Do all religions lead us to God?

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AmazingGrace joined on Jan 24, 2021

2+4 = 6.

Let us examine 2021. 2+2+1=5 and if you add 1 from January which is the 1st month of the year then you also get 6.

What aren't you telling us Amazing Grace?

Do people really take this numerology nonsense seriously?

Amazing also rhymes with blazing and grace with face which makes "blazing face".

SMH. What a joke.
As you have shown numbers can push nearly any narrative. Add, subtract, whatever.

Its absolutely crazy how many "followers of Jesus" use numerology. Which is a form of sehr (magic) djinn love to use. I assume you have knowledge of magicians amulets and how they are usually found to be full of numbers when destroyed.


If this guy is lying... then he did a great work.

I watched a few seconds. Siting 6666 verses in the Quran is clearly meant to trigger Christians.

The Quran makes it clear that Jesus is the creation.

"And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. "
(5:116 Quran)


You should be more then well aware of this if you claim your wife to be Muslim.
 

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Check this guy connecting everything with numbers... Zion, New world order, masons, sun worship, pyramids, eye of horus... and basically all the stuff we are living today.
This an old blog re-post, just scroll down and think... maybe it's not coincidence or maybe it is.

Numerology is an occultic science. In plain English it is a form of magic used by demons. Yes, many events are scripted using gematria but what can they do that God doesn't allow?

This is a deception. Why do you want anything to do with it?

I suggest you avoid it completely.
 

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Daze there are many people saying the guy is a liar... don't be mad I just found the history interesting maybe he found his way like this maybe he is lying. Don't be mad.
Some people say Jesus are the devil himself others say Allah is the moon and is evil.
Don't take it too seriously, I didn't wanted to hurt your feelings.
My wife is beautiful ahaha I love her. Thank you Allah ❤
He's not lying. Rick Clay is one of the original truthers. Back when The Solomon Temple series and The Arrivals were making the rounds he was putting out truth.

Rick Clay did not commit suicide, he was murdered because he spoke too much truth.

I am not stressed, angry or mad. I am merely trying to point out that numerology and all of its forms are tools of the devil. Yes you can find truth if you use it as luciferians script their events with it. However magic must be avoided in all of its forms as no good can come from it. The Almighty makes this clear in the Quran.

And they followed [instead] what the devils had recited during the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but the devils disbelieved, teaching people magic and that which was revealed to the two angels at Babylon, Hārūt and Mārūt. But they [i.e., the two angels] do not teach anyone unless they say, "
We are a trial, so do not disbelieve [by practicing magic]." And [yet] they learn from them that by which they cause separation between a man and his wife. But they do not harm anyone through it except by permission of Allah. And they [i.e., people] learn what harms them and does not benefit them. But they [i.e., the Children of Israel] certainly knew that whoever purchased it [i.e., magic] would not have in the Hereafter any share. And wretched is that for which they sold themselves, if they only knew. (2:102 Quran)

Avoid magic, in all of its forms, at all costs.
 

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As you have shown numbers can push nearly any narrative. Add, subtract, whatever.

Its absolutely crazy how many "followers of Jesus" use numerology. Which is a form of sehr (magic) djinn love to use. I assume you have knowledge of magicians amulets and how they are usually found to be full of numbers when destroyed.




I watched a few seconds. Siting 6666 verses in the Quran is clearly meant to trigger Christians.

The Quran makes it clear that Jesus is the creation.

"And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. "
(5:116 Quran)


You should be more then well aware of this if you claim your wife to be Muslim.
The qabbalistic writings of magician Allestar Crowley are full of numerology. Such books should be burnt.
 

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Check this guy connecting everything with numbers... Zion, New world order, masons, sun worship, pyramids, eye of horus... and basically all the stuff we are living today.
This an old blog re-post, just scroll down and think... maybe it's not coincidence or maybe it is.

Its rubbish. Yes sometimes occultists use numbers. Obviously, but carrying on like a cryptoanalyst and over thinking stuff is just overkill and a waste of time. You can use numerology to prove anything. "Billy T always replies 6 minutes later. Why is this?" What does the "t" stand for? Triggerman? Billy is a trained sniper and works for the Wu Chang crime syndicate in Hong Kong. Billy refers to Billy the Kid because he is a fugitive and posting with a fake isp address".

They are acting like Simon from that Mercury Rising movie. Calm down. Take it easy. One thing I always try to reiterate is the conspiracy is clear and in front of our eyes. H.G Wells called one of his books the Open Conspiracy for a reason.
 
