BTS discussion thread

[ldpshop19]

I tried posting my 1000+ words post yesterday, however it still hasn’t been checked by a moderator so I will post the screenshots instead... quite disappointing since I worked hard on my first post (worked on it from 9pm till 11pm). Hope you guys enjoy it! Thank you.

WOW~ after reading this, I'm feeling so sad for them. This is super interesting. At first I was mad, for being duped into the BT$ world. But after hearing Britney Spears testimony, I'm thinking a lot of these artists are probably trapped, which makes me so sad. I rewatched Fake Love again, after reading what you wrote and it was eye-opening. You see the word SAVE ME at the end. You might be right. That video was almost like a cry for help but their fans are just seeing it as "art." It's a weird this blurred line of mind control that BT$ is going through like they look happy and normal on camera just doing what they got to do, but when reality hits them and no one is watching I think they might be extremely hurt and broken.

 

[Kathyana]

Hey guys I saw the recent vlive of bt$ bcuz I wanted to check out sug@'s behavior(bcuz of the cloning theory). There was definitely something off with JK and the whole group was just oozing with cockiness especially rm, jh0pe and $uga. Apparently, their new song has taken billboard no 1 place for 5 weeks.
Personally, I don't get the huge hype about their new song their older ones were way better.
But its clear that they ain't going anywhere soon

 

[Strawberrypie]

Hey guys I saw the recent vlive of bt$ bcuz I wanted to check out sug@'s behavior(bcuz of the cloning theory). There was definitely something off with JK and the whole group was just oozing with cockiness especially rm, jh0pe and $uga. Apparently, their new song has taken billboard no 1 place for 5 weeks.
Personally, I don't get the huge hype about their new song their older ones were way better.
But its clear that they ain't going anywhere soon

They're expanding and bringing more Hybe to America, Japan and Korea.

 

[queen82]

Bap is shown controlled with wire here, being shot with bullet and dying; showing overuse of pills and drowing in bathtub water, similar to Bts I need you mv. But I don't see them rising in fame nor being sacrificed. How you differentiate signs and concept? What is the main difference in them with symbols for rising fame?

Bap have some problem with their company TS ent , that's why they didn't became huge

 

[platinum]

Their problem was financial. The agency didn't pay them well and violated civil rights. So the boys sued the company

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How can it explain the questions I asked about symbols being similar? That has no relation with their success and real life? They were just hard working idols and weren't paid for 40 months, couldn't see their parents and TS invaded their privacy and stole their personal phone. They have some typical "signs" but that seem to be just aesthetic and concept, nothing more looking at their success then, where is the difference with top group like bts? What kind of behind the scene "work" they do go on top?

Idk for an older gen group they have a really good amount of views...maybe they were overshadowed by other successful groups in their time but I'm not sure.

 

[platinum]

They aren't older gen. 3rd gen - 2010s-current. BAP debuted in 2012, just one year before bts. They are 3rd gen group just like bts.

Guess they just flopped then..

 

[platinum]

Ahhh I see, showing "typical sign" or "save me sign" still flop, but they themselves took break from work and sued the company for justice.

Maybe they could also be involved in cult but still not be famous. Honestly there are so many possibilities but we just don't know enough to make solid statement,, hopefully we can all agree on that.

 

[Strawberrypie]

Something is causing more Armys to wake up. There's also a lot of complaints about Butter.

 

[Kathyana]

Something is causing more Armys to wake up. There's also a lot of complaints about Butter.
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honestly jk seems to be distant from all of them recently. and in their recent live v was completely ignoring jk. and he looked so distant from the group only RM and jin seem to acknowledge him. dunno whats going on. and jm acting cute is annoying to watch

 

[eaisa]

honestly jk seems to be distant from all of them recently. and in their recent live v was completely ignoring jk. and he looked so distant from the group only RM and jin seem to acknowledge him. dunno whats going on. and jm acting cute is annoying to watch

v ignoring jk for once? a rare moment in history. its normally v coming over to bother jk. and of course jin and rm are the only ones that pay attention to him. back then theyd pay special attention to jk since he was still a minor but now hes grown up they suddenly pulled a 360 degrees.

 

[platinum]

Ahh too easy....there's no difference in many signs that certainly don't help to grow in fame. Then, what they do really to go on top?
I haven't seen any seductive food with BAP. One difference found. I haven't seen them lying on pillow, using feline with seduction; no "peaches nd cream" lyrics from them, Some difference found
And honestly, I haven't seen any cult sign from them, only pure concept.

