Do all religions lead us to God?

Tidal

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When I've got like 9 people ignored here Tidal i don't know how you haven't made my list.

I never put people on ignore because it's much more fun to read their posts and slap them around if they ask for it, and I say what this guy says-


PS- take care because when those 9 people talk about you behind your back, you won't be able to see what they're saying..:)
 

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hmm, looks like even Muslim scholars don't agree with you. And with each other. And with their younger selves.
Yasir Qadhi is an innovator. Its not surprising that he would say this. One of his teachers at Yale was Tony Blair.

Hamza Yusuf is also an innovator. Deviant Sufi. Astray and leading others astray.

Mufti Abu Layth. Faasiq. Innovator. Misguided. Khabeeth.

Mohammad Hijab is an Ikhwaani.

None of them call to orthodox Islamic teachings so who cares what they say.

The Prophet salAllahu alaiyhi wasallam prophesized that there will be callers to the gates of the Hellfire at the end of time.

Moroever, NONE of these individuals are scholars.

The scholars who are alive today are the likes of Shaykh al-Fawzaan, Shaykh Muhsin al-Abbad, Shaykh Ubayd al-Jabiree, Shaykh Rabee, Shaykh Saleh aali Shaykh and others and those before them such as Shaykh al-Albani, Shaykh ibn Baz, Shaykh al-Uthaymeen, Shaykh Muqbil.

Students in the west who call to orthodox Islamic teachings (not watered down nonsense) include Abu Hakeem Bilal Davis, Hasan as-Somali, Abu Khadeejah, Abu Iyaad Amjad Rafiq, Taqweem Aslam, Brother Shamsi and others.

True Islam is based on Qur'aan and Sunnah with the understanding of the COMPANIONS not the understanding of Bob, Bill and Barry. Every Muslim says they follow Qur'aan and Sunnah but upon whos understanding?

This is why when the Prophet salAllahu alaiyhi wasallam was asked about the saved sect he said "those who are upon what I am upon today and my COMPANIONS".

Are Yasir Qadhi, Abu Layth and Hamza Yusuf on the way of the companions? No. Hence their opinion is worthless.

Celebrity youtube shaykhs that are popular tend to be callers to misguidance who mix truth with falsehood.

David Wood is ignorant. A poor researcher. Retard. Intellectually bankrupt.

His arguments are very weak and only someone who is ignorant of Islaam would fall for his deception. For example, he will quote stories from history books that no Muslim considers to be authentic. He will find the most obscure book and quote it as evidence. Its basically like me quoting the gospel of Barnabas to prove Christianity wrong. Anyone who cites Wood as a reference point is only showing their lack of knowledge. If you want to have a healthy discussion fine but do it based upon reliable information not by parroting some Islamophobic moron who is a terrible researcher.
 
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Extremist Islam is nothing more than a political ideology perpetrated by the p***phile prophet Mo to wreck havoc in the lives of all those who do not conform to its aggressive, misogynistic and no doubt .expansionist teachings.
Its a bloody desert cult. Islamic Terrirists are nothing but the modern day agents of this barbaric, fear mongering ideology.
For all of Christianity’s shortcomings at least it acknowledges human free will. Islam completely denigrates and derides this ideal.
Besides animal fecal matter particularly cow dung is not worshipped but used in Ayurvedic concoctions .
Even modern medicine makes use of fecal matter.

You are ludicrously narrow minded and so dogmatic in your thinking. I hop one day you break free from the shackles of organized religion

I would much prefer the cherubic blue- skinned boy and his divine cow over a bedraggled guy who was deemed the Son of God by a bloodthirsty Roman king for his political convenience.

Height of ignorance …. But what more can I expect from an indoctrinated moron Like yourself..
Gandhi ji championed the rights of SC \ ST. He refereed to them as the Children of God or Harijan.
DEFINE p***philia. Islam condemns p***philia. p***philia is to have sexual relations with PREBUSCENT children.

Islaam defines adulthood by biological signs. Pubic hair in the case of boys and menses in the case of woman. Some woman reach puberty younger and others later. It differs from woman to woman. The Islamic definition of puberty is based on BIOLOGICAL signs that are QUANTIFIABLE not on an abstract, subjective number that humans decided upon.

Now, since you seem to be the expert about what constitutes p***philia then DEFINE it for me.

You may say p***philia is to have sexual relations with children. Great. DEFINE child. What age does a girl become an adult and where is your empirical data to substantiate such a claim? I will wait....

Some Muslims are intimidated by such questions but I am not because I know that your beliefs are based upon subjectivity while mine are OBJECTIVE. You will not be able to define child without resorting to the subjective opinions of human beings.
 

