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Why don't you want sources Grace? Does it make it difficult to shove those fingers into those ears? Here, you can hear it from the horses mouths.

I'll have to watch the whole interview, this video mentioned only one statement that means absolutely nothing unless he clearly explain reasoning behind it and support it with evidence.
The more I learn, the more I see that Christian doctrine is as far from Islamic doctrine, as is the west from the east. Maybe Muhammad was a prophet, but I don't think a prophet of Christian God.

So saying Muslim men hit their wives is not an attack at Islam? Would you like to see some videos on abusive Christian men?
I didn't wrote "Muslim men hit their wives", but that your holy book allows you to hit your wife. It's disturbing to say the least. And it's not about people, but about the rule book.

The prophet of Islam (saw) said the best of men are those who are best to their wives.
Nice.

The truth is 999 humans out of every 1000 will end up in hell. Hell is crated for a purpose and many are most deserving, such as those who harm children. However the greatest sin, far beyond r*pe and murder is worshiping anything or anyone other then God. What is the 1st commandment Grace?
Honestly? I don't know what I would be doing in the garden of pleasures for eternity, I would get bored quickly. I like to work, explore and learn, so new heavens and new earth with God ruling it from the New Jerusalem sound much more exciting :)

Sadly many won't realize this until judgement day, when Jesus says, "get away from me you workers of lawlessness".
To put it more into context:
"On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"

You are not interpreting this correctly. Jesus is talking here about people who claimed to be Christians, but really were not. As Paul Washer explains: "there are all sorts of things going on in this world today in the name of Jesus Christ that have absolutely nothing to do with the name of Jesus Christ and there are a lot of people claiming relationship with Jesus Christ that have no relationship whatsoever with Jesus Christ."

Jesus doesn't blame people here for worshiping him as God, not even remotely. I would expect Him to word it differently in such case.

I'm afraid it's sadly going to be you who will hear similar words from Jesus if don't come back. Or rather something along the lines "why did you left me? Out of love I payed a high price for your salvation, for your sins to be washed away, for your garment to be white as snow. Why did you harden your heart against me?"
 

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I think you got me mixed up with some one else actually... I haha the comment you made about beef i agree thought your comment on it was funny. As for the ped** thing i don't have a comment on that. Not my place to judge that. Times where different and honestly not going to disparage any prophets. As for demonized hindu i agree with u that's where i made my comment about ban me for calling them genetic mistakes because that is
what the deities look like imo.
I see, my apologies then, i thought you had a different intent.
 

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I am not going to preach Islam to you but I will try to answer all of your questions respectfully
Firstly I agree with you about child marriage not being preferable in today's society but we have to look at the context back in the 7th century and even in Prophet Jesus's (peace be upon him) time it was not considered wrong it was the norm. You said that 20s is the ideal age of marriage I will agree with you on that but you have to understand that people at that times were not living in "ideal conditions" their was no concept of education no choice of careers/professions life was hard and some practices which are considered wrong today were necessary for survival at that time. I would also like to add most Muslims were poor our own Prophet Muhammad S.A.W lived on a diet of dates and water mostly which would not be considered a "Healthy or sustainable diet" today. Child labor was allowed as well and even Islam did not forbid it Prophet Muhammad S.A.W was 12 when he would go with his uncle on expeditions to Syria for trade and he was also a shepherd at that time this would also be considered child labor and abuse by today's standards. One of the biggest enemies of Islam was killed by 2 brothers of 14-15 years which means it was perfectly normal to send young boys going through puberty to war at that time again no parents today would agree to this but it was necessary for survival at that time. I don't consider Prophet Muhammad S.A.W's marriage to Ayesha as ..........because it was consensual according to traditions and she was proud and happy about it but I would also not agree with Muslims advocating or supporting child marriage today because most child brides of today are "forced" into marriage by their parents and abuse of young girls is common and if they agree to it because they want it then their would be nothing wrong with marrying a child to an old man even today. Alot of Muslims fail to understand that even if child marriage is not prohibited it would not be preferable in modern society because a child of 9-10 years today is very different from a child of 9-10 years in the past. In the past we had no concept of education or career/professions and most work which brought money to the house was hard labor which required physical strength and women were not deemed fit for that job so as harsh as it may sound the only purpose of young girl was to bear children and take care of the house but things are different now we have more opportunities today and how we raise our children is also different from in the past and a young girl of 9-10 years today is not eligible to be a mother she may be functionally a complete woman but she is not "responsible" or "mature" and she would not be able to fulfill her duties as a mother or wife responsibly today.
About Muslim women being mistreated That is not from Islam it is a problem of Muslims not being able to act on what they believe in and that is not a Muslim problem because sadly most Christians and jews do not follow their religious teachings as well it is a flaw of our character A Muslim man is only allowed to beat his wife in case of "adultery" according to the Quran
"Men are caretakers of women, since Allah has made some of them excel the others, and because of the wealth they have spent. So, the righteous women are obedient, (and) guard (the property and honor of their husbands) in (their) absence with the protection given by Allah. As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them. Then, if they obey you, do not seek a way against them. Surely, Allah is the Highest, the Greatest." An-Nisa 34
notice in the ayah it says that "if they obey you do not seek a way against them" to make sure that men do not use this against women sadly some Muslim men choose to ignore the teachings of Quran and use this to justify wife beating but that is a problem of their own character.
Prophet Muhammad S.A.W did not beat his wives and none of the companions of the Prophet S.A.W did that and if Muslim men were following his sunnah they would not be doing this either.
About the man being given more rights he is also given more responsibilities as well he is responsible for all finances of his wife,children,old parents, his unmarried sister if they are orphans and any other helpless woman in his close family while a woman even if she earns her own income has no financial obligations and the man must pay for her he has no right to take anything from his wife's money and if he does not fulfill these responsibilities than a woman does not need to be obedient to her husband. A man is not allowed to stare at a woman more than once

