THANK YOU for the response and clarification of this.
You're welcome.
Unfortunately this is true.
But that doesnt address my point that under our current economic system people exchange money for goods and services, both allopathic or not. And that for the poor the only option is often state subsided allopathic treatments.
Why is that the only option?
I don't consider it actual witchcraft because it doesn't require an explicit faith in it. That some people place faith in it is besides the point.
Can you tell us then please what the specific list of ingredients are in any pill or injection you may feel is "safe and effective" or is "saving lives"? This isn't meant to put you on the spot (it's more of a rhetorical question, knowing you cannot answer it); it's only to illustrate that taking ANY pharmaceutical "medicines" requires one to place their trust in others and in organizations that profit from sick people, that the ingredients are allegedly not harmful.
Any honest research into the litigation that has transpired over "side-effects" up to and including death, should cure anyone who mistakenly believes that pharmacy is somehow helping people, when it is the historical leading cause of death.
How does surgery play into "mixing up of concoctions/potions/witches' brew" anyway? Are you saying surgery is fine if there were no anesthesia involved?
No.
I agree with this completely. And genetic matnipulation of organisms is so obviously evil that i've been opposed to it for much longer than i've been a believer in God.
Glad we agree.
But other than doing our own part to the best of our ability, i don't see how as individuals we should take on the blame of the elites' actions.
A nation gets the leaders they deserve. If we kept and enforced God's Law, there would be no politicians, nor any banksters, nor any witch-doctors, nor any lawyers, nor any filthy rich oligarchs running this planet into the ground for more money and control/power.
Part of God's Perfect Law of Liberty is His Perfect economic policy, which has built in debt relief to prevent anyone from becoming poor and destitute, while at the same time preventing anyone from becoming filthy rich either.
Nor do i see how this is a salvation issue. After all, the book of Revelation tells us that the earth will be destroyed after the second coming of Christ and recreated.
It does specifically tell us that Father will destroy them that destroy the Earth (
Rev. 11:18) and that it's impossible for a rich person to gain entrance into the Kingdom of God (
Matt. 19:24).
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-21-1/
Another fresh start (just like the times of Noah), this time with 144,000.
How can you presume that it's not part of God's plan if you will allow for "specific deficiencies to teach us exactly what we need to learn "?
Nothing is being presumed. IF a child reaches full term and is born deaf or blind, then that is God's Will, to teach the Soul/spirit-Being that He places inside of that body the humility it wouldn't learn any other way.
IF, on the other hand, the pregnancy ends in a miscarriage, then that is likewise God's Plan, as there was something about that particular fetus that made it not suitable for a spirit-Being to inhabit/incarnate. So when humans rush in to try to save that which is God is naturally trying to expel for His (GOOD) reasons, we make the situation worse rather than better, even though humans consider it "saving lives". All part of the inverted vision (seeing things through human eyes rather than spiritual ones) that we are all suffering from in varying degrees.
For example, if a now-elderly person mistreated their relatives and now lives alone in a nursing home, how would that not be a lesson for them?
It could very well be. Father (God) can take the evil that we do and turn it into something good (to accomplish His Purpose).
How is this hypothetical crippled premature baby not possibly being given "specific deficiences to teach them what they want to learn "?
As above please. Would the baby survive without human intervention in the form of pharmacy, surgery, incubators, etc.? If not, then why would we think we are doing God's Will by working against Him?
God gives life, not man, despite now many technological innovations are used. If God is allowing it it is for a reason, which our limited human minds cannot possibly comprehend.
Free-will. We do
MANY evil things on this planet that are presently being allowed to teach us that doing evil has negative consequences. Unfortunately we seem to be very slow learners, if we learn at all. Our free-will decisions to do evil doesn't mean it's okay or that it is God's Will.
Please for a moment, consider that someone could say the same thing about all of the queers, the gender fluidity nonsense, the PC pronoun garbage, etc., i.e. that God is allowing it for a reason beyond our human limitations to comprehend it.
Any careful examination of Scripture should yield how God actually feels about all of these things, as well as why He has
COMMANDED us not to do these evil things, but instead do as He teaches (e.g. male and female created He them...man and woman to become one flesh, etc.). And the same goes for pharmacy (which is condemned as a capital crime, the same as homosexuality).
In other threads you have provided a list of Bible verses which you claim prove reincarnation. I will admit i have not checked ALL of them. Mostly because the ones that i have checked have had nothing to do with reicarnation.
For example, you give Gen2:7
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
That says nothing about reincarnation.
It is literally talking about God placing a soul (spirit-Being) inside of a human to create a human+Being, so that people can understand the difference between the two (and which is more important).
John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: the Words (Truth) that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are Life.
Or Gen5:23-24
23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him
See also Hebrews 11:5. Enoch was "translated". What do you think that term means please?
Or verses about the flood, or what would befall the nation of Israel in later days.
