Did Jesus Exist? All Scholars Agree He “Certainly” Existed

[TempestOfTempo]

Are there any REAL Muslims today? If you are a Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Wahhabi, Salafi, Takfiri, or member of any other sect, Allah says you are NOT a Muslim, but are Kafir – Infidels/Unfaithful

Sura 6:159. As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou must have nothing whatsoever to do with it, even in the least: their affair is with “I AM”: in the end He will tell them the truth of all that they did.

Sura 11:17. Can they be (like) those who accept a Clear (Sign) from their Lord, and whom a witness from Himself doth teach, as did the Book of Moses (the Torah) before it,- a guide and a mercy? They believe therein but those of the Sects that reject it,- the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. Be not then in doubt thereon: for it is the Truth from thy Lord: yet many among men do not believe!

All so-called Muslims today are actually polytheistic pagans themselves, committing shirk by making the made-up stories (LIES) about Muhammad (which also do Muhammad a great disservice whilst paying him lip-service) a partner with part of God's Word (the Koran/Quran).

And, at the very same time, overtly and blasphemously rejecting the other two parts of God's Word (the Old Covenant and the New Covenant), including God's Law (THE CRITERION -- Sura 2:53) and the Gospel of Jesus, which the Koran was sent to CONFIRM.

Sura 32:23. We did indeed aforetime give the Book (Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

One cannot continue to disbelieve and disobey God and claim to be doing His Will (Islam in Arabic). Period.

Peace be upon you.

"Are there any REAL Muslims today? If you are a Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Wahhabi, Salafi, Takfiri, or member of any other sect, Allah says you are NOT a Muslim, but are Kafir – Infidels/Unfaithful"
True. Even those who follow the heretical sects you have mentioned will concede that among Muhammed's last reported commands/advise was to just stay as Muslims. Thats good enough, dont separate into sects or create divisions. Yet that was the first thing they did, and look at the price paid for such folly to this very day.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Jesus was clearly a real man who was born of immaculate conception, walked the earth performing miracles, was taken to heaven (go ahead and argue amongst yourself of "how" if thats what you are into) and will return to lead the victorious charge against the anti-Christ. Its tough to understand the theological/scientific footing the deniers of Christ actually existing are standing on.

Edit: Sorry for stating basically the same thing I already stated here, but the thread showed up as one page and I thought my previous post had been lost.

 

[Daze]

As for the Islamic perspective of Jesus’s crucifixion, death and resurrection, an historic revision of the account some 700 years subsequent hardly has academic credibility. On Muhammad’s own omission, there was no attempt to suggest that documents or other information had come to his possession that would indicate Jesus was exchanged on the cross for one made to resemble Him.

We are to go on the words of the spirit being / Muhammad himself to base the veracity of the claim. On a purely human level, you are to imagine me making a revisionist claim about John Wycliffe from the 14th Century.

To use another analogy, I like Tolkien but if another author were to claim Tolkiens manuscripts of LoTR had been corrupted and produce a fresh version of the story, where Saruman saves the day but Sam dies, then Gollum and Frodo go back to the Shire together, I would have issues with it. While the Bible shares many of the stories and characters of the Qur’an, they are re-presentations of the originals, re-cast to support Muhammad’s narrative. I don’t need to be rude to Muslims about this, but “it is what it is”.

Academic credibility? Do you mean like the 2000 Bibles we have today Red? Tell us Red, why there are 40,000 sects in your religion?

If your faith is correct, why is it more varied then the designs on your pagan Easter eggs? You know, the day you celebrate a pagan resurrection that long existed before Jesus, actually celebrating the goddess Estore?

Why do you speak on Islamic perspective as if you have a clue?

Do you know why Jesus is coming back Red? Common sense dictates because he didn't die.

Absolutely amazed how your beliefs are full to the brim of paganism and you speak of others not being academically credible? An absolute joke when your core belief involves the death of God.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Academic credibility? Do you mean like the 2000 Bibles we have today Red? Tell us Red, why there are 40,000 sects in your religion?