Youre right.. there are many other groups with worse symbolism but they dont get far with fame, but just because they aren't at the top with bts and all doesn't mean they weren't nobodies. Im sure they had their share of fame and with that some disadvantages. And even if it was just a concept there is no reason to support them, they probably would have gotten worse if they had gotten anymore fame.
I dont believe that all idols sell their soul as soon as they debut but there are times when smaller groups just get viral out of nowhere. Or when they suddenly make a hit viral song with a small entertainment company and significantly more or darker symbolism. For me its Red Velvet, with all their blatant witchcraft going on their music videos you would think they would be as famous as Blackpink. Alas, no. But they are still one of the more popular k-ggs in the world.
Or maybe its because of the music... Im sure most people would have preferred bts music over bap, just to simplify things. With better music and visuals it would be easier to brainwash fans.

 

[queen82]

v ignoring jk for once? a rare moment in history. its normally v coming over to bother jk. and of course jin and rm are the only ones that pay attention to him. back then theyd pay special attention to jk since he was still a minor but now hes grown up they suddenly pulled a 360 degrees.

maybe he's tired of doing fan service ..

 

[arhur12]

Ladies code(hate you) and VIXX(voodoo doll) showed more disgusting voodoo dolls, which is a form witchcraft in their mvs, but they are nowhere near popular groups; moreover getting banned for showing violence

VIXX's Voodoo Doll Dance Banned From All Three Music Broadcasts

SBS2's Music Bank, MBC's Show! Music Core, and KBS's Inkigayo have all decided to prohibit VIXX from performing their live for their recently released track Voodoo Doll.

www.kpopstarz.com

But what fans saying:
"It confuses me why Wheesung's song was banned for the lyrics "Love is delicious" while miss A's new song 'Hush' has a line that says, "You're more delicious than a lollilollilollipop", which hasn't been caught yet; Does the ministry ban songs as they please.. What are the standards?"

"So these guys can't do it but Troublemaker's choreography is okay? "

"Why is it okay for girl groups to shake their butts in revealing clothes and Troublemaker to perform their choreography but not VIXX? What are the standards? "

You see where it leads to, anything is possible if you please and f*** hard $ugar d@ddies. Blackpink has "Icecream" and Red velvet has extremely sensual song, eg icecream cake where lyrics goes like this--

Please give me that sweet taste, ice cream cake
With a flavor that fits this special day
The ice cream that’s on my mouth
Makes your heart pound and you'll come to me
It’s so tasty come and chase me
I can't hold it in
I scream, you scream
Gimme that, gimme that, ice cream

Pops, it's melting in my mouth, putting so much in
That it'll feel like my mouth is melting down

Honestly I don't think it's related to symbolism in their mvs and songs there are plenty of groups who use dark symbolisms in their mvs but they don't make it big at the end of the day it's all about business, marketing and investment. M1ss A are from a big company that's why they didn't face as much backlash as Vixx which are from a smaller company.
Bt5 and black p1nk made it big because they are more marketable towards the west
These are the factors in my opinion which made bt5 big
1- They had a strong social media presence since their rookie days
2- their mvs and songs even though they did not contain heavy symbolisms before bst were about rebellion against society e.g no more dream was a criticism of sk education system. Satan loves Chaos and breaking of social norms in the occult breaking social taboos is considered one of their favourite tasks. That's why you see these campaigns today encouraging people to be "different" do something that "defies cultural norms".
3- They had a sob story and the west loves sob stories plus Hyb3 keeps marketing them as victims who fought against a system that favours the rich and privileged groups in an increasingly liberal western society with high levels of income inequality this message was more appealing to the young people in America
4- They were known as a self produced group another thing that appeals to the west.
5- Hyb3's slogan "Music and artists for healing" was also appealing to western countries as they are obsessed with "meaningful music full of propagandas"
6- All of them are irreligious or atheist and their concepts after bst were based on literature/scientific theories in favor of atheism
7- They are mediocre in terms of actual singing and dancing talent which makes them less of a threat to western artists.
8- They make radio friendly music with easy choreographies and even when they make interesting music it is backed by some liberal pseudo intellectual lyrics about "self love" or "self actualization"


At the end of the day it's more about marketing than occultic symbooisms Red velvet isn't as popular as Black P1nk or Twice because 5m sucks at marketing despite red velvet having more dark symbolisms in their mvs same reason why x-0 didn't blow up

 

[platinum]

