How To Unite Muslims, Jews And Christians

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“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” ―Arthur Schopenhauer
http://jahtruth.net/truth.htm

Who is JAH? :- http://jahtruth.net/mal4.htm
He is another cult founder. Blending multiple faiths together to support his own worldview. He is yet another pawn of Satan being moved on the chessboard to create the One World Religion forecast in the Book of Revelation.

If you prefer to believe in his version of "enlightenment" (rejection of Christianity for his self-made religion) than the bible you will bear the consequences of your decision.
 
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Ok @AspiringSoul let's try...

I am writing exams this Wednesday, and I have been wanting to make a thread exposing the RCC for what she truly is, but this is a really long post and I cannot now spend 3 hours typing everything up as I just do not have the time. So bear with me please, I will give you an answer after my exams...
Thanks for replying. See for me, everything is deliberately written the way it is. it is no coincidence.
So for example Jeremiah 2 and 3, are referring to israel and judah as adulteresses and withni this, the stone/wood theme is given as a symbol of idolatory.
Yet this theme theme appears in Zechariah 5 where in the context it hints at the money lending system and then it tells us the wicked woman (judah) is taken to babylon.
This connection also gets stronger where in Habbakuk 2, God condemns babylon's rulers specifically it condemns the way they controlled nations through usury and foretells a time when it's creditors will rise against it ie who who it controls ...foretelling a revolution.

throughout these connected themes, you have the curses, the condemnation, the theme of stones/wood but in Habbakuk 2 it even talks about making people drunk, fornication, theft of land/homes etc
Revelation 17 then jumps on some of these themes whilst it also links to the theme of killing those who hold the testimony of Jesus Christ
to me, this whole thing directly fits with current and recent histories world events
it fits in every sense from the jewish bolshevik slaughter of christians, looting an entire countries wealth, the bilderberg group, hollywood, music, zionism/israel, google (and youtube)..it's a growing list (btw i actually love google hate apple).
in every sense this stuff fits the jewish nation and the Revelation 17/18 prophecy is about the collapse of this system one day.

i just cannot see how it's the RCC. no matter what evils the RCC does, to me it is not any different to house saud in saudi arabia, the wahabi movement
you want to look at some of the satanic stuff they're doing under the name of islam..and the prophet SAW said about them
 
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Ah! The pope seems like a nice guy.
The previous pope looked like Darth Sidious so I always thought it was all an act and the penny would drop, but then he just vanished..maybe he was a good one?
the current one...i had no opinion until Jonathan Pryce played the High sparrow in GoT (ie an ultra religious fanatic who displayed fake piety, anyone could see was secretly an evil control freak manipulating people through religion).
I was waiting for the penny to drop and his true colours show in GoT...
but they killed him off and the actor reappeared
im telling you, this is how the pope rules the vatican.
 
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The atheists' pope. Genuine Catholics don't like him.
Loves talking out of both sides of his mouth. Hasn't changed any doctrines though. Actions speak louder than words. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/19/living/pope-said-what/index.html
it would help if they didnt misquote

We must meet one another doing good," the pope said. To those who say: " 'But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' " the pope said, "But do good: We will meet one another there."
So, was the pope saying that people can go to heaven, even if they don't believe in God?
Probably not, say church experts.


meeting them there isn't literal, like a place in heaven
it just means agreeing on at least one thing ie doing good.

the way he tackled the topic of atheism isn't bad at all, or homosexuality.

you really desperately try to demonise others who you have a bias against don't you?
 

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it would help if they didnt misquote

We must meet one another doing good," the pope said. To those who say: " 'But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' " the pope said, "But do good: We will meet one another there."
So, was the pope saying that people can go to heaven, even if they don't believe in God?
Probably not, say church experts.


meeting them there isn't literal, like a place in heaven
it just means agreeing on at least one thing ie doing good.

the way he tackled the topic of atheism isn't bad at all, or homosexuality.

you really desperately try to demonise others who you have a bias against don't you?
He said that? I like him even more! (deep down he knows there's something more important than belief in God)
 
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reading back my lengthy posts, maaan, so many spelling/grammatical errors but ive been really busy and tired over the weekend so can barely remember most of it.

I'm way too harsh in my posts.

still
i fucking love this
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reading back my lengthy posts, maaan, so many spelling/grammatical errors but ive been really busy and tired over the weekend so can barely remember most of it.

I'm way too harsh in my posts.

still
i fucking love this
0:14
It would be good to see what Quentin Tarantino could do with a movie featuring this actor as the Pope!
 

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Fair enough.
One question and we'll leave it alone. Do you believe that Christ is God, incarnate?
Ok.

I believe:
Christ is Prince Michael (The Archangel).
Christ (the Spirit-Being) was sent by God, and incarnated into the human body, that was called Jesus (which means Saviour) thereby making the human+Being, called Jesus+Christ.
http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Christ is identified as Prince Michael, The Archangel (first of the chief of the princes of God):

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, the first of the chief princes [of God], came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the Scripture of Truth: and [there is] NONE that holdeth with me in these things, EXCEPT Michael your prince (Eno. 67:1; Rev. 5:3; 5; 9 & 12:7).

