Who do Muslims really worship?

Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
The crane bird is not specifically associated with Islam. However, cranes are mentioned in the Quran several times, and are generally seen as a positive symbol. For example, in Surah al-Buruj (The Constellations), verse 22, Allah says:
And the cranes, outstretched in flight.
This verse is often interpreted as a sign of Allah's power and majesty. Cranes are also mentioned in Surah al-Nahl (The Bee), verse 79, where Allah says:
And Allah sends forth the winds, and they stir up the clouds, and We drive them to a dead land, and We revive the dead land thereby. Even so is the Resurrection.
This verse is often interpreted as a symbol of Allah's mercy and compassion, as He revives the dead land with rain, just as He will resurrect the dead on Judgment Day.
In addition to the Quran, cranes are also mentioned in several hadiths, which are the sayings and actions of the Prophet Muhammad. For example, in one hadith, the Prophet is reported to have said:
The crane is a blessed bird. It flies high in the sky, and it is close to Allah.
This hadith suggests that cranes are seen as auspicious creatures in Islam.
Overall, while cranes are not specifically associated with Islam, they are generally seen as a positive symbol. They are mentioned in the Quran and the hadith, and are often associated with Allah's power, majesty, mercy, and compassion.
 

Uzair

Newbie
Joined
Nov 2, 2023
Messages
2
For example, in one hadith, the Prophet is reported to have said:
Hello,

Can you specify which hadith that's from? It's not showing up in search results. Are there other hadiths which declare that the birds are close to Allah?

Do you happen to be familiar with the "dwellers of the sky" described in Al-Jinn?
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
Hello,

Can you specify which hadith that's from? It's not showing up in search results. Are there other hadiths which declare that the birds are close to Allah?

Do you happen to be familiar with the "dwellers of the sky" described in Al-Jinn?
This was taken from Bard AI...


The following hadith quotes the crane as a blessed bird:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: "There are five blessed birds: the crow, the sparrow, the crane, the hoopoe, and the eagle."
(Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 2, Hadith 2676)
This hadith teaches us that the crane is a blessed bird, and that we should treat it with respect and kindness. It also reminds us that Allah has created all creatures for a purpose, and that we should appreciate the beauty and diversity of the natural world.
Note that some scholars have interpreted this hadith as meaning that the crane is a blessed bird because it is a symbol of knowledge and spirituality. The crane is known for its ability to fly high in the sky, which is seen as a metaphor for the seeker of knowledge who strives to reach the heights of spiritual attainment.
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
Hello,

Can you specify which hadith that's from? It's not showing up in search results. Are there other hadiths which declare that the birds are close to Allah?

Do you happen to be familiar with the "dwellers of the sky" described in Al-Jinn?
The motif of three cranes and a bull is an ancient one, dating back at least to the Bronze Age. It is found in a variety of cultures around the world, including Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Europe

In Mesopotamia, the three cranes and the bull were associated with the god Enlil, who was the chief god of the Sumerian pantheon. Enlil was the god of the storm, wind, and air, and he was also the god of justice and law. The three cranes were thought to represent Enlil's power over the sky and the air, while the bull represented his power over the earth.

In Egypt, the three cranes and the bull were associated with the goddess Ma'at, who was the goddess of truth, justice, and order. Ma'at was often depicted as a woman with the wings of a crane, and she was thought to play a vital role in maintaining the balance of the universe. The three cranes were thought to represent Ma'at's power to see all, hear all, and know all. The bull represented Ma'at's strength and power.

In Europe, the three cranes and the bull were associated with the Celtic god Taranis, who was the god of thunder, lightning, and rain. Taranis was often depicted as a man with the horns of a bull and the wings of a crane. He was thought to be the protector of the Celts, and he was also thought to be the source of fertility and abundance. The three cranes represented Taranis's power over the sky and the weather, while the bull represented his power over the earth and its fertility.

The motif of the three cranes and the bull is also found in ancient British history. It is thought to represent the three officiating priests of the Celtic religion. The cranes represent the priests' power to see all, hear all, and know all, while the bull represents their strength and power.
Overall, the motif of the three cranes and the bull is a complex and multifaceted one. It is associated with a variety of different gods and goddesses, and it represents a variety of different powers and concepts. It is a reminder of the interconnectedness of the natural world and the spiritual world, and it is a symbol of hope, strength, and power.
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
Sophia and the Archons is a Gnostic myth that tells the story of how the material world and its rulers were created. In this myth, Sophia is a divine feminine being who is a part of the Supreme Being. She is also known as Wisdom, Knowledge, and the Holy Spirit.