Jarir bin `Abdullah (May Allah be pleased with him) said: I asked the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) about (the Islamic ruling on) accidental glance (i.e., at a woman one is not Islamically allowed to look at) and he ordered me to turn my eyes away.
[Muslim].
about loving your wife
. Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
The most complete of the believers in faith, is the one with the best character. And the best of you are those who are best to their women.”(At-Tirmidhi and authenticated by Al-Albani)

So the problem is with us Muslims who do not follow Islam and fail to acknowledge our mistakes and as I said it is a flaw of our character which we should overcome but because we are not perfect creatures you cannot single out Muslims for not following Islam because alot of christians and Jews are guilty of the same.
I won't talk about Prophet Muhammad S.A.W being mentioned in the Bible because that is your personal belief just as you believe in divinity of Jesus Christ we believe that Prophet Muhammad S.A.W was the final Prophet from God you can believe what you want and let us believe what we want.
Thank you for your kind response :)
I agree that nobody is perfect in following rules of their faith, even when we try our best.
That's why I'm really glad I don't have to rely on my works to go to heaven.
 

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I see, my apologies then, i thought you had a different intent.
Nope and apology excepted. Like i said will not debate or comment on that topic because A: it shouldn't be in this thread anyway. B: times where different not my place to judge and i do believe enough has been said about that.
 

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Not sure by what you meant with "For instance you can't be gay and be Muslim as they contradict" akhi. HayaakAllah. Someone who believes in Islaam and falls into the disgusting sin of homosexuality are still Muslim but they are involved in a great sin. They only become non Muslim if they say that homosexuality is allowed. This is what separates Ahlul Sunnah from the khawaarij. Ahlul sunnah do not consider any sin to invalidate ones Islaam except for shirk. BaarakAllahu feek.
There is no contest when comparing Islamic knowledge as yours greatly exceeds mine.

Many people i see today (i do live in the US) are fake Muslims. I know some who don't pray, others who don't fast in Ramadan. I have a co-worker who never misses a fard fast and he even does many nafl fasts. However his prayer is very hit and miss.

There are some who drink and so on... Whether men sleeping with men removes one from Islam.. idk as I have no evidence. Yet making it public and advertising it is more haram then a pork sandwich.


However to my knowledge there are many things that can remove one from Islam. Such as mocking the religion, telling lies, not praying, ect.

If a brother is married to a man, is his ibadah accepted? Allahu alim.

Idk, if i actually knew a gay Muslim i would make every effort to show him the error of his ways.
 

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How is it possible to be a military forum moderator and wargame champion, and not know what a false flag military operation is?
The reason Israel wants (and pays) Hamas to attack Israel, is so Israel has a ready-made excuse to bomb the Palestinians.

That's just another consp-theory, you'll be telling us next that the Israelis did 9/11.. :p
As a Christian, I don't much like jews or muslims or any other Jesus-rejecters and am therefore strictly neutral, but we regularly see on the news Hamas firing rockets out of Gaza, 2000 in the latest flare up.
Militarily Hamas are wasting their time if they think it'll make Israel surrender, Hitler tried it by bombarding London with bombers, flying bombs and rockets but it didn't work.

