Prophecy from the "other side" ~ The Age of Aquarius

[AspiringSoul]

And who might that be @AspiringSoul ?

p.s. I did a quick search and didn’t find any descriptions of anything I worshipped. As far as I can tell it will be a one-world religion that the apostate Catholic Church will metastasise into during the Tribulation (but it’s just a guess).

What is the whore of Babylon / mystery Babylon? | GotQuestions.org

What is the whore of Babylon / mystery Babylon? Does the Roman Catholic Church have any connection with the end times antichrist and false prophet?

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The whore of babylon is the jewish elite who've built israel.
no, it isnt the catholic church or a spinoff version or a 'world religion'

the purple/red and gold colours are liturgic colours that are worn even by protestants. Their origin is in the Torah itself, they were the priestly/rabbinic colours. So don't just look at an image of some catholic priests in those coloursa nd be like 'yup dat mystery babylon'.


in jeremiah 2 & 3, it is the jewish nation who is called the whore.

3 “If a man divorces his wife

and she leaves him and marries another man,
should he return to her again?

Would not the land be completely defiled?

But you have lived as a prostitute with many lovers—
would you now return to me?”
declares the Lord.
2 “Look up to the barren heights and see.
Is there any place where you have not been ravished?


Zecheriah 5 connects the whore, the wicked woman, the jewish nation, to Babylon and exile. The woman in the basket taken to babylon.
hence 'the whore of babylon'.
what they learnt in babylon was usury and occultism.

The curse in Zech 5, the theif and the one who swears falsely is a hint at the money lending usury business.
The same curse contains symbolic language of stones/wood which are also prevalent in Jeremiah 2 and 3.
likewise in the condemnation of babylon, Habakkuk 2 also contains the same theme of wood/stones.

wood/stones represent idolatory but in the new context, the idolatory of money.
hence Jesus himself spoke of MAMMON and his attack against the priest system of his time was about their worship of Money.



The image is the whore sitting on the beast, taking it to it's destination and then the beast devouring/destroying the whore.

In daniel 2, the legs of iron= rome. The feet of iron/clay become the end times re-appearance of rome. the same system re-emerged.
now look at the rise of colonial powers, they were roman colonies. Britain, france, holland, belgium, spain, portugal.
THAT is the end times beast, collectively.

The feet of iron/clay.
yet even the age of colonialism is beautifully foretold in Revelation 6's white horse prophecy.

pay attention because the next horse, the red horse, symbolises death, right? the consequence of colonialism was?
MASS MURDER on earth...the 2 wars, the bolshevik revolution, the holocoast etc. the jewish hand was involved in all of that.
furthermore ww1 = league of nations, ww2 = united nations.
this is on going until we have a global government.
look at the UN flag, it is similar to the roman flag, the same wreath.
these are clues.

however it is the whore (the jewish nation) sitting on the beast. yet again this is foretold in Revelation 6 in the third horse prophecy.
the scales = capitalism vs communism and then it says 'but do not harm the oil and wine'.
right after ww2 we get the creation of israel. oil and wine are symbols of judaism and the BEAST is protecting the whore.
the whore rides/sits on the beast...but she doesnt have true power, since we're told the beast will eventually destroy her.

so the powers that be ie rome, the colonial powers and america, have allowed the whore to practice usury, fund global expansion, establish a multicultural/globalist system and create israel.
it's a con job, a decoy. cause war in the middle east and then con everyone into following a new religion and messiah.
yet the messiah is in zecheriah 12, the worthless shepherd who will betray his own people.

that is when beast devours the whore and the real muslim vs jew war happens.


through the revelation prophecies we are told that all the wealth is in her people. that the worlds richest men were hers. this is true for the jewish nation.
the worlds leaders follow her.

it says 'the world was drunk on the wine of her adulteries'
who controls music, entertainment, porn?

MOST IMPORTANTLY
it says
the blood of the prophets and saints was in her...

this is exactly what Jesus said about Jerusalem

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those who are sent to you!

notice Jesus was killed on a wooden cross? STONES AND WOOD again.

he was betrayed for money. the priests hated him because he saw them practicing usury in the temple.

Cleansing of the Temple - Wikipedia

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money, usury etc.
who controls wall street? the imf and world bank? the federal reserve, the bank of england etc?


so you know full well the jews control the money, the politicians, have even the gulf kings worshipping them, control the entertainment industries, shove porn down all you white gentile christians throats, literally killed the prophets and saints (which Jesus said they would)


By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.
24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,

of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”


the biggest massacre of all time, the bolshevik revolution, the fake 'athiest' jewish conspiracy.

 

[AspiringSoul]

in Revelation 2 and 3
the holy spirit addressed the 7 churches...
but not once were any of the churches referred to as a woman, a whore etc.

When Jesus spoke of building his church on the rock that is PETER, he doesnt speak of a 'woman' at all.

20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

so there's no reason why the vatican should be suddenly referred to as a whore, a woman etc.
the only women/whores in the babylon are Israel and Judea...it is symbolic hebrew language..

of course going back to the Jesus quote, pay attention


Matthew 23
29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c]”




so ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD is on their hands?


what HOUSE?


Zecheriah 5
I looked again, and there before me was a flying scroll.
2 He asked me, “What do you see?”
I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.[a]”
3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished.
4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’”


10 “Where are they taking the basket?” I asked the angel who was speaking to me.
11 He replied, “To the country of Babylonia to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.”



lol at 'it's the vatican'
keep worshipping the whore.

 

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lol at 'it's the vatican'

It's conducive to the Judaic/Zionist agenda to oppose the Catholic Church because in the Talmud, Esau/Edom represents Rome. That is not to say that the Catholic Church is not complicit in this agenda, especially since Vatican II when they absolved the Jews (or rather, the Jewish infiltrators absolved themselves) of their sins.

Vermes befriended and worked with Paul Demann, a scholar, like him, of Hungarian Jewish origins. Together with a third collaborator, Renee Bloch, they battled doggedly against the anti-Semitic content in Catholic education and ritual of the time. The Second Vatican Council would later accept many of the trio's theological arguments.

At the Second Vatican Council, as a representative of American Jews, Heschel persuaded the Catholic Church to eliminate or modify passages in its liturgy which demeaned the Jews, or referred to an expected conversion of the Jews to Christianity.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

in Revelation 2 and 3
the holy spirit addressed the 7 churches...
but not once were any of the churches referred to as a woman, a whore etc.

