Are medicines permitted by God (according the REAL bible)

[Lizard King]

AJH would approve what Jesus said to the APOSTLES being taken out of context like other cults do:

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Remember the church people who would drink strychnine and play with rattlesnakes ? They were some kind of fundamental church in the south.

 

[Doomsday Cult Mom]

Freeman sometimes says some things that make sense however I think that not only does he believe in God he thinks he is God lol. Getting a kind of Jim Jones vibe.

But Jim Jones passed out the Kool Aid for free. Freeman expects us to pay for it at his website?

 

[A Freeman]

John 14:23-24
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will obey my words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not obeyeth not my sayings: and the Truth which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:17-21
15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it HATED me before [it hated] you.
15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world HATETH you.
15:20 Remember the Truth that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they WILL also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not Him that sent me.

As a servant of Father and His Christ, all of the TRUTH that has been personally posted here has been lovingly done to help prevent others into being poisoned by Satan, both spiritually and physically.

Satan, through his devils/liars/glove-puppets, has tried to con you into believing the exact opposite of what Father and His Christ have told all of us for thousands of years for our own benefit. Satan wants you to poison yourselves.

It's truly amazing that all of the information at Christ's Websites is available in electronic form for FREE, for everyone's benefit, so that they can AVOID drinking the poisonous kool-aid, aka PHARMACY/SORCERY/WITCHCRAFT/POTIONS/POISONS/"MEDICINES", etc.

So what do the devils/liars (Satan's glove-puppets) do? They come here and hatefully say the exact opposite, i.e. tell LIES.

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Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

 

[A Freeman]

Excerpt below from: https://biblehub.com/greek/5331.htm, being shared again for everyone's benefit -

◄ 5331. pharmakeia ►

Strong's Concordance pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: pharmakeia Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah) Definition: the use of medicine, drugs or spells Usage: magic, sorcery, enchantment. HELPS Word-studies 5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson). NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin from pharmakeuó (to administer drugs) Definition the use of medicine, drugs or spells NASB Translation sorceries (1), sorcery (2). Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 5331: φαρμακεία φαρμακεία (WH κια, so T (except in Galatians 5:20; cf. the Proleg., p. 88); see Iota), φαρμακείας, ἡ (φαρμακεύω); a. the use or the administering of drugs (Xenophon, mem. 4, 2, 17). b. poisoning (Plato, Polybius, others): Revelation 9:21 (here WH text Tr marginal reading φαρμακῶν; many interpretations refer the passage to the next entry). c. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it: Galatians 5:20 (where see Lightfoot) (Wis. 12:4 Wis. 18:13; for כְּשָׁפִים, Isaiah 47:9; for לָטִים, Exodus 7:22; Exodus 8:18; for לְהָטִים, Exodus 7:11); tropically, of the deceptions and seductions of idolatry, Revelation 18:23. STRONGS NT 5331: φάρμακον [φάρμακον, φαρμάκου, τό, from Homer down, a drug; an enchantment: Tr marginal reading WH text in Revelation 9:21 (R. V. sorceries), for φαρμακεία, which see (in b.).] Strong's Exhaustive Concordance sorcery, witchcraft. From pharmakeus; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively) -- sorcery, witchcraft. see GREEK pharmakeus Forms and Transliterations φαρμακεία φαρμακείᾳ φαρμακείαις φαρμακειων φαρμακια φαρμακία φαρμακίᾳ pharmakeia pharmakeía pharmakeíāi Links Interlinear Greek • Interlinear Hebrew • Strong's Numbers • Englishman's Greek Concordance • Englishman's Hebrew Concordance • Parallel Texts Englishman's Concordance Galatians 5:20 N-NFS GRK: εἰδωλολατρία φαρμακεία ἔχθραι ἔρις NAS: idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, KJV: Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, INT:idolatry sorcery enmities strife Revelation 18:23 N-DFS GRK: ἐν τῇ φαρμακείᾳ σου ἐπλανήθησαν NAS: were deceived by your sorcery. KJV: by thy sorceries were all INT: by the sorcery of you were misled pharmakeia = pharmacy = witchcraft = sorcery = a form of idolatry (placing doctors, etc. above God, our Healer)

 

[A Freeman]

New Covenant/Testament verses that contain the Greek word pharmakeia/pharmakōn (pharmacy/sorcery, etc.):

Galatians 5:19-21
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, PHARMACY/SORCERY, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit The Kingdom of God.