 

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The more I learn, the more I see that Christian doctrine is as far from Islamic doctrine, as is the west from the east. Maybe Muhammad was a prophet, but I don't think a prophet of Christian God.
There is only one God. You will find many more similarities if you compared a unitarian Christian's beliefs like Todd or Orwell to Islamic doctrine.

I didn't wrote "Muslim men hit their wives", but that your holy book allows you to hit your wife. It's disturbing to say the least.
Your book says to r*pe per-pubrecent woman. Would you like to get into it? Does the word Taph mean anything to you?

To put it more into context:
"On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
Typical response. Guess you'll have to hear it in person from the man himself.

I'm afraid it's sadly going to be you who will hear similar words from Jesus if don't come back. Or rather something along the lines "why did you left me? Out of love I payed a high price for your salvation, for your sins to be washed away, for your garment to be white as snow. Why did you harden your heart against me?"

The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam (3:59)

They do blaspheme who say: “Allah is Christ the son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden,
and the Fire will be his abode. (5:72)

I can point out 6 ways till Sunday how none but God the Father are worthy of worship and nothing will change.
You know what they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Think of me, when you're asked on judgement day.. "didn't a warner come to you?"
 

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Your book says to r*pe per-pubrecent woman. Would you like to get into it? Does the word Taph mean anything to you?
I'm done with this topic. I never wanted to address it, but you dragged me into it with a pretty rude comment, just because I dared to like comment of a Hindu, remember? And then few answers later you wondered how you also got to comment on it...

Typical response. Guess you'll have to hear it in person from the man himself.
Can't wait to meet Him, my Lord, my God and my Savior :)
He'll give me white garment of a bride and the crown of righteousness.

Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting:
“Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.”
(Rev 19:6)

Think of me, when you're asked on judgement day.. "didn't a warner come to you?"
I'll not be present at the last judgement. Hope you'll neither.
 

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but you dragged me into it with a pretty rude comment,
How is saying my book says to beat women, not rude?


I'll not be present at the last judgement. Hope you'll neither.
Every single soul from Adam to the last will stand before the Almighty on the last day. This is unavoidable.
We will be judged on the decisions we make in this life, and that will decide where we go in the next one.

I would like to meet my Lord. It is said God is happy to meet those who wants to meet him and He hates to meet those who hate to meet him. While none hate to meet him but those who know their eternal home is in the fire.

Ask the Almighty to show you the truth. It is the only way you will find it.

Peace.
 

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There is no contest when comparing Islamic knowledge as yours greatly exceeds mine.

Many people i see today (i do live in the US) are fake Muslims. I know some who don't pray, others who don't fast in Ramadan. I have a co-worker who never misses a fard fast and he even does many nafl fasts. However his prayer is very hit and miss.

There are some who drink and so on... Whether men sleeping with men removes one from Islam.. idk as I have no evidence. Yet making it public and advertising it is more haram then a pork sandwich.


However to my knowledge there are many things that can remove one from Islam. Such as mocking the religion, telling lies, not praying, ect.

If a brother is married to a man, is his ibadah accepted? Allahu alim.

Idk, if i actually knew a gay Muslim i would make every effort to show him the error of his ways.
Salam! brother According to scholarly consensus if someone is gay but they do not act on their desires or end up doing it but repent it later and acknowledge it as a sin then they will not be considered out of the circle of islam but if they actively try to justify and promote their actions from Quran and do not even consider this a sin than that would be considered as "innovation and inventing lies against Allah and his book" which is a grave sin and will make them go out of the circle of islam
 

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It is said God is happy to meet those who wants to meet him and He hates to meet those who hate to meet him.
As God's go, this one sounds very narcissistic. Insecure even.

Just for clarity, under what circumstances would God be meeting those who hated him? Don't all the unbelievers, atheists etc go straight to hell with the pit of fire and gnashing of teeth and all that business?

We will be judged on the decisions we make in this life, and that will decide where we go in the next one.
This confuses me also. This additional life people get, sounds very much like Pacman or some arcade game.

What happens to somebody who had a really bad start in life?; got badly abused by their parents and as a result turned into a wayward/naughty child as they were not given any boundaries or guidence. But as they mature they manage to rationalise their early life and realise they needed to change. They then turn their lives around and go on to live a life helping others who are going through the same things they did.

Are you claiming that in this instance the deciding factor on where this person spends their next life (which is gonna be much better than this one, honestly) is whether they believed in God or not?