When Jesus spoke of building his church on the rock that is PETER, he doesnt speak of a 'woman' at all.

20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

so there's no reason why the vatican should be suddenly referred to as a whore, a woman etc.
the only women/whores in the babylon are Israel and Judea...it is symbolic hebrew language..

of course going back to the Jesus quote, pay attention


Matthew 23
29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c]”




so ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD is on their hands?


what HOUSE?


Zecheriah 5
I looked again, and there before me was a flying scroll.
2 He asked me, “What do you see?”
I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.[a]”
3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished.
4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’”


10 “Where are they taking the basket?” I asked the angel who was speaking to me.
11 He replied, “To the country of Babylonia to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.”



lol at 'it's the vatican'
keep worshipping the whore.

Interesting thoughts (I was slightly busting you as I know you think that it’s Israel)

What I was wondering then, given your perspective is how you harmonise key OT passages that indicate a physical regathering of the Jews prior to a time of coming judgement. There are many, but Jeremiah 16 is as clear as any...

(wider context quoted)

9 For thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.​

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10 And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the Lordpronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin that we have committed against the Lord our God?​

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11 Then shalt thou say unto them, Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the Lord, and have walked after other gods, and have served them, and have worshipped them, and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law;​

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12 And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me:​

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13 Therefore will I cast you out of this land into a land that ye know not, neither ye nor your fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour.​

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14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lordliveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;​

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15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.​

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16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.​

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17 For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.​

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18 And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.​

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19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, [the Tribulation?] the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.​

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20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?​

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21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The Lord.”​

I believe it is possible to take the view that God has preserved the Jews out of the covenant He made with Abraham, yet simultaneously believe He has and will judge them for their wrongdoing and unbelief. The Tribulation period shows many Jews being seduced by the AC and many others accepting him and ultimately coming to faith in Jesus as their Messiah.

I don’t believe that such a position constitutes “worship of Israel”.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Interesting thoughts (I was slightly busting you as I know you think that it’s Israel)

What I was wondering then, given your perspective is how you harmonise key OT passages that indicate a physical regathering of the Jews prior to a time of coming judgement. There are many, but Jeremiah 16 is as clear as any...

(wider context quoted)

9 For thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.​

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10 And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the Lordpronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin that we have committed against the Lord our God?​

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11 Then shalt thou say unto them, Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the Lord, and have walked after other gods, and have served them, and have worshipped them, and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law;​

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12 And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me:​

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13 Therefore will I cast you out of this land into a land that ye know not, neither ye nor your fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour.​

​

14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lordliveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;​

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15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.​

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16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.​

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17 For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.​

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18 And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.​

​

19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, [the Tribulation?] the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.​

​

20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?​

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21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The Lord.”​

I believe it is possible to take the view that God has preserved the Jews out of the covenant He made with Abraham, yet simultaneously believe He has and will judge them for their wrongdoing and unbelief. The Tribulation period shows many Jews being seduced by the AC and many others rejecting him and ultimately coming to faith in Jesus as their Messiah.

I don’t believe that such a position constitutes “worship of Israel”.

The verses you've quoted are talking of the israelites, as in the 10 lost tribes.
Similarly there is a confusion because some texts who speak of the gathering of the JEWS. However those particular ones were referring to the return from Babylon.

Zechariah 13 was a prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem after the jews rejected Jesus. It said 2/3 would be 'cut off or perish'. So all the JEWS who left Jerusalem at that time, were part of this camp, 'cut off'.

Bible Gateway passage: Zechariah 13 - New International Version

Cleansing From Sin - “On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity. “On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more,” declares the LORD Almighty. “I will...

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In the whole land,” declares the Lord,

“two-thirds will be struck down and perish; (<< badly translated, the correct one is that they will either be cut off ie leave, or they will perish).

yet one-third will be left in it.
9 This third I will put into the fire;
I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’
and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”


This 1/3 who survived and were righteous, were actually the ones who became christian, i guess you forgot about these guys? where did they go? they remained there and their decendants are palestinians today. Not to assume all palestinians are 'jews' by blood, not true, but there are prob a significant number of palestinians who have legit jewish blood in them from the original survivors of 70AD.
The remnant of JUDEA must come from this camp as per Zech 13.

I don't believe in a special return of JEWS, only the 10 lost tribes of israel.
as i said the only verses referring to a return of the judean people was in reference to thie return from babylon.

So then what becomes of the current jewish nation and their position? as i have said, they belong to the whore of babylon camp and have come from a tradition of USURERS as per the Babylon theme in Zechariah 5 which links to Habakkuk 2 and Jeremiah 2 & 3.

Forget all your religious sentiment and just think this one through.
modern israel is funded by usurers in the form of the rothschilds, founded by that house. THIS itself is a direct link to Zechariah 5's wicked woman. You cannot just ignore the fact the rothschild's are satanic to the core and are very open about that.
Yet Jesus's biggest issue with the pharisees was the blood on their hands. The bolshevik revolution which was controlled by jewish 'athiests' resulted in the biggest massacre of all time, the death of an estimated 20 to even 100m christians.
You can't deny that the eastern orthodox church is also christian right? or would you want to take that away from them? What Jesus said about them killing prophets and saints and 'all on the earth', i mean, 20-100m christians butchered so they could loot the church and russian and then where did that money go? it went to the oligarchs who were jewish and they escaped to israel case in point roman abramovic.

So when you have this special love affair with this camp, it is the love affair for the whore, the wicked with the house established in babylon.
This is no exaggeration.

What is the aftermath for this camp? Revelation 17/18, the fall of the whore of babylon and that too by the antichrist they have chosen.

The tribulation you are referring to, that is the one in Ezekiel 38/39..

compare and contrast that version with the imposter version

In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

(desolate after the fall of mystery babylon and the death of the antichrist).

11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.


you've personally witnessed a state that is the total opposite of this and then said 'but the tribulation doe'
said tribulation is not coming on them.

I should also point out that you have confused Matthew 24's prophecy completely and cant differentiate between 70AD and the Gog & Magog invasion. you are imagining a non-jewish antichrist (makes no sense, the christ is the messiah is a jew and as per zechariah 11 the worthless one-eyed shepherd is a jew from the land).

so let me go back to Matthew 24 and explain the clear difference

Jesus spoke of 2 different events
the immediate destruction of Jerusalem (fulfilled in 70AD).
and the second coming.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 24 - New International Version

The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times - Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will...

