Thanksgiving: The annual genocide whitewash

[The Zone]

Attack on white people? Is that even possible?

Of course not. You could whack a white person in the head with a rock and they'd be just fine.

 

[mecca]

No, of course you didn't.

Wow, great response... since I'm so blind, why don't you point it out for me?

 

[Etagloc]

Of course not. You could whack a white person in the head with a rock or run them through with a spear and they'd be just fine.

Wow.... when did this forum turn into Stormfront?

Good look on the Day of Judgement explaining such a disgustingly racist remark. You should be ashamed.

 

[Etagloc]

Believe it or not people, talking about basic facts of history is not racism.

Talking about Pearl Harbor is not anti-Japanese.

Talking about the Holocaust is not anti-German.

It is not racism to remember history. It's insane that people think they can try to erase history.

If we're going to say history is racism, why not just say say math is racism? Screw it- we'll say physics is racist too. Why not say philosophy is racist?

Apparently, learning is racist. That is consistent with the mindset of a delicate snowflake who thinks they can simply erase history based on how it makes them feel.

 

[Etagloc]

And I don't even understand why people take it personally.

Not everyone in a vast group of people were the same. If I'm talking about the Holocaust, I'm not talking about single German's persons ancestors. There were Germans who resisted the Nazis. I have no idea who peoples' ancestors were and what role they played in history. For all I know, an individuals ancestors may have been opposed to things like slavery or maybe just had nothing to do with such stuff.

History is important. People need to not be so self-centered and think everything is about them. I have no idea what an individual person's ancestors did or didn't do and that's not really my concern. History has to be preserved for future generations and it is incredibly selfish and entitled for people to think they can simply erase history in order to protect their apparently fragile egos. History is based on facts- we can't just rewrite history based on how it makes people feel. And honestly it is incredibly immature to think that way. There are tons of widely-respected white scholars and academics who are honest and tell the truth about this stuff- are they racist against white people? It is simply that they are interested in the truth and not in trying to rewrite history based on strange ulterior motives based on emotions.

 

[Etagloc]

I am appalled at the immorality of people who think that their feelings are more important than the genocide of millions of people. I am shocked that people can be so morally bankrupt and feel so entitled.

Clearly, some of the people here are similar to the people CLR James wrote about in The Black Jacobins when he said

"There are and always will be some who, ashamed of the behaviour of their ancestors, try to prove that slavery was not so bad after all, that its evils and its cruelty were the exaggerations of propagandists and not the habitual lot of the slaves. Men will say (and accept) anything in order to foster national pride or soothe a troubled conscience."

 

[Etagloc]

You are opening up a ig can of worms. Has history been preserved? Is it accurate? You say you have no idea who peoples ancestors are and they do not know yours which is the point in some ways. It IS important to learn from history and mistakes. It is also important to move forward. My Dad marched after MLK was killed. And that is that,

I don't know who your ancestors were and for all I know they could have been opposed to all sorts of injustice. I have no idea who your ancestors were and that's your personal business as far as I'm concerned. My concern is history, not anyone's individual genealogy.

But we perpetuate injustice if we move to cover up history. It's not about building up or hurting feelings. It's not about feelings period. It's about history.

And history is important.

I'm sure we all remember the famous- and very true quote:

The facts are the facts. The facts are the facts are the facts are the facts. X equals X.

Saying "this is what happened in history" is not equivalent to spreading hate. Facts are facts. Facts are not hate. Facts are just facts.

What we make of the facts is a totally different matter. Just as we should never forget the Holocaust, we should never forget what happened to the Native Americans.

As Tupac said, "forgive but don't forget". It's not anything personal for or against anyone and I just am shocked that there are people who want to cover up the past. I wish I could say the US didn't invade Iraq and I wish I could say I didn't support it. But the facts are the facts. The US did invade Iraq and I did support (in my defense I was very young at the time) it. We have to be willing to face facts. We have no right to no right to try to bury them. It almost seems criminal to me that people want to cover up history. It is not a crime to tell the truth about history.

 

[The Zone]

You are losing me. Who is covering up the facts? Who can possibly do that in this forum or anywhere else? OTOH, history has a history of being covered up. Isis, be they US led or not, destroyed some history forever. This kind of thing has happened since the dawn of man. Civilizations existed that we will never know of because that history was erased by the people who took them out. Native American and Black folks atrocities are well documented and going nowhere. But at some point, some how, some way, people need to come together beyond race. Anyway too many words for one day in a thread which in the big picture does little to help the worlds plight, Nobody has squelched your free speech and it is you that seems bothered by anyone with an opinion that is .....

 

[Etagloc]

You are losing me. Who is covering up the facts? Who can possibly do that in this forum or anywhere else? OTOH, history has a history of being covered up. Isis, be they US led or not, destroyed some history forever. This kind of thing has happened since the dawn of man. Civilizations existed that we will never know of because that history was erased by the people who took them out. Native American and Black folks atrocities are well documented and going nowhere. But at some point, some how, some way, people need to come together beyond race. Anyway too many words for one day in a thread which in the big picture does little to help the worlds plight,

I don't care if I am "losing you". It doesn't matter what either of us think.

It's about facts. You think people discussing facts is some sort of racial division?