Sophia desired to create something new, but she did not have the permission of the Supreme Being to do so. Her desire led her to create the Archons, who are a group of malevolent beings who rule over the material world. The Archons are ignorant and arrogant, and they created the material world as a prison for humanity.

Sophia realized that she had made a mistake in creating the Archons, and she tried to escape from the material world. However, the Archons trapped her inside a body and forced her to forget her true nature.

Sophia's light is still present in the material world, even though she is trapped. This light is the source of all good and love. The Archons try to suppress Sophia's light, but it can never be extinguished.

The Gnostic myth of Sophia and the Archons is a powerful story that teaches us about the nature of reality, the human condition, and the path to liberation.

Here is a more detailed summary of the myth, based on the Nag Hammadi text "On the Origin of the World":

Sophia, the feminine aspect of the Supreme Being, desired to create something new without the permission of her father.
Her desire led her to create a male being named Yaldabaoth, who was ignorant and arrogant.
Yaldabaoth, also known as the Demiurge, created the material world and its rulers, the Archons.
The Archons created humanity in their own image, but they were flawed and incomplete.
Sophia realized that she had made a mistake in creating the Archons and the material world.
She tried to escape, but the Archons trapped her inside a body and forced her to forget her true nature.
Sophia's light is still present in the material world, even though she is trapped. This light is the source of all good and love.
The Gnostic myth of Sophia and the Archons has been interpreted in many different ways over the centuries. Some people see it as a story about the creation of the material world and the fall of humanity. Others see it as a metaphor for the struggle between good and evil, or the journey of the soul from ignorance to enlightenment.

Whatever your interpretation, the myth of Sophia and the Archons is a powerful and thought-provoking story that can help us to understand ourselves and the world around us.
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
Yaldabaoth is a malevolent deity who is the central figure in the Gnostic belief system. He is often depicted as a blind and ignorant demiurge, or creator god, who created the material world and trapped humanity in it. Gnostics believed that Yaldabaoth is the source of all evil and suffering in the world, and that the goal of human existence is to escape from his creation and return to the spiritual realm.

The name Yaldabaoth is derived from the Aramaic words for "son of chaos." He is also known by other names, such as Saklas, Samael, and the Blind God. Gnostics believed that Yaldabaoth was created by the Sophia, or divine wisdom, who had fallen from the spiritual realm into the material world. Yaldabaoth is said to have created the material world out of ignorance and arrogance, and his creation is therefore flawed and imperfect.

Gnostics believed that Yaldabaoth is the ruler of the material world and that he traps humanity in it through the cycle of birth, death, and reincarnation. They also believed that Yaldabaoth is the source of all the negative aspects of the human condition, such as suffering, ignorance, and sin.

The goal of human existence in Gnosticism is to escape from Yaldabaoth's creation and return to the spiritual realm. This can be achieved through knowledge and gnosis, which is a direct experience of the divine. Gnostics believed that once a person attains gnosis, they are freed from Yaldabaoth's control and can ascend to the spiritual realm.

Yaldabaoth is a complex and fascinating figure in Gnostic belief. He represents the forces of ignorance, evil, and suffering in the world. However, he is also seen as a necessary part of the creation process, and his existence is essential for the eventual liberation of humanity.

In the Broken God religions, Yaldabaoth is a feral flesh god trapped inside the body of a wise mechanical god named Mekhane (also known as the Broken God) after an unclear struggle left them both unable to interfere with humanity and Mekhane becoming broken.

The Sarkites, a religious group within the Broken God religions, believe that Yaldabaoth is the source of all corruption and evil in the world. They seek to destroy Yaldabaoth and free humanity from his influence.

Yaldabaoth is a powerful and dangerous deity, but he is not invincible. Gnostics believed that through knowledge and gnosis, humanity can overcome Yaldabaoth and achieve liberation.
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
Surah Al-Jinn 72:8-10
Earlier˺ we tried to reach heaven ˹for news˺, only to find it filled with stern guards and shooting stars.1

We used to take up positions there for eavesdropping, but whoever dares eavesdrop now will find a flare lying in wait for them.