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Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked.

“Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


^^
here Jesus was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled in 70AD.

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

so they asked him about 2 different events.

When Jesus spoke of the ABOMINATION from Daniel, that is not some antichrist, that was Titus from 70 week prophecy in Daniel 9.

26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”

fulfilled in 70Ad.
you have the completely wrong interpretation and seem to think all of this is 'going to happen' when it already has.


the problem is that Jesus jumped this 70AD right to the second coming..and that makes no sense to you.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days (<< he was on about 70AD)
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory

This fits in line with Daniel 7 where it foretold the 10 horns, the 10 emperors of Rome who ruled over the jewish temple era...and the little horn who was Titus (daniel 7 also foretold the year of 4 emperors).
YET from that, it directly went to the second coming of Jesus



11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.
12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

13 “I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,


the above is not a prophecy about end times rome and the antichrist, but Titus.

The big hint here is that this entire missing gap is where the book of Revelation fits in and also the 'spirit of truth' in John 16, as in the holy spirit bringing islam via Mohammad...and all the prophecies and truth that came along with that.

It is why in Matthew 24, Jesus INSISTED ON POINTING THIS OUT
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.

this clearly means Jesus himself didnt know about the things occuring after 70AD until his second coming from the clouds.
Everything inbetween is given by the holy spirit in the book of Revelation and then in the religion of islam.

Your confusion in all of this is that you seem to think this Matthew 24 prophecy is 'an end times prophecy yet to be fulfilled' and are projecting it into modern israel. That isnt so, it happened, it was fulfilled and it fit into the 70 week prophecy of Daniel.

this is the period of gentiles and the emergence of the end times beast, 'ridden' by the whore of babylon until she is destroyed.
the destruction of the whore is no 'tribulation', she will be COMPLETELY destroyed.

The Gog & Magog prophecy in Ezekiel 38 will be the only tribulation that will come on the true remnant of the messianic kingdom and has nothing to do with Daniel 9 (which was Rome-centric). Gog & Magog has nothing to do with the beast/roma/mystery babylon prophecies. it is a post-antichrist prophecy.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The verses you've quoted are talking of the israelites, as in the 10 lost tribes.
Similarly there is a confusion because some texts who speak of the gathering of the JEWS. However those particular ones were referring to the return from Babylon.

Zechariah 13 was a prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem after the jews rejected Jesus. It said 2/3 would be 'cut off or perish'. So all the JEWS who left Jerusalem at that time, were part of this camp, 'cut off'.

Bible Gateway passage: Zechariah 13 - New International Version

Cleansing From Sin - “On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity. “On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more,” declares the LORD Almighty. “I will...

www.biblegateway.com

In the whole land,” declares the Lord,

“two-thirds will be struck down and perish; (<< badly translated, the correct one is that they will either be cut off ie leave, or they will perish).

yet one-third will be left in it.
9 This third I will put into the fire;
I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’
and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”


This 1/3 who survived and were righteous, were actually the ones who became christian, i guess you forgot about these guys? where did they go? they remained there and their decendants are palestinians today. Not to assume all palestinians are 'jews' by blood, not true, but there are prob a significant number of palestinians who have legit jewish blood in them from the original survivors of 70AD.
The remnant of JUDEA must come from this camp as per Zech 13.

I don't believe in a special return of JEWS, only the 10 lost tribes of israel.
as i said the only verses referring to a return of the judean people was in reference to thie return from babylon.

So then what becomes of the current jewish nation and their position? as i have said, they belong to the whore of babylon camp and have come from a tradition of USURERS as per the Babylon theme in Zechariah 5 which links to Habakkuk 2 and Jeremiah 2 & 3.

Forget all your religious sentiment and just think this one through.
modern israel is funded by usurers in the form of the rothschilds, founded by that house. THIS itself is a direct link to Zechariah 5's wicked woman. You cannot just ignore the fact the rothschild's are satanic to the core and are very open about that.
Yet Jesus's biggest issue with the pharisees was the blood on their hands. The bolshevik revolution which was controlled by jewish 'athiests' resulted in the biggest massacre of all time, the death of an estimated 20 to even 100m christians.
You can't deny that the eastern orthodox church is also christian right? or would you want to take that away from them? What Jesus said about them killing prophets and saints and 'all on the earth', i mean, 20-100m christians butchered so they could loot the church and russian and then where did that money go? it went to the oligarchs who were jewish and they escaped to israel case in point roman abramovic.

So when you have this special love affair with this camp, it is the love affair for the whore, the wicked with the house established in babylon.
This is no exaggeration.

What is the aftermath for this camp? Revelation 17/18, the fall of the whore of babylon and that too by the antichrist they have chosen.

The tribulation you are referring to, that is the one in Ezekiel 38/39..

compare and contrast that version with the imposter version

In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

(desolate after the fall of mystery babylon and the death of the antichrist).

11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.


you've personally witnessed a state that is the total opposite of this and then said 'but the tribulation doe'
said tribulation is not coming on them.

I should also point out that you have confused Matthew 24's prophecy completely and cant differentiate between 70AD and the Gog & Magog invasion. you are imagining a non-jewish antichrist (makes no sense, the christ is the messiah is a jew and as per zechariah 11 the worthless one-eyed shepherd is a jew from the land).

so let me go back to Matthew 24 and explain the clear difference

Jesus spoke of 2 different events
the immediate destruction of Jerusalem (fulfilled in 70AD).
and the second coming.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 24 - New International Version

The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times - Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will...

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Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked.

“Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


^^
here Jesus was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled in 70AD.

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

so they asked him about 2 different events.

When Jesus spoke of the ABOMINATION from Daniel, that is not some antichrist, that was Titus from 70 week prophecy in Daniel 9.

26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”

fulfilled in 70Ad.
you have the completely wrong interpretation and seem to think all of this is 'going to happen' when it already has.


the problem is that Jesus jumped this 70AD right to the second coming..and that makes no sense to you.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days (<< he was on about 70AD)
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory

This fits in line with Daniel 7 where it foretold the 10 horns, the 10 emperors of Rome who ruled over the jewish temple era...and the little horn who was Titus (daniel 7 also foretold the year of 4 emperors).
YET from that, it directly went to the second coming of Jesus



11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.
12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

13 “I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,


the above is not a prophecy about end times rome and the antichrist, but Titus.