Revelation 9:20-21
9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils (liars), and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their PHARMACY/SORCERIES, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the Earth; for by thy PHARMACY/SORCERIES were all nations DECEIVED.

Satan has sent his snake-oil salesmen out to sell his snake-oil/pharmacy/sorcery/witchcraft/witches' brew/potions/poisons/poisonous "kool-aid"/"medicines", etc. in the form of pills, drugs, chemotherapy, synthetic vitamins, "vaccines", etc., some "over-the-counter" at pharmacies and grocery stores, and others prescribed by "doctors" (drug-pushers for the pharmaceutical companies).

There has never in human history been an easier way for Satan to con people into directly poisoning their bodies than through pharmacy. Just look how easily Satan is able to turn virtually every mom/mum into a witch, to get her to poison her own children, allegedly to "save", "protect", or "heal" them with these known poisonous concoctions (drugs, vaccines, etc.).

 

[A Freeman]

It should be pointed out that this thread about whether "medicines" are permitted according to God is now 9 pages long and there has not been one single verse provided by the proponents of pharmakeia/pharmacy/medicine/sorcery/witchcraft where God tells us it's supposedly okay to use "medicines" of any kind.

Why?

BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SUCH PERMISSIONS FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE.

The simple, irrefutable facts of this matter are as follows:-

FACT: NONE of the Old Covenant Prophets healed others through the use of pharmacy/medicine/sorcery/witchcraft.

FACT: NONE of the miracle healing Jesus did involved the use of pharmacy/medicine/sorcery/witchcraft.

FACT: NONE of the New Covenant Disciples and Apostles healed others through the use of pharmacy/medicine/sorcery/witchcraft.

FACT: Pharmacy/medicine/sorcery/witchcraft is CONDEMNED by God throughout the Bible, including all those that make it, market it, sell it, administer it and/or take it.

FACT: NO ONE has ever been "saved" or "cured" by any of the pharmaceutical poisons that we call "medicine".

FACT: The ONLY Way to repent of this evil/sin is to STOP doing it. Why would any rationally-minded individual believe that poisons can heal anyone of anything? And how insane is it to pay to be poisoned?

FACT: Anyone still engaging in pharmacy/medicine/sorcery/witchcraft in any manner on the Last Day will, according to God, find themselves in The Fire, regardless of whatever lies they tell themselves and/or others. Please think very carefully about that.

Peace be upon you as you consider these facts.

 

[JoChris]

A Freeman - yes the thread has gone for 9 pages because like always you do not answer direct questions.
All you provided was propaganda as usual.
The Bible says nothing to condemn taking MEDICINES FOR SICKNESS.
The Bible condemns SORCERY.
If anyone should comprehend the English language it should be a Brit like you.

Are you going to answer my question about if you would ever go to a skin clinic, or not?

 

[A Freeman]

Proverbs 9:13 A foolish woman [is] clamorous: [she is] simple, and knoweth nothing.

Proverbs 27:15 A continual dripping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.

 

[Seekeroftruth55]

No it isn't. God knows what you are using those things for, and it sure ain't sorcery!
It is a matter of conscience.
As the apostle Paul said:
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

This is good to know! Thank you. It's hard when we have so many rules and such floating around and what people will be accused of. It's good that God gives us these remedies to use in the proper way

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Proverbs 9:13 A foolish woman [is] clamorous: [she is] simple, and knoweth nothing.

Proverbs 27:15 A continual dripping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.

I assume a “contentious” woman is code for a woman that disagrees with you? I entirely agree with @JoChris ‘s points - if you are going to make bold and unsubstantiated claims about what the Bible teaches, you should also be prepared to allow those claims to be cross-examined.

Not making use of any medical advances seems crazy and you have to ask if you truly live within the restrictions of your claims.

e.g. Toothpaste contains fluoride which (due to pharmaceutical research) has been shown to protect teeth from cavities. Is toothpaste “haram” as well? Should true believers be using chewed sticks washed in the nearest stream to clean their teeth?

Could you ever admit that your interpretation is simply incorrect?

