Inside The Country Where Down Syndrome Is Disappearing

Haich

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Yh still a very absurd thing to believe

A baby has no choice when it comes to the family it's born in, it's predestined. If that's the case why would a baby supposedly choose to be born to horrific parents who neglect and abuse it? What's the point of reincarnation if you don't break the cycle of crap you escaped the first time ??

Literally no logical argument can be made here

Sorry if i seem bothered by that statement but I cannot at all accept babies intentionally choose to be exposed to messed up parents. It boggles my mind how anyone could possibly believe that

Never come across such a comment in my life
 

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definitely believe in reincarnation. i remember going to church as a kid and hearing, ok you get 100 or less years on this planet, then you go somewhere else for all of eternity. i was a very logical kid and it just did not compute. then i heard of reincarnation and i was like ok THAT makes more sense.
I realized i shouldn't have even mentioned my beliefs yesterday since it borders on religious talk that i myself have asked people not to clog the forums with. so i was already headed back to say sorry for that.
but it's hard to discuss a deep topic like this without it, isn't it? i should say i was thinking in terms of the soul not the sperm. I guess the question of when the soul enters the body is always what we all wonder, with abortion debate too.
@Haich, it is impressive that you are so confident in your beliefs to be able to tell me that I've misunderstood how god works. i think it's great to have strong beliefs/convictions whether i agree or not, in today's apathetic society :)
 

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Yh still a very absurd thing to believe

A baby has no choice when it comes to the family it's born in, it's predestined. If that's the case why would a baby supposedly choose to be born to horrific parents who neglect and abuse it? What's the point of reincarnation if you don't break the cycle of crap you escaped the first time ??

Literally no logical argument can be made here

Sorry if i seem bothered by that statement but I cannot at all accept babies intentionally choose to be exposed to messed up parents. It boggles my mind how anyone could possibly believe that

Never come across such a comment in my life
i didnt mean to wig anybody out i think it is a common thing for hindus/buddhist etc but i really don't know.
but i think all of our beliefs may seem a little absurd to each other, when written out in black and white.
like every religion ive ever heard of has beliefs that sound wacky as fuck, to me :)
 

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I'm not sure if Devin believes in reincarnation

It's such an absurd thing to believe a child chooses where it's born...

I'm not really familiar with Steiner preschool, is if a religious type of school?
Based on teachings of Rudolph Steiner, but they don't usually advertise as religious. Their spirituality is 'anthroposophy' as in 'man' rather than 'theosophy' meaning 'god'. So that's where their focus is. They are staunch in their belief in reincarnation, and disabilities such as downs or aspergers are explained as due to incomplete or faulty reincarnation - often the fault of the parent. (I know this because I heard a bit of this about my aspergers son when i worked there). This makes them very compassionate for people with disabilities - in our area for instance there is an enormous facility for disabled people where they live, work on the farm, make cheese and other products all according to biodynamic (Steiner invented) principles and cared for within the philosophy, until they can come back into a new body next time.
I had never even thought about children choosing their family before I met Steiner people, but I guess that's because I was brought up a different way. I still don't think it's true, but it was the start for me of looking hard at what I do believe and why.
 

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yes that is what i believe. i am not trying to hurt anyones feelings by saying so. i believe that we all chose the lives we have now with whatever particular challenges they present so we could learn grow and evolve :)
That's interesting. i hadn't heard about souls actually choosing challenges. I agree with you that ALL beliefs sound wacky - but the more you think about it the more you can understand why someone would believe that.
 

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it is impressive that you are so confident in your beliefs to be able to tell me that I've misunderstood how god works
Yh God doesn't hold babies accountable and there's absolutely no basis for your beliefs but if that's what you believe...then ok...just expect the normal person to be shocked
 

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Based on teachings of Rudolph Steiner, but they don't usually advertise as religious. Their spirituality is 'anthroposophy' as in 'man' rather than 'theosophy' meaning 'god'. So that's where their focus is. They are staunch in their belief in reincarnation, and disabilities such as downs or aspergers are explained as due to incomplete or faulty reincarnation - often the fault of the parent. (I know this because I heard a bit of this about my aspergers son when i worked there). This makes them very compassionate for people with disabilities - in our area for instance there is an enormous facility for disabled people where they live, work on the farm, make cheese and other products all according to biodynamic (Steiner invented) principles and cared for within the philosophy, until they can come back into a new body next time.
I had never even thought about children choosing their family before I met Steiner people, but I guess that's because I was brought up a different way. I still don't think it's true, but it was the start for me of looking hard at what I do believe and why.
Ah the biodynamic guy!! yeah yeah. gee it being a bad incarnation and fault of the parents, that sounds way harsh! I don't believe in that :) but i guess i would think the parents chose the life where they would have the kiddo with challenges, idk.
i also believe that if you are adopted then you are ending up with the parents you chose, the ones you are meant to have :)
 

