@A Freeman said
^. .^
I may be wrong, but I did wonder...
...if the "atmosphere" is the only thing between us and space, then a
solid enclosure like a
car really doesn't seem like an accurate analogy, here.
I think a
convertible with no windshield would be a better comparison. ☆
And--
@A Freeman said
The firmament is described as a
solid surface throughout the bible-- like
cast metal or
molten glass.
Job 37:18.
The key word in the description above is
"like" or, as it is in the KJV
"as" molten glass (which obviously is not the same as "cast metal").
Job 37:18 Hast thou with Him spread out the sky, [which is] strong, [and]
AS a molten looking glass?
The word "as" does
NOT mean the same as the word "is". Someone can say of another human+Being, they are
like or
as a rock, indicating that they are of rock-solid character, etc. It certainly does
NOT mean that their flesh and blood body is actually made of rock.
Further, exactly how solid is
MOLTEN looking glass? When glass is molten it is soft and can easily be shaped, but still viscous and difficult to move a solid object through, which is a much more accurate description of the current understanding and model of our atmosphere.
Even with human technology, it's possible to use
air curtains to prevent any outside air from entering a clean room.
What's amazing is that's exactly how an atmosphere would work with a tangential velocity of roughly 1000mph relative to the space immediately outside of it. This is where tangential velocity would be
correctly applied. Of course on the surface of Earth, one would only feel the rotational speed of the Earth, which is imperceptible, at less than >0.0007 rpm.
So again we have people who don't know what they are talking about, and too careless to properly read
exactly what the Bible actually says, trying to apply concepts and rock-solid physical principles that they clearly do
NOT understand, which explains why they have things exactly backwards.
Also, in the same book of Job, we find the following description of the Earth, that God tells us He hangeth on
NOTHING.
26:7 He stretcheth out the North over the empty place,
[and] HANGETH the earth upon NOTHING.
So yes, you're very obviously wrong. Thinking of the Earth as a convertible with no windshield is an absolutely ridiculous analogy, which any calm day (or even in the midst of a 100 mph storm -- or the fact we can experience
BOTH of those circumstances in the exact same spot at different times) puts to rest immediately (literally and figuratively). Hopefully you can now see
why that analogy is so desperate and ridiculous.
Also
Genesis 1:6 -- and there are eight more references, between
raqa and
raqia.
Can you, like him, spread out the
skies, hard as a cast metal mirror?
vault of heaven, or 'firmament'
... regarded by Hebrews as solid, and supporting 'waters' above it--
Job 37:18 was just quoted from the KJV.
IT DOES NOT SAY ANYWHERE IN IT ANYTHING ABOUT CAST METAL IF PROPERLY TRANSLATED IN CONTEXT. Please find that verse again below (KJV) and note well that "cast metal" is not found in that particular verse
NOR ANYWHERE ELSE IN ALL OF SCRIPTURE.
Job 37:18 Hast thou with Him spread out the sky, [which is] strong, [and]
AS a molten looking glass?
God Himself defines the word "firmament" as
HEAVEN, where God lives (
Matt. 6:9), and so do the Angels, so why are humans (including yours) attempting to redefine it as something else? More on Genesis 1:6 in a subsequent post.
More importantly-- why does it matter?
Either the drawing conforms to the (authentic) biblical description... or it doesn't.
As above please. The drawing clearly does
NOT conform to the authentic Biblical description. Not even close.
The Ancient Hebrew conception of earth IS the bible,
Why? Because you want it to be and say so? Clearly the Bible says absolutely
NOTHING about "cast metal" nor does it indicate in
ANY way that the their is a solid metal or solid glass barrier between the world and what lies outside of it. So the "ancient Hebrew conception" is neither "ancient", nor "Hebrew", nor is it Biblical in any way. In other words, that drawing is of man-made (satanic) origin.