The big hint here is that this entire missing gap is where the book of Revelation fits in and also the 'spirit of truth' in John 16, as in the holy spirit bringing islam via Mohammad...and all the prophecies and truth that came along with that.

It is why in Matthew 24, Jesus INSISTED ON POINTING THIS OUT
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.

this clearly means Jesus himself didnt know about the things occuring after 70AD until his second coming from the clouds.
Everything inbetween is given by the holy spirit in the book of Revelation and then in the religion of islam.

Your confusion in all of this is that you seem to think this Matthew 24 prophecy is 'an end times prophecy yet to be fulfilled' and are projecting it into modern israel. That isnt so, it happened, it was fulfilled and it fit into the 70 week prophecy of Daniel.

this is the period of gentiles and the emergence of the end times beast, 'ridden' by the whore of babylon until she is destroyed.
the destruction of the whore is no 'tribulation', she will be COMPLETELY destroyed.

The Gog & Magog prophecy in Ezekiel 38 will be the only tribulation that will come on the true remnant of the messianic kingdom and has nothing to do with Daniel 9 (which was Rome-centric). Gog & Magog has nothing to do with the beast/roma/mystery babylon prophecies. it is a post-antichrist prophecy.

This was a great series!!!

Is Jesus a loaf? Hermeneutics for Dummies!

Great talk by Walter Martin! Literal and Figurative Language - how to avoid being dumb! About 25 minutes in, he addresses one of the most common errors people make when interpreting statements in the Bible. I think Transubstantiation is the most famous example of this...

vigilantcitizenforums.com

 

[AspiringSoul]

The wicked woman and her house established in babylon.

Zechariah 5
3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished.

this fits in line with Zechariah 13, the ones who were cut off in 70Ad, kicked out of the holy land, who have returned.
remember the theif and false oaths is a reference to usury.
they were banished in 70AD.

this camp, belong to the 2/3 from Zech 13 and as such THEY have no redemption. only the 1/3 of Zechariah 13 who REMAINED there, who werent banished, they were the ones under the tribulation who passed. They never left, they became christian and palestinian.

4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’”

the house built in babylon will be destroyed completely.

 

[A Freeman]

The 2-tribed "House of Judah" was taken into captivity in Babylon, c. 588 BC., when Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonian army sacked Jerusalem and destroyed Solomon's Temple (the only Temple God ever sanctioned to be built on this planet).

It was in Babylon that the "House of Judah" intermarried with the Babylonians, and wrote the Babylonian Talmud, which formed the basis for the first organized religion: Talmudic Judaism, with all of its pagan Babylonian practices. This conspiracy against God -- which is what ALL organized religion really is -- was spoken about by both Jeremiah (11:9) and Ezekiel (22:25).

When the Babylonian empire fell, the Babylonians migrated from the area currently known as Iraq to Rome, where they became the Roman empire that again conquered and ruled over most of the known world.

600 years later, the Sanhedrin, which was/is the ruling body of Talmudic Judaism, manipulated the Romans into crucifying Jesus, the human son of Mary, whom Christ incarnated/strengthened. And a few decades later, exactly as Jesus had prophesied, the second temple (Herod's Temple) was destroyed by the Roman army, in 70 A.D., confirming that the Romans are the direct descendants of the Babylonians, and the only race of people to ever destroy God's Temple (see Sura 17:7).

Roman Catholicism is the Great Whore of Babylon, as evidenced by the vivid description given in Revelation 17.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/revelation-17-the-great-whore.6778/

The reason Roman Catholicism is referred to as the Great Whore is because it is literally whoring the Word of God to fill its coffers, and has become the largest business empire on planet Earth as a result of its deception.

There have been at least 5 Jewish popes, one of which sired one of the subsequent Jewish popes. There are also the Jesuits, who are crypto-counterfeit Jews, forming both the militaristic wing and shadow government of the Vatican, with complete control of the Vatican's finances.

The Roman Catholic church (great whore) gave birth to ALL of the protestant based denominations (her harlot daughters) and to the organized religion/business that deceitfully calls itself "Islam". Roman Catholicism, Roman Protestantism and Roman-Meccan Mohammedanism are ALL polytheistic mystery religions, which originated in Babylon, incorporate Babylonian pagan practices, and masquerade as monotheistic forms of worship, when they quite obviously are not. That is why God has vowed to destroy the whore and all of her harlot daughters, calling His Children to come out from among her children/followers, before it's too late.

Revelation 2:20-23
2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel (ch. 17), which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and ALL the communities shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your WORKS.

Revelation 17:4-9
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE (bishops) and SCARLET (cardinals) colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY (2 Thess. 2:7), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (her daughters) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of her saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
17:7 And the angel said unto me, Why didst thou marvel? (Stop it!) I will tell thee the MYSTERY of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the Earth shall wonder, whose names were NOT written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth (Rome).

Revelation 18:4-5
18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT of her, MY people, that ye take not part in her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues (punishment).
18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her inequities.

Satan has the adherents of his thousands of different organized religions arguing with each other as to why their particular organized religion is supposedly the right one, and why all of the others are the wrong ones, which is leading the overwhelming majority of this world into The Fire.

The true "Age of Aquarius" will be Christ's 1000 year reign here on Earth, where there will be no organized religions of any kind, with their satanic priests, pastors, rabbis and imams, etc., their satanic places of business (churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.), or their silly pagan, Babylonian rites and rituals mixed with the Word of God.

Time is rapidly running out to come out of the whore and into The Light of the Sun of Righteousness (Mal. 4).

2 Esdras 8:1. And he answered me, saying, The Most High hath made this world for many, but the world to come for few.

 

[AspiringSoul]

This was a great series!!!

Is Jesus a loaf? Hermeneutics for Dummies!

Great talk by Walter Martin! Literal and Figurative Language - how to avoid being dumb! About 25 minutes in, he addresses one of the most common errors people make when interpreting statements in the Bible. I think Transubstantiation is the most famous example of this...

vigilantcitizenforums.com

thanks for contributing jack all again btw.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

thanks for contributing jack all again btw.

I was being helpful - you make certain assumptions of the text which are foundational to the posts. If your hermeneutic is sound, that’s great, if not it is built on sand.