 

[Maldarker]

Freeman sometimes says some things that make sense however I think that not only does he believe in God he thinks he is God lol. Getting a kind of Jim Jones vibe.

Satan did the same thing...See JESUS in the wilderness for examples.

 

[Maldarker]

Proverbs 9:13 A foolish woman [is] clamorous: [she is] simple, and knoweth nothing.

Proverbs 27:15 A continual dripping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.

Now attacking gender....wow...cuz truth starting to make sense to you i would go back for some reprogramming in that case if "the women folk" are flustering you.

 

[Lizard King]

JAH is one of the reasons the term " religious fanatic " was invented. Plus he seems to take an almost sadistic pleasure in denouncing anyone who won't drink his Kool Aid. Why is he coming here anyway other than to Lord it over everybody with his extensive arsenal of Bible quotes and browbeating anyone who disagrees with him. I will concede that he is right about the poisonous vaccines and many other subjects he has written about though.

 

[Doomsday Cult Mom]

Never been called a Satan's Glove Puppet before LOL.

 

[A Freeman]

JAH is one of the reasons the term " religious fanatic " was invented. Plus he seems to take an almost sadistic pleasure in denouncing anyone who won't drink his Kool Aid. Why is he coming here anyway other than to Lord it over everybody with his extensive arsenal of Bible quotes and browbeating anyone who disagrees with him. I will concede that he is right about the poisonous vaccines and many other subjects he has written about though.

First of all, JAH has not personally posted anything on this forum.

Secondly, you seem to be missing the fact that it's the other way around; in other words, it's the others here -- the proponents of pharmacy/sorcery/witchcraft/"medicine" -- who are under a spell (literally taking poisons/"drinking the kool-aid"), and cannot stand it that someone has come to share the Truth on this subject which exposes their LIES. There is absolutely no desire to lord over others; only to answer their evil/lies with good/truth, so that they do not mislead others.

That is the reason for personally posting this information, which I KNOW to be the True. It's specifically to warn other readers of the inherent dangers of the medical-chemical-pharmaceutical industrial complex, which has already killed more people than all of the world wars thus far, and has now lethally injected roughly two-thirds of the global population, and hopes to inject many more, if possible, as part of their "great reset" (great oppression really). And even more specifically in this thread and the one personally started on this subject (link below), the goal has been to share with others that our Creator has been warning us for thousands of years about the dangers of pharmacy/sorcery/witchcraft/drugs/poisons/potions/"medicines".

It's understood that those who are among the spiritually "dead" will never accept the Truth, even though their lives (both physical and spiritual) depend upon it. Their egos have far too much invested in the LIES (e.g. medical careers, pharmaceutical drug addictions, a human life-history of trusting the medical establishment and their lies, fear of the government, fear of their human getting sick, fear of losing income, fear of human death, etc.) to even consider the possibility that they are WRONG, even when they very obviously are.

That's why they cannot provide even a single verse where God grants permission to use pharmacy/sorcery/witchcraft/drugs/poisons/potions/"medicines", and label the passages which prohibit its use, along with the in-depth study of the original text and its meaning, as "propaganda", while promoting their baseless and errant personal opinions as "truth" that is "saving lives".

Anyone who takes the time to actually read this thread, with an open-mind, should see who it is that's being petty, dishonest and downright nasty, and who has actually been providing truthful evidence for everyone's benefit.

If you knew evil people were promoting lies that could get others killed, whether intentionally or out of ignorance, wouldn't you do whatever you could to counter their criminal offensive, to help those who might still be "on the fence"?

 

[thursdayafternoon]

Antidepressants. I haven't been able to quit for 15 years. It ruins brain functions, the withdrawal effect is HELL. I've never used it but I know it worse than many illegal drugs. I've heard doctors say this. The devil designed the legal ones more cautiously.

 

[Maldarker]

Anyone who takes the time to actually read this thread, with an open-mind, should see who it is that's being petty, dishonest and downright nasty, and who has actually been providing truthful evidence for everyone's benefit.

Thats subjective...your truth has been countered but yet you keep going...Like @Lizard King said some of what you say is true problem is not all of it is the big one being you following a false "CHRIST" that pretty much nullifies anything you say.

 

[A Freeman]

Anyone who takes the time to actually read this thread, with an open-mind, should see who it is that's being petty, dishonest and downright nasty, and who has actually been providing truthful evidence for everyone's benefit.

