How And Why Does Israel Have So Much Power?

[DesertRose]

 

[vancityeagle]

the clowns at the David Icke forum went all in with the anti-Corbyn propaganda and pushed the Zionist Brexit Agenda.

Calling them out was my final straw on that forum.

 

[DesertRose]

@vancityeagle not surprised disinfo agent Icke gives partial truths.
Disinfo are used against real opposition and they never give permanent solutions to problems. Just on and on fearmongering.
People fall for duplicitous trolls because of their partial solutions.
Jeremy Corbyn is a worthy politician who is not for sale, difficult to find those types these days.
Corbyn: We will recognise Palestinian state when we take office

We want peace for the people of Palestine - Jeremy Corbyn

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

You are kidding right? What we have today is the rabbi's book not the original Torah from the Creator.

Have you considered the likelihood of that assertion? If I were “improving” a book to perhaps do a PR job on Israel, might I suggest the scribes did a fairly lazy job in excising the unflattering references to the Israelites!!!

In addition (from a Christian perspective), whole chapters that still remain cause rabbinic Judaism all kinds of headaches...

 

[DesertRose]

If I were “improving” a book to perhaps do a PR job on Israel, might I suggest the scribes did a fairly lazy job in excising the unflattering references to the Israelites!!!

In addition (from a Christian perspective), whole chapters that still remain cause rabbinic Judaism all kinds of headaches...

Parts maybe still authentic but much has been changed by lying scribes and you know that so why the defense? Cognitive dissonance?
They have changed, omitted, misinterpreted the words of the Creator and they attributed words to the Creator as well.
Do they make lawful what they Creator has made unlawful.........usury for gentiles anyone? (This is shirk btw)
Do they make entire books not sent by God.......Talmud anyone?
Do they blaspheme the Prophets with false stories that paint them as major sinners thus rendering them unfit to be emulated? (for those interested in the real stories of the Prophets check out the Merciful Servant channel's series on the Prophets on Youtube._

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=merciful+servant+stories+of+the+Prophets

Do they use torah codes to predict things while people like you stand in awe waiting