You and I have a different hermeneutic when it comes to understanding the Bible, particularly when it comes to prophetic preterism, the books of the Bible we regard as authoritative (e.g. Wisdom) and also when to take things on face value and when a meaning should be spiritualised.

I shared Walter Martin’s series on hermeneutics because it is at this foundational level that we fail to see eye to eye. I liked what Walter had to say, and would stand by the principles he outlines.

 

[AspiringSoul]

The 2-tribed "House of Judah" was taken into captivity in Babylon, c. 588 BC., when Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonian army sacked Jerusalem and destroyed Solomon's Temple (the only Temple God ever sanctioned to be built on this planet).

It was in Babylon that the "House of Judah" intermarried with the Babylonians, and wrote the Babylonian Talmud, which formed the basis for the first organized religion: Talmudic Judaism, with all of its pagan Babylonian practices. This conspiracy against God -- which is what ALL organized religion really is -- was spoken about by both Jeremiah (11:9) and Ezekiel (22:25).

When the Babylonian empire fell, the Babylonians migrated from the area currently known as Iraq to Rome, where they became the Roman empire that again conquered and ruled over most of the known world.

600 years later, the Sanhedrin, which was/is the ruling body of Talmudic Judaism, manipulated the Romans into crucifying Jesus, the human son of Mary, whom Christ incarnated/strengthened. And a few decades later, exactly as Jesus had prophesied, the second temple (Herod's Temple) was destroyed by the Roman army, in 70 A.D., confirming that the Romans are the direct descendants of the Babylonians, and the only race of people to ever destroy God's Temple (see Sura 17:7).

Roman Catholicism is the Great Whore of Babylon, as evidenced by the vivid description given in Revelation 17.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/revelation-17-the-great-whore.6778/

The reason Roman Catholicism is referred to as the Great Whore is because it is literally whoring the Word of God to fill its coffers, and has become the largest business empire on planet Earth as a result of its deception.

There have been at least 5 Jewish popes, one of which sired one of the subsequent Jewish popes. There are also the Jesuits, who are crypto-counterfeit Jews, forming both the militaristic wing and shadow government of the Vatican, with complete control of the Vatican's finances.

The Roman Catholic church (great whore) gave birth to ALL of the protestant based denominations (her harlot daughters) and to the organized religion/business that deceitfully calls itself "Islam". Roman Catholicism, Roman Protestantism and Roman-Meccan Mohammedanism are ALL polytheistic mystery religions, which originated in Babylon, incorporate Babylonian pagan practices, and masquerade as monotheistic forms of worship, when they quite obviously are not. That is why God has vowed to destroy the whore and all of her harlot daughters, calling His Children to come out from among her children/followers, before it's too late.

Revelation 2:20-23
2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel (ch. 17), which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and ALL the communities shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your WORKS.

Revelation 17:4-9
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE (bishops) and SCARLET (cardinals) colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY (2 Thess. 2:7), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (her daughters) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of her saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
17:7 And the angel said unto me, Why didst thou marvel? (Stop it!) I will tell thee the MYSTERY of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the Earth shall wonder, whose names were NOT written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth (Rome).

Revelation 18:4-5
18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT of her, MY people, that ye take not part in her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues (punishment).
18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her inequities.

Satan has the adherents of his thousands of different organized religions arguing with each other as to why their particular organized religion is supposedly the right one, and why all of the others are the wrong ones, which is leading the overwhelming majority of this world into The Fire.

The true "Age of Aquarius" will be Christ's 1000 year reign here on Earth, where there will be no organized religions of any kind, with their satanic priests, pastors, rabbis and imams, etc., their satanic places of business (churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.), or their silly pagan, Babylonian rites and rituals mixed with the Word of God.

Time is rapidly running out to come out of the whore and into The Light of the Sun of Righteousness (Mal. 4).

2 Esdras 8:1. And he answered me, saying, The Most High hath made this world for many, but the world to come for few.

You wrote
When the Babylonian empire fell, the Babylonians migrated from the area currently known as Iraq to Rome, where they became the Roman empire that again conquered and ruled over most of the known world.


made up bollocks.
the chaldean dynasty was wiped out.

The ROMANS did not practice usury, they banned it completely.
Rome became a republic, they rejected 'kings' and then eventually under Augustus Ceasar they became the rulers of Judea under the temple period. 10 emperors in total until the temple was destroyed.

So basically yourclaim here is that the babylonians themselves were the ones destroying the temple....
and that too, to punish the same rabbinic system that was fashioned after them.
that makes no sense, because you an imbecile who can't think shit through.


putting you back on ignore for that shitpost.

 

[AspiringSoul]

I was being helpful - you make certain assumptions of the text which are foundational to the posts. If your hermeneutic is sound, that’s great, if not it is built on sand.

You and I have a different hermeneutic when it comes to understanding the Bible, particularly when it comes to prophetic preterism, the books of the Bible we regard as authoritative (e.g. Wisdom) and also when to take things on face value and when a meaning should be spiritualised.

I shared Walter Martin’s series on hermeneutics because it is at this foundational level that we fail to see eye to eye. I liked what Walter had to say, and would stand by the principles he outlines.

you said basically absolutely nothing other than 'we have different interpretations'..but that is a complete cop out. you've clearly made errors.

talk of the remnant 'returning'..is only referring to the 10 lost tribes of israel (in any future post 70AD context).
any text from the OT which speaks of a remnant from the JEWS (the 2 tribes) returning, is either a reference to a return from babylon.
or pertaining to OT contexts.

eg isaiah 37

Jeremiah 40:11
When all the Jews in Moab, Ammon, Edom and all the other countries heard that the king of Babylon had left a remnant in Judah and had appointed Gedaliah son of Ahikam, the son of Shaphan, as governor over them,

throughout jeremiah we read about this same remnant who go off into egypt.
what you quoted from Jeremiah 11 was also fulfilled by the babylonian invasion.


now Zechariah's prophecies are relevant.

for example Zech 13 says
'strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered'.
this is clearly in reference to Jesus and the immediate aftermath eg the roman invasion and destruction of Jerusalem which Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24
It is this, that ties in with the 'abomination' prophecy from Daniel 9's 70 week prophecy which itself was Jesus centric.

Yet in your mind, you instead have projected a future 'tribulation' and that too against modern jewry, the state of israel etc. You're misinterpreting Zech 13 type texts and even Matthew 24 completely.