My father was a truly evil man. He believed in God.

I am the total opposite of my father as a rest of my experiences. I don't believe in God.

So in your enlightened opinion on the matter who is going where? Is my Dad going to heaven or hell when he dies? Where am I off to?

I'm only asking because I really want to avoid the guy, in this life and the next one.

Peace
 

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As God's go, this one sounds very narcissistic. Insecure even.

Just for clarity, under what circumstances would God be meeting those who hated him? Don't all the unbelievers, atheists etc go straight to hell with the pit of fire and gnashing of teeth and all that business?
Pretty much, everyone who disbelieves in the Creator will enter the fire.

Its justifiable when you figure God gives you everything while the disbeliever can't be bothered to say as much as thank you. Its alot like you taking a job and collecting a paycheck week after week, month after month, year after year.. but never showing up for work.

Its not a joke, the least punishment is a pair of shoes that will make the brain boil and its permanent.


This confuses me also. This additional life people get, sounds very much like Pacman or some arcade game.
There are different reasons for this. For some people God will extend their life if they do good deeds. For others he will extend the life of evil people so they can increase in sin, which increases their inevitable torment.

Some of us are tests for others, for example i lost a niece in a car accident when she was 10 years old. This was likely a test for my sister and God knows best.

God knows exactly what every soul will do when he created us. There are no mistakes, everyone dies when they are supposed to. None are taken early. If a man dies as a disbeliever at 20 then he would have never believed even if he lived to be 100.


What happens to somebody who had a really bad start in life?; got badly abused by their parents and as a result turned into a wayward/naughty child as they were not given any boundaries or guidence. But as they mature they manage to rationalise their early life and realise they needed to change. They then turn their lives around and go on to live a life helping others who are going through the same things they did.
A famous figure in Islam once said "those with the worst past can have the best future". This man tried to kill Islams prophet (saw) and eventually became the caliph (Muslim king).

The Almighty is the most forgiving. If you ask for his forgiveness with sincerity odds are high you will receive it.

While all deeds will be weighed, It really only matters what you die on. If you die as a disbeliever you pretty much have no chance. If you lived for 80 years as a disbeliever and believed for the last year of your life, then you have a chance depending on your relationship with the Almighty.


Are you claiming that in this instance the deciding factor on where this person spends their next life (which is gonna be much better than this one, honestly) is whether they believed in God or not?

My father was a truly evil man. He believed in God.

I am the total opposite of my father as a rest of my experiences. I don't believe in God.

So in your enlightened opinion on the matter who is going where? Is my Dad going to heaven or hell when he dies? Where am I off to?

I'm only asking because I really want to avoid the guy, in this life and the next one.

Peace
Belief in God is highly important but it doesn't promise heaven. There will be believers in hell depending on their deeds in this life.

It really depends on what you do as this life is a test and everything will be brought to account.

If you're a good man but are not a believer, say a polytheist who often feeds the homeless then you will likely receive your reward in this life. Wealth, extended life, ect. If you're a believer, pure monotheist, but do very little to no good deeds then you will likely end up in hell for a period before you'll be granted heaven.

I can't say where you or your father is going. I myself am not promised Heaven. Only the Almighty knows what me and you will die on and where we will ultimately end up.
 

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Salam! brother According to scholarly consensus if someone is gay but they do not act on their desires or end up doing it but repent it later and acknowledge it as a sin then they will not be considered out of the circle of islam but if they actively try to justify and promote their actions from Quran and do not even consider this a sin than that would be considered as "innovation and inventing lies against Allah and his book" which is a grave sin and will make them go out of the circle of islam
Wa alaykum as salaam.This is essentially what i believe. Whoever has these tendencies must suppress it. If they make it public or openly advocate for it, at the very least they are on the fence.
 