If your faith is correct, why is it more varied then the designs on your pagan Easter eggs? You know, the day you celebrate a pagan resurrection that long existed before Jesus, actually celebrating the goddess Estore?

Why do you speak on Islamic perspective as if you have a clue?

Do you know why Jesus is coming back Red? Common sense dictates because he didn't die.

Absolutely amazed how your beliefs are full to the brim of paganism and you speak of others not being academically credible? An absolute joke when your core belief involves the death of God.

On your analysis, attempted counterfeit invalidates the continuance of the real thing. I think most thinking people would disagree with you here.

To the question of the thread, one issue I would have if I were a disinterested researcher on the topic - why, if Jesus didn’t die and then present Himself alive to the disciples did they give their lives (and I’m most cases go to their deaths) for something that never happened?

 

[A Freeman]

People that consistently exhibit a complete lack of common-sense are not in a position to lecture others on what dictates common-sense and what doesn't.

It should be self-evident that not only did Jesus exist, but that He was murdered/crucified for having done nothing wrong and that God DID raise Jesus, exactly as God told us He did in the Old Covenant, New Covenant and Koran/Quran.

We literally changed the way we keep time on this planet because Jesus stands alone as THE EXAMPLE everyone should be striving to follow with all of their heart, mind, soul and strength.

We have the prophecies from God in the Old Covenant foretelling the life death, and resurrection of Jesus.

We have the eye-witness accounts in the Gospel of Jesus, and in the rest of the New Covenant/Testament, along with validation from a number of the most respected secular historians from the period immediately following the life of Jesus, again confirming the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.

And we have the Koran/Quran CONFIRMING the life, death and resurrection MULTIPLE TIMES, including a direct quote from Jesus Himself.

Further, the Koran/Quran CONFIRMS that Jesus is THE EXAMPLE that everyone should be following.

How obvious does it need to be for the most hard-headed and stiff-necked among us to "see" The Light?

2 Esdras 5:8-10
5:8 There shall be a confusion also in many places, and the fire shall often be sent out again, and the wild beasts shall change their places, and child-bearing women sh all bring forth monsters (metaphorically):
5:9 And salt waters shall be found in the sweet, and all friends shall destroy one another; then shall common-sense hide itself, and understanding withdraw itself into his secret chamber,
5:10 And shall be sought of many, and yet not be found: then shall unrighteousness and incontinency be multiplied upon Earth.

 

[Daze]

On your analysis, attempted counterfeit invalidates the continuance of the real thing. I think most thinking people would disagree with you here.

Many here do disagree with me Red and that is fine because at the end of the day the path to god is opened by God himself. As I've said before Islam doesn't need me. I need Islam. If i were to die today Islam would still be successful.

Take this verse and contemplate on it.

He is the One Who has sent His Messenger with ˹true˺ guidance and the religion of truth, making it prevail over all others, even to the dismay of the polytheists. (61:9 Quran)

What is the fastest growing religion today Red? and with women converts at that? Islam is oppressive to women?


Lets talk facts Red. You are probably old and are well indoctrinated into your beliefs. But what about the next generation? Why are 60 million Christians predicted to leave Christianity by 2050? 60 million people is absolutely massive Red.


Sadly they are not becoming Muslim but agnostics like Artful here.

Why is this Red? Could it be because of the things i routinely highlight in your book? I mean your religion is so diluted we can fill a stadium with 40,000 Christians and everyone can have different beliefs! Can you not ponder on that?

Lets take Christmas as an example. Many today, including Christians admit to its pagan roots. I've seen Christians tell others Not to celebrate it. But people like you will still set up Christmas trees even when the Bible calls it futile!


Why is this? Why do you insist on celebrating the birth of the sun? Indoctrination?

Lets face facts Red, your religion is dying.


Yet you make posts saying the Islamic perspective is not academically credible? I mean its an absolute joke. All the proof you have in your faith is literally hive mind mentality. YOUR BOOK does not support your beliefs Red.

Do you think this is why more are checking out then checking in? That people actually READ the Bible and not let themselves be indoctrinated by 1 eyed priests like you?