Zech 13 gives us a major clue.
it says that 2/3 will be cut off or perish. so every single 'jew' of the modern state israel was part of this camp and thus, the are write offs, they have no part of a messianic kingdom, they left during roman persecution.

this is not merely 'interpretation' this is a crystal clear logical conclusion.


yet one-third will be left in it.
9 This third I will put into the fire;

I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’
and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.

the ones who remained were bloodline jews and they always remained in the holy land, why? because they became christian and hence palestinian in name. You forgot about those guys didn't you?

whether they became muslim later, that isnt important to me (many of them did, that's accepted). the fact remains that the real remnant exists amongst the PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. Not to say all palestinians, since they are a mixture of races, but amongst them there is a legit remnant.
how do you feel bout that mate? seriously, im not trying to troll you here, but genuinely interested in whether you would even have thought of this? i dont regard the common christian as theologically honest btw, it's obv to me that you guys have your bias.


On the book of Wisdom, the fact is this, during the lifetime of Jesus, Wisdom was every bit a part of the book.
it actually does shock me, i used to talk about the prophecies with christians and they would happily tell me about Zechariah 11-13 or Isaiah 53 or Daniel 9 in relation to the crucifixion.
I was honest enough to read them and finally accept them as true and likewise it's why i have a different interpretation of verse 4:157 int he Quran. im much happier with my understanding of it because it's based on actual contexts eg the sadducee's, their beliefs on death/the afterlife etc.

Wisdom itself, the book, came to me long after i had formed my views and debated muslims on them. finding Wisdom was like the icing on the cake because i was studying the backstory of the maccabean revolt at the time. read the book of maccabees as a historical document..and then i noticed 'wait a minute, this isnt even part of the bible?' and went on to read Wisdom and Sirach.

Wisdom, was def endorsed by the same church fathers inc Augustine and Athanasius who made you a trinitarian.and you have the gall to tell me you don't accept it because later some jews decided they didnt want no part of it (because the evidence in the first 3 chapters is too much for them to take..any other prophecy eg isaiah 53 is ambigious enough, but Wisdom 2 and 3 are fking champions of prophecy that no jew can hide from. the contexts are so clear they had to reject the book altogether.


Here's what is said about Wisdom

Book of Wisdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Melito of Sardis[7] in the 2nd century AD, Augustine[8] (c. 397 AD) and Innocent I (405 AD)[9][10] considered Wisdom of Solomon as part of the Old Testament. Athanasius writes that the Book of Wisdom along with three other deuterocanonical books, while not being part of the Canon, "were appointed by the Fathers to be read".[11] Epiphanius of Salamis (c. 385 AD) mentions that the Wisdom of Solomon was of disputed canonicity.[12] According to the monk Rufinus of Aquileia (c. 400 AD) the Book of Wisdom was not called a canonical but ecclesiastical book.[13]

The Book of Wisdom was listed as canonical by the Council of Rome (382 AD),[14] the Synod of Hippo (393),[15] the Council of Carthage (397) and the Council of Carthage (419)

so basically no sooner did the protestants start working with the whore of babylon, they began to rejected THIS BOOK?
oh yeh, you better believe the book is worthy if that's the case.
so by all means reject it.

oh and nothing in any of this was allegorical and subject to interpretation.
the bible has too many parts connected with the other that would leave one with little doubt.
eg matthew 24 links to daniel 9, links to zech 11-13 etc.


you were happy to go on quoting jeremiah out of context though....

btw, Jesus, mary, john the baptist, the apostles etc
you know every single one of them would have read the book of Wisdom and been aware of what was in it?

Jesus was reading it, his mum was reading it, your triniarian church fathers were reading it, but you're too big for it?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The Wisdom of Solomon

The Wisdom of Solomon, also called the Book of Wisdom, is one of the books of the Apocrypha. Others in the group include 1 and 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, the Letter of Jeremiah, Prayer of Manasseh, and 1 and 2 Maccabees. Most of the books of the Apocrypha are accepted by the Roman Catholic Church and are included in Catholic Bibles. The Apocrypha/Deuterocanonical books teach many things that are not true and are not historically accurate. The Roman Catholic Church officially added the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals to their Bible at the Council of Trent in the mid-1500s AD, primarily in response to the Protestant Reformation. None of the apocryphal books are included in the canon of Scripture.

The Wisdom of Solomon was believed by some to have been written by King Solomon, although his name appears nowhere in the text. However, the early church rejected the authorship of Solomon; an ancient manuscript known as the Muratorian fragment refers to the Wisdom of Solomon as having been written by “the friends of Solomon in his honor.” It is widely accepted today, even by the Catholic Church, that Solomon did not write the book, which dates back to the 1st or 2nd century BC, many centuries after the death of Solomon.

While Solomon wrote much on the subject of wisdom in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, he never elevated it to the status of part of the Godhead, a philosophy found in The Wisdom of Solomon. The book refers to Wisdom in terms the Bible reserves for the Messiah, saying, “She [wisdom] is a reflection of eternal light, a spotless mirror of the working of God, and an image of his goodness” (Wisdom 7:26). The book of Hebrews reserves such accolades for the Son of God, who “is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being” (Hebrews 1:3). Even more egregious, Wisdom 9:18 says that salvation is an act of wisdom, whereas Scripture is clear that salvation is by faith, a gift of God to those whom He calls, justifies, and sanctifies (Ephesians 2:8–9; Romans 8:30). In fact, if man were to depend upon his “wisdom” for salvation, we would be lost forever with no hope because the unredeemed are dead in trespasses and sin (Ephesians 2:1–4) and their minds are darkened (Ephesians 4:18; 1 Corinthians 2:14) and their heart deceitful and desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9).

The apocryphal books are accepted by the Roman Catholic Church because many of the books teach Catholic doctrines that are not in agreement with the Bible, including praying for the dead, petitioning Mary to intercede with the Father, worshiping angels, and alms-giving as atonement for sins. Some of what the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals say is true and correct. However, due to the historical and theological errors, the books, including The Wisdom of Solomon, must be viewed as fallible historical and religious documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

What is the Wisdom of Solomon? | GotQuestions.org

What is the Wisdom of Solomon? Should the Wisdom of Solomon be in the Bible? Was the Wisdom of Solomon truly written by King Solomon?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[AspiringSoul]

since Athanasius and Augustine endorsed it..and since you have pretty much implied Wisdom is satanic
why do you follow the trinitarian doctrine that was designed by Athanasius?