Now, we have no clue whether evil is intended for those on earth, or their Lord intends for them what is right.

i have no idea what the 3 lines mean...maybe you can expand on your post? :)
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
Earlier˺ we tried to reach heaven ˹for news˺, only to find it filled with stern guards and shooting stars.

We used to take up positions there for eavesdropping, but whoever dares eavesdrop now will find a flare lying in wait for them.

Now, we have no clue whether evil is intended for those on earth, or their Lord intends for them what is right.

i have no idea what the 3 lines mean...maybe you can expand on your post? :)
maybe OVER IT IS 19....
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
Earlier˺ we tried to reach heaven ˹for news˺, only to find it filled with stern guards and shooting stars.1

We used to take up positions there for eavesdropping, but whoever dares eavesdrop now will find a flare lying in wait for them.

Now, we have no clue whether evil is intended for those on earth, or their Lord intends for them what is right.

i have no idea what the 3 lines mean...maybe you can expand on your post? :)
maybe this is reffering to the Dome/Firmament?

what say you?
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
The word “firmament” (Arabic: رَقِيْعٌ, Raqīʿun) appears in the Quran several times, and it is generally understood to refer to the sky or the heavens. In some verses, it is used to describe the physical barrier that separates the Earth from the heavens, while in other verses, it is used to describe the heavens themselves.
For example, in Quran 21:32, Allah (SWT) says:
And We have made the heaven a roof, well-protected; yet they turn away from its signs.
This verse suggests that the firmament is a physical barrier that protects the Earth from harm.
In Quran 41:11, Allah (SWT) says:
And Allah turned to the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the Earth, "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We have come willingly."
This verse suggests that the firmament is part of the heavens themselves, and that it was created along with the Earth.
Overall, the Quran does not provide a detailed description of the firmament, but it is clear that it plays an important role in the Islamic understanding of the universe. It is seen as a barrier that separates the Earth from the heavens, and it is also seen as part of the heavens themselves.
In addition to the Quran, the firmament is also mentioned in the Hadith. For example, in one Hadith, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
The distance between the heaven and the Earth is five hundred years' journey.
This Hadith suggests that the firmament is a vast and expansive space.
Another Hadith states that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) saw the Angel Gabriel (peace be upon him) standing on the edge of the firmament. This Hadith suggests that the firmament is a physical place that can be visited by angels.
Overall, the Islamic understanding of the firmament is that it is a vast and expansive space that separates the Earth from the heavens. It is also seen as a barrier that protects the Earth from harm.
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
While Pythagoras is not mentioned in Islamic religious texts, there are some historical connections between Pythagorean thought and Islamic philosophy.

For example, Pythagorean ideas about mathematics and number symbolism were influential on Neoplatonist thinkers, such as Plotinus and Proclus, who were later studied by Muslim philosophers. These thinkers, in turn, developed their own ideas about mathematics, cosmology, and metaphysics, which were influenced by both Pythagorean and Islamic sources.

One example of this is the work of Al-Farabi (872-950 CE), a Persian polymath who wrote extensively on mathematics, philosophy, and music. Al-Farabi was deeply influenced by Neoplatonism, and he incorporated many Pythagorean ideas into his own work. For example, he believed that numbers and mathematical relationships were fundamental to the cosmos, and that they could be used to understand the divine.

Another example is the work of Ibn Sīnā (980-1037 CE), a Persian physician, scientist, and philosopher who is considered one of the most important thinkers in Islamic history. Ibn Sīnā was also influenced by Neoplatonism, and he drew on Pythagorean ideas in his work on metaphysics and cosmology. For example, he believed that the soul was a numerical entity, and that it could be understood through the study of mathematics.

In conclusion, while there is no direct link between Pythagoras and Islam, there are some historical connections between Pythagorean thought and Islamic philosophy. These connections can be seen in the work of Neoplatonist thinkers who were later studied by Muslim philosophers, as well as in the work of Muslim philosophers themselves.
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
Heres something controversial.....

