How Do You Get Sins Erased From Your Record?

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Quran: 21:1-28 "Al-Anbiya: The Prophets"
1. Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away.
2. Never comes (aught) to them of a renewed Message from their Lord, but they listen to it as in jest,-
3. Their hearts toying as with trifles. The wrong-doers conceal their private counsels, (saying), "Is this (one) more than a man like yourselves? Will ye go to witchcraft with your eyes open?"
4. Say: "My Lord knoweth (every) word (spoken) in the heavens and on earth: He is the One that heareth and knoweth (all things)."
5. "Nay," they say, "(these are) medleys of dream! - Nay, He forged it! - Nay, He is (but) a poet! Let him then bring us a Sign like the ones that were sent to (Prophets) of old!"
6. (As to those) before them, not one of the populations which We destroyed believed: will these believe?
7. Before thee, also, the apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message.
8. Nor did We give them bodies that ate no food, nor were they exempt from death.
9. In the end We fulfilled to them Our Promise, and We saved them and those whom We pleased, but We destroyed those who transgressed beyond bounds.
10. We have revealed for you (O men!) a book in which is a Message for you: will ye not then understand?
11. How many were the populations We utterly destroyed because of their iniquities, setting up in their places other peoples?
12. Yet, when they felt Our Punishment (coming), behold, they (tried to) flee from it.
13. Flee not, but return to the good things of this life which were given you, and to your homes in order that ye may be called to account.
14. They said: "Ah! woe to us! We were indeed wrong-doers!"
15. And that cry of theirs ceased not, till We made them as a field that is mown, as ashes silent and quenched.
16. Not for (idle) sport did We create the heavens and the earth and all that is between!
17. If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)!
18. Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us).
19. To Him belong all (creatures) in the heavens and on earth: Even those who are in His (very) Presence are not too proud to serve Him, nor are they (ever) weary (of His service):
20. They celebrate His praises night and day, nor do they ever flag and do not slacken
21. Or have they taken (for worship) gods from the earth who can raise (the dead)?
22. If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
23. He cannot be questioned for His acts, but they will be questioned (for theirs).
24. Or have they taken for worship (other) gods besides him? Say, "Bring your convincing proof: this is the Message of those with me and the Message of those before me." But most of them know not the Truth, and so turn away.
25. Not an apostle did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me.
26. And they say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour.
27. They speak not before He speaks, and they act (in all things) by His Command.
28. He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they offer no intercession except for those who are acceptable, and they stand in awe and reverence of His (Glory).

This chapter has more verses and you can access it here:
https://www.quran411.com/surah-anbiya.asp

 
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It was for God_is_Formless' sake since stating the true believer's stance on the deity of Christ has caused him such a roadblock in his thinking past the issue.
@Lady all the Prophets and Messengers came with the same message, peace be upon all of them .Prophet Muhammad's mission is complete and Prophet Jesus's mission is yet to be completed that is why he did not die but was raised up according to our teachings.In addition, Prophet Jesus peace be upon him, will return and will subsequently pass away after the completion of his mission.

 
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I think bias is a natural thing. So we shouldn't try to measure whether something is biased or not, but the level of bias present. Meaning a book by a man who has dedicated his whole life, and career to his christian faith is the most biased you can find. Like why can't I just have the book for free? Isn't it that important? I mean he is talking about confirming the word of God.

I'm Not saying someone shouldn't be rewarded monetarily for their work. But that's what I see for like all of these authors and scholars. It's their job to say these things. They have bills to pay, and families to feed. So what I'm saying is the person I would listen to would have to follow certain criteria. They can't have a financial investment in their faith. They can't of followed the faith all their life. The most independent minds are what I seek.

I also think if there were modern day prophets people what have a much easier time believing. Like we really think God only sent a single prophet? My beliefs are built off of practical application and a deep sense of self. Nobody taught me my worldview. It just happens to fit with Gnosticism.
Good points raised on bias...

If I were a police officer investigating a criminal over fresh offenses, but I knew he had form and had killed an officer in another force, I might have bias. My investigation may be empowered by my desire to see justice done, but that alone does not invalidate the evidence.

The evidence I gathered would be presented to the court for due process and cross examination.

In that spirit I offer the evidence for the authenticity of the Gospels. I found it compelling, but I would! I present my witness to the other legal team for scrutiny ;-)
 

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Good points raised on bias...

If I were a police officer investigating a criminal over fresh offenses, but I knew he had form and had killed an officer in another force, I might have bias. My investigation may be empowered by my desire to see justice done, but that alone does not invalidate the evidence.

The evidence I gathered would be presented to the court for due process and cross examination.

In that spirit I offer the evidence for the authenticity of the Gospels. I found it compelling, but I would! I present my witness to the other legal team for scrutiny ;-)
Lol you love police officer analogies don't you. But sure that bias alone doesn't invalidate the evidence. It just makes me wonder if you are cutting corners, or using your own dirty tricks to get it. And that could definitely invalidate the evidence.