In Rev2 The holy spirit says

6 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’[b]—just as I have received authority from my Father.
28 I will also give that one the morning star. 29 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

the morning star, the symbol of wisdom, is under the Holy Spirit's authority, but of course the other part ive highlighting is yet another proof that the holy spirit is not God. Just like in john 16, Jesus said the holy spirit 'takes from the son' and yet Jesus said the son can do nothing.



you quoted
Even more egregious, Wisdom 9:18 says that salvation is an act of wisdom, whereas Scripture is clear that salvation is by faith, a gift of God to those whom He calls, justifies, and sanctifies

how are the 2 contrary to another? Wisdom is the guiding light in a person, it makes a person 'do the right thing' just as Abraham was righteous before the law. Hence it is directly a fruit of God's Grace.

just another example of how poor christians are when it comes to absorbing the scripture of all it's contents and implications.



James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.


Wisdom 1
4 Wisdom will never enter the soul of a wrong-doer, nor dwell in a body enslaved to sin;
5 for the holy spirit of instruction flees deceitfulness, recoils from unintelligent thoughts, is thwarted by the onset of vice.
6 Wisdom is a spirit friendly to humanity, though she will not let a blasphemer's words go unpunished; since God observes the very soul and accurately surveys the heart, listening to every word.
7 For the spirit of the Lord fills the world, and that which holds everything together knows every word said.

so basically Wisdom is light..and light comes from God through the holy spirit.

you're like 'OMG IT SAYS LIGHT, BUT JEZUZ IS LIGHT, SO DIS IS SATANIC'




actually, might aswell go in on Wisdom 9

Wisdom - Chapter 9 - Bible - Catholic Online

1 'God of our ancestors, Lord of mercy, who by your word have made the universe, 2 and in your wisdom have fitted human beings to rule the creatures that you have made, 3 to govern the world in holiness and saving justice and in honesty of soul to dispense fair judgement,

www.catholic.org

'God of our ancestors, Lord of mercy, who by your word have made the universe,
2 and in your wisdom have fitted human beings to rule the creatures that you have made,
3 to govern the world in holiness and saving justice and in honesty of soul to dispense fair judgement,

i mean this again fits in line with Rev 3, the holy spirit was talking of

6 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’[b]—just as I have received authority from my Father.
28 I will also give that one the morning star. 29 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.




still though, Zech 13 is proof that the chosen decendants of Jacob are amongst the modern day palestinians.

it's insane how deep it gets and the implications for it in the world today.
no wonder palestinians are being slaughtered all the time by the whore of babylon.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

since Athanasius and Augustine endorsed it..and since you have pretty much implied Wisdom is satanic
why do you follow the trinitarian doctrine that was designed by Athanasius?



In Rev2 The holy spirit says

6 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’[b]—just as I have received authority from my Father.
28 I will also give that one the morning star. 29 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

the morning star, the symbol of wisdom, is under the Holy Spirit's authority, but of course the other part ive highlighting is yet another proof that the holy spirit is not God. Just like in john 16, Jesus said the holy spirit 'takes from the son' and yet Jesus said the son can do nothing.



you quoted
Even more egregious, Wisdom 9:18 says that salvation is an act of wisdom, whereas Scripture is clear that salvation is by faith, a gift of God to those whom He calls, justifies, and sanctifies

how are the 2 contrary to another? Wisdom is the guiding light in a person, it makes a person 'do the right thing' just as Abraham was righteous before the law. Hence it is directly a fruit of God's Grace.

just another example of how poor christians are when it comes to absorbing the scripture of all it's contents and implications.



James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.


Wisdom 1
4 Wisdom will never enter the soul of a wrong-doer, nor dwell in a body enslaved to sin;
5 for the holy spirit of instruction flees deceitfulness, recoils from unintelligent thoughts, is thwarted by the onset of vice.
6 Wisdom is a spirit friendly to humanity, though she will not let a blasphemer's words go unpunished; since God observes the very soul and accurately surveys the heart, listening to every word.
7 For the spirit of the Lord fills the world, and that which holds everything together knows every word said.

so basically Wisdom is light..and light comes from God through the holy spirit.

you're like 'OMG IT SAYS LIGHT, BUT JEZUZ IS LIGHT, SO DIS IS SATANIC'




actually, might aswell go in on Wisdom 9

Wisdom - Chapter 9 - Bible - Catholic Online

1 'God of our ancestors, Lord of mercy, who by your word have made the universe, 2 and in your wisdom have fitted human beings to rule the creatures that you have made, 3 to govern the world in holiness and saving justice and in honesty of soul to dispense fair judgement,

www.catholic.org

'God of our ancestors, Lord of mercy, who by your word have made the universe,
2 and in your wisdom have fitted human beings to rule the creatures that you have made,
3 to govern the world in holiness and saving justice and in honesty of soul to dispense fair judgement,

i mean this again fits in line with Rev 3, the holy spirit was talking of

6 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’[b]—just as I have received authority from my Father.
28 I will also give that one the morning star. 29 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.




still though, Zech 13 is proof that the chosen decendants of Jacob are amongst the modern day palestinians.

it's insane how deep it gets and the implications for it in the world today.
no wonder palestinians are being slaughtered all the time by the whore of babylon.

I didn’t say that “The Wisdom of Solomon” was without merit, just that I can see reasons why it was not considered canonical.

To give a similar example, if you have read it, the Book of Enoch is a disputed text. Some Christians I like and respect accept it, many others don’t. At present I don’t think it is canonical as it appears to be an echo of an original account rather than a reliable record.

 

[A Freeman]

You wrote
When the Babylonian empire fell, the Babylonians migrated from the area currently known as Iraq to Rome, where they became the Roman empire that again conquered and ruled over most of the known world.


made up bollocks.

No, it is the truth, as evidenced by Scripture and secular sources.

Sura 17:7. If ye did well, ye did well for yourselves; if ye did evil, (ye did it) against yourselves. So when the second of the warnings came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disfigure your faces, and to enter your Temple as they* had entered it before, and to visit with destruction all that fell into their power. *(the Babylonians and the Romans are the same race with a new name and country - note well New Covenant/Testament - Revelation 17:5. They destroyed both the First and Second Temples. They destroyed the First Temple as Babylonians and the Second Temple as Romans but the Babylonians and the Romans are the same race of people).