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So I read the entire thread and I would like to add a point which my Muslim brothers and sisters did not mention here about why we believe Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a Prophet and not God
Firstly the concept of "Tawheed" or oneness of God is the most fundamental principle of islam one part of this Principle is that God is not "begotten" nor does he "beget" Allah says in the Quran:
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Allah when he talks about Christians in the Quran he mentions this point again and again that the Christians say that Allah has taken a "son" that Allah "beget" someone which is a blasphemy against God because God is above all of this he does not need to "beget" someone he does not have a need for a "family" or a "partner" when he wishes to do something he "Commands be and it is"
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this is also a proof that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a mere human and not a divine entity. Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was born from the womb of Mary (peace be upon her) if he was divine as Christians believe why did he need to have a mother? Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was dependent on his mother like any other child he ate and drank like any other human do you believe that God the almighty would need to be dependent on a human to be born into this world? Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was born from the womb of a human woman, he went through the same 9 month cycle that all children go through would he need to be born in this way if he was divine? Would he need to be dependent on a mother to take care of him in his infancy? Prophet Isa's (peace be upon him) virgin birth was a miracle but he still had a mother. Adam was born without a father or mother why did God not create Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) in the same way? Christians this is a point to ponder on and my brothers and sisters have already talked about the fundamental problems with the triune concept. I am not going to argue with you or try to convince you into becoming Muslims because the Almighty God is the one who gives guidance my sole duty is to provide the message of Allah to you and the rest is between you and God if you stick to your beliefs fine by me I have fulfilled my duty for which I will be questioned on the day of judgement.
 

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As God's go, this one sounds very narcissistic. Insecure even.

Just for clarity, under what circumstances would God be meeting those who hated him? Don't all the unbelievers, atheists etc go straight to hell with the pit of fire and gnashing of teeth and all that business?



This confuses me also. This additional life people get, sounds very much like Pacman or some arcade game.

What happens to somebody who had a really bad start in life?; got badly abused by their parents and as a result turned into a wayward/naughty child as they were not given any boundaries or guidence. But as they mature they manage to rationalise their early life and realise they needed to change. They then turn their lives around and go on to live a life helping others who are going through the same things they did.

Are you claiming that in this instance the deciding factor on where this person spends their next life (which is gonna be much better than this one, honestly) is whether they believed in God or not?

My father was a truly evil man. He believed in God.

I am the total opposite of my father as a rest of my experiences. I don't believe in God.

So in your enlightened opinion on the matter who is going where? Is my Dad going to heaven or hell when he dies? Where am I off to?

I'm only asking because I really want to avoid the guy, in this life and the next one.

Peace
According to Islam All humans whether they believe in God or not will appear in front of God on the day of judgement it's not as simple as believers will go to heaven and atheists will go to hell we will be judged on our deeds in this life. Even those who believe in God but had done evil deeds in this world will go to hell. Also no believer can say with guarantee that they will go to heaven because it is by God's will that we will be sent to heaven or hell. If you deny his existence and do not even believe in his commands or life after death than on what grounds would you go to heaven? the same heaven you claim does not even exist!! Because you deny God's existence today God will not exist for you on the day of judgement he will not help you in any way on the day of judgement. You may have been the most generous and altruistic person in this life and might have done more charitable or kind acts than a believer but you rejected the existence of your creator and the creator of this world and thus by denying his existence you have shown "ungratefulness" for all the blessings he bestowed upon you. He breathed life into you he created a place (Earth) for you to live on he gave you five senses and a sound mind and bestowed you with many more blessings throughout your life. It is by his will that you even exist in this world so when you deny his existence you are committing a major sin.


Still I am not saying that you will surely be burning in hell because you are an atheist because you still have life God might change your heart and make you a believer before your death. And finally he is the almighty who loves us more than 70 mothers could so if he "Wills" you may be forgiven on the day of judgement but that will not be because of your deeds it will be because my God is more merciful and forgiving than anyone could even imagine but the general rule is that if you are not a believer than you will go to hell but, none of us can say that we will go to heaven because of our deeds because we are flawed creatures we commit sins left and right and even though I am a Muslim I cannot say that I will be going to heaven.

Please I do not mean to offend or downgrade anyone here I am merely explaining my personal beliefs and if you disagree with them than fine by me God gave everyone free will and you have a choice to choose whatever you wish to believe in my sole duty is to deliver the message of God to you after that whether you accept it or deny it it is your choice I cannot force anything on you and God will judge you himself on the day of judgement.
 