Recognizing that
FACT, i.e. being able to properly discern truth from lies,
DOES matter.
in this case--> the earliest rendering I've seen
was created in 1909, by ("professor") Ralph V. Chamberlin; he based the drawing on the biblical text, itself.
Chamberlin was
not an advocate. He was a mormon who believed the Hebrews were "primitives" who didn't know any better.
Thank-you for your admission that this drawing is not ancient at all, nor Hebrew in origin. And as we should be able to see for ourselves, the drawing is
NOT based on the Biblical text, but rather on one man's
IMAGINATION of what that text
actually says (
Gen. 6:5).
Freeman... no offense, but you read a different and heavily edited version of the bible.
The
King of kings' Bible is based on the AKJV 1611, and is exactly verbatim for the verses you've cited which you (mistakenly) believe allegedly support the idea that the Earth is flat (or under a solid dome, like a dinner served on a silver platter, with a domed lid on it) and built like humans build their buildings, with pillars, etc. So please don't try to use such strawman arguments, which are a logical fallacy as you should know.
I imagine it would not include the original biblical description, due to the changes John Hall has made to support his
Alien eschatology (end times scenario)--> the solid firmament wouldn't be compatible with the extraterrestrial return he has proposed. The bible doesn't support John Anthony (
JAH-Truth) Hall's relatively recent return to earth, either, as the (non-divine) avatar of Christ.
For reference, it's John Anthony
HILL (JAH - see
Psalm 68:4,
Malachi 4:5).
And you would be wrong, yet again, whilst attempting to use yet another logical fallacy (ad hominem/shoot the messenger). The KJV does
NOT include any reference to "cast metal", which is
NOT what the original Hebrew text actually says, if logically read and translated in context.
The Hebrew word מוּצָֽק׃ (
mū-ṣāq) is an adjective which means
MOLTEN. Molten metal can be cast into cast metal (noun), but "cast metal" is clearly
NOT an adjective for a "looking glass" or even a "mirror".
So you're already at odds, here.
The evidence that's been shared is truthful and supported by all of the available evidence. Stop making it an
illogical personal attack and learn to look at the evidence
logically, free of preconceived notions.
Again... "flat" is a misnomer, perpetuated no doubt by the satirical Flat Earth Society™.
And by those promoting anything other than a spherically-shaped Earth, which appears as a circle from every direction, exactly as we see in our night sky of all of the heavenly bodies (a night sky which differs from one hemisphere to the other). The spherical shape is the most logical shape, because it is the strongest. All of these attributes are shared by our Creator, are they not?
The bible describes a sphere of sorts... it's just arranged differently.
As above please. The Bible irrefutably describes a spherical Earth, but again...what does the shape of this prison planet actually matter? The goal of everyone here should be to learn how to be good (sane)
LIKE God, instead of continuing to be evil/sinful (illogical), like Satan, the latter of whom trains everyone to see things upside down and backwards.
You've spent a lot of time and energy, so far, defending the possibility of a globular earth...
- on its axis (> MACH 1) as it
- orbits the sun (67,000 MPH), which
- orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy (approx. 500,000 mph), which is
- hurtling through space at a staggering 1.3 million mph...
- in theory. [/SPOILER]
It's not a "possibility" though, is it? What has been shared is truth, reason and common-sense, all of which is from our Creator. He doesn't need defending, nor is the shape of the Earth actually in question (nor does it really matter what shape our prison is).
... which is meaningless in this context if you refuse to address the proposed biblical model.
As above please. You've offered nothing but conjecture, based on the
mistaken impression of a single Bible verse, which IS meaningless.
Or, put in context, you have provided absolutely no solid evidence of any of your assumptions, either about the Bible or about how the world in which we currently live.
John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly (spirit) things?
To say there is no evidence of a such a thing is absolute nonsense; it has been a point of contention, both within the church and without, for over 400 years.
Just saying.
Yes, you keep repeating absolute nonsense, without any evidence whatsoever. So who are you trying to convince of these lies? Yourself perhaps?
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