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Based on teachings of Rudolph Steiner, but they don't usually advertise as religious. Their spirituality is 'anthroposophy' as in 'man' rather than 'theosophy' meaning 'god'. So that's where their focus is. They are staunch in their belief in reincarnation, and disabilities such as downs or aspergers are explained as due to incomplete or faulty reincarnation - often the fault of the parent. (I know this because I heard a bit of this about my aspergers son when i worked there). This makes them very compassionate for people with disabilities - in our area for instance there is an enormous facility for disabled people where they live, work on the farm, make cheese and other products all according to biodynamic (Steiner invented) principles and cared for within the philosophy, until they can come back into a new body next time.
I had never even thought about children choosing their family before I met Steiner people, but I guess that's because I was brought up a different way. I still don't think it's true, but it was the start for me of looking hard at what I do believe and why.
People will believe anything

It's an alien concept to me, yesterday was the first I read about it. Haven't met anyone who believes that too...

I was always under the impression that reincarnation was another chance at life if you haven't done so well in the first. I thought reincarnation believers were under the impression that God chose what they came back as or who they came back as...not the individual themselves

I learn something new everyday on these forums
 

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Yh God doesn't hold babies accountable and there's absolutely no basis for your beliefs but if that's what you believe...then ok...just expect the normal person to be shocked
whats YH? well like i said i think it's a pretty wide held belief worldwide, but i really don't know. did you guys know i've never talked to a Muslim person before this site?
what about catholics, they believe (i think) that if a baby dies between the time they are born and their christening, that their souls would have to spend all of eternity in a place called purgatory, neither heaven nor hell. crazy isn't it
 

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whats YH? well like i said i think it's a pretty wide held belief worldwide, but i really don't know. did you guys know i've never talked to a Muslim person before this site?
what about catholics, they believe (i think) that if a baby dies between the time they are born and their christening, that their souls would have to spend all of eternity in a place called purgatory, neither heaven nor hell. crazy isn't it
I forgot everyone here is American so you say 'Yah'.

Yh= yeah (Londoners usually type yh of yeh)

Really? Americans I've met so far come across so culturally sheltered. I know Jews, Christians, sikhs etc. Travel around guys it's good for the mind and soul

Yh I heard about purgatory, God's waiting room
 

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People will believe anything

It's an alien concept to me, yesterday was the first I read about it. Haven't met anyone who believes that too...

I was always under the impression that reincarnation was another chance at life if you haven't done so well in the first. I thought reincarnation believers were under the impression that God chose what they came back as or who they came back as...not the individual themselves

I learn something new everyday on these forums
me too everyday!
the way i've been told it works is that we have all have had lifetimes as rocks, trees, and then as all the animals and then human. i've also heard that a dog is the only species where a human soul has been sent back to the animal kingdom.
funny to say "i heard". for all of our beliefs, whether they are from organized religion or a bunch of pieced together junk like mine, it's all just what we heard. what someone told us. another human.
 

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I can't get used to Yah, in my mind I sound like a hillbilly

Yes is too formal, I'm just so used to yh

A breathy yeah
 

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Heck are we getting too religious on a news thread? But now I'm interested - what do you think Devin, do you also believe in God, and if so, why would God choose someone's next incarntion? Curious
 

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me too everyday!
the way i've been told it works is that we have all have had lifetimes as rocks, trees, and then as all the animals and then human. i've also heard that a dog is the only species where a human soul has been sent back to the animal kingdom.
funny to say "i heard". for all of our beliefs, whether they are from organized religion or a bunch of pieced together junk like mine, it's all just what we heard. what someone told us. another human.
I can assure you I've always been human and prior to birth I was an Egg and Sperm floating around in my parents bodies (Yuck)

I just don't see logically where the accountability comes in for a baby, to willingly choose their parents.

How does a rock have a life? Does it judge stones for being to soft and bully pebbles for being whimps? I mean where's the line between human and inanimate object?

Without touching on religion too much, I really don't believe a word of this reincarnation theory but it's amusing to listen to how I once may have been a leaf floating in the Bahamas.

I knew I was too tan as a baby
 

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hmm well i do believe in god after not for a long time. i guess i would think that the soul would get to choose b/c i believe free will. i guess would be more like soul chooses to go back to dog as a speedier way to burn off their bad karma/evolve
 

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Freewill can only start when someone is of the age to understand what the word means, usually puberty
 

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Freewill can only start when someone is of the age to understand what the word means, usually puberty
i mean free will of the soul. again im glad you so sure how it all works maybe you sleep better than me at night :)
 
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