Does Democracy Work?

Aero

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Democracy is an experiment first and foremost. It's like a machine, that lives and breathes. We can try to fine tune the machine and sometimes we improve it. Sometimes our tuning is detrimental. But it will always be imperfect.

And I don't worship evil beings Lmao. So I think I'll be a good member of the Tribe. But can I be the one that busts heads?
 

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Democracy is an experiment first and foremost. It's like a machine, that lives and breathes. We can try to fine tune the machine and sometimes we improve it. Sometimes our tuning is detrimental. But it will always be imperfect.

And I don't worship evil beings Lmao. So I think I'll be a good member of the Tribe. But can I be the one that busts heads?
Yes, comrade. Ye shall be known as Aero Blue Foot, Buster of Heads. Otherwise known as Aero Blue Foot, Buster of Heads and Bringer of Democracy to Foreign Tribes. May God grant you protection and may all nations recognize that your enemies had it coming, as all who oppose the mighty tribe shall henceforth be known as Terrorists and thus be legally open to the busting of the head.
 

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The tribe also seeks a worthy Name, a High Minister of Education and also declares itself open to applicants who feel they can be worthy members of the tribe and its high standards of covfefe.
 

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I don't know if you want me to pick your guild name. I would pull out some role playing game stuff. Turn the whole thing into some kind of fantasy vampire clan. And the power structure among vampires is chaotic at best. First of all the pure blood vampires run the whole show. The Camarilla sect or the "Ivory Tower". The oldest vampires end up with the most power.

Maybe that's a good thing. But I think our elders have led us astray. They aren't above any manner of butchery and backstabbing to enforce the rules. That vampires remain hidden from the rest of society. That if the elders are challenged there will be blood. Everyone has to learn to fight in this type of society. Every day is literally a fight for survival.

I think some of the people here would fit well into one of these types of clans.

Toreador
: A clan of sensitive, artistic, and sometimes debauched hedonists fascinated by the mortal world and its artistic creations. The Toreador are enthralled by the ever-changing mortal world and are one of the few clans, as a whole, to seek to keep up with it. Toreador often Embrace for beauty or to preserve some artistic talent. Beauty can utterly captivate them causing them to become immobilized and unable to act for a period of time.

Tremere: A clan of blood sorcerers and mages originally belonging to the Order of Hermes. The Tremere gained their immortal status by experimenting with Tzimisce Vitae. Their ambitious founder Diablerized the Antediluvian of the former clan Salubri, solidifying the Tremere's status as a clan. Their Discipline of Thaumaturgy allow them to use the power of their blood to cast spells but their dependency on Vitae makes them more easily susceptible to Blood Bonds. The clan is highly organized and its members are all partially Blood Bound to the ruling seven Elders of the clan

Malkavian: A clan of lunatics whose madness grants them strange insight. Their Discipline of Dementation allows them to spread their insanity like a plague (prior to the third edition, knowledge of this Discipline was suppressed within the Camarilla). All members of this clan are insane in one manner or another
 

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Where does this stuff come from? It's very elaborate and impressive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade

I never played the tabletop game. But the video games were good. "Bloodlines" especially is a cult classic. And not just because it was flawed due to production delays. The story is very immersive. You save this girls life and turn her into a vampire familiar. And she ends up dying and it traumatized me.
 

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I don't know if you want me to pick your guild name. I would pull out some role playing game stuff. Turn the whole thing into some kind of fantasy vampire clan. And the power structure among vampires is chaotic at best. First of all the pure blood vampires run the whole show. The Camarilla sect or the "Ivory Tower". The oldest vampires end up with the most power.

Maybe that's a good thing. But I think our elders have led us astray. They aren't above any manner of butchery and backstabbing to enforce the rules. That vampires remain hidden from the rest of society. That if the elders are challenged there will be blood. Everyone has to learn to fight in this type of society. Every day is literally a fight for survival.

I think some of the people here would fit well into one of these types of clans.

