David Rockefeller dies at 101...or not

[Ella]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39333416
We shouldn't rejoice on someone's death but when he spent his century of lifetime to only make money no matter what the costs, money used to create war, death and pain, all for some loony purpose of controling the whole planet,it comes to no surprise all the backlash he gets. The family tried to denied it at first trough some outlets but apparently is official now. So is this a crack in the wall or his offsprings will carry on like nothing happened with their NWO agenda? In a 101 years what are the events you think he witnessed or create himself to shape the world we know today?

 

[starviego]

"In a 101 years what are the events you think he witnessed or create himself to shape the world we know today?"

Well, he was probably a player in the JFK assassination. And he was definitely one of the shot callers in the Watergate coup d'etat that removed Nixon from office.

"So is this a crack in the wall or his offsprings will carry on like nothing happened with their NWO agenda?"

David probably has not been actively engaged for many years. But the NWO is not dependent on any one person, so it endures.

 

[AspiringSoul]

@Lisa
This is some of that 'whore of babylon' stuff i talk about.
The whore sitting on the Beast.

 

[Haich]

@Lisa
This is some of that 'whore of babylon' stuff i talk about.
The whore sitting on the Beast.

Did he really say that ?? Quite surprised he was so candid

 

[Lisa]

@Lisa
This is some of that 'whore of babylon' stuff i talk about.
The whore sitting on the Beast.

I have seen that quote before. You and I just disagree on who the whore actually is, not that there isn't one.

 

[AspiringSoul]

I have seen that quote before. You and I just disagree on who the whore actually is, not that there isn't one.

What do you make of Zecheriah 5? who is it talking about?

 

[Lisa]

What do you make of Zecheriah 5? who is it talking about?

Is that where you get your idea of who the whore is...or do you just think the whore is the Jews because you don't like them because of your religion?

Personally, I've read revelations and got my understanding of the whore from there. Matched up the description and I think its the Vatican. The Jews have their own end times story and its not being the whore who rides the beast. But, we have talked about this before.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Is that where you get your idea of who the whore is...or do you just think the whore is the Jews because you don't like them because of your religion?

Personally, I've read revelations and got my understanding of the whore from there. Matched up the description and I think its the Vatican. The Jews have their own end times story and its not being the whore who rides the beast. But, we have talked about this before.

Well not just Zechariah 5
I did give a detailed answer in the other thread.
I strongly believe in the significance of the wood/stone theme in relation to the idolatry of the Jews as mentioned here and also in Jeremiah 2/3 and it's connection to the Chaldean usury based system ie the destruction of ancient Babylon was foretold in Habakkuk 2...so naturally this prophecy has connections to revelation 18.
Habakkuk 2 condemns the Chaldean for enslaving nations through usury and hence says "the stones and timber will mock you"
This immediately connects to revelation 18 verses on the economic system/wealth of mystery Babylon but also to Zechariah 5 which again connects to Babylon but here it connects the Jews to Babylon.

The fact that trees and stones are mentioned in the Hadith prophecy is also significant to me. Ie it points to true significance of this theme in the bible. It's basically an Easter egg in the Hadith that's allowed me to see what a lot of bible readers don't see (even though it is clearly there)

 

[Vixy]

What if he didnt die but just recided to his bunker?

 

[AspiringSoul]

@Lisa in shocked you also think I don't like Jews because of my religion. Islam is more pro-Jewish than the bible is. This situation with present day Israel was the work of Britain who had a divide and conquer policy.
Politics and economics aside..in my other post...the one you just foolishly paid no attention to I explained who the holy land is promised to according to the Quran.

Jews were persecuted by Christians but not by Muslims.

 

[Camidria]

Jews were persecuted by Christians but not by Muslims.

Weren't the Jews persecuted by the Roman Catholics?

 

[AspiringSoul]

Weren't the Jews persecuted by the Roman Catholics?

roman catholics are christians in the same way shias are muslims.

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/so-what-did-the-muslims-do-for-the-jews-1.33597
Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth. The argument for it is double. First, in 570 CE, when the Prophet Mohammad was born, the Jews and Judaism were on the way to oblivion. And second, the coming of Islam saved them, providing a new context in which they not only survived, but flourished, laying foundations for subsequent Jewish cultural prosperity - also in Christendom - through the medieval period into the modern world.

interesting read given it is written on a jewish website.

 

[Camidria]

roman catholics are christians in the same way shias are muslims.

