With the world’s eyes on Afghanistan, how does the Taliban represent Islam?

[Oceanic]

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most of Africa has no restriction, you could go tomorrow but you’re not going to because you’re bullshitting, like your made up fantasy religion

so it doesn’t say anywhere in the bible something about your blacks vs whites fantasy and you made it all up, got it, makes sense

Why are you assuming I'd go to Africa? There are many states in America that's more populated with Black people, I just said I'd leave America because I was having a moment of hating the system that was made to put Black people down. Also, I just told you I don't have enough to even leave an entire country, and yes America is requiring vaccination especially since they're making it mandatory now.

As for you saying what I said about blacks vs whites isn't true, you see the scriptures right there. It's there. But knowing you, you'd hop over it. I'm not about to debate you. Bye!

 

[lightseeker]

Why are you assuming I'd go to Africa? There are many states in America that's more populated with Black people, I just said I'd leave America because I was having a moment of hating the system that was made to put Black people down. Also, I just told you I don't have enough to even leave an entire country, and yes America is requiring vaccination especially since they're making it mandatory now.

As for you saying what I said about blacks vs whites isn't true, you see the scriptures right there. It's there. But knowing you, you'd hop over it. I'm not about to debate you. Bye!

You never debate anyone, always tap out after one comment. None of your scriptures said anything about the black or white races. Just Jacob and Esau, and you add on your fantasies about what that means. Literally none of them said anything about what you are saying. None. You posted a bunch of bible scriptures and then say that if people add on the same fantasies that you do, it supports what you are saying. But those fantasies arent in the Bible, you made them up

 

[Oceanic]

Just thinking about the blacks who owned black slaves or the blacks who traded other blacks into slavery.

Did you know calling an entire race racist, is racist? Funny or is it sad, how you try to group everyone together based solely on skin color? I mean your no better then the people you attempt to demonize.

Seriously, you have issues.



I'll keep my black friends while i recommend that you seek help.

Peace.

I was generalizing when I said your people are the most racist beings to exist because it's true. I'm not going to lie and say it's not. Obviously there are your average white people that are very nice and cool to be around, but when you look at it as a whole...

...yeah, most of them are racist. Before Martin Luther King and Malcolm made their movements, damn near every white person in the globe was willing to put Black people down so that's just your pride speaking when you say otherwise.

Yep, I have issues. Issues with this world because it's been corrupted, colonized, polluted, and hurt by what your people have done to it. Not only do I feel for my people, but I feel for earth alone. What was once fresh water is now polluted. What was once fresh air is now polluted. What was once fresh foods and natural herbs is polluted. I could seriously make a slideshow with over 100 slides if I were to explain everything in detail.

So yes I'm going to use my voice to call them out because my ancestors were killed trying to use theirs

 

[Oceanic]

When polled in pre-taliban times, 99% of their country supported

You never debate anyone, always tap out after one comment. None of your scriptures said anything about the black or white races. Just Jacob and Esau, and you add on your fantasies about what that means. Literally none of them said anything about what you are saying. None. You posted a bunch of bible scriptures and then say that if people add on the same fantasies that you do, it supports what you are saying. But those fantasies arent in the Bible, you made them up

You know Jacob is a representative of Black people and Esau is a representative of white people right? Bloodlines.

Now I'm going to get back to the original discussion of the thread. Does anyone have any new news about the Taliban? I still can't believe Biden said there will be no war only to find out the Americans left their weapons behind. Still speculating about another 9/11 event.

 

[lightseeker]

You know Jacob is a representative of Black people and Esau is a representative of white people right? Bloodlines.

No, I don't know that, nor does anyone else, because there is absolutely zero indication in the Bible for that and its just a fantasy that you made up

 

[Maldarker]

@Oceanic are you a descendant of Israel? Because i am my family was enslaved in the russian gulags. Just asking seems to be a view point your making about the select and that you can only be that if black...is this correct? Because if that's the case your talking about with slavery then your wrong it doesn't matter color of skin. People are by nature evil to their fellow man. Ever since the words am i my brothers keeper? where uttered.