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So I read the entire thread and I would like to add a point which my Muslim brothers and sisters did not mention here about why we believe Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a Prophet and not God
Firstly the concept of "Tawheed" or oneness of God is the most fundamental principle of islam one part of this Principle is that God is not "begotten" nor does he "beget" Allah says in the Quran:
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Allah when he talks about Christians in the Quran he mentions this point again and again that the Christians say that Allah has taken a "son" that Allah "beget" someone which is a blasphemy against God because God is above all of this he does not need to "beget" someone he does not have a need for a "family" or a "partner" when he wishes to do something he "Commands be and it is"
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this is also a proof that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a mere human and not a divine entity. Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was born from the womb of Mary (peace be upon her) if he was divine as Christians believe why did he need to have a mother? Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was dependent on his mother like any other child he ate and drank like any other human do you believe that God the almighty would need to be dependent on a human to be born into this world? Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was born from the womb of a human woman, he went through the same 9 month cycle that all children go through would he need to be born in this way if he was divine? Would he need to be dependent on a mother to take care of him in his infancy? Prophet Isa's (peace be upon him) virgin birth was a miracle but he still had a mother. Adam was born without a father or mother why did God not create Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) in the same way? Christians this is a point to ponder on and my brothers and sisters have already talked about the fundamental problems with the triune concept. I am not going to argue with you or try to convince you into becoming Muslims because the Almighty God is the one who gives guidance my sole duty is to provide the message of Allah to you and the rest is between you and God if you stick to your beliefs fine by me I have fulfilled my duty for which I will be questioned on the day of judgement.
There is no doubt that Jesus (Isa), the mortal human son born of the virgin body of Mary, was a Prophet. It says so throughout Scripture, in the Old Covenant, New Covenant and in the Koran (Quran).

Similarly, there is no doubt that Jesus was NOT God, and we have that straight from the mouth of Jesus hundreds of times, throughout the Gospel accounts that quote Him (which are the Gospel of Jesus (Injeel), despite false claims to the contrary). There is no "trinity" (John 14:28, John 20:17, Rev. 3:12, Sura 4:171), as is wrongly taught in Roman Catholicism and most of the protestant denominations/sects to which the RCC gave birth.

Further, there is no doubt that God, Who is a Spirit-Being (John 4:24) does NOT have a consort (i.e. there is no "queen of heaven" - Jer. 44:17-25) and does NOT beget HUMAN sons.

However, God did CREATE the Angels, aka "the Sons of God" (Job 1:6, 2:1), who are likewise immortal spiritual-Beings, just as God is a Spiritual-Being. The very first spirit-Being that God created is (Prince) Michael (Dan. 10:21, 12:1, Rom. 8:29, Col. 1:12-15, Rev. 3:14) , known here on Earth as The Messiah/Christ. It is through Prince Michael/Christ that God (Father, the "I AM", Allah) created the everything and everyone else.

John 1:10 He (Christ) was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world (humans) knew him not (could not SEE him inside the body of Jesus).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance (being the firstborn/first-created Son of God) obtained a more excellent name than they.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son (Prince Michael/Christ):
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood (Jesus, Whom Christ incarnated/"strengthened"), [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

The virgin birth is confirmed in the Koran/Quran [Sura 19 (Mary)], as is the fact that Isa (Jesus), the mortal human son of Mary, was "strengthened" (incarnated by) the immortal Spirit-Being Prince Michael/Christ (the Holy Spirit/Comforter).

Sura 2:87. We gave Moses The Book (The Torah – The Law) and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) AND STRENGTHENED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (CHRISTJohn 14:15-19). Is it that whenever there comes to you an Apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay (Matt. 21:33-46)!

Sura 2:253. Those Apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: to one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), AND RE-INFORCED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (THE SPIRIT-BEING CHRISTJohn 16:7-16). If God had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If God had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but God fulfilleth His Plan.

Sura 5:113. Then will "I AM" say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I STRENGTHENED THEE WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (CHRIST), so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee The Book (The Torah and Prophets – John 7:15-17, Sura 7:157-158) and Wisdom (John 5:20), The Law (The Torah – John 5:46-47) and The Gospel (Mark 1:14-15) and behold! Thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, thou breathest into it (Gen. 2:7), and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind (John 9), and the lepers (Luke 7:22), by My leave (John 3:35). And behold! Thou bringest forth the dead by My leave (John 5:21). And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the Clear Signs (Luke 4:16-30), and the Unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but sorcery' (Mark 6:1-6).

It is blasphemously taught in most sects of "Islam" that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the Holy Spirit/Comforter, which is not true.

IF “Muslims” actually did God's Will (Islam), and read the Bible as He has COMMANDED them to do, they would see for themselves Who the Comforter/Holy Spirit really is: CHRIST (John 14:15-19, 16:7-16), Who is mentioned directly or indirectly over 300 times in the Koran.

John 16:7, 13-16
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the Truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU.

16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will GUIDE you into all Truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.
16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.
16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me (3 days and 3 nights): and AGAIN, a little while (after the Ascension), and ye SHALL see me, BECAUSE I go to the Father.

John 14:17-18
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.