One of these days i will need to make a thread highlighting all of the paganism in Christianity and i will do it because you can't stop yourself from constantly taking a crap on my religion. This thread is yet another perfect example. You think we'd be on the same side of the fence here as we both are 100% certain the prophet Jesus existed. But no.. the devil only has one enemy Red and that is pure monotheism.

To the question of the thread, one issue I would have if I were a disinterested researcher on the topic - why, if Jesus didn’t die and then present Himself alive to the disciples did they give their lives (and I’m most cases go to their deaths) for something that never happened?

I know Jesus didn't die because the Quran makes it clear. For the exact same reason i know Jesus is not divine. Because the Quran makes it clear.

The problem with Jesus dying (for you obviously) is you believe the prophet to be God incarnate. Who maintained the universe for 3 days while your god was dead? Do you not think? We don't even need to ask such a question because it is absolutely ridiculous to believe that God can die, and be killed by his own creation no less!

You have a weak god in the literal form of the sense Red, and this is because you have taken a man and made him divine when man was created to be ever weak. The Quran highlights that Jesus ate. Why do you think this is Red? To come to the logical conclusion that he also defecated. He was created out of weakness. Jesus tells you himself in your own book God gave him life but this is where the fingers go into the ears.


Lets end on another fact. You don't have the first clue what Islam's perspective is on anything. The only thing you know and that we can all see, is that you hate what God has sent down. I mean it shows. Why can't you make a post that doesn't attack Islam? When is the last time you mentioned Hinduism? Buddhism? Taoism? Never? Ya, we all know and we all can see it.

There is only one thorn in your side Red. Even in a thread like this, where we'd agree on the topic, you have to spit into the wind.

Never will the Jews or Christians be pleased with you, until you follow their faith. Say, “Allah’s guidance is the only ˹true˺ guidance.” (2:120 Quran)

 

[A Freeman]

If we read Sura 61 in its entirety, it leaves no doubt that God's Messenger is none other than Christ.

Sura 61

Surah 61. The Ranks, Battle Array

61:1. Whatever is in the heavens and on Earth, let it declare the Praises and Glory of "I AM": for He is the Almighty, the Wise.
61:2. O ye who believe! Why SAY ye that which ye DO not (Matt. 5:37; James 5:12)?
61:3. Grievously ODIOUS it is in the sight of "I AM" that ye SAY but that ye DO NOT DO [what He has told you to do in His Scriptures and privately in your mind].
61:4. Truly "I AM" loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.
61:5. And remember, Moses said to his people: "O my people! Why do ye vex and insult me, though ye know that I am the Apostle of "I AM" (sent) to you?" Then when they went wrong, "I AM" let their hearts go wrong. For "I AM" guides not those who are rebellious transgressors.
61:6. And REMEMBER, JESUS, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Apostle of "I AM" (sent) to you, CONFIRMING The Law (which came) before me (the Torah), and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be the Comforter (John 16:7-15)." But when he came to them with CLEAR SIGNS, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
61:7. Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against "I AM", even as he is being invited to do His Will? And "I AM" guides not those who do wrong (Satan does).
61:8. Their intention is to extinguish "I AM"'s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: but "I AM" will complete (the Revelation of) His Light (Malachi 4:2), even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
61:9. It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth (John 7:16-17), that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
61:10. O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?-
61:11. That ye believe in "I AM" and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of "I AM", with your property and your persons: that will be best for you, if ye but knew!
61:12. He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement.
61:13. And another (favour will He bestow), which ye do love,- help from "I AM" and a speedy victory. So give the Good News to the Believers.
61:14. O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of "I AM". As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the WORK of) "I AM"." Said the disciples, "We are "I AM"'s helpers!" Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed (- the House of Israel), and a portion disbelieved (- the House of Jewdah/Judah): but We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed (Revelation 11:5).