People have the right to discuss facts. If this was a thread about the Kardashians, would you try to say "let's stop talking about the Kardashians- this thread won't save the world"? A thread about Kanye West is not going to save the world.

If your grand plan to save the world is "let's stop talking about black and Native American history," then screw your plan.

People can talk about the facts all they want.

If you want to make a "how to save the world" thread, there's no one stopping you from making that thread. There is more than one thread on this forum. If this topic doesn't interest you, you don't have to read this thread. But you don't go to a Holocaust memorial and say "would you shut up about the Holocaust already?" or go to a 9/11 memorial and say "get over it!".

It shouldn't be some big controversial thing for people to simply discuss history.

 

[elsbet]

That's not page 4.

lol
Of course.. let me help.

[Is] This better [than page 4]?

Does that help you see through the ugliness you're projecting?

 

[Etagloc]

lol
Of course.. let me help.


Does that help you see through the ugliness you're projecting?

The ugliness is people who want to silence history because of how it makes them feel. Talk about delicate snowflakes.

 

[mecca]

But at some point, some how, some way, people need to come together beyond race.

The only way to do that is to resolve the racial issues that we are facing right now. We have to talk about them and not deny their existence so that we can actually go about solving these problems and getting rid of racist ideologies.

 

[elsbet]

It shouldn't be some big controversial thing for people to simply discuss history.

It really shouldn't, you're right about that.

Unfortunately, there are some folks here who are trying to hijack the Native American issue presented in the OP, and make it about their own perceived plight, by demonizing anyone with a European background. That is not a historical discussion-- the intellectual dishonesty in here is mind numbing .

What happened was horrific, but it was 400 years ago, and there has been enormous recompense, some as recently as last year.

$492 Million to Native American Tribes

Yakama- Forest Land, Sacred Mt Adams Returned

Have a Google, yourself, for more.. it isn't perfect-- it's stunning really, considering the state of the world-- but it is effort to set things right, which is all that can be done at this point.

 

[Etagloc]

The only way to do that is to resolve the racial issues that we are facing right now. We have to talk about them and not deny their existence so that we can actually go about solving these problems and getting rid of racist ideologies.

Exactly. Denial is not the way to deal with problems. Especially not denial that only serves the interest of a particular group (and not even that group's real interest- not in the long run).

The other thing is the source of these issues is the legacy of colonialism. Until the structural injustice is addressed, these issues are simply built into the system and will never go away.

 

[Etagloc]

It really shouldn't, you're right about that.

Unfortunately, there are some folks here who are trying to hijack the Native American issue presented in the OP, and make it about their own perceived plight, by demonizing anyone with a European background.

I don't think that's the case at all.

What's going on in this thread is simply a textbook case of what this picture is depicting

If you can't see that America is not a white country, maybe your the one who is the racist. Not me.

My Dad marched after MLK was killed.

Like I said. Textbook case.

I have an Asian GF as well. Just saying.

Ah yes... a variation of an old classic

What happened was horrific, but it was 400 years ago

This is a serious question- have people here not heard about Standing Rock? I thought everyone heard about Standing Rock.

I'm trying to remember if that was this year or last year.

 

[DesertRose]

Stop making this personal folks......
Sometimes truths revealed are helpful.
Especially if they allow for a correction of any continued wrongs.
This may allow for a more cohesive society.

I learned about what Thanksgiving as a holiday represents and this thread was educational.
It would benefit people to know the truth and have compassion for those who may not want this particular commemoration.

 

[Haich]

lol
Of course.. let me help.


Does that help you see through the ugliness you're projecting?

Listen, you claimed to have witnessed an attack on white people and have failed to provide a shred of evidence. Either provide the comment you're referring to on page 4 or stop posting the same nonsense repeatedly.

Why haven't you called out the ugliness that Rainerran posted? Oh that's right, because you're just as bigoted and racist as she is.

I'll no longer be discussing this issue with you further since your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

 

[The Zone]

You're FOS, on some of this, Etagloc. Maybe, one day, you will get past seeing color. I am reminded by someone who once said no two people see the truth as the same in all cases, And with this being a forum dedicated to seeing how PTB's are inflaming things such as racial tension, it amazes me that some people think the truth is in some tidy little box. They need th victims and for them to remain that of those seeking justice to keep things as they are. Remember the Alamo! (but do not move on from it.)

Some act more on emotion with their posts than they do personal experience. Many are listing others work or their gif's and yet they did not experience the injustices they refer to. Views are limited by life experience as is the big picture of understanding. And therein lies the problem. People are seeing color before words and then there is a blurred accusation tossed which in turn keeps things at an impasse. Time to move on regardless of the silly gifs to come which is canned thinking. Once the Nazi card is played, it is time to just move on.

 

[elsbet]

Listen, you claimed to have witnessed an attack on white people and have failed to provide a shred of evidence. Either provide the comment you're referring to on page 4 or stop posting the same nonsense repeatedly.

Why haven't you called out the ugliness that Rainerran posted? Oh that's right, because you're just as bigoted and racist as she is.

I'll no longer be discussing this issue with you further since your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Muslim opinions.

 

[DesertRose]

Muslim opinions.

getting tired of being on here.......