These passages alone, if carefully studied, asking for God's Holy Spirit for guidance, prove beyond any reasonable doubt, that the world's two largest organized religions -- "Christianity" and "Islam" both have it wrong. It should also clear up the common misconception in "Islam" about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, which could not possibly have killed the immortal Spirit-Being Christ incarnated inside of Jesus, exactly as it says in Sura 4:157-159.
 

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According to Islam All humans whether they believe in God or not will appear in front of God on the day of judgement it's not as simple as believers will go to heaven and atheists will go to hell we will be judged on our deeds in this life. Even those who believe in God but had done evil deeds in this world will go to hell. Also no believer can say with guarantee that they will go to heaven because it is by God's will that we will be sent to heaven or hell. If you deny his existence and do not even believe in his commands or life after death than on what grounds would you go to heaven? the same heaven you claim does not even exist!! Because you deny God's existence today God will not exist for you on the day of judgement he will not help you in any way on the day of judgement. You may have been the most generous and altruistic person in this life and might have done more charitable or kind acts than a believer but you rejected the existence of your creator and the creator of this world and thus by denying his existence you have shown "ungratefulness" for all the blessings he bestowed upon you. He breathed life into you he created a place (Earth) for you to live on he gave you five senses and a sound mind and bestowed you with many more blessings throughout your life. It is by his will that you even exist in this world so when you deny his existence you are committing a major sin.


Still I am not saying that you will surely be burning in hell because you are an atheist because you still have life God might change your heart and make you a believer before your death. And finally he is the almighty who loves us more than 70 mothers could so if he "Wills" you may be forgiven on the day of judgement but that will not be because of your deeds it will be because my God is more merciful and forgiving than anyone could even imagine but the general rule is that if you are not a believer than you will go to hell but, none of us can say that we will go to heaven because of our deeds because we are flawed creatures we commit sins left and right and even though I am a Muslim I cannot say that I will be going to heaven.

Please I do not mean to offend or downgrade anyone here I am merely explaining my personal beliefs and if you disagree with them than fine by me God gave everyone free will and you have a choice to choose whatever you wish to believe in my sole duty is to deliver the message of God to you after that whether you accept it or deny it it is your choice I cannot force anything on you and God will judge you himself on the day of judgement.
Thank-you and agreed that we will all stand in Judgment on the Last Day. If I may share this please, it will be before Christ, to Whom God has committed all judgment.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son (Enoch/Idris 58:1; 60:11; 68:39):

This is why it's so critically important for us to read and digest all of the Holy Scriptures, so that we can overcome the misunderstandings of them that are so commonly taught throughout the organized religions.

Peace be upon you.

P.S. There should be nothing offensive about sharing the truth with others, particularly given that everyone's true, eternal (spiritual) lives are at stake.
 

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Pretty much, everyone who disbelieves in the Creator will enter the fire
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Don't you think this is pretty harsh on disbelievers who turned out to be genuine, sincere and kind people?

Its not a joke, the least punishment is a pair of shoes that will make the brain boil and its permanent
Gee, he's one sadistic son of a bitch isn't he? Brain boiling shoes??!?! That should be in the next Saw film!

There are different reasons for this. For some people God will extend their life if they do good deeds. For others he will extend the life of evil people so they can increase in sin, which increases their inevitable torment.
Isn't that again just a little bit sadistic? Extending the life of evil people who inevitably go on to kill or rob or harm good people who believe in him. I don't see any logic whatsoever in this statement, sorry.

Some of us are tests for others, for example i lost a niece in a car accident when she was 10 years old. This was likely a test for my sister and God knows
Yes I lost my mum at 5. I could also see this as a test, because it was, but it also could just be an unfortunate set of circumstances, which it was. My mum was very religious...prayed every day....dead at 27 leaving her children with a womanising alcoholic. Did God answer my mums prayers there then?

I will leave it there for now I know you have a very strong set of beliefs, but so do I. Your's come from a book....mine cones from my life.
 
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Don't you think this is pretty harsh on disbelievers who turned out to be genuine, sincere and kind people?
If you made over $25,000,000 at this job that you never showed up for, do you think you deserved a dime?
If i worked for you for 100 years and never worked a second, wouldn't you like that money back?

When i say everything comes from God i mean literally everything. From the air you breath to the hands you type with. Whens the last time you said thanks? How can you thank someone who you don't believe even exists?
Yet you continue to receive.

It is said if this world had an ounce of value the Almighty would not give a single disbeliever a sip of water. Yet you eat your fill day in and day out, yes? You benefit every second of every day from this "harsh" Lord.