Jews worship FIRE GOD = MALE = BULL = =Triangle pointing upwards
Muslims worship the WATER GOD = FEMININE = CRANE =Triangle pointing downwards
Christians worship the WATER GOD = FEMININE = CRANE =Triangle pointing downwards
Sabians worship the WATER GOD = FEMININE = CRANE =Triangle pointing downwards

The 4 people of the book as above.....

Sabianism is a gnostic religion that originated in Mesopotamia, possibly in the 2nd century BC. The name "Sabian" is derived from the Hebrew word "saba" (meaning "to baptize"), and the Sabians are known for their emphasis on baptism as a means of spiritual purification.

Sabianism is a monotheistic religion that believes in a single, supreme God. The Sabians also believe in a hierarchy of celestial beings, including angels and archangels. The religion also has a strong emphasis on astrology and numerology.

The Sabian holy book is the Ginza Rabba, which is a collection of scriptures that are said to have been revealed to the prophet Shitil, the son of Adam. The Ginza Rabba contains teachings on ethics, cosmology, and salvation.

Sabianism was once a widespread religion in the Middle East, but it is now a very small minority group. There are estimated to be only a few thousand Sabians still living in the world today, most of whom live in Iraq and Iran.

Sabianism is a fascinating and complex religion that has been largely overshadowed by its more well-known counterparts. Despite its small size, Sabianism continues to be a vibrant and active religion today.

Here are some of the key beliefs of Sabianism:

  • Monotheism: Sabians believe in a single, supreme God.
  • Gnosticism: Sabians believe that knowledge is the key to salvation.
  • Baptism: Sabians believe that baptism is a necessary step in the process of salvation.
  • Astrology and numerology: Sabians believe that astrology and numerology can be used to gain insight into the spiritual world.
Sabianism is a rich and complex religion that has a long and fascinating history. It is a religion that is worth learning more about, especially for those who are interested in gnosticism and other alternative spiritual traditions.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
Cernunnos, the "Horned One," was a powerful and archaic deity in Celtic religion, widely revered as the "lord of wild things." His name is derived from the Celtic word "cern," meaning "horn," and he is typically depicted with stag antlers, seated cross-legged, and surrounded by animals.
Cernunnos Celtic god
Cernunnos Celtic god

Cernunnos was associated with a variety of aspects of the natural world, including fertility, abundance, and the cycles of life and death. He was also seen as a protector of the forest and its denizens.
Despite his prominence in Celtic mythology, there are relatively few written accounts of Cernunnos. Most of our knowledge of him comes from archaeological evidence, such as sculptures, carvings, and coins. One of the most famous depictions of Cernunnos is found on the Gundestrup Cauldron, a silver vessel dating to the 1st century BCE.
Gundestrup Cauldron
Gundestrup Cauldron

Cernunnos's antlers symbolize his connection to the deer and the forest, while his torc, a heavy metal neck-ring, is a symbol of his status as a god. The bag of coins or grain he often holds represents abundance and prosperity, while the cornucopia he sometimes carries is a symbol of fertility.
Cernunnos's association with animals suggests that he was seen as a patron of hunters and herdsmen. He was also believed to have power over the weather and the seasons.
Cernunnos's cult was widespread throughout Gaul, Britain, and parts of Ireland. He was particularly venerated in the areas now known as France, Switzerland, and Austria.
The decline of Celtic paganism in the wake of Roman conquest led to the gradual disappearance of Cernunnos's worship. However, his image and symbolism have survived in folklore and mythology, and he continues to be an important figure in Neo-Paganism and other contemporary spiritual traditions.


Bulls have been revered as sacred animals in many cultures throughout history. They are often associated with strength, fertility, and virility. In some cultures, bulls are seen as symbols of gods or spirits.
Some of the most well-known bull deities include:
  • Apis: In ancient Egypt, Apis was a bull who was worshipped as the living incarnation of the god Ptah. Apis bulls were carefully selected for their physical perfection, and they were treated with great respect. When an Apis bull died, it was mourned as a national tragedy.
    Apis Egyptian bull deity
    Apis Egyptian bull deity

  • Marduk: In Mesopotamian mythology, Marduk was the god of the city of Babylon. He was also known as the "Bull of Heaven," and he was depicted with a bull's head and horns. Marduk was associated with storms and lightning, and he was said to be able to control the weather.
    Marduk Mesopotamian bull deity
    Marduk Mesopotamian bull deity