Note well:

John 3:19-21
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the Light, neither cometh to the Light, lest his deeds should be revealed.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the Light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


And for any doubters, please turn to the very passage that so-called Muslims use to try to extinguish the Light of the World:-

Sura 4:157-159
4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed CHRIST the son of Mary, THE MESSENGER OF GOD";- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used - Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
Sura 4:158. Nay, GOD RAISED HIM UP UNTO HIMSELF and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
Sura 4:159. And, of the People of The Book, they all must believe him (Christ) before their death; and on The Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Surah 43:61);-

 

[Terminator Resistance]

On your analysis, attempted counterfeit invalidates the continuance of the real thing. I think most thinking people would disagree with you here.

To the question of the thread, one issue I would have if I were a disinterested researcher on the topic - why, if Jesus didn’t die and then present Himself alive to the disciples did they give their lives (and I’m most cases go to their deaths) for something that never happened?

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One thing I have been wondering: if Jesus' apostles wrote down that they lived near and with Jesus, they must have a first name and a last name to prove that they really existed. Why did they only have a first name as recorded in the Bible? Unless I am missing something and that can be proven easily? I am not saying they did not exist, just wondering why only single names are used in the Bible, unless using more than one name is a recent thing...

 

[Maldarker]

Many here do disagree with me Red and that is fine because at the end of the day the path to god is opened by God himself. As I've said before Islam doesn't need me. I need Islam. If i were to die today Islam would still be successful.

Take this verse and contemplate on it.

He is the One Who has sent His Messenger with ˹true˺ guidance and the religion of truth, making it prevail over all others, even to the dismay of the polytheists. (61:9 Quran)

What is the fastest growing religion today Red? and with women converts at that? Islam is oppressive to women?


Lets talk facts Red. You are probably old and are well indoctrinated into your beliefs. But what about the next generation? Why are 60 million Christians predicted to leave Christianity by 2050? 60 million people is absolutely massive Red.

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Sadly they are not becoming Muslim but agnostics like Artful here.

Why is this Red? Could it be because of the things i routinely highlight in your book? I mean your religion is so diluted we can fill a stadium with 40,000 Christians and everyone can have different beliefs! Can you not ponder on that?

Lets take Christmas as an example. Many today, including Christians admit to its pagan roots. I've seen Christians tell others Not to celebrate it. But people like you will still set up Christmas trees even when the Bible calls it futile!

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Why is this? Why do you insist on celebrating the birth of the sun? Indoctrination?

Lets face facts Red, your religion is dying.
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Yet you make posts saying the Islamic perspective is not academically credible? I mean its an absolute joke. All the proof you have in your faith is literally hive mind mentality. YOUR BOOK does not support your beliefs Red.

Do you think this is why more are checking out then checking in? That people actually READ the Bible and not let themselves be indoctrinated by 1 eyed priests like you?

One of these days i will need to make a thread highlighting all of the paganism in Christianity and i will do it because you can't stop yourself from constantly taking a crap on my religion. This thread is yet another perfect example. You think we'd be on the same side of the fence here as we both are 100% certain the prophet Jesus existed. But no.. the devil only has one enemy Red and that is pure monotheism.




I know Jesus didn't die because the Quran makes it clear. For the exact same reason i know Jesus is not divine. Because the Quran makes it clear.

The problem with Jesus dying (for you obviously) is you believe the prophet to be God incarnate. Who maintained the universe for 3 days while your god was dead? Do you not think? We don't even need to ask such a question because it is absolutely ridiculous to believe that God can die, and be killed by his own creation no less!

You have a weak god in the literal form of the sense Red, and this is because you have taken a man and made him divine when man was created to be ever weak. The Quran highlights that Jesus ate. Why do you think this is Red? To come to the logical conclusion that he also defecated. He was created out of weakness. Jesus tells you himself in your own book God gave him life but this is where the fingers go into the ears.


Lets end on another fact. You don't have the first clue what Islam's perspective is on anything. The only thing you know and that we can all see, is that you hate what God has sent down. I mean it shows. Why can't you make a post that doesn't attack Islam? When is the last time you mentioned Hinduism? Buddhism? Taoism? Never? Ya, we all know and we all can see it.

There is only one thorn in your side Red. Even in a thread like this, where we'd agree on the topic, you have to spit into the wind.