End of the day its about gratitude and how can a disbeliever be grateful?

Gee, he's one sadistic son of a bitch isn't he? Brain boiling shoes??!?! That should be in the next Saw film!
Feel free to mock it, it is the reality.

Isn't that again just a little bit sadistic? Extending the life of evil people who inevitably go on to kill or rob or harm good people who believe in him. I don't see any logic whatsoever in this statement, sorry.
Isn't this what they want? Do you see Bill Gates or any Rockefeller wishing for death? Yet most of these people live near 100. Look at Kissinger, this man is little more then a walking corpse yet he continues to draw breath even with the blood of millions on his hands.

Any soul has a chance to renounce evil, these people do not. They only wish for more for themselves and less for us. When a billion go to bed hungry should a guy be drinking a $10,000 bottle of wine?

Why not give them a longer leash so when they finally reach the end running at full speed its that much more violent of a jerk.

Every soul will reap what is sows, so why not give people what they are asking for?

Don't worry, those who escape justice in this life will find the full brunt of it in the next one. One that is never ending.


Yes I lost my mum at 5. I could also see this as a test, because it was, but it also could just be an unfortunate set of circumstances, which it was. My mum was very religious...prayed every day....dead at 27 leaving her children with a womanising alcoholic. Did God answer my mums prayers there then?

I will leave it there for now I know you have a very strong set of beliefs, but so do I. Your's come from a book....mine cones from my life.
We all have difficulties in life. Some are worse then others. There is not a soul upon the planet that is not in a trial.

If your mother was a believer and now resides in heaven then God gave her the greatest mercy for what is this life but a prison for a believer and paradise for the disbeliever.
 

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Thank-you and agreed that we will all stand in Judgment on the Last Day. If I may share this please, it will be before Christ, to Whom God has committed all judgment.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son (Enoch/Idris 58:1; 60:11; 68:39):

This is why it's so critically important for us to read and digest all of the Holy Scriptures, so that we can overcome the misunderstandings of them that are so commonly taught throughout the organized religions.

Peace be upon you.

P.S. There should be nothing offensive about sharing the truth with others, particularly given that everyone's true, eternal (spiritual) lives are at stake.
I don't know what your sets of belief are and how you came to the conclusion that Angel Michael (peace be upon him) is the Christ but I respectfully choose to disagree with this opinion because there is nothing in the Quran that proves this. The angel who brings "Wahi" or "Revelation" to all Prophets (peace be upon them) is Gabriel (peace be upon him) he was the Angel sent to Mary to inform her of the glad tidings (gospel) that she will give birth to the Messiah Prophet Isa (jesus) (Peace be upon him) he is called "ruh-ul-ameen" the holy spirit. according to Quran Prophet Isa A.S was the promised Messiah sent to the Children of Israel who were at that time the "chosen people" but they did not believe in him and tried to crucify him because of which they are no longer God's favored people
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Prophet Isa A.S did not die on the cross he was raised alive to the heavens and he will come again in the final days to fight the Antichrist but he will not come as a Prophet this time but only as a member of Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) Ummah He has been called the "word of God" because Allah said "be and he was" he was also because Quran was sent to Confirm what was in the previous Holy Books and to correct any information that was lost or twisted so God has used these terms to mention Prophet Isa A.S to "Confirm" that indeed the Gospels, Torah, Psalms and The Quran are from the Same God Also I don't know where you got this information but Muslims do not say that Prophet Muhammad is the Holy spirit/comforter we say he is "Rehmat-al-lil-aalameen" which means he was sent as "mercy" for all the creation in this universe because his message is the salvation which will save mankind from the punishment of "Hell Fire".

P.S I am trying my best to be respectful towards non-muslims/Athiests here its because I believe it is best to be kind and gentle towards people when delivering God's message (Dawah) Allah said to Moses A.S and Aaron A.S in the Quran when they were going to confront Pharoah
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Instead of criticizing the Bible calling it Corrupted or harshly criticizing them for their beliefs I think it is better to speak in a courteous and polite manner first answering all their questions with logic we don't know maybe some of these people became atheists because they had bad experiences with religious people so I think we should be kind to them and try to understand them after this they have their choice they can choose to reject or accept these beliefs we cannot force them upon anyone because true faith comes from the heart our duty is to only deliver the message for which we will be held accountable on the day of judgement
but if after I have been respectful to them they speak ill of my beliefs deliberately try to mock my religion and show no respect towards me and my beliefs than I will be more harsh and straightforward towards them and respond to them in the same manner.
 
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