Toreador
: A clan of sensitive, artistic, and sometimes debauched hedonists fascinated by the mortal world and its artistic creations. The Toreador are enthralled by the ever-changing mortal world and are one of the few clans, as a whole, to seek to keep up with it. Toreador often Embrace for beauty or to preserve some artistic talent. Beauty can utterly captivate them causing them to become immobilized and unable to act for a period of time.

Tremere: A clan of blood sorcerers and mages originally belonging to the Order of Hermes. The Tremere gained their immortal status by experimenting with Tzimisce Vitae. Their ambitious founder Diablerized the Antediluvian of the former clan Salubri, solidifying the Tremere's status as a clan. Their Discipline of Thaumaturgy allow them to use the power of their blood to cast spells but their dependency on Vitae makes them more easily susceptible to Blood Bonds. The clan is highly organized and its members are all partially Blood Bound to the ruling seven Elders of the clan

Malkavian: A clan of lunatics whose madness grants them strange insight. Their Discipline of Dementation allows them to spread their insanity like a plague (prior to the third edition, knowledge of this Discipline was suppressed within the Camarilla). All members of this clan are insane in one manner or another
If that became law in your new society to play that kind of game then I'll be a lawbreaker.
Never understood the attraction of Dungeons and Dragons type of games.
 

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Democracy is the worse and the most unfair form of government that can ever exist. It just doesnt work, its something so cruel that is glorified under the illusion of equality.
 

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Democracy is the worse and the most unfair form of government that can ever exist. It just doesnt work, its something so cruel that is glorified under the illusion of equality.
But what are the alternatives to democracy?
Open dictatorships (e.g. Augusto Pinochet), group dictatorships (e.g. 20th century Russian/ Chinese Communism), or religious tyranny nations e.g. Iraq.
Where do refugees of all types want to go to: non-democratic nations or democractic nations?
 

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I want y'all in my tribe! #tribalism

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What if someone attacks your tribe? A big country like China for example. What if someone gets sick? One of you better be a doctor and also know how to make medicine. Also, you're deciding who can enter the tribe. You're already acting like a dictator. You'll have to ask others too. But then you'll have democracy. I think your tribe wouldn't last 10 years.
 

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What if someone attacks your tribe? A big country like China for example. What if someone gets sick? One of you better be a doctor and also know how to make medicine. Also, you're deciding who can enter the tribe. You're already acting like a dictator. You'll have to ask others too. But then you'll have democracy. I think your tribe wouldn't last 10 years.
My tribe has vampire abilities (at least some of the tribe) and an underground facility with a nuclear bomb-resistant structure, food supplies and a disco ball. Plus fancy titles and medicine. And let's just say we have our ways when it comes to dealing with sickness :cool:

 

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Lol yes. Anyone who tries to attack the tribe will be met with serious force. An army of shapeshifting monsters for our front line. Blood mages to rain down terror and destruction. A clan of expert assassins and that's all just icing on the blood cake. Our problems would all be internal. And I don't mean the fact that we drink blood.

Lawbreakers like Jochris would mean there could be open rebellion. Or just a lot of disagreements. Which is kind of the main problem with democracy. Too many idealists basically. There aren't enough chiefs actually playing the chief role properly. So what you end up with is the cluster fuck of red tape that is so prevalent now. Like you have to go through the right "channels" just to get anything done. And getting through that channel is like swimming against the current, while other people stand and point at you.

Call me crazy but I actually like a well run Monarchy. If you have the right King or Queen that is. If you don't you are totally screwed.
 

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Lawbreakers like Jochris would mean there could be open rebellion.
Well the tribe is in open rebellion. Some of it is. Its rebel factions are in open rebellion against the world system and are swapping recipes and MK ULTRA secrets as well as praying to or not praying to God as they understand Him.

I was thinking we could be peaceful anarchist or non-anarachist rebels who pretty much can what we want- be Muslims, Christians, vampires, etc.- and also work a 20 hour work week or simply possess the means of production.
 
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But what are the alternatives to democracy?
Open dictatorships (e.g. Augusto Pinochet), group dictatorships (e.g. 20th century Russian/ Chinese Communism), or religious tyranny nations e.g. Iraq.
Where do refugees of all types want to go to: non-democratic nations or democractic nations?
Do you want to be the head Christian minister?
 
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