Never will the Jews or Christians be pleased with you, until you follow their faith. Say, “Allah’s guidance is the only ˹true˺ guidance.” (2:120 Quran)

Those faiths don't matter in the respect of this do you not see that? Are hindi buddhism taoism Abrahamic? Nope so maybe thats why think on that.

 

[Maldarker]

One thing I have been wondering: if Jesus' apostles wrote down that they lived near and with Jesus, they must have a first name and a last name to prove that they really existed. Why did they only have a first name as recorded in the Bible? Unless I am missing something and that can be proven easily? I am not saying they did not exist, just wondering why only single names are used in the Bible, unless using more than one name is a recent thing...

How about Peter? This was his name:

Jesus addresses Peter by the name others know him by—Simon Bar-Jonah. Simon meaning, “reed-like” or “wavering,” Bar-Jonah meaning son of Jonas, which can be translated as “wine-bibber.” Roughly translated, Simon Bar-Jonah means “unstable son of an alcoholic.” Now, Jesus gives him a new name.

 

[A Freeman]

It really shouldn't matter whether the disciples had last names or not...but they did.

Matthew 4:18 And Jesus, walking by the Sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

So Simon Peter and Andrew were the sons of Barjona, i.e. their last name was Barjona.

Matthew 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James [the son] of Zebedee, and John his brother;

So James and John were the sons of Zebedee, i.e. their last name was Zebedee.

The Judas who betrayed Jesus was Judas Iscariot.

It isn't as if they didn't have last names, and they are recorded in the Bible (at least some of them).

 

[Maldarker]

Academic credibility? Do you mean like the 2000 Bibles we have today Red? Tell us Red, why there are 40,000 sects in your religion?

If your faith is correct, why is it more varied then the designs on your pagan Easter eggs? You know, the day you celebrate a pagan resurrection that long existed before Jesus, actually celebrating the goddess Estore?

Why do you speak on Islamic perspective as if you have a clue?

Do you know why Jesus is coming back Red? Common sense dictates because he didn't die.

Absolutely amazed how your beliefs are full to the brim of paganism and you speak of others not being academically credible? An absolute joke when your core belief involves the death of God.

I think i had a moment of deja vu did you just copy paste what you said before? Because it looks exactly like what you posted agaisnt Reds faith before....Your a frickn broken record my dude.Sad that the persons you hate are the ones that are showing me that islam might be very much in step with the bible and not polar opposites. If it was just you i would never have had an intrest because you come off as a pretentious (for lack of a better word) douche.

 

[TrollingTroubles]

Are there any REAL Muslims today? If you are a Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Wahhabi, Salafi, Takfiri, or member of any other sect, Allah says you are NOT a Muslim, but are Kafir – Infidels/Unfaithful

Sura 6:159. As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou must have nothing whatsoever to do with it, even in the least: their affair is with “I AM”: in the end He will tell them the truth of all that they did.

Sura 11:17. Can they be (like) those who accept a Clear (Sign) from their Lord, and whom a witness from Himself doth teach, as did the Book of Moses (the Torah) before it,- a guide and a mercy? They believe therein but those of the Sects that reject it,- the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. Be not then in doubt thereon: for it is the Truth from thy Lord: yet many among men do not believe!

All so-called Muslims today are actually polytheistic pagans themselves, committing shirk by making the made-up stories (LIES) about Muhammad (which also do Muhammad a great disservice whilst paying him lip-service) a partner with part of God's Word (the Koran/Quran).

And, at the very same time, overtly and blasphemously rejecting the other two parts of God's Word (the Old Covenant and the New Covenant), including God's Law (THE CRITERION -- Sura 2:53) and the Gospel of Jesus, which the Koran was sent to CONFIRM.

Sura 32:23. We did indeed aforetime give the Book (Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

One cannot continue to disbelieve and disobey God and claim to be doing His Will (Islam in Arabic). Period.

Peace be upon you.

Can’t stop laughing at your feeble attempt to discredit the Quran.