The goal of "life" here on planet Earth is for each of us to learn self-control, i.e. be the spiritual-Being in control of the human-body. It is through the human body that
ALL temptation occurs, e.g. drinking, smoking, taking drugs (illicit, store-bought or "prescribed"), fornication, adultery, murder, etc.
Galatians 5:19-21
5:19
NOW THE WORKS OF THE FLESH ARE MANIFEST, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, pharmacy, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that
they which do such things shall NOT inherit The Kingdom of God.
The flood wiped out all
HUMAN life on Earth with the exception of Noah and his immediate family, because Noah listened to God (spiritually) and
BELIEVED he should be doing God's Will rather than his own selfish will. Everyone else bought into having a "wonderful" human life on Earth, filling it with greed, envy, immorality, hatred, violence, etc., and they (the humans other than Noah and his family)
ALL died.
That way, the world could have a fresh start, with God sending back Souls/spirit-Beings into new bodies descended from Noah's sons, instead of descended from evil families that had no concept of right and wrong, thereby dooming their children to grow up and repeat the cycle of evil.
Anyone who believes that Father (God) permanently wiped out the entire Earth (except for Noah and his family) because He was fed up with them, doesn't know Father. Father is kind, loving, merciful, patient and long-suffering, to give each of us every possible opportunity to come to our senses and learn to listen and trust in Him.
And with regard to Israel, it was Israel's sons who Israel sat down to tell what would befall them
personally in the latter days. How could the sons of Israel, who lived almost 4000 years ago, experience anything during the latter days unless they were reincarnated (God placing them into a human body) many times?
Once again, nothing to do with reincarnation. After going through a dozen or so verses i realized if there was such compelling evidence you would have presented it first, not diluted it with verses which have nothing to do with the topic.
The verses were presented in the order of their appearance, going through Scripture from cover-to-cover. An article was written about this years ago, which contains such compelling evidence it simply cannot be refuted. Please find it at the following link:-
https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/2017/01/06/reincarnation-is-an-irrefutable-fact/
Also, i have never said God is unjust or unfair.
Denying that we are spiritual-Beings who have been reincarnated inside human bodies numerous times (except for Enoch) is claiming God is unjust/unfair, whether it's realized as such or not. That was the whole reason for pointing it out.
We ARE placed into different circustances, and i have to believe in His all-knowing wisdom God places us under the circumstances which are most conductive to us seeking Him out. If i had been born in the best of circumstances, what reason would i have had to humble myself and seek God? And i always give thanks that i was not born into worse circumstances (such as an illiterate starving peasant or slave centuries ago) because from what i know about how i operate that would not have been conductive to me seeking God with true faith.
How do you know that Father didn't put you in exactly that position at some point (centuries ago), to teach you what you needed to learn, to bring you to your present position? We are all in the exact place we have earned a right to be in eternal time
BECAUSE God is just and fair in
ALL things (perfect karma/just desserts -
Gal. 6:7).
God is in control, but we have free will. A seeming paradox, but if God in His all-knowing wisdom knows all the possibilities then He knows where and when to put us, and under what limitations.
Today, humans have video games, designed and built by computer programmers. While the programmer knows every level, every hidden treasure, how every facet of the game works, the user only knows what they learn as they go through the game by making free-will choices and paying attention to the results. And these games keep becoming more and more realistic.
How much better then could Father -- The Creator and Programmer of everything -- do with the game of life on Earth, where we make choices every day between good and evil in the most sophisticated learning environment ever constructed?
I can't speak for everyone else but i for one do not defend them. And i have told allopaths to their face that abortion is murder and i am not interested in hearing about diagnostic genetic testing of my unborn children and things like that, since the only "treatment" is abortion.
Also, i found out recently there is actually an organization of pro-life ob/gyns. Not everything is black or white.
aaplog.org
All that matters is abortion is murder. It is Father Who opens and closes the womb. It's up to us though (free-will) to decide whether we do things
naturally (God saw what He had made and it was
GOOD), or
unnaturally (I saw the imagination of men, and it was
EVIL continually). This is a very clear, black and white issue under The Law that Father gave us.
Yes, they would.
Well, i apologize if i put words in your mouth, but the vast majority of online interactions i have had with people who distrust/dislike/fear/hate etc allopathic medicine involves them pushing the "alternative" approach, regardless whatever occult undertones may be present (and i will give them the benefit of the doubt that they are unaware, not malicious, especially if they are Christians).
All we need to do to heal ourselves from within is to focus on the spiritual first (
Matt. 6:33).
IF people did that, they would be drawing closer to Father (Our Healer) and be getting healthier spiritually, which would then manifest itself in the physical.
Your refusal, until this post, to condemn eastern religions as well also led to me drawing that conclusion.