Thats subjective...your truth has been countered but yet you keep going...Like @Lizard King said some of what you say is true problem is not all of it is the big one being you following a false "CHRIST" that pretty much nullifies anything you say.

Except it's NOT subjective, is it?

What EVIDENCE has been offered that God EVER permitted the use of "medicine" (pharmakeia)? When did ANY of God's Prophets, or any of Jesus' disciples or the Apostles EVER use pharmacy/"medicine" of any kind?

Objectively speaking, the burden of proof at this point is on anyone claiming God ever permitted pharmacy or medicine of any kind. Proof, according to The Law, would require providing multiple verses where pharmacy/sorcery/witchcraft/"medicine" is used to heal anyone by those God sent.

So where are the verses where God permitted or encouraged pharmacy/sorcery/witchcraft/"medicine" of any kind? If you are so certain that the Truth that's been personally shared has been countered, then it should be an easy matter for you to produce the actual evidence. So where are the verses where God permitted us to use "medicine"?

Also, it isn't "my truth"; the Truth is the Truth, and always will be, regardless of who delivers it. If you actually understood that, then you would stop attacking the messenger and provide everyone with actual evidence of ANY of your claims, instead of your worthless opinion.

 

[JoChris]

Proverbs 9:13 A foolish woman [is] clamorous: [she is] simple, and knoweth nothing.

Proverbs 27:15 A continual dripping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.

A foolish woman does not mean ALL women are foolish.
The whole chapter is showing the DIFFERENCE between a wise and a foolish woman.

A continual dripping shows there is a leak in the roof that NEEDS fixing.
If the husband really wants his wife to stop being disagreeable, then he should find out what the problem is and address it first.
It isn't always the woman at fault... no matter what your fake teacher tells you!

You really are displaying what AJH has done to your mind.
You just won't stop digging the hole you fell into.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

See, my issue with what a freeman says is not whatever choices he chooses to take with his own body (refusing all forms of medical care, even in life threatening situations) but the fact that he affirms that anyone who makes a different choice will "burn in the fire", and that this is somehow commanded by God. Even if he was saying that allopathic medicine is bodily harmful (whether that's universally true or not) i would not take as much objection to it, it's the fact that he's linking salvation/avoiding the fire with it.

I do think that if he was faced with a life threatening situation and chose to use medical care (IF, i'm not saying he would use it...) he would then say he repents of it afterward. That would be the loophole. As far as i understand, while he considers THE v@x the mark of the beast, having used other medical treatments is not (according to him) the mark of the beast, and therefore repentable... (how many times can someone repent of the same thing is also not being addressed...)

(Which is ridiculous, as it would mean in some cases having to repent of being alive, if followed to its conclusion)

For those who may not understand how Father (God) tests and teaches us, please consider the following facts:

1) everything in this life is either a lesson, test, reward or punishment (or a combination);
2) the sooner the lesson is learned, the sooner one moves on to the next lesson;
3) a test of faith often goes right up until the last moment (e.g. Abraham being asked to sacrifice Isaac, Moses bringing the Israelites to the edge of the Red Sea, with no visible means of escape, etc.); and

I think i may have mentioned this in a previous post, but the weirdest thing about this is that these exact thoughts came to me over a decade ago when i was living a down right awful sinful life (and under the influence, to be honest). At the time i didnt even believe in God, much less live a good Christian life. But i believed these "life lessons", everything in life became about "passing tests" or not, and getting "punished". It was insanity, not peace. It was not from God, but from "the universe", the "unknowable" which we could return to if only we could "escape the cycle of rebirth".

And then i read something similar in a kabbalah book. The tests and lessons, the delayed results of rewards and punishment, the tests going on until the last possible moment, etc. It's occultism. The fact that the Bible shows instances of people being punished for their actions doesn't negate the fact that the elite are kabbalists and satanists, who actively want to depopulate us in the name of "nature".

synthetic vitamins

I see that "synthetic" vitamins are not allowed either...

Here in the US, and apparently 79 other other countries, all wheat or corn flour and products made from flour are enriched with some "synthetic vitamins" by law. The only exception is organic products. I guess too bad if you can't affort it, more "natural selection" and survival of the fittest at work, huh?