Honestly I don't think it's related to symbolism in their mvs and songs there are plenty of groups who use dark symbolisms in their mvs but they don't make it big at the end of the day it's all about business, marketing and investment. M1ss A are from a big company that's why they didn't face as much backlash as Vixx which are from a smaller company.
Bt5 and black p1nk made it big because they are more marketable towards the west
These are the factors in my opinion which made bt5 big
1- They had a strong social media presence since their rookie days
2- their mvs and songs even though they did not contain heavy symbolisms before bst were about rebellion against society e.g no more dream was a criticism of sk education system. Satan loves Chaos and breaking of social norms in the occult breaking social taboos is considered one of their favourite tasks. That's why you see these campaigns today encouraging people to be "different" do something that "defies cultural norms".
3- They had a sob story and the west loves sob stories plus Hyb3 keeps marketing them as victims who fought against a system that favours the rich and privileged groups in an increasingly liberal western society with high levels of income inequality this message was more appealing to the young people in America
4- They were known as a self produced group another thing that appeals to the west.
5- Hyb3's slogan "Music and artists for healing" was also appealing to western countries as they are obsessed with "meaningful music full of propagandas"
6- All of them are irreligious or atheist and their concepts after bst were based on literature/scientific theories in favor of atheism
7- They are mediocre in terms of actual singing and dancing talent which makes them less of a threat to western artists.
8- They make radio friendly music with easy choreographies and even when they make interesting music it is backed by some liberal pseudo intellectual lyrics about "self love" or "self actualization"


At the end of the day it's more about marketing than occultic symbooisms Red velvet isn't as popular as Black P1nk or Twice because 5m sucks at marketing despite red velvet having more dark symbolisms in their mvs same reason why x-0 didn't blow up

True true, also the fact that bts's success was planned from the start. They were made for the popularity.

 

[platinum]

Ladies code(hate you) and VIXX(voodoo doll) showed more disgusting voodoo dolls, which is a form witchcraft in their mvs, but they are nowhere near popular groups; moreover getting banned for showing violence

VIXX's Voodoo Doll Dance Banned From All Three Music Broadcasts

SBS2's Music Bank, MBC's Show! Music Core, and KBS's Inkigayo have all decided to prohibit VIXX from performing their live for their recently released track Voodoo Doll.

www.kpopstarz.com

But what fans saying:
"It confuses me why Wheesung's song was banned for the lyrics "Love is delicious" while miss A's new song 'Hush' has a line that says, "You're more delicious than a lollilollilollipop", which hasn't been caught yet; Does the ministry ban songs as they please.. What are the standards?"

"So these guys can't do it but Troublemaker's choreography is okay? "

"Why is it okay for girl groups to shake their butts in revealing clothes and Troublemaker to perform their choreography but not VIXX? What are the standards? "

You see where it leads to, anything is possible if you please and f*** hard $ugar d@ddies. Blackpink has "Icecream" and Red velvet has extremely sensual song, eg icecream cake where lyrics goes like this--

Please give me that sweet taste, ice cream cake
With a flavor that fits this special day
The ice cream that’s on my mouth
Makes your heart pound and you'll come to me
It’s so tasty come and chase me
I can't hold it in
I scream, you scream
Gimme that, gimme that, ice cream

Pops, it's melting in my mouth, putting so much in
That it'll feel like my mouth is melting down

From what i know Redvelvets monster was extremely censored too...it was supposed to be more creepy and explicit than it already was. Coincidentally the mv also had creepy dolls in it.

 

[Strawberrypie]

honestly jk seems to be distant from all of them recently. and in their recent live v was completely ignoring jk. and he looked so distant from the group only RM and jin seem to acknowledge him. dunno whats going on. and jm acting cute is annoying to watch

It's sad watching Jm acting cute when everyone else is more serious. They look amused or annoyed with him. I wonder what's happening in Jk life that's causing him to look so serious. I wonder if he's "matured" like Tae. It's possible staff are pushing this delulu, "everyone is happy" stuff.

v ignoring jk for once? a rare moment in history. its normally v coming over to bother jk. and of course jin and rm are the only ones that pay attention to him. back then theyd pay special attention to jk since he was still a minor but now hes grown up they suddenly pulled a 360 degrees.

I don't want to assume why they gave him so much attention. It's possible they felt bad for him being so young in that industry.

 

[queen82]

It's sad watching Jm acting cute when everyone else is more serious. They look amused or annoyed with him. I wonder what's happening in Jk life that's causing him to look so serious. I wonder if he's "matured" like Tae. It's possible staff are pushing this delulu, "everyone is happy" stuff.

I don't want to assume why they gave him so much attention. It's possible they felt bad for him being so young in that industry.

abuse and fame changing him

 

[Strawberrypie]

abuse and fame changing him

He doesn't smile the same way. It doesn't reach his eyes.

 

[platinum]

He doesn't smile the same way. It doesn't reach his eyes.

lol that's probably the botox

 

[eaisa]

lol that's probably the botox

NOT YOU RUINING THE MOOD