Red Sky at Morning
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Well, perhaps I can help you on that question @Daze …Pretty sure Aspire mentioned something similar. For what its worth i don't read most long posts (which is the majority of your work) but a few now have said you have an agenda Red….
If you read @VigilantCitizen ‘s “Read This First” article and pay attention to the recommended reading list provided, you will not necessarily find yourself actually getting any closer to actual truth, but instead simply becoming embroiled in a fresh narrative packaged for the “enlightened”.
It’s not that I don’t believe in some things that the MSM label as “conspiracy theory”, but I can’t help but find some of the ideas espoused as conspiracy theories are pernicious lies, other ideas are just ill-informed speculation whilst still others represent a carefully curated set of facts to fit a particular agenda.
It seems odd to me that the image of a sheepdog, a farmer and a gate is a popular one in conspiracy land. The thing that hit me after a while was how much of the “truth movement” is actually untrue.
Cue a strange dream:-
I had a very odd (and very vivid) dream a number of years ago when I first came across conspiracy theories. I didn’t understand clearly then, but I think I do now...
I was initially asleep in my dream, thrashing around and very troubled. I remembered I had ate some cherries the night before and I was feeling like they had poisoned me. As my consciousness returned (in the dream) I became aware that I was being fed a poisonous tasting drip from a string held above my head by my torturer.
[at this point, I got a strong feeling that this was like waking up to a conspiracy]
What followed was strange. In the dream, this cruel tyrant changed his attitude to me and even congratulated me on waking up! He then took me on a tour of the town to show me the world I had been asleep to.
[plot twist]
In my dream I suddenly saw that the town itself was a movie set, and that the buildings were facade only. This whole tour was a bluff! Those who woke up were provided with a personal guided tour by an untrustworthy guide.
In the wake of this dream, I have become more suspicious of conclusions gleaned from occult sources etc as the secrets they claim to reveal to initiates are in themselves deeper deceptions. I remembered that in 1984, [spoiler ahead] Winston and Julia got hold of a forbidden book on which a purported revolution was founded. Sadly the book was written by the party man himself.
I was initially asleep in my dream, thrashing around and very troubled. I remembered I had ate some cherries the night before and I was feeling like they had poisoned me. As my consciousness returned (in the dream) I became aware that I was being fed a poisonous tasting drip from a string held above my head by my torturer.
[at this point, I got a strong feeling that this was like waking up to a conspiracy]
What followed was strange. In the dream, this cruel tyrant changed his attitude to me and even congratulated me on waking up! He then took me on a tour of the town to show me the world I had been asleep to.
[plot twist]
In my dream I suddenly saw that the town itself was a movie set, and that the buildings were facade only. This whole tour was a bluff! Those who woke up were provided with a personal guided tour by an untrustworthy guide.
In the wake of this dream, I have become more suspicious of conclusions gleaned from occult sources etc as the secrets they claim to reveal to initiates are in themselves deeper deceptions. I remembered that in 1984, [spoiler ahead] Winston and Julia got hold of a forbidden book on which a purported revolution was founded. Sadly the book was written by the party man himself.
This means I have an agenda (but I don’t believe I’m the only one)
I don’t believe that some of the information that falls into the hands of the conspiracy minded is actually true, yet because it comes from trusted sources, it is treated as such.
During the time I have been here, I find myself coming into opposition against a number of agendas.
The first on I hit up against was the Zeitgeist idea, which cast Jesus as a mere retelling of old tales. This was easily answered but drew a lot of opposition…
An extension of this “religion is bunk” idea led to interactions around the idea of creation or evolution. Is there a God, can we know him? I started a thread on the subject but found very few people who wanted to defend evolution!
“The Scopes ‘Monkey Trial’ Revisited” - An invitation to examine both sides of the origins debate
[Edit] This heated presentation by Dr James Tour reflects the closed shop of Evolutionary science. His response is as incisive as it is scathing! I found something I wrote years ago... “Earlier this century the famous Scopes "Monkey" Trial proved to be a turning point in science education...
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Dialogue with Muslims led me to realise that they had taken on board 19th Century “Higher Criticism” of the Bible, and regarded the Bible we presently have as being a patchwork of original snippets, scribal “improvements” and other corruptions. It was about this time that I came across new information that strongly suggested that the Codex Sinaiticus was a modern 19th Century replica, presented as the “worlds oldest Bible”.
The "Critical Text" Criticized
So many times the question of the authenticity of the Bible seems to come up in these forums. From people feeling that an original, more gnostic Christianity has been whitewashed and moved away from, to others who feel that certain important texts have been removed by the powers that be. What...
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The most vocal agenda of all which I have encountered was that of the anti-Israel hegemony of the “truth movement”. I stumbled into it by pointing out that Romans 11 and many other passages indicate that God has not finished with the Jews. I think it will take nothing short of unfolding world events for people to change their minds on this question..
Nations taking their places for Ezekiel 38 / Psalm 83 / Isaiah 17
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2038-39&version=NKJV https://www.oxfordbiblechurch.co.uk/index.php/books/the-imminent-invasion-of-israel/537-appendix-1-the-identification-of-the-nations-of-ezekiel-38
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