Understood, although many, many times it has been posted on this forum that
ALL organized religion is to be avoided, even listing Hinduism, Buddhism and Taoism, etc. All means all, without any exceptions, even if something isn't specifically listed.
I absolutely believe that we need to seeks God's guidance in all decisions.
Likewise.
However, i disagree that it will never involve a doctor as a last resort, when natural methods have failed.
How would you read 2 Chronicles 16:12-13 then please?
There is some truth, perhaps, that in some cases free will choices made by the mother may put the child at risk. And it is a great learning oportunity for the mother for the future. However, in that moment the child's (and possibly the mother's as well) life is in danger and emergency allopathic medicine can help. And as i've already mentioned earlier in this post, God is in control.
What people seem to be confused by is that they expect to have Father's Protection while doing Satan's will instead of Father's Will. It simply doesn't work that way, because that is tempting Father, which none of us should be doing.
With a little faith, if people were genuinely striving to do Father's Will at all times, do they really believe Father would place them in a situation like the one you've described above IF they already passed that test (by trusting in Father instead of in men)? The fact that it isn't seen as either a lesson or a test is why we aren't learning and have to repeat the lessons and tests, until we do learn from and pass them or until we run out of time.
What you are advocating for is called "freebirthing" and, to keep it consistent, includes not only not having "witch-doctors" present but also not having any alternative "birth professional" present as well. Even the anti-allopath alternative crowd admits freebirthing is incredibly risky (whether there's any financial motivation in it for them involved in this judgment is the question...).
Not sure about "freebirthing", but natural could involve having someone with experience there to assist, just not with pharmacy or surgery in mind.
"Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" seems fitting for this situation.
"Seems" being the operative word. It is when we refuse to obey God and yet expect His Protection that we are tempting Him.
I'm referring to the premature strawman because you keep mentioning premature babies when i'm talking about full term babies that are either positioned feet first or shoulder first instead of head first, or who have grown too large or have disproportionately large shoulders to head. Or women who are not able to go into labor without artificial hormonal help.
And who decides which women cannot go through labor without artificial hormone help? Can you really not see how God would reward someone in any of those situations for placing their trust in Him instead of in others? God can and does send people to help us, at just the right moment, but Satan also sends people too, and they come not to help, but to do evil and/or to destroy.
In all of these cases it is possible for the child, or mother, to die regardless, so no one is taking God's will out of it.
That may be your opinion, but when we decide to exercise our free-will to choose to do something against God's Commands, then we are taking God's Will out of it so that we can continue to have our own selfish will, mistakenly believing that we know better than God what is best for all concerned.
Yes, poverty is bad (although Jesus did say we will always have the poor, Mt26:11, Mk14:7, Jn12:8), and the law did provide a way to care for the poor, but what do we do about the poor presently? Nursing homes are surely a better alternative than state sponsored euthanasia.
Nursing homes
ARE state-sponsored euthanasia.
If people want to do something about the poor presently, then they need to start keeping The Law that God gave us, and enforce it against the treasonous politicians who make up all of these unlawful rules, legislation, etc. to impoverish and enslave.
Statements like these are why i made the observation that these doctrines line up with elite agendas...
You can read it however you wish, but all it's really saying is that it should be preferable for us to go home, to heaven, rather than to live in a world where everyone is out to get you, steal from you, poison you, and take advantage of you, etc. Father is in heaven, and so are all of our real family and friends, who genuinely love and care for everyone. Wouldn't
YOU rather be there? I certainly would.
Satan has a mimic for everything that Father does, only Satan's (beast) system is based on evil and selfishness, where Father's Perfect system is based on Goodness and Love. A few examples:
Father sees all, to Love and Protect us. Satan sets up a surveillance state, where the state monitors people for nefarious purposes.
Father's Kingdom will eventually fill the Earth, bringing with it freedom, justice, peace, prosperity, safety and security for all. Satan sets up a one-world government to ensure a handful of his most devoted followers can continue to enslave, impoverish and oppress everyone else, who live under the constant threat of war or of the police state raiding their home (which they will soon no longer own, and "be happy" about it).
Father would like for each of us to come to our senses, listen to and obey Him, because He knows and wants what is best for all of us, and would like for us to come home, to be with Him. Satan cons his minions into murderous war profiteering and a lethal injection program designed to murder upward of 90% of the global population, which itself is actually a lie.
Satan's depopulation program is to destroy 100% of the population (see
Matt. 24:21-22 for proof of this) because that way, in his twisted mind, he can "win" his continued war against Father. In other words, if Satan could destroy the entire population, then there wouldn't be 144,000 to be redeemed from the Earth, and the prophecies would then fail (which is impossible), so that he (Lucifer/Satan) could claim to be the truth-teller, and Father would somehow be the liar (
Isa. 5:20-21).
THAT is how sick and insane Satan really is, and should explain why we have just experienced 3 years of the magic virus scam and are on the verge of the final phase of WW3.