 

[TrollingTroubles]

If your faith is correct, why is it more varied then the designs on your pagan Easter eggs?

that was hilarious

 

[A Freeman]

Can’t stop laughing at your feeble attempt to discredit the Quran.

Is it that you are incompetent or are you simply ignorant of what's actually been posted? There has been no attempt personally made whatsoever to discredit the Quran, which is the third part of God's Message to every human+Being on Earth, sent to CONFIRM the first and second parts: the Old Covenant and New Covenant, respectively.

All that has been done is to point out what the Quran actually says, and how the corporate fictional organized religion that deceitfully calls itself "Islam" has misled all of its victims/parishioners/adherents, who are, on their present course, all headed for The Fire, exactly as the Quran warns us of at least 300 times.

That is no laughing matter, regardless of what Satan/Iblis may be whispering in your ear.

 

[Daze]

Can’t stop laughing at your feeble attempt to discredit the Quran.

I put him back on ignore but the hypocrisy is kinda amazing. Constantly quotes the Quran but attacks it the same time with the most ridiculous of arguments.

I noticed he actually has several posts in the Quran thread. But not a single like? I can only assume pretty much everyone else who posts in that thread has him on ignore as well. Or maybe its like Tempo, due to what already been said hes already earned the hate of everyone who might like the post.

The Almighty has raised this religion and the mention of the prophet (saw). What do they ever hope to accomplish? These forums are infinitely better once a few are removed from them. Who has the time to argue with a wall for pages on end?

If they reject Islam then so be it. Those who have been given knowledge know they only wrong themselves. God guides whomever he wills and living for 30 years without Islam, there is no doubt for me that it is a gift and a blessing. One many won't receive, such as my own parents who have already passed on.

 

[Just following orders]

I put him back on ignore but the hypocrisy is kinda amazing. Constantly quotes the Quran but attacks it the same time with the most ridiculous of arguments.

I noticed he actually has several posts in the Quran thread. But not a single like? I can only assume pretty much everyone else who posts in that thread has him on ignore as well. Or maybe its like Tempo, due to what already been said hes already earned the hate of everyone who might like the post.

The Almighty has raised this religion and the mention of the prophet (saw). What do they ever hope to accomplish? These forums are infinitely better once a few are removed from them. Who has the time to argue with a wall for pages on end?

If they reject Islam then so be it. Those who have been given knowledge know they only wrong themselves. God guides whomever he wills and living for 30 years without Islam, there is no doubt for me that it is a gift and a blessing. One many won't receive, such as my own parents who have already passed on.

He doesn’t attack the Quran. He’s not going to attack a book that he loves. He’s trying to help those that are misinterpreting what it says.

 

[Lil axe]

All that has been done is to point out what the Quran actually says, and how the corporate fictional organized religion that deceitfully calls itself "Islam" has misled all of its victims/parishioners/adherents, who are, on their present course, all headed for The Fire, exactly as the Quran warns us of at least 300 times.

honest question - if someone reads the bible kjv, they're religion is called christianity, if someone reads the quran, what would they're religion be called?

(just trying to understand)

 

[Daze]

He doesn’t attack the Quran. He’s not going to attack a book that he loves. He’s trying to help those that are misinterpreting what it says.

As i said i have ignored him. But I've seen plenty of posts where he attacks Islam and always with retarded reasons. It would not surprise me if he did try to put the Quran down.

Misinterpret? Don't you mean twisting the verses? If memory serves he believes Jesus was crucified, yes?

It does not get more clear then this.

And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. (4:157 Quran)

Who knows better? God or Freeman?

Here's more relevance.

He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise—they are the foundation of the Book—while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations—but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺—it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason. (3:7 Quran)

As i said above, they only wrong themselves.

Indeed, those who inject deviation into Our verses are not concealed from Us. (41:40 Quran)

Everything is recorded, everything will be brought to account.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

honest question - if someone reads the bible kjv, they're religion is called christianity, if someone reads the quran, what would they're religion be called?

(just trying to understand)

Your question puts me in mind of a topical question - “what is a woman?”