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Why do you think Hamas demands Palestinians learn Hebrew Tidal? Imagine if Russia invaded you tomorrow and B. Johnson demanded you learn Russian.

Sorry mate I don't follow. Why on earth would muslim Hamas demand Palestinians learn Hebrew? Why? What's the point?
 

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think about it, how can there be a father and a son, how was the son conceived ?

God said to Jeremiah "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" (Jeremiah 1:5)
so there's your answer, he fathers us all the same way..:)
 

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DEFINE p***philia. Islam condemns p***philia. p***philia is to have sexual relations with PREBUSCENT children.

Islaam defines adulthood by biological signs. Pubic hair in the case of boys and menses in the case of woman. Some woman reach puberty younger and others later. It differs from woman to woman. The Islamic definition of puberty is based on BIOLOGICAL signs that are QUANTIFIABLE not on an abstract, subjective number that humans decided upon
Let me get this right. Your book has indoctrinated you to believe that as long as a child has pubic hair or has started menstruating they are then "ready" for sexual intercourse with an adult?

Your book gives you consent to sexually violate a minor as a form of gratification for the adult as soon as their bodies resemble an adults?

Does your book not recognise the other areas of a child's development other than the physical stage? What about their mental capacity to even understand the act of sex?

So let me just ask you this. If you were found abusing a 7 year old girl and were in court on charges would your defence be "but she had pubes your honour!" then wave your book at him?

Hey have you read this? It looks like kiddies are getting ready for having sex with you in much larger numbers.


I work with kids who unfortunately started looking a bit too sexy to the adults that were supposed to be caring for them and believe me when I say this, the impact it has on their lives is absolutely devastating.

Think on before you touch that child eh? In some countries you would get lynched.
 
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Sorry mate I don't follow. Why on earth would muslim Hamas demand Palestinians learn Hebrew? Why? What's the point?
Because the Israelis started, funded and armed Hamas, to give them the false flag excuse to use Palestinians as target practice whenever they feel like it.

The same way they started, funded and armed ISIS (Israeli Secret Intelligence Service -- their equivalent of the U.S. NSA). Almost all terrorism today is state-sponsored, to maintain the military industrial complex and the growing police state as part of the planned one-world government political agenda.
 

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Let me get this right. Your book has indoctrinated you to believe that as long as a child has pubic hair or has started menstruating they are then "ready" for sexual intercourse with an adult?

Your book gives you consent to sexually violate a minor as a form of gratification for the adult as soon as their bodies resemble an adults?

Does your book not recognise the other areas of a child's development other than the physical stage? What about their mental capacity to even understand the act of sex?

So let me just ask you this. If you were found abusing a 7 year old girl and were in court on charges would your defence be "but she had pubes your honour!" then wave your book at him?

Hey have you read this? It looks like kiddies are getting ready for having sex with you in much larger numbers.


I work with kids who unfortunately started looking a bit too sexy to the adults that were supposed to be caring for them and believe me when I say this, the impact it has on their lives is absolutely devastating.

Think on before you touch that child eh? In some countries you would get lynched.
You did not answer the question. Instead you went on a tangent and repeated your premise again and again. The repetition of your opinion will not make it correct due to merely repeating it again and again.

Your post is full of emotive speech like "7 year old child" and "abuse" and other words that I never used. Did I say anything about abusing kids? Authu billah. (I seek refuge with God).

Woman should not be married if they lack mental maturity. That goes without saying.

The question is, how do you determine what age a woman is mentally mature?

I have asked you to DEFINE child.

I have clearly stated that a woman does not become a woman until she reaches the age of puberty. You are inferring that most woman reach their menses at a young age or something as if this is the norm and we both know that it is not.

I have capitalized define and put the word in extra big font to reemphasize my point. I will also provide a definition of "define" itself.

What does define mean?
1. to state or set forth the meaning of (a word, etc.). 2. to explain or identify the nature or essential qualities of; describe. 3. to specify: to define responsibilities. 4. to determine or fix the boundaries or extent of. 5. to make clear the outline or form of.

The purpose of defining something in a discussion is so it is made clear what the speaker intends when they use a specific word.

If we discuss whether guns should be banned and I include water pistols in my definition then yeah it probably won't be a very fruitful discussion.

Now back to the topic at hand.

Does child include 17 year old's or does it not? If a woman is 20 and not "mentally mature" then is she considered a child?

You said "Let me get this right. Your book has indoctrinated you to believe that as long as a child has pubic hair or has started menstruating they are then "ready" for sexual intercourse with an adult?"

Forced marriage is prohibited in Islaam. A woman must give consent.

You have used the word minor and child multiple times to attack me yet you are unable to define it.

For the gazillionth time what is your definition of child?

Its kind of stupid to use a word multiple times in a post while not defining it, don't you think? Especially when I have requested you to provide a definition of child yet you avoid the question like germaphobes avoid door handles.

There is another possibility.

You are avoiding the question because it will expose how your opinion is based upon subjective reasoning as opposed to objectivity.

Hence you resort to red herrings, circular reasoning, emotive speech and other logical fallacies.
 
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Because the Israelis started, funded and armed Hamas, to give them the false flag excuse to use Palestinians as target practice whenever they feel like it.

The same way they started, funded and armed ISIS (Israeli Secret Intelligence Service -- their equivalent of the U.S. NSA). Almost all terrorism today is state-sponsored, to maintain the military industrial complex and the growing police state as part of the planned one-world government political agenda.
Israel has been using Palestinians as target practice long before Hamas was born. So i have to ask....Why would Hamas, alleged 'zionist shills' , teach children Hebrew? If Hamas were working in cahoots with the zionists, the last thing they'd be doing is teaching their children Hebrew. Surely they, Hamas, would be trying to conceal Hebrew from the children?.
 

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Israel has been using Palestinians as target practice long before Hamas was born.
Of course. The counterfeit Jewish state of Israel wants ALL of the Palestinians to relocate or die, so they can have all of Palestine to themselves, and plan to continually expand their borders from there.

After decades of their brutal treatment of the Palestinians, counterfeit Israel was rapidly running out of excuses though to justify their behaviour, and thus needed a better excuse to continue killing innocent Palestinians. Palestinians who, unlike the "Israelis" are actually Semites, whereas over 95% of the Israelis/counterfeit Jews are, by their own admission, Ashkenazis descended from Japheth, NOT Shem/Sem.

So the counterfeit Jews created Hamas, controlling the opposition by leading it in Lenin-isk fashion, just as they've done countless times before and since, including the Bolshevik revolution, which they ran from inside Russia.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/them-which-say-they-are-jews-but-are-not.6663/


So i have to ask....Why would Hamas, alleged 'zionist shills' , teach children Hebrew? If Hamas were working in cahoots with the zionists, the last thing they'd be doing is teaching their children Hebrew. Surely they, Hamas, would be trying to conceal Hebrew from the children?.
If you teach the children Hebrew, it provides the perfect cover for Israeli operatives to move in and out of Hamas undetected. All under the guise of "learning the language of the enemy", which is how it's being packaged and sold to the Palestinians and the rest of the world.
 

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Jesus can be found in any slimline gospel like this one below for just a few pennies from bookshops or free from christian groups, and can be read in only a day or two, so if people think they have to read the entire bible to find him they ain't never gonna find him..:)
He was simple enough to understand-
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12:37)

And they knew they needed to stay focussed on him alone-
"Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" (Heb 12:2)

And Paul reminded them not to get sidetracked by the satanic clowns of organised religions who try to say Christianity is a big complicated thing-
"I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)
Because as Jesus said-
"You have one teacher, me" (Matt 23:10)

So simple a child understands but confounds the intellect of men.
 

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Manifestations of the same Paramatma. Several paths, one destination. It is this very pluralistic world view and willingness to see divinity in alll spiritual paths and beings that has lead Hindus to be accepting of other faiths that might divergent from its own philosophy.
However, this might very well be a quality that we need to let go of.Islamic fundamentalism has ripped apart my Bharath into 3.Even today Islamic extremists harbour gory visions of establishing Ghazwa - e - or the Islamic State of India..A millennia or so of Islamic tyranny have finally caused the masses to awaken.In the coming years India will lose its secular credentials and Hindu rashtra will be established.


And what may I ask is exactly your problem with polytheistic religions ?

In one of my earlier posts I tried conveying to you all that I think it is a futile attempt to relentlessly create this dichotomy between God and Satan…
In relentlessly trying to create this division, you resort to demonizing and othering everything that does not conform to your narrow dogmatic worldview , you fail to see divinity for you are perpetually designatung what to demonize and what not to.
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One poster very rudely referred to my Gods as freaks . You will never hear such an insult being hurled by me or the vast majority of Hindus , for that that mater. Your indoctrination has impeded your ability to see good in other beliefs that have been transformative for others, it has created within you an awful superiority complex ,which I believe, will have disastrous consequences for the continuation of your faith.


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You think it's a futile attempt, but we don't. We see the evil for what it is. What divinity other then the MOST HIGH GOD? talking satan? Not sure what your meaning.

Honestly not into the PC BS of the spirit of this age. So do your gods look like freaks? Well yeah they do remind me of genetic experiments that went wrong. So i can see what the other poster is getting at. GOD created man in HIS image. So if it don't look like us its suspect imo.
 

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You did not answer the question.
You never asked me a question, you asked it to somebody else. I commented on your statement that your particular indoctrination now gives you carte blanche to have sex with children.

Your post is full of emotive speech like "7 year old child" and "abuse" and other words that I never used
Oh so using the phrase 7 year old child is emotive but it's ok to have sex with them if they have started their menstrual cycle because in your own words that is when they become a woman. You did post that didn't you?

defines adulthood by biological signs. Pubic hair in the case of boys and menses in the case of woman
So if a 7 year old starts menstruating she then is deemed to be a woman? .....by a grown man?

Did I say anything about abusing kids
Well that depends on your definition of what a kid is, not mine.

The question is, how do you determine what age a woman is mentally mature?
Who are you to judge? Who judged your mental maturity? You ended one of your posts with a duh....in my country this is immature.

I have clearly stated that a woman does not become a woman until she reaches the age of puberty. You are inferring that most woman reach their menses at a young age or something as if this is the norm and we both know that it is not.
I wasn't inferring anything at all about "most" women. I was more concerned over those poor kids who just happened to hit precocious puberty who are then in your eyes an adult.

I ain't defining anything for you. Your too indoctrinated to see common sense on this issue.
 

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Some Muslims are intimidated by such questions..
Wouldn't say I"m intimidated, I generally don't mess with it. If you looked back only 100 years you'd find Americans and Europeans marrying children. 10, 11, 12 years of age. Its a fact many European woman became widows before the age of 20 due to marrying extremely old men.

However people won't research this because it does not support their argument, it only reveals them to be hypocrites.

Society has made this a taboo subject, just like polygamy, being anti LGBT, ect. Funny, what God has allowed is hated while what He has forbidden is attacked.

You can't really mention "child marriage" today but if God had intended boys and girls to wait for 18, whats the point of puberty? As i said, you can't broach these topics today.

It is worth pointing out modern society is not like yesterdays. You got "kids" living with their parents until there 30 spending their days playing video games. When does one become an adult? This is pretty much impossible to answer in todays day and age.

Lets see how many people this one triggers.
 
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Wouldn't say I"m intimidated, I generally don't mess with it. If you looked back only 100 years you'd find Americans and Europeans marrying children. 10, 11, 12 years of age. Its a fact many European woman became widows before the age of 20 due to marrying extremely old men.

However people won't research this because it does not support their argument, it only reveals them to be hypocrites.

Society has made this a taboo subject, just like polygamy, being anti LGBT, ect. Funny, what God has allowed is hated while what He has forbidden is attacked.

You can't really mention "child marriage" today but if God had intended boys and girls to wait for 18, whats the point of puberty? As i said, you can't broach these topics today.

It is worth pointing out modern society is not like yesterdays. You got "kids" living with their parents until there 30 spending their days playing video games. When does one become an adult? This is pretty much impossible to answer in todays day and age.

Lets see how many people this one triggers.
It should also be mentioned that in earlier times, people didn't live as long due to sanitation, childbirth complications' and stillbirths, illnesses, living conditions, etc. Even during the colonial period, get married by age of 17/18 was considered average. To live to be in your mid/late 40s was an achievement.
 

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I have asked you to DEFINE child.
this is the exact same rhetoric used by pedophiles That I have interacted with
Get out of the corner that you are holed up in . Interact with a 13. Year old and a 20 year old and see the difference for yourself . But given your record for Justifying p***philia and your repeated insistence on defining the word child I think its much better that you don't

Forced marriage is prohibited in Islaam. A woman must give consent.
How can someone who does not understand what sexual intercourse, marriage and its
Its implications are possibly give consent to anything?
 
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this is the exact same rhetoric used by pedophiles That I have interacted with
Get out of the corner that you are holed up in . Interact with a 13. Year old and a 20 year old and see the difference for yourself . But given your record for Justifying p***philia and your repeated insistence on defining the word child I think its much better that you don't


How can someone who does not understand what sexual intercourse, marriage and its
Its implications are possibly give consent to anything?
I love to see trinitarians agreeing with Hindu's @AmazingGrace . Indeed, the devil only has one enemy.

We all know Islam does not support p***philia. But when you're own religions are so massively broken, you'll grab at any straw to pull yourselves up. Whether it be worshiping statues or prophets, there's really not much difference.

So Grace, tell us all about 80 year old Joseph and 8 year old Mary. Inquiring minds want to know.
 
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