smith a new gospel quite literally.

THIS is what the new testament warned against...
not islam.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say there cannot be another prophet after Jesus.
Paul spoke of anyone who brings a new gospel other than they one they have


The Qur'an confirms the gospel the Christians had with them. We differ in interpretation from Christian perspectives but we certainly don't claim the Qur'an is another gospel. The Quran literally confirms the authenticity of the gospel the christians had in their hands.

(1) It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
(سورة آل عمران, Aal-i-Imraan, Chapter #3, Verse #3)

(5) Let the people of the gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #47)

(6) If only they had stood fast by the Law, the gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #66)

(7) Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #68)





Here's another thing to think about
In the book of Daniel, when Daniel saw the angel Gabriel, what happened?

Daniel 10
4 On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river which is Tigris, 5 I lifted up my eyes and looked and saw a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with the fine gold of Uphaz. 6 His body also was like beryl, and his face had the appearance of lightning, and his eyes were like lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet were like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a tumult.

7 I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, while the men who were with me did not see the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. 8 Therefore I was left alone and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me, and my countenance grew deathly pale, and I retained no strength. 9 Yet I heard the sound of his words; and while I heard the sound of his words, then I was in a deep sleep on my face with my face toward the ground
10 But then a hand touched me, which set me on my knees and on the palms of my hands. 11 He said to me, “O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have been sent to you now.” And when he had spoken this word to me, I stood trembling.


2 Then he said to me, “Do not be afraid, Daniel.

15 When he had spoken such words to me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became mute. 16 Then one in the likeness of the sons of men touched my lips. Then I opened my mouth and spoke and said to him who stood before me, “O my lord, because of the vision, sorrows have come upon me, and I have retained no strength. 17 How can the servant of my lord talk with you, my lord? And as for me, there remains no strength in me now, nor is there any breath left in me.”

18 Then again, the one having the appearance of a man came and touched me, and he strengthened me. 19 He said, “O man, greatly beloved, do not fear. Peace be unto you. Be strong and courageous!”
When he spoke to me, I was strengthened and said, “Let my lord speak, for you have strengthened me.”


Do you see muslims twisting these words to instead claim this was a devil?
Christians: Mohammed was AFRAID, he TREMBLED WITH FEAR because it was obviously THE DEVIL'


Remember, Daniel was from a long succession of prophets, he possessed knowledge of religion already and yet this was his reaction
self doubt, fear, physical weakness...
that is not very different to the experience of prophet Mohammad SAW.
 
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