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This is also why I am suspicious of that Mark Passio guy. He used to be a member of the church of satan and now he is promoted by many in the so called truth movement. He has a lot of new agey concepts in his talks and numerology stuff. Very shady character indeed. He seems to promote the "do as thou will" concept which Allestar Crowley popularized except he hides it under certain philosphical laws that he adheres too. His website is flowing to the brim with occultic symbolism. Max Igan is on his website and he also promotes new age stuff. Igan claims lucifer may in fact be the light bearer!
 

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Very nice to know Daze
While i might start to contradict myself Billy is correct as well. While i say there is truth to be found in gematria as Billy points out at the same time its largely rubbish as well.

If i had to use an analogy its like me, an evil dude, using a cake recipe to make a cake. Along comes a truther and attempts to find the cakes recipe by analyzing the cake..

Weird but this is what people basically try to do with gematria, they attempt to predict events that kabbalists have scripted using numerology.

Using "their" code to reach a conclusion. However this method leaves massive room for error. Such as Billy showing Graces join date is representative of 666.

Jan 23, 2021

The date includes three 2's. ... 2+2+2 = 6
The day includes 2 and 3, thus 2x3 = 6
Jan 23,2021 has six digits. ... thus 6

We have deduced that Grace = 666


With this we can clearly see that Grace has picked a satanic date to join us.

Like i said, lots of room for error as numbers can point to nearly anything.
 
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This is also why I am suspicious of that Mark Passio guy. He used to be a member of the church of satan and now he is promoted by many in the so called truth movement. He has a lot of new agey concepts in his talks and numerology stuff. Very shady character indeed. He seems to promote the "do as thou will" concept which Allestar Crowley popularized except he hides it under certain philosphical laws that he adheres too. His website is flowing to the brim with occultic symbolism. Max Igan is on his website and he also promotes new age stuff. Igan claims lucifer may in fact be the light bearer!
I dropped Igan when he claimed the earth was flat. Doesn't matter if he recanted it almost immediately. I'm not surprised if he's pushing new age agendas now.
 

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I suggest you learn about Islam from non-Islamic hate sites. Fact is the Quran has not been edited one iota because God himself protects it.

Indeed, it is We who sent down the message [i.e., the Qur’ān], and indeed, We will be its guardian. (15:9 Quran)

Many have tried to change the Quran, every single one has failed. For a modern example take a look at China today. They literally intend to change the Quran. Do you think they will be able to change a single word?

Follow this story and see how it goes because China has gone on the record with this.


Consider this fact Grace. We can take every Bible, every Torah, Every Quran, every single holy book on the planet and throw them all into the sea while only the Quran can be restored perfectly.

How is this possible? Because millions around the world have memorized it word for word. It is preserved in a way that only God can erase.

Put it to the test, Learn a verse, any verse in the Quran. something simple. Like "Qul huwa Allahu ahad". Which means God is one. Now go around a Muslim child in a practicing family and say "Qul abuwa Allahu ahad" and you will hear this child correct you.
Go on, try it.
hmm, looks like even Muslim scholars don't agree with you. And with each other. And with their younger selves.
 

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hmm, looks like even Muslim scholars don't agree with you. And with each other. And with their younger selves.
Hey isn't that hammer time?

Do you know why they call him that? Because he tried to kill his own father with a hammer.

That guy is a psyco straight up.
 

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Hey isn't that hammer time?

Do you know why they call him that? Because he tried to kill his own father with a hammer.

That guy is a psyco straight up.
So the only thing you have to say about this is to denigrate the man who put this video together? David doesn't even appear in this video, Muslim scholars are doing all the talking. Are you avoiding the topic and shifting focus on something else? Such and old tactic.

I know David. His testimony, including the hammer story, starts to automatically play when you visit landing page of his YT channel. Can Allah save psychos or are they doomed forever? My God can save and change even psychopaths. He almost killed one man, but helped to save thousands.

But back to the main topic: Muslim scholars admit Quran is not perfectly preserved and has several versions.
 
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Hey isn't that hammer time?

Do you know why they call him that? Because he tried to kill his own father with a hammer.

That guy is a psyco straight up.
Saul of Tarsus was responsible for the deaths of many Christians prior to encountering Jesus on road to Damascus. It made sense to him as a religious Pharisee. David Wood did attack his father with a hammer - it made perfect sense to him within his atheistic world view at the time.

