My Trump Questions

[justjess]

yep. and your religious droppings in every thread is what you think.


here you go, why not pay for this womans problems? your god says to close your eyes to her sin of gluttony.

How much of "your money" do u honestly think goes to helping people like her? To healthcare at all?

Are people even remotely as passionate about the way larger amounts of their money going to absurdely expensive fighter jets? Trumps weekends golfing? Foreign aid to countries commiting human rights abuses? Corporate bailouts to company with $45 billion stashrd off shore that just laid off 5000 amerocan workers and gave the CEO who masterminded it all a $20 million bonus with our taxes?

Im sorry but from what ive seen no one does and if they mention it at all its in passing with nothing more than a shrug, but mention birth control for the poor single mom down the street and heads explode. If everyone else gets to vote how their money gets spent then i want to as well. Im paying for single mommy. I refuse to pay for the rest.

And im sorry to break it to u but statistically you will.

 

[polymoog]

I actually take silver. It does work great, but that isn't really going to fix the whole problem. I have also worked in a hospital for many years and the majority of my patients were elderly. Insurance pays for treatment for dementia patients because we are not eugenicists who think the elderly should die because they are too old to know the day of the week. I have had quadriplegic and paraplegic and amputees, and diabetics etc., etc. Healthcare insurance pays for a lot of reasons poverty would otherwise be created due to disabeling conditions.

Cancer has also always existed. Either way, people in the hospital do genuinely care about helping people who are sick and they are best place to give our money to help those who are sick. Healthcare is a specialized charity.

i dont have a problem, like i said, with physical injuries, as spontaneous accidents happen. and i concur-- hospital workers do care about their job and other human beings. i appreciate that they are genuinely good human beings. that line is crossed when they have to care for some schlub who cares less about their health than their caregiver.

 

[polymoog]

If God Wills, i shall, why not? He Is The One Who Presents opportunities to us whereby we can either choose to take or to reject on pretexts.

Who's to say she's guilty of sin? Who's to say she's not just an angel specifically Created for the purpose of giving us a golden opportunity?

hell, why not just not have hospitals at all and let god point her magic finger at us and cure us?

 

[God_Is_Formless]

hell, why not just not have hospitals at all and let god point her magic finger at us and cure us?

Simply because God Is Maintaining us alive and that it is our duty just as it's our duty to credit Him for the good He Makes us do. Consider:

Qur'an Chapter 36 Verse 47

And when it is said to them, 'Expend of that God has provided you,' the unbelievers say to the believers, 'What, shall we feed such a one whom, if God willed, He would feed? You are only in manifest error!'

The unbelievers believe that they are the ones who feed if they indeed choose to feed others. Believers say ''God Used me to feed others''.

 

[polymoog]

How much of "your money" do u honestly think goes to helping people like her? To healthcare at all?

no idea. ideally, zero.

Are people even remotely as passionate about the way larger amounts of their money going to absurdely expensive fighter jets? Trumps weekends golfing? Foreign aid to countries commiting human rights abuses? Corporate bailouts to company with $45 billion stashrd off shore that just laid off 5000 amerocan workers and gave the CEO who masterminded it all a $20 million bonus with our taxes?

dont like those, either. plenty of people moan and groan about these, too.

Im sorry but from what ive seen no one does and if they mention it at all its in passing with nothing more than a shrug, but mention birth control for the poor single mom down the street and heads explode. If everyone else gets to vote how their money gets spent then i want to as well. Im paying for single mommy. I refuse to pay for the rest.

youre free to donate your money to wherever you like. i do.
birth control is a different subject.


And im sorry to break it to u but statistically you will.

85% of statistics are wrong.

 

[polymoog]

Simply because God Is Maintaining us alive and that it is our duty just as it's our duty to credit Him for the good He Makes us do. Consider:

Qur'an Chapter 36 Verse 47

And when it is said to them, 'Expend of that God has provided you,' the unbelievers say to the believers, 'What, shall we feed such a one whom, if God willed, He would feed? You are only in manifest error!'

The unbelievers believe that they are the ones who feed if they indeed choose to feed others. Believers say ''God Used me to feed others''.

 

[justjess]

Death is a given no matter what you think of statistics. Very few die peacefully in bed of old age.

It feels like we are living in a return of the dark ages... people are so damn individualistic until the other shoe drops right on them.

And no im not - my money goes to these things despite what i think about it.

 

[rainerann]

@rainerann i agree 100% the insurance industry and other middle men have no place in healthcare. It shouldnt be a for profit industry at all - and im not including medical staff salaries clearly thry need to be paid

But charity isnt the answer either, for ressons i hope became evident to u above. There are more people like that then otherwise.

Prior to 1974 health insurance operated similar to how you are decribing in somr ways - with money going directly to drs and hospitals to treat specific groups of people who signed up for something more like a subscription plan..

Or honestly like the maintenance plans we sell for home heating equipment as odd as that sounds. When it isnt so late i will explain better and give links.

@polymoog it is sad that you blame sick people for being sick and have no empathy for them whatsoevser. Many didnt do anything to "deserve" to be sick at all, just faulty genetic code or random chance. One day it could be you, no matter how much you think you are preventing it.