Jesus is more like a missing person case though. Except we can't prove he actually existed. We only have probabilities. Sure it's highly probable Jesus and some other major figures in the Bible were real people. But there isn't the same probability that the Bible really came from these figures.
 

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Lol you love police officer analogies don't you. But sure that bias alone doesn't invalidate the evidence. It just makes me wonder if you are cutting corners, or using your own dirty tricks to get it. And that could definitely invalidate the evidence.

Jesus is more like a missing person case though. Except we can't prove he actually existed. We only have probabilities. Sure it's highly probable Jesus and some other major figures in the Bible were real people. But there isn't the same probability that the Bible really came from these figures.
I guess the jury gets to decide if I'm a bent cop or not ;-) if you have ever watched 'Person of Interest' I always think of Detective Fusco!

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On the question of the verifiable nature of the historical claims of the Gospels, I started up a thread some time ago trying to encourage people to dig deeper into it...

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-vc-case-for-christ-thread.217/
 

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I guess the jury gets to decide if I'm a bent cop or not ;-) if you have ever watched 'Person of Interest' I always think of Detective Fusco!

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On the question of the verifiable nature of the historical claims of the Gospels, I started up a thread some time ago trying to encourage people to dig deeper into it...

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-vc-case-for-christ-thread.217/
I think I read some of that thread about Jesus. Look I'll be straight with you. My problem isn't with Jesus, or his apostles. And I don't care if the scriptures were authentic or not. The way the bible reads and the way someone else will read it to me are completely different things. Like I could see a passage that advocates killing heretics, and someone will be like no that's not what they meant?

Bullshit that's not what they meant. Those people were savages. And there is no other way to describe many bible passages. Sugar coating the narrative doesn't work on me. I can see that it worked good on a lot of you though. Here we all our on a site about the government lying to us and framing the only picture they want us to see. But none of you could imagine that happened with your own religions? How they could of omitted and added text to keep you in control?
 

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I think I read some of that thread about Jesus. Look I'll be straight with you. My problem isn't with Jesus, or his apostles. And I don't care if the scriptures were authentic or not. The way the bible reads and the way someone else will read it to me are completely different things. Like I could see a passage that advocates killing heretics, and someone will be like no that's not what they meant?

Bullshit that's not what they meant. Those people were savages. And there is no other way to describe many bible passages. Sugar coating the narrative doesn't work on me. I can see that it worked good on a lot of you though. Here we all our on a site about the government lying to us and framing the only picture they want us to see. But none of you could imagine that happened with your own religions? How they could of omitted and added text to keep you in control?
I have always admired the way that the Masai people in Africa deal with lions - they run at them! If you have an issue with the Bible it is better to deal with it head on.

As regards the governmental New World order stuff, I totally get it - I went down the rabbit hole and came out on the other side of the hill! I resist whenever I get opportunity to do so, but compared to what is coming on the prophetic horizon, their macheovalean schemes are not biggest story in town...
 

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I have always admired the way that the Masai people in Africa deal with lions - they run at them! If you have an issue with the Bible it is better to deal with it head on.

As regards the governmental New World order stuff, I totally get it - I went down the rabbit hole and came out on the other side of the hill, but it isn't the biggest story in town...
I suppose it's most accurate to say my issue is with people. And how they have twisted the teaching of Christ. Because I'm fine with the savagery, but I want there to be transparency. Like I think Christians should own that shit. Just be like yeah. We went to war in the name of Christ. We thought women and children were basically worth shit, and not much has changed. I'm not directly saying that a lot of bigotry comes from religious views, I'm just implying it.

And I think all of this predates the new world order. It doesn't take a conspiracy to consolidate power. And that's what the history shows. That religions are origins of power, not origins of faith. You are free to worship that faith, but I think you all should be honest with yourselves. You are worshiping power.
 

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@Aero - there is much of the real Aero I do not know behind these comments... Hypocracy has been the shame of the Church for many years. Christians often want to enjoy the 'best of both' when it comes to the Kingdom of this world and the Kingdom of Heaven. To my shame, I spent many years like that and I wish I could turn the clock back sometimes!!!

If I were an ambassador for my country, but while at my posting abroad, I was breaking the law, accumulating wealth and power under false pretences and generally making a bad example of myself, my own government would be no more impressed with me than the country to which I had been sent! I'm sure you take my meaning...
 
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Lol Wow i see a lot of back and forth on here. Its amazing, for us to deny Christ would not only mean spiritual death but a second death, and for muslims if you all deny that Allah is one then you'll experience the same consequences. I just have a sincere spiritual question, seeing as how most of us here are. Do you guys have experience's with God? Do you ever feel his presence? His Love? His mercy? Or is it all a ritual to you? Did He ever come to you and announce who He is? Did He ever call your name and commanded you to get up and follow Him? This is what I personally experienced with Christ. Ive always been curious as to how a muslim realizes that Islam is their truth.
 

