Without Tawheed, all your deeds are useless and worthless.

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if you believe the "Catholics created Islam" thing... would you be interested in buying a beach house in Arkansas from me?

the stuff people come up with.... it just makes me more convinced of Islam.... "they are worshipping a MOON GOD!".... "the Mooslems are doing TAQIYYAH".... "ILHAN IS A RADICAL WAHHABI FUNDAMENTALIST".... "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM BRINGING SHARIA!!!!!"
 

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if you believe the "Catholics created Islam" thing... would you be interested in buying a beach house in Arkansas from me?

the stuff people come up with.... it just makes me more convinced of Islam.... "they are worshipping a MOON GOD!".... "the Mooslems are doing TAQIYYAH".... "ILHAN IS A RADICAL WAHHABI FUNDAMENTALIST".... "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM BRINGING SHARIA!!!!!"
Bit simmilar to the assumptions you make on Christianity don’t you think?.
is all the man saying completely wrong?.
 

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Bit simmilar to the assumptions you make on Christianity don’t you think?.
is all the man saying completely wrong?.
I don't know what he said, I didn't listen and don't plan to. and what have I said about Christianity that is incorrect or wildly inaccurate?
 
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Have you ever read the Quran or even checked that chapter?

Are you so misguided that you can not tell the antidote from the poison?
Or are you from the ranks of those that misguide? Either way, it is to your detriment.

O believers! Protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, overseen by formidable and severe angels, who never disobey whatever Allah orders—always doing as commanded.

The deniers will then be told,˺ “O disbelievers! Make no excuses this Day! You are only rewarded for what you used to do.”

O believers! Turn to Allah in sincere repentance, so your Lord may absolve you of your sins and admit you into Gardens, under which rivers flow, on the Day Allah will not disgrace the Prophet or the believers with him. Their light will shine ahead of them and on their right. They will say, “Our Lord! Perfect our light for us, and forgive us. ˹For˺ You are truly Most Capable of everything.”

O Prophet! Struggle against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be firm with them. Hell will be their home. What an evil destination!

Allah sets forth an example for the disbelievers: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. Each was married to one of Our righteous servants, yet betrayed them. So their husbands were of no benefit to them against Allah whatsoever. Both were told, “Enter the Fire, along with the others!”

And Allah sets forth an example for the believers: the wife of Pharaoh, who prayed, “My Lord! Build me a house in Paradise near You, deliver me from Pharaoh and his ˹evil˺ doing, and save me from the wrongdoing people.”

There is˺ also ˹the example of˺ Mary, the daughter of ’Imrân, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her ˹womb˺ through Our angel ˹Gabriel˺.She testified to the words of her Lord and His Scriptures, and was one of the ˹sincerely˺ devout.


Quran 66:6 -66:12
Looking at those verses….

How can Allah simply forgive people’s sins and let them in Paradise?

If he merely forgives sin, he CANNOT be just.

Sin MUST be paid for, and the payment commanded by God is death and Hell.

So, without a Saviour, every sinner MUST go to Hell to pay for their sins. And everyone has sinned.

There is no salvation in Islam—the Quran never presents a solution to the issue of sins.

Also, it says Noah’s wife went to Hell, which is false. She got on the ark with Noah out of faith; she was saved.

Mary’s father was Joachim, not “Imran”.
 
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So now it's multiplying instead of adding? Lol! Man, I have to say, I do find the rationales amusing, but please continue and apologies for interrupting.
Yes, it is more accurate, because we are not adding up 3 different “gods”.

Rather, it is the three different components of the SAME, single God.

I am a spirit, with a soul, in a body of flesh. ….and these 3 ARE 1.

Same concept….my spirit is NOT my body, or soul. My soul is NOT my spirit or my body. My body is NOT my soul or spirit.

These 3 are different, yet all ONE Claire.
 

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How can Allah simply forgive people’s sins and let them in Paradise?

If he merely forgives sin, he CANNOT be just.
Why not?
Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: O ‘Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, verily, Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [39:53]

Allah says, stating that He forgives the greatest of sins (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who invoke not any other ilah (god) along with Allah, nor kill such a person as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.

The torment will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace;

Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds; for those, Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [25:68-70]



If he merely forgives sin, he CANNOT be just.
On what grounds do you believe that Allah The Most High is not Just?
Why would you say merely forgives?
Why do we need a pagan-like blood sacrifice?
Why would Adam who committed a minor sin need the sacrifice of Prophet Jesus?
There is no inherited sin in Islam, only personal responsibility.
He disobeyed Allah by the sin of eating from the forbidden tree and learned words of repentance from the Creator.
This differentiated Adam peace be upon him from Satan who refused to repent.
This is the case of the followers of Satan they are too arrogant to repent and cease wrongdoing, whereas, the righteous children of Adam are able to repent and not follow the footsteps of shaitan.