From: https://watchjerusalem.co.il/135-the-remarkable-biblical-identity-of-the-modern-romans

Babylon Lives On

So the descendants of the ancient Babylonians migrated to Rome through Syria, primarily as slaves. Over time, these slaves and their descendants, as well as other people from the east, became such a substantial portion of the Roman population that it is estimated that 90 percent of the people had mixed descent from them! Many of these slaves were taken as the rest of Syria and Mesopotamia was conquered by Rome in the late 100s A.D. Roman records show one emperor taking 100,000 captives from the area to sell into slavery!

These people brought with them their acceptance of Eastern religion. That is why Eastern philosophies and traditions were so readily accepted in the Roman Empire—and why they are so evident and integral in Roman Catholicism.

Though Babylon was abandoned, it continued to live on through the migration of its people into Italy and the acceptance of its religious system by the Roman Empire.

the chaldean dynasty was wiped out.

According to whom? The Bible shows letters being written to Babylon during the Medo-Persian empire that followed it. One such reference, from the Bookd of Ezra:

Ezra 4:9-11
4:9 Then [wrote] Rehum the chancellor, and Shimshai the scribe, and the rest of their companions; the Dinaites, the Apharsathchites, the Tarpelites, the Apharsites, the Archevites, the Babylonians, the Susanchites, the Dehavites, [and] the Elamites,
4:10 And the rest of the nations whom the great and noble Asnappar brought over, and set in the cities of Samaria, and the rest [that are] on this side the river, and at such a time.
4:11 This [is] the copy of the letter that they sent unto him, [even] unto Artaxerxes the king; Thy servants the men on this side the river, and at such a time.

The ROMANS did not practice usury, they banned it completely.

Again, according to whom?

Excerpts from: Usury and its Effect on Rome and Early Christianity
(@ http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/v1/index274.htm)-

The moneychangers destroyed Rome from within by first monopolizing usury, monopolizing the precious mineral trade and then disproportionately magnifying the temporal businesses of prostitution (including p***philia and homosexuality), and slavery.

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The major reason for the decline of pagan Rome can be attributed to the long-term destructive effects of usury. Indeed, usury has fueled the rise and the fall of the great civilizations of Egypt, Persia, Babylon, Greece and Rome. In Will Durant's History of Civilization, he mentions the major factor in the rise of ancient Rome was its adherence to free-market policies.

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It's also worth noting that most countries today use a form of Roman "law", and they almost invariably allow unlawful usury. That's why legal terms are frequently expressed in the dead language of Latin.

Rome became a republic, they rejected 'kings' and then eventually under Augustus Ceasar they became the rulers of Judea under the temple period. 10 emperors in total until the temple was destroyed.

Does an emperor not rule over kings? And how does any of this somehow disprove that the Babylonians migrated to Italy, and became the Roman empire? It doesn't, does it?

So basically yourclaim here is that the babylonians themselves were the ones destroying the temple....

No "claim" is being made; only a statement of FACT, that the Babylonians and the Romans are the same race of people, who destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem TWICE.

They did it the first time as the Babylonians, c. 588 BC, when they destroyed Solomon's Temple, and they did it the second time as the Romans, in 70 AD. But they are the same race of people according to God.

and that too, to punish the same rabbinic system that was fashioned after them.

???

God ALWAYS uses Israel's enemies to punish Israel (not a rabbinic system/organized religion, but the people Israel) for not keeping His Law. It's the PEOPLE who are enslaved, suffer and die; the evil rabbinic system continues to this day, because we haven't kept The Law.

God did it the first time using the Egyptians to punish and enslave all 12 tribes of Israel.

God did it again, at two different times, and by two different captors, to punish the 10-tribed "House of Israel" using the Assyrians (c. 722 BC), and the 2-tribed "House of Judah" using the Babylonians, c. 588 BC.

Unfortunately, neither the 10-tribed "House of Israel" nor the 2-tribed "House of Judah learned their lessons during the first two enslavements, so they will both be brought into slavery AGAIN to their present-day enemies: the Russians and the Chinese, who will defeat the U.S. and U.K. in WW3.

that makes no sense, because you an imbecile who can't think shit through.

You're obviously seeing this situation upside down and backwards, because what's been personally shared makes perfect sense, and has been confirmed as FACT by our Creator.

Don't you think it would be more productive to actually review the evidence rather than to throw a childish tantrum every time your errant viewpoints are corrected (for your benefit)?

putting you back on ignore for that shitpost.

Who cares?

 

[AspiringSoul]

I didn’t say that “The Wisdom of Solomon” was without merit, just that I can see reasons why it was not considered canonical.

To give a similar example, if you have read it, the Book of Enoch is a disputed text. Some Christians I like and respect accept it, many others don’t. At present I don’t think it is canonical as it appears to be an echo of an original account rather than a reliable record.

did you or did you not read Wisdom 1-3?
that's all i want to know.
if so, what are your direct opinions of what is written?
who is this 'righteous man' chapter 2 is talking about, who calls himself 'God's Son' who they hate and oppose?
who are 'they'?

have some shame man.

 

[Alanantic]

...And you're all back throwing scripture at each other... :-(

 

[Lyfe]

Its quite revealing if you read some of the literature written by new age authors. They will even admit their writings are more or less channeled by entitites. Allot of them are pretty inverse to biblical prophecy of the end times. A world teacher, a new age, purging the world of negative energy which is a nice way of putting genocide. There is obviously a realm interfacing with ours working toward the eventual cohesion where the spiritual and physical plane become united and manifest for all.

 

[Faker He-Man]

Its quite revealing if you read some of the literature written by new age authors. They will even admit their writings are more or less channeled by entitites. Allot of them are pretty inverse to biblical prophecy of the end times. A world teacher, a new age, purging the world of negative energy which is a nice way of putting genocide. There is obviously a realm interfacing with ours working toward the eventual cohesion where the spiritual and physical plane become united and manifest for all.

Actually it’s the lower astral plane that they are trying to merge with the physical. The lower astral is the opposite of “spiritual” though- a very nasty and dark realm. This has been attempted over and over in many different ways, but it will never be allowed to happen. They are still confused as to why their precious large hadron collider at CERN was suddenly and mysteriously broken beyond repair

LOL Nice try, idiots, but NOPE! Now they want to build a new, even bigger and more powerful collider. I would tell them to go ahead and try and watch what happens. It will just end up being another complete waste of time and resources.