I am very eager to see these links. I welcome the opportunity to learn more about this subject as it is a subject I feel very passionate about.

 

[justjess]

@rainerann it is illegal to deny care in a er, but the hospital you work in most be a great one. My husband had no insurance bad tooth infection got a bill for 900$ for an aide to look in his mouth and write a prescription for antibiotics which took all of three minutes. No charity care was offered. Not even basic price control - 900$ is obscene to glance in someones mouth especially when we already knew the problem and what he needed to fix it. But only place that will take you with no insurance is the hospital so we are stuck paying a weeks salary for 3 minutes of nothing. I can only imagine how bad it would have been had they given him a tylenol or something while we were there.

 

[rainerann]

i dont have a problem, like i said, with physical injuries, as spontaneous accidents happen. and i concur-- hospital workers do care about their job and other human beings. i appreciate that they are genuinely good human beings. that line is crossed when they have to care for some schlub who cares less about their health than their caregiver.

Well, I think most healthcare workers feel some degree of frustration because they are powerless to make social changes at times that would help some of these people you are talking about. However, these people are still people and we are not eugenicists who let people die because they drank too much or ate too much. We also need money to help us educate the community about making lifestyle changes, which many people working in hospitals would be willing to do, but we can barely cover costs with insurance programs as it is much less take on endeavors like this.

 

[justjess]

I am very eager to see these links. I welcome the opportunity to learn more about this subject as it is a subject I feel very passionate about.

http://www.post-gazette.com/healthypgh/2014/04/27/VITALS-How-did-U-S-employer-based-health-care-history-become-what-it-is-today/stories/201404150167

Can start there focus on the original blue cross plans I'll find more tomorrow

 

[rainerann]

@rainerann it is illegal to deny care in a er, but the hospital you work in most be a great one. My husband had no insurance bad tooth infection got a bill for 900$ for an aide to look in his mouth and write a prescription for antibiotics which took all of three minutes. No charity care was offered. Not even basic price control - 900$ is obscene to glance in someones mouth especially when we already knew the problem and what he needed to fix it. But only place that will take you with no insurance is the hospital so we are stuck paying a weeks salary for 3 minutes of nothing. I can only imagine how bad it would have been had they given him a tylenol or something while we were there.

That's really terrible. Overall, I guess someone would have to take the time to do a more thorough investigation of the subject of charity in hospitals. I go to the other hospital where I live because it is closer to my house and people that I work with won't be there. It is a weird thing when you are a patient in the same hospital you work. The hospital is actually the community hospital that is funded by the state that also had a charity and the registration guy who went over my information with me when I was in the ER years ago had a form with him for me to fill out in case I needed to apply for this charity fund without me having to ask. So I know it isn't just mine that I work at. However, I would imagine that some places function differently.

Although, this doesn't mean that this, or something similar that would remove the insurance companies from the equation, would be impossible to accomplish.

 

[God_Is_Formless]

hell, why not just not have hospitals at all and let god point her magic finger at us and cure us?

And we could but there are different levels of faith. Some rather trust in God Alone. Some make use of means while also trusting in Him.

To each his/her own. God Is The Healer but He Is Also All-Powerful over the means that surround us. Some people overuse them imo.

 

[Aero]

Insurance companies have us all in a stranglehold. And there really isn't a better way to describe it. Like oh you pay for fire insurance? Well good luck getting them to actually pay when your shit burns down. Maybe you will get 75 cents on the dollar if you jump through a million different flaming hoops. But they don't have to jump through any hoops to take your money.

Most companies in America are like that though. You want a refund for that shit product you ended up buying?? LOL ya right. They will get right on that one, I'm so sure. And it's like this because of how our money is constantly going around in circles. You pay for a loaf of bread and like 100 different entities are making money off that one loaf. Put your money in a bank, and 100 different entities just leveraged your money so they can make more. If that bank crumbles, better hope your cash is federally insured. Than pray the government actually pays.

 

[Lurker]

hospital workers do care about their job and other human beings.

Please tell me more about junky nurses and doctors that steal pain pills. I'm sure they care sooo much.

 

[marcecar10]

And ya'll better watch what you say about Ivanka. She's going to be the first female president.

No please no f---ing no! She and Kushner Will the most white-bland boring US presidential couple in history (Even counting Bush and her dad)
P.D. Has nothing to do with the fact they're jewish.

 

[Lurker]

@rainerann it is illegal to deny care in a er, but the hospital you work in most be a great one. My husband had no insurance bad tooth infection got a bill for 900$ for an aide to look in his mouth and write a prescription for antibiotics which took all of three minutes. No charity care was offered. Not even basic price control - 900$ is obscene to glance in someones mouth especially when we already knew the problem and what he needed to fix it. But only place that will take you with no insurance is the hospital so we are stuck paying a weeks salary for 3 minutes of nothing. I can only imagine how bad it would have been had they given him a tylenol or something while we were there.

The medical mafia especially hates it when you know what it is.

 

[marcecar10]

The medical mafia especially hates it when you know what it is.

And what is that?

 

[Lurker]

And what is that?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

 

[marcecar10]

What is the medical mafia in the U.S that you're talking about? I'm interested.