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have Eternal Life?
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? [there is] none good but One, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the Commandments.
19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness (tell lies),
19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Christ was sent to rule over us, by God.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Christ (Prince Michael) therefore has the authority of God (Judge) over us, because Father (God) sent him (His Eldest Son) and gave this to him (Christ).

So then, was Christ "God" incarnate? I believe it depends on exactly how you are defining the word "God". "God" over us - as in Judge? In that case, yes most definitely.

But he did not say he is The Father.
He said he is The Son (Christ).
Christ made a point of it, to tell us that His Father (God) is greater than he (Christ) is. (Allahu Akbar)
He said this out loud, so that we could hear/read it (and John could write down) and that Father is not only our God, but Father is also his God.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

So, that is how I believe to understand it. Christ and Father are one; just as They would like all of us to be, too.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth.
17:18 As Thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the Truth.
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe me through their word;
17:21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent me.
17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
17:23 I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom Thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my Glory, which Thou hast given me: for Thou lovedst me BEFORE the foundation of the world.
 
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Fair enough.
One question and we'll leave it alone. Do you believe that Christ is God, incarnate?
P.S. Consider that John, who spent much time with Jesus, also wrote:

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only incarnated Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [Him].

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and His love is perfected in us.

(Christ talked about The Father (God) being in Him. Christ said to Philip, that to see him, is to have seen The Father, when Philip asked Him. Which of course is perfectly true, because The Father (God, Who is Love) is in Him.)

4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because He hath given us of His Spirit.
4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.
4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Christ is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. (Kofk)

This is only shared as things to consider, as it was asked.
However I'm a student, just like anyone else. So, I don't claim to know or have all the answers.
Only God does, so we can, and we should always be asking Him for His guidance, daily and in private.
 
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lmao
this guy used to be on here before with the
'when michael stands up' stuff

No disrespect bro but your views are lacking in any metaphysical clarity

The logos IS eternal.

The way i understand this theme is like this

The existence of a thing, is only real if there is an awareness of it. So it stands to reason for the universe to be real, there is a universal awareness.
My existence had a beginning, yet I have existed in the awareness of God forever.

Therefore it should also stand to reason that in actuality I am also eternal. There never was a time, the universal awareness wasn't aware of me.
There's nothing I have or will ever do the awareness didn't already know, eternally.
Therefore in reality ALL things are eternal.

This 'all things' element is precisely what the Logos is supposed to be ie the universal consciousness.

However the process of the creation of time and our individual existence, this is a perception of ours, something we're made to experience.
From the universal eternal perspective it is just an illusion. It is the infinite manifesting itself.

The logos is the infinite ocean and we are the drops in that experience.
we represent the expansion of consciousness as the microcosmic consciousness.

that is a very basic explanation of reality.

angels are just part of that process ie they are drops
Michael is actually a seraph, their naturei s fire and they are tied with the realm of malakut which came into being.

Christ is the logos incarnated, ie the 'ocean in a drop' (a sufi theme), not the angel Gabriel.
the angels were not higher than Jesus Christ.
 

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Can I tell you something?
in the middle ages, muslim alims didn't have 1 particular interpretation of the Quran.
it was common for someone to have multiple interpretations....some even had as many as 20 different interpretations and by that i mean for each single verse

why would they do that?
it was about being open to understanding something from multiple perspectives
the when, what, why, how, if, but, could have, should have, perhaps, if not, if then
they had knowledge of metaphysics (inc numerology, astrology), psychology.
back then, such men would not even write down their interpretations because they felt shame to potentially get it so wrong.

however for what WAS written in texts, you only have to look at examples like the lost libraries of timbuktu, im talking treasure troves of information....beyond comprehension
in this particular case and many more like it, african people actively buried or destroyed their material because white men wanted it...and much of it was confiscated.

we're sat here posting some stuff on a forum, you're linking us to websites


BUT
i swear to you, most of what ive ever learnt was learnt through careful reading of texts from the middle ages esp sufi material, but it extends to hindu, jewish, christian knowledge too.
Much of this knowledge was made available in the modern era through translations.
We're very lucky to live in the age of information.
Still, what we actually are doing is interpreting translated interpretations
do you get this?

For me, I believe in the Quran but the Quran tells me to believe in the Torah, Psalms and Gospel. so I accept that and don't care what people have to say.
i accept that there is a lot i don't know, so it's better to accept the basic outlines and then attempt to understand the rest according to those outlines
Agreed. Likewise.

many muslims here say the bible is altered/corrupt
i don't because that contradicts the Quran
many say christians follow a pauline doctrine and not Jesus
I don't because that too potentially contradicts the Quran
Understood. That is better than most can say, but have you ever read the book of Enoch, please? Because there is a prophecy in it, that says that people would write things down incorrectly, but that once God's Word was all written down CORRECTLY, then everything in the Books would concur. It is at this link in case you become interested.

many of the arguments ive put out on here revolved around these topics.

the reason why i won't read what you tell me to is because what little i read was a load of shite
for example 'if you pray in the mosque, you're a kafir'
the guy who wrote that has a screw loose.
Understood. However, there is also this in the Qur'an:

9:107. And there are those who put up mosques (etc.), by way of mischief and BETRAYAL - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against "I AM" (Revelation 12:7) and His Messenger aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; but "I AM" doth declare that they are certainly LIARS.
9:108. Never stand thou forth therein. There is a Temple (House of God - Kaba - on Mt. Moriah) whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and "I AM" loveth those who make themselves pure.
9:109. Which then is best? - he that layeth his foundation on piety (a Rock - Matthew 7:24-27) to "I AM" and His Good Pleasure? - or he that layeth his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces? And it doth crumble to pieces with him, into the fire of Hell. And "I AM" guideth not people that do wrong (if they are doing wrong Satan is guiding them).
9:110. The foundation of those who so build is never free from suspicion and shakiness in their hearts, until their hearts are cut to pieces. And "I AM" is All- Knowing, Wise.
JAH - Muad'dib.
http://jahtruth.net/nomos.htm
P.S. I'm not saying that you should do something I say. Like you, I know there is a lot I still don't know. These posts are however about sharing this information so that it may be considered, but that is up to everyone that reads. To choose to do, or not do for themselves.
Peace.
 

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IMG_3246.JPG Just one thing is still bothering me...

I wonder why "Michael" doesn't rebuke people from worshiping him, as the angel in Revelation does to John?
 

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lmao
this guy used to be on here before with the
'when michael stands up' stuff
I have not been here on this forum before.
Perhaps someone else has, who has also read TWHOFTF.
Many people all over the world have already read it and know what it says.
But despite that, you are of course free to believe that if you so choose.

No disrespect bro but your views are lacking in any metaphysical clarity
The terms "No disrespect" preceded almost immediately by "lmao" actually could be considered an indication of a contradiction in terms, if perhaps you failed to notice.

As far as metaphysical clarity goes.
Often, the Truth is actually very simple.
That is one of the things that is so beautiful about it.

The logos IS eternal.

The way i understand this theme is like this

The existence of a thing, is only real if there is an awareness of it. So it stands to reason for the universe to be real, there is a universal awareness.
My existence had a beginning, yet I have existed in the awareness of God forever.

Therefore it should also stand to reason that in actuality I am also eternal. There never was a time, the universal awareness wasn't aware of me.
There's nothing I have or will ever do the awareness didn't already know, eternally.
Therefore in reality ALL things are eternal.

This 'all things' element is precisely what the Logos is supposed to be ie the universal consciousness.

However the process of the creation of time and our individual existence, this is a perception of ours, something we're made to experience.
From the universal eternal perspective it is just an illusion. It is the infinite manifesting itself.

The logos is the infinite ocean and we are the drops in that experience.
we represent the expansion of consciousness as the microcosmic consciousness.

that is a very basic explanation of reality.
Thank you for sharing how you see this.

P.S. I do not "lmao" about it though because I believe that might be considered to be disrespectful behaviour towards another forum member, who has chosen to share something personal about their beliefs.

angels are just part of that process ie they are drops
Michael is actually a seraph, their naturei s fire and they are tied with the realm of malakut which came into being.
And you know this how, please?

the angels were not higher than Jesus Christ.
Correct.
 

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Ok.

I believe:
Christ is Prince Michael (The Archangel).
Christ (the Spirit-Being) was sent by God, and incarnated into the human body, that was called Jesus (which means Saviour) thereby making the human+Being, called Jesus+Christ.
http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Christ is identified as Prince Michael, The Archangel (first of the chief of the princes of God):

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, the first of the chief princes [of God], came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the Scripture of Truth: and [there is] NONE that holdeth with me in these things, EXCEPT Michael your prince (Eno. 67:1; Rev. 5:3; 5; 9 & 12:7).

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have Eternal Life?
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? [there is] none good but One, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the Commandments.
19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness (tell lies),
19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Christ was sent to rule over us, by God.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Christ (Prince Michael) therefore has the authority of God (Judge) over us, because Father (God) sent him (His Eldest Son) and gave this to him (Christ).

So then, was Christ "God" incarnate? I believe it depends on exactly how you are defining the word "God". "God" over us - as in Judge? In that case, yes most definitely.

But he did not say he is The Father.
He said he is The Son (Christ).
Christ made a point of it, to tell us that His Father (God) is greater than he (Christ) is. (Allahu Akbar)
He said this out loud, so that we could hear/read it (and John could write down) and that Father is not only our God, but Father is also his God.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

So, that is how I believe to understand it. Christ and Father are one; just as They would like all of us to be, too.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth.
17:18 As Thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the Truth.
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe me through their word;
17:21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent me.
17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
17:23 I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom Thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my Glory, which Thou hast given me: for Thou lovedst me BEFORE the foundation of the world.
Far out. o_O

Thanks for the explanation, nonetheless.
Appreciate it.
 

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View attachment 2031 Just one thing is still bothering me...

I wonder why "Michael" doesn't rebuke people from worshiping him, as the angel in Revelation does to John?
John 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
2:10 That at the name of the Saviour every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Christ Jesus [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
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