 

[Oceanic]

No, I don't know that, nor does anyone else, because there is absolutely zero indication in the Bible for that and its just a fantasy that you made up

Okay, thanks for your input

 

[Maldarker]

@Oceanic Oh that's right you ignored me guess you didn't see my question

 

[Lyfe]

Are white people considered gentiles then?

 

[lightseeker]

Okay, thanks for your input

Youre welcome, hope you take it into consideration.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

No, I don't know that, nor does anyone else, because there is absolutely zero indication in the Bible for that and its just a fantasy that you made up

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[Lyfe]

Thats the main reason why i never post in religion section anymore. Theres a new false doctrine every day. Cant keep up with em anymore.

 

[Cintra]

You know Jacob is a representative of Black people and Esau is a representative of white people right? Bloodlines.

@LittleLady used to talk about that.
It was interesting stuff.

 

[lightseeker]

@LittleLady used to talk about that.
It was interesting stuff.

Oceanic is littlelady, her third account.

 

[Lyfe]

@LittleLady used to talk about that.
It was interesting stuff.

The hebrew israelites are like whack a moles. Whack one and another pops up in its place

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@LittleLady used to talk about that.
It was interesting stuff.

It was something I had never come across till I came here. Black Hebrew Israelite theology. The white races become Esau, the Black ethnic groups become various tribes.

Personally, I reject race an an idea altogether…

Acts 17

24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

 

[Maldarker]

Are white people considered gentiles then?

No but i guess @Oceanic thinks so. BTW i am a born again hebrew so....where do i fall in lol.

 

[Lyfe]

In the NT there are Israelites and gentiles. A gentile was a non Israelite. Allot of the NT speaks of salvation and a new covenant open to gentiles.

Oceanics ideas are pretty easy to refute.

 

[Cintra]

Oceanic is littlelady, her third account.

That would explain the similarity.

It was something I had never come across till I came here. Black Hebrew Israelite theology. The white races become Esau, the Black ethnic groups become various tribes.

Personally, I reject race an an idea altogether…

Acts 17

24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

It is an interesting idea, though.
Esau's appearance is dwelt on as though it was something unusual.
Maybe a mark of his eventual moral failure.

With skin colour and such, I don't think there are races outside of the divisions we ourselves impose.
Biologically we seem more like a cline.
But I am not a biologist, so that's just an opinion.

Keeping it on topic...
The US and UK spent 20 years trying to win 'the hearts and minds' of the Aghan people.
As they failed to do that I can only assume the Afghan people didn't want what they were selling.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Keeping it on topic...
The US and UK spent 20 years trying to win 'the hearts and minds' of the Aghan people.
As they failed to do that I can only assume the Afghan people didn't want what they were selling.

You make a very good point. The Vietnamese chose communism over capitalism in the end. Not that I like communism at all, but the Americans brought “freedom” mixed with napalm, agent Orange and moral depravity with them. In a way, defending America’s behaviour is a bit of a straw men in this discussion. It’s pretty clear that the poppy fields were not a target of American foreign policy!

My son once used to ask questions like “what would you rather, a staple in your finger or standing on a plug?” (And other variations!)

“Neither” would just annoy him and move him on to a fresh question!

My point in asking the questions I did at the beginning of this thread was to enquire whether any of the Muslims on this forum would stand with or against the Taliban (who claim authentic Islamic practice), and if they would speak up for or out against their actions.

It might be worth making a clear point (by way of caveat) - western media may indeed exaggerate the actions of the Taliban, pro-Islamic media may seek to reinterpret events in more favourable light etc etc.

That having been said, I suspect that as time goes by, certain facts may emerge which are clearly happening. It is these events (and the stance people take towards them) that will show much about the beliefs under discussion here.