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Do you guys have experience's with God? Do you ever feel his presence? His Love? His mercy? Or is it all a ritual to you? Did He ever come to you and announce who He is? Did He ever call your name and commanded you to get up and follow Him? This is what I personally experienced with Christ. Ive always been curious as to how a muslim realizes that Islam is their truth.
"Then he asked, ‘What is Imaan(belief?’ The Holy Prophet Muhammad ( s.a.w ) replied that Imaan is that you must have faith. Be it in Allah , Most High,, His messengers, His books, His angels and the Last Day. But in the Holy Qur’aan, Allah , Most High, had taught us that the dwellers of the desert, the Bedouin, they declared a bit to quickly (49th Sura, al-Hujeraat in verse 14):



We have faith!

Allah , Most High, responded:



Say to them, ‘Most certainly you don’t have imaan.’



“You should rather confine yourself to say, ‘We have entered into Islam!’




‘For as yet, Imaan has not entered into your hearts’


So the answer to question one is located on the lips, and then it has to be lived. Question two the answer is that Islam must travel from the lips and must enter into the heart as its location. What happens when faith enters into the heart?"

@GodIsTheStrengthOfMyHeart,
To me this is such a personal question.
After the initial leap of believing that a Creator exists, I find that Islam makes sense. That helps.

Primarily, I would say that we sacrifice for those that we love.

We sense and feel our relationship with the Creator.
However, faith according to our belief system ebbs and flows.
It is not static just as you are not static in your love for your spouse.
It is a relationship that needs constant nurturing, and protecting as well.
We must catch ourselves when we begin to be mechanical about it and we must feel and sense when our heart is not soft.
So we catch ourselves at this juncture and begin praise, pray, reflect, fast, give in charity and aid others among other things.
We increase our sacrifices and contemplation for and of our loved one God.
........ and engage in the acts of our heart and the acts of our limbs that He said He loves.

In our experiences we feel a sweetness and closeness from doing the acts that he loves.
Then we feel his love and mercy working in our lives.
We feel and see God's help and aid in our daily lives; God's hand is felt in our day to day affairs.

The Quran says, "when the heart comes alive, it can hear what otherwise could not be heard."
 
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“Who-ever says ‘Subhan Allahi wa bihamdihi’, (Meaning: Glorified and Exalted is The God (Allah) above all that they ascribe to Him and to Him is all the praise) one hundred times a day, will be forgiven all his sins even if they were as much as the foam of the sea.”
 

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The Most High can forgive all sins except the one where they attribute partners to His Oneness. There is only One God and only He is worthy of worship and as long as you keep that in mind and strive to do good and not cause corruption in this life you'll be okay.
 

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The Most High can forgive all sins except the one where they attribute partners to His Oneness. There is only One God and only He is worthy of worship and as long as you keep that in mind and strive to do good and not cause corruption in this life you'll be okay.
Hi Kung Fu!

Haven't seen you about for a while...
Would it be fair to say that this question of what will happen at the final judgement goes to the heart of the difference in view between Islam and Christianity? It is an appointment both of us believe we will one day make, though what we need to do about it in advance differs significantly between our respective faiths...
 

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Hi Kung Fu!

Haven't seen you about for a while...
Would it be fair to say that this question of what will happen at the final judgement goes to the heart of the difference in view between Islam and Christianity? It is an appointment both of us believe we will one day make, though what we need to do about it in advance differs significantly between our respective faiths...
Peace be upon you Red,

You hit the nail on the head. The differences between our way of lives is precisely this. We both essentially believe in the same things with minor differences but it's our perception of the events that have occurred, which causes our differences in the way the Final Day will go.
 

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“Who-ever says ‘Subhan Allahi wa bihamdihi’, (Meaning: Glorified and Exalted is The God (Allah) above all that they ascribe to Him and to Him is all the praise) one hundred times a day, will be forgiven all his sins even if they were as much as the foam of the sea.”
So do you have to also say Subhan Allahi wa bihamdihi 100 times a day along with all the other requirements such as believing in Allah specifically, believing in Muhammad and following the pillars, and having your supposed Good deeds outweigh your Bad deeds?

This verse shows the clear difference between the god of Islam and the One True God YHWH. This verse shows Islam is based on works, say this 100 times a day, then you will be forgiven. What if you miss a day or two or hundreds? Are your sins not forgiven, or only not the amount equal to the foam of the sea?

YHWH says Repent and Believe that Christ came and died for your Sins and confess with your mouth He is the Son of God and you will be forgiven, for by Grace thru Faith we are forgiven not of works lest any man boast!!!
 

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So do you have to also say Subhan Allahi wa bihamdihi 100 times a day along with all the other requirements such as believing in Allah specifically, believing in Muhammad and following the pillars, and having your supposed Good deeds outweigh your Bad deeds?

This verse shows the clear difference between the god of Islam and the One True God YHWH. This verse shows Islam is based on works, say this 100 times a day, then you will be forgiven. What if you miss a day or two or hundreds? Are your sins not forgiven, or only not the amount equal to the foam of the sea?

YHWH says Repent and Believe that Christ came and died for your Sins and confess with your mouth He is the Son of God and you will be forgiven, for by Grace thru Faith we are forgiven not of works lest any man boast!!!
Where have you been? Great to see you back.
 
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