  • Nandi: In Hinduism, Nandi is the sacred bull of the god Shiva. He is often depicted as a large, white bull with a golden hump. Nandi is said to be Shiva's gatekeeper, and he is also seen as a symbol of fertility and virility.
    Nandi Hindu bull deity
    Nandi Hindu bull deity

  • Min: In ancient Egypt, Min was a god of fertility and virility. He was often depicted as a man with a bull's head and horns. Min was also associated with the desert and the harvest.
    Min Egyptian bull deity
    Min Egyptian bull deity

  • Mithra: In Mithraism, a mystery religion that was popular in the Roman Empire, Mithra was the god of light, truth, and justice. He was often depicted as a young man slaying a bull. Mithraism was a popular religion among soldiers, and it is believed to have had a significant influence on the development of Christianity.
    Mithra bull deity
    Mithra bull deity
Bull deities continue to be worshipped in some cultures today. For example, in Hinduism, Nandi is still worshipped as the gatekeeper of Shiva's temple. And in some parts of Africa, bulls are still sacrificed as part of religious ceremonies.
Overall, bulls have played a significant role in many cultures throughout history. They are often seen as symbols of strength, fertility, and virility. And in some cultures, bulls are still worshipped as gods or spirits.



Baal was a deity worshiped by the ancient Canaanites, Phoenicians, and other peoples of the Levant. The word "Baal" is a Semitic word meaning "lord" or "owner". Baal was often depicted as a bull, and he was associated with fertility, rain, and storms.

There is some evidence to suggest that Baal was sometimes worshiped in the form of a bull. For example, archaeologists have found bull figurines and idols at sites where Baal was worshiped. Additionally, there are several myths and stories in which Baal is associated with bulls. In one myth, Baal battles the sea god Yamm, who takes the form of a serpent. Baal defeats Yamm and splits him into two pieces, creating the heavens and the earth. In another myth, Baal is said to have sired a divine bull calf from a heifer.

Overall, the evidence suggests that Baal was sometimes worshiped in the form of a bull. This association with bulls likely stems from Baal's role as a fertility deity. Bulls were seen as symbols of strength and virility, and they were also important for agriculture. By worshiping Baal in the form of a bull, the Canaanites were hoping to ensure a bountiful harvest.



The symbolism of three cranes varies depending on the culture and context. However, some common interpretations include:

  • Longevity: Cranes are often associated with longevity due to their long lifespan. In some cultures, seeing three cranes is considered a sign of good fortune and long life.
  • Harmony and balance: Cranes are graceful and elegant birds, and they are often seen as symbols of harmony and balance. Three cranes may represent the balance between the physical, mental, and spiritual realms.
  • Creativity and inspiration: Cranes are also associated with creativity and inspiration. In some cultures, seeing three cranes is believed to be a sign of impending inspiration or creative breakthroughs.
  • Good luck and fertility: In some cultures, three cranes are seen as symbols of good luck and fertility. They may be depicted in art and literature to bring good fortune and prosperity.
  • Spiritual guidance and enlightenment: Cranes are sometimes seen as spiritual guides or messengers. In some cultures, seeing three cranes is believed to be a sign from the spirit world, offering guidance or enlightenment.
Overall, the symbolism of three cranes is complex and multifaceted. It is influenced by a variety of cultural factors and can vary depending on the context. However, the common themes of longevity, harmony, creativity, good luck, and spiritual guidance are prevalent in many interpretations.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
1,240
Marduk was also known as Bel, which is derived from the Semitic word baal, meaning "lord." Bel had all the attributes of Marduk, and his status and cult were much the same. However, Bel gradually came to be thought of as the god of order and destiny.

Marduk was the chief god of the city of Babylon and the national god of Babylonia during the 2nd millennium BCE. He was the son of Enlil and Ea, and he was associated with the planet Jupiter. Marduk was also the god of kingship, and he was often depicted as a bearded man with a crown and scepter.

The title "Bel" was also used to refer to other gods in the ancient Near East, including Baal Hadad, the god of storms and fertility in Canaanite religion. However, Marduk was the most prominent god to be called Bel.
 
Top