Then Adam was inspired with words ˹of prayer˺ by his Lord, so He accepted his repentance.
Surely He is the Accepter of Repentance, Most Merciful.
Holy Quran 2:37


There is no salvation in Islam—the Quran never presents a solution to the issue of sins.
A solution to sins:
Say, “O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.”
Surah Az-Zumar, Verse 53 (39:53)

"Salvation can only be attained through fulfilling commands, not just by avoiding things that are forbidden.
• If every person has a guarantee of Paradise, this would be utterly disastrous, because then everyone would commit all kinds of forbidden acts, feeling safe because of this guarantee.
• Islam also guarantees the disbeliever who ignores the commands of Allah that he will definitely enter Hell
.• The individual bears the responsibility for his own sin; no one else should bear this burden for him, nor should he bear the burden for anyone else. • The key to Islam is no more than two simple phrases: Ash-hadu an la ilaha ill-Allah wa anna Muhammadan Rasul-Allah. " I Bear witness that there is Only The One God and Prophet Muhammad is His messenger."
source: islamqa.info

Also, it says Noah’s wife went to Hell, which is false. She got on the ark with Noah out of faith; she was saved.

Mary’s father was Joachim, not “Imran”.
We believe the Torah and Injeel have been distorted. If people are interested in the stories about the Prophets according to the Quran, please go here:
articles:
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Christianity IS true monotheism.

And my math is correct:

1 x 1 x 1 = 1
Monotheism is not by numerical sameness.
Polytheism is not a problem of numbers.
It is not a counting problem.
The fact is that according to your theology:
The Holy Trinity is contrived of 3 persons and they are not identical like the number 1.
To be identical is to be equal and to share the same properties.
The fact of the matter is that there is something different between all 3.
The father is a God.
The son is a God.
The Holy spirit is God.
The father is different from the son.
The son is begotten of the father.
The father is not begotten.
If they are each God and yet they are different this counts for Polytheism in Islam.
They are 3 because of these distinctions in identity.
 
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I mean... I am not into Hinduism or Vishnu or whatever or looking to go super deep into Hindu philosophy... ana Muslim...

I would like if you just clearly say whether you believe in wahdat ul wajood and whether this is what you mean with immanence.... I'm not looking to go deep into Plotinus or Hinduism or Sikhism or whatever, ana Muslim
i answered you twice you stupid fucking prick
 
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I really don't think using profanity and calling people names is worthy of a discussion of whatever tahweed is. I admit I have no idea what it is but am horrified to learn that all my deeds are useless and worthless and will try to be a better person regardless.
 
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you get this mad because I'm not interested in the intracacies of Hinduism and Vishnu, it seems. i just wanted simple answer, not an essay on Hinduism. I hope you don't try to lynch me if you catch me eating beef

im mad because i went in depth explaining what those ideas ibn arabi believed in (you asked) were AND WHY I ISLAMICALLY DISAGREE WITH THOSE OPINIONS AND WHERE ISLAM STANDS TALL
the fact you fucking disrespected me by wasting my time and then blabbering shit without any actual context or knowledge means you're a total fucking haraami.
 
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I really don't think using profanity and calling people names is worthy of a discussion of whatever tahweed is. I admit I have no idea what it is but am horrified to learn that all my deeds are useless and worthless and will try to be a better person regardless.

"I hope you don't try to lynch me if you catch me eating beef "
ie he thinks im hindu, because i spoke about hinduism, vishnu etc.


on GOD, he's a peice of shit. no excuse at all for him.
 

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"I hope you don't try to lynch me if you catch me eating beef "
ie he thinks im hindu, because i spoke about hinduism, vishnu etc.


on GOD, he's a peice of shit. no excuse at all for him.
which God? the one Muslims believe in or one of the Hindu deities?
 

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you can't get mad bcuz I simply asked for a simple straightforward explanation. You can't get mad at me because I'm not trying to go deep into the depths of Hindu philosophy. I'm not a Hindu nor am I a follower of the religion that you @AspiringSoul seem to share with Emperor Akbar
 
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you can't get mad bcuz I simply asked for a simple straightforward explanation. You can't get mad at me because I'm not trying to go deep into the depths of Hindu philosophy. I'm not a Hindu nor am I a follower of the religion that you @AspiringSoul seem to share with Emperor Akbar

why didnt you read everything i wrote? are you uneducated? you failed to understand my points.

in the Quran and hadith, Jesus AS is referred to as Allah's WORD (Kalam). I began by explaining the context. The term Kalam or Word, originate from theg reek philosophical term LOGOS. in the context the concept of the logos was heavily influenced by the hindu concept of Vishnu.
Vishnu means the universal spirit/consciousness.
Basically, it's like in islam we have Allah breathed HIS SPIRIT into man.

by going into ibn arabi/sufism etc all i was trying to do was explain that this 'Spirit' is not equated with Allah directly, it is His Eternal expression.
i also explained that all humans share the same metaphysical reality. only our interpretations differ. So, when hindus believe in universal concepts like an Absolute Trancendent Essence (Brahman)...whilst they have their own interpretations, i don't doubt that underlying all of it, is the same truth (we call that, Allah).

Prophet Mohammad SAW said 'when you sleep your spirit returns to Allah'
in hinduism they call that turiya consciousness.

ive studied hinduism, sufism etc but only because i was curious about certain aspects of their beliefs. hinduism, is not my religion..and to read my posts, ignore most of the content or let it go over your head, to say

"listen, am not interested in da hinduisms and vishnuz, just tall me iz dat wahhat al wujud'...makes you a complete prick. it is insulting.
if you're going to post on these type of forums and ask questions like that, expect in depth answers if you speak to someone with some degree of intelligence.


which God? the one Muslims believe in or one of the Hindu deities?
we both say Allah...but you believe in a 60 cubit tall anthromorphic humanoid God. you're a wobbler, a literalist.

i dont follow sects..and i certainly dont believe in what you believe.
 
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