Ok but please just remember that the protestants broke free from the Roman Catholic church,

The Renaissance yielded scholars the ability to read the scriptures in their original languages, and this in part stimulated the Protestant Reformation. Martin Luther, a Doctor in Bible at the University of Wittenberg,[1] began to teach that salvation is a gift of God's grace, attainable only through faith in Jesus, who in humility paid for sin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_16th_century

This is very significant because remember, they have many rules and regulations that aren't scriptural at all, and most importantly they believe the Pope is God on earth - http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Pope_Rome_blasphemy_power_Jesus

This is NOT inline with what many Christian churches believe today that came out of the protestants of old, many of these churches are also reformed and use only the Bible and not any worldly documents as the Roman Catholics do.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Ok but please just remember that the protestants broke free from the Roman Catholic church,

The Renaissance yielded scholars the ability to read the scriptures in their original languages, and this in part stimulated the Protestant Reformation. Martin Luther, a Doctor in Bible at the University of Wittenberg,[1] began to teach that salvation is a gift of God's grace, attainable only through faith in Jesus, who in humility paid for sin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_16th_century

This is very significant because remember, they have many rules and regulations that aren't scriptural at all, and most importantly they believe the Pope is God on earth - http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Pope_Rome_blasphemy_power_Jesus

This is NOT inline with what many Christian churches believe today that came out of the protestants of old, many of these churches are also reformed and use only the Bible and not any worldly documents as the Roman Catholics do.

The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself...

in the same way the branch represents the tree.
The tree is not the Garderner ie God, so this is a roundabout problem with all christian theology imho because if you worship the tree then how can you not worship the branches and the leaves?

Btw are you aware of the reasons why the Elizabeth the 1st basically became an ally on the ottomons and moors ie muslims? it wasn't out of the goodness of their heart but out of pure necessity because France, Spain and the Vatican was at war against England. There were very few jews in England. There were a lot of jews living under ottomon and moor rule so in a roundabout way you can see where this new stance towards muslims also includes jews. However prejudices still existed for a long time.
I feel this context gave the christians an opportunity to wake up and realise, so you're partly right..but christians were persecuting jews long before the catholic church.
also. persecution and punishment should not be confused. Jews practiced usury, it was one of the reason they were punished inc by the catholic church.

 

[rainerann]

History tells us that Jews persecuted Christian's as well many, many times. However, scripture does not identify mystery Babylon as the one who persecuted the other Abrahamic faiths the most. Therefore, it is not a competition based on this feature. It shouldn't happen because if anyone should understand persecution, it is another religious person and we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us because of this (Luke 6:31). However, this has not always been the case.

I agree with your interpretation AspiringSoul because the prophecy identifies an economic position, not a militant one necessarily. We know that Israel is very well funded and supported through economic exchanges with the nations. Even the boycott of Israel only further identifies the role they play in the global economy. They are not merely a nation trying to achieve a theocracy. They play a major role in the global economy.

It has nothing to do with changing anything scripture has to say about Israel in other places. The Bible tells us that Israel's favor with God never made them immune to judgement by God. That is all it is saying. It is not my judgement towards Israel. It is His. The only thing I need to do is realize that I am not in the position to tell God how to judge the world, repent and turn from sin; so that I am not included in this judgement. Identifying Babylon does not mean we declare war because of it. This means we accept that this is judgement of God and humble ourselves in the meantime. We put some sackcloth on and throw some ashes on our head and pray that this will be over quickly.

 

[Lisa]

Well not just Zechariah 5
I did give a detailed answer in the other thread.
I strongly believe in the significance of the wood/stone theme in relation to the idolatry of the Jews as mentioned here and also in Jeremiah 2/3 and it's connection to the Chaldean usury based system ie the destruction of ancient Babylon was foretold in Habakkuk 2...so naturally this prophecy has connections to revelation 18.
Habakkuk 2 condemns the Chaldean for enslaving nations through usury and hence says "the stones and timber will mock you"
This immediately connects to revelation 18 verses on the economic system/wealth of mystery Babylon but also to Zechariah 5 which again connects to Babylon but here it connects the Jews to Babylon.

The fact that trees and stones are mentioned in the Hadith prophecy is also significant to me. Ie it points to true significance of this theme in the bible. It's basically an Easter egg in the Hadith that's allowed me to see what a lot of bible readers don't see (even though it is clearly there)

You probably shouldn't use a different book to try to figure out the Bible with...

 

[Lisa]

@Lisa in shocked you also think I don't like Jews because of my religion. Islam is more pro-Jewish than the bible is. This situation with present day Israel was the work of Britain who had a divide and conquer policy.
Politics and economics aside..in my other post...the one you just foolishly paid no attention to I explained who the holy land is promised to according to the Quran.

Jews were persecuted by Christians but not by Muslims.

Well, aren't muslims going to kill Jews and people of the book if they don't convert? That and every muslim country hates Israel and the Jews there with Iran stating they would like to wipe them off the face of the earth.

I don't think islam is pro-Jewish at all.

My thinking is that God's chosen people are again at the center of a jealousy that has them God's chosen and the muslims not.... Issac is the child of promise and Ishmael is the one sent away. And, yes I remember you say your pakistani. But its still they are God's chosen people. Though if you accept God's Son, Jesus as your savior, you will be grafted into that promise

Right...muslims never persecuted or killed any Jews ever?

 

[mecca]

Well, aren't muslims going to kill Jews and people of the book if they don't convert?

no

 

[mecca]

I don't think islam is pro-Jewish at all

It is. Islam is more similar to Judaism than Christianity is to Judaism.

 

[grateful servant]

It is. Islam is more similar to Judaism than Christianity is to Judaism.

Lisa means pro- Jewish in the way that Christian zionists are pro-Jewish. lol. But mecca is right about the similarities and differences between the 3 religions.