He talks about that and a lot more in his testimony:-

 

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@AmazingGrace stop wasting the brother's time.
We have had this same discussion with trinitarians on these same boards too many times.
That you would use a cut and pasted david stupid video just shows us your lack of objectivity.
Also throwing mud at the Quran will not make your book of many authors shine brighter.
It is a recitation that has been memorized from the time of the Prophet peace be upon him.
Second, the differences are at the level of words and pronunciations. Recitations in various regions, had minor substitutions of words but similar in meaning. It is nothing akin to the bible with entire fabrication of accounts and stories.
Here is some free advice focus on your own religiosity. May the Creator guide you to the truth. Ameen.
He did attack his father with a hammer - it made perfect sense to him within his atheistic world view at the time.
So it makes perfect sense that an atheist would take a hammer to his own dad does it?
Or is it that only a mentally sick person of any faith or non faith would do such a thing?
I would not take anything from such a person even if they converted to my religion because they have issues.
You guys are something else to say the least.
 
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That you would use a cut and pasted david stupid video just shows us your lack of objectivity.
Although David Wood exposes the ridiculousness of the Islamic sources, he is not much different from Muslims in that he takes the information for granted, and hardly if ever approaches the genuineness of the evidence from a historical-critical and archeological point of view. Such an undertaking would lead one to the inevitable conclusion that Islam is a Judaizing, proto-Zionist offshoot of a Messianic sect, and based on a hodgepodge of Talmudic, Monophysite, Zoroastrian and pagan teachings. The theme of the Qur'an as regards Christianity seems to be consistent with that of a polemical document against John Philoponus' heresy of Tritheism which started among the Monophysites in the 6th c. Levant, and Islamic arguments clearly follow this line of thought as the Trinity is constantly misrepresented as being Tritheistic or Sabellian.
 

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he is not much different from Muslims in that he takes the information for granted, and hardly if ever approaches the genuineness of the evidence from a historical-critical and archeological point of view.
Such a biased lie or are phobes not aware we have scholars and comparative thinkers and entire institutes of learning that discuss these aspects?
Such an undertaking would lead one to the inevitable conclusion that Islam is a Judaizing, proto-Zionist offshoot of a Messianic sect, and based on a hodgepodge of Talmudic, Monophysite, Zoroastrian and pagan teachings.
Judaic and proto Zionist? Judaic? We believe Jesus is a prophet last I checked they do not. Proto Zionist? Are you saying we believe in a homeland for the secular nationalists who happen to be born Jewish? With such thinking one would think you are asleep.
Talmudic what do we have to do with the Talmud.......nothing!! Incredible, you are just a phobe trying to throw mud while lying through your teeth.
Pagan?
Why not tell the truth about how the teachings of Jesus peace be upon him changed and incorporated pagan ideology to the point that an entire sect of Protestantism came about to reform it and still they could not make the faith for the Creator alone, or the worship for the Creator alone.

and Islamic arguments clearly follow this line of thought as the Trinity is constantly misrepresented as being Tritheistic or Sabellian.
No amount of mental or verbal gymnastics will redeem the trinity and I gladly say that if you want to continue on that path you do so at your own peril because the Creator will not forgive the sin of association in belief and worship. You can not go through Jesus to God you are supposed to go directly to God, and thus we convey in simple terms the religion of truth that all may understand and comprehend whether they are learned or not.All your worship, all your supplications for help and forgiveness are easily attained by asking the Creator directly.

For those who are new to ISLAM.
Tawheed is the central tenet of Islam
“Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever- Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence.
Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep.
To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth.
Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission?
He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills.
is Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not.
And He is the Most High, the Most Great.”
2:255
 

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@AmazingGrace stop wasting the brother's time.
We have had this same discussion with trinitarians on these same boards too many times.
That you would use a cut and pasted david stupid video just shows us your lack of objectivity.
Also throwing mud at the Quran will not make your book of many authors shine brighter.
It is a recitation that has been memorized from the time of the Prophet peace be upon him.
Second, the differences are at the level of words and pronunciations. Recitations in various regions, had minor substitutions of words but similar in meaning. It is nothing akin to the bible with entire fabrication of accounts and stories.
Here is some free advice focus on your own religiosity. May the Creator guide you to the truth. Ameen.
So you basically admit, that Quran is not 100% preserved. As you say, there are differences in words and pronunciations.

So it makes perfect sense that an atheist would take a hammer to his own dad does it?
Or is it that only a mentally sick person of any faith or non faith would do such a thing?
I would not take anything from such a person even if they converted to my religion because they have issues.
You guys are something else to say the least.
Again attacking David for who he was, not paying attention to the fact he changed and no longer see normal to kill people. He got married, has children and lives normal life.
Let me ask again, can Allah heal a mentally sick?
It's interesting, that you have problem with person who admits his past errors and who was changed by God, but see no problem in following a man who married 6 year old and consumed the marriage when she was 9yo, said it's okey to beat wife into submission (probably even with hammer), and as a warlord killed thousands of people who disagreed with his religious views. What a double standard.
 

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@DesertRose

In the recent series “The Chosen” the director casts Matthew as having Aspergers Syndrome (and therefore on the autism spectrum). As a father of an autistic child, the director noticed that the Gospel of Matthew contains a few “tells” that indicate Matthew’s thought process was not perhaps the norm. He records extra incidental details that are not really significant to the narrative…


And yet, the details that were recorded help establish the historicity of the Gospels!


David Wood admits he is on the psychopathy spectrum. Delving into what that means is interesting…

“While the term is often employed in common usage along with "crazy", "insane", and "mentally ill", there is a categorical difference between psychosis and psychopathy.[13]


I was interested by another definition that also appeared:-

In the DSM-5, under "Alternative DSM-5Model for Personality Disorders", ASPD with psychopathic features is described as characterized by "a lack of anxiety or fear and by a bold interpersonal style that may mask maladaptive behaviors…

What that indicates to me is that a neurological psychopath lacks the normal fear of man that would be natural to most of us, and someone who is without filter.

David is not a diplomat, he just goes after things he disagrees with without concern for his own safety or approval. As such, while he cared nothing for God or man, he did what he felt like with no regard for morality. When he became a Christian, he accepted that the Bible was true and tries to live his life in accordance with it. Sometimes, like all of us, he no doubt fails.

All that being said, like with anyone else, his lack of concern for the feelings of those he might offend by attacking Islamic belief must be separated from the validity of the arguments he presents.

I.e. he might not play nicely, but is what he says true or false. I suggest the best discussions on his material focus on the latter and waste time grumbling about the former.
 

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So the only thing you have to say about this is to denigrate the man who put this video together?
I won't even watch it because your source is a literal joke. David wood has been refuted and utterly destroyed so many times he LITERALLY ends up eating the Quran on camera. Go look for that video if you want to see a pathetic man.

I won't even entertain anything coming from him.

The guy is a clear Islam hater followed by many just like him. Look at his patreon. This guy makes $7,000 a month every month and the Only content he ever puts out is to attack islam.

When you source a hate preacher you discredit yourself.
 

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So you basically admit, that Quran is not 100% preserved. As you say, there are differences in words and pronunciations.
Pronunciations and synonyms do not change things radically what changes things radically is when you have differing accounts and fabricated additions. Do you comprehend?
It's interesting, that you have problem with person who admits his past errors and who was changed by God, but see no problem in following a man who married 6 year old and consumed the marriage when she was 9yo, said it's okey to beat wife into submission (probably even with hammer), and as a warlord killed thousands of people who disagreed with his religious views. What a double standard.
Perhaps you should read accounts of his life from non Muslims that are not Islamophobes. You are obviously very biased and misguided.
By the way The Quran discusses the fact that people should attain spouses when they reach marriageable age which means puberty.
"Test orphans until they reach marriageable age then if you find they have sound judgement hand over......" Holy Quran 4:6
The custom at the time was to give the hand in marriage at a young age or pledge marriage at young age but the consummation would not occur until puberty.
Also kindly look at the normal ages of marriage for people even in the US/Europe just a mere 200 years ago.
"In 1880, 37 states had an age of consent of 10 years, 10 states had an age of consent at 12 years, and Delaware had an age of consent of 7 years"
 

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I won't even watch it because your source is a literal joke. David wood has been refuted and utterly destroyed so many times he LITERALLY ends up eating the Quran on camera. Go look for that video if you want to see a pathetic man.

I won't even entertain anything coming from him.

The guy is a clear Islam hater followed by many just like him. Look at his patreon. This guy makes $7,000 a month every month and the Only content he ever puts out is to attack islam.

When you source a hate preacher you discredit yourself.
Richard Dawkins is a self-important, arrogant, condescending man with an vacuum where a meaningful philosophy of life might live.

Despite his many faults, it is for none of them that I reject the atheism he promotes, but for the fact I disagree with his reasoning.

I could refuse to engage with the ideas of an atheist who cited Dawkins as a source, but in doing so I would be committing the genetic fallacy.

2+2 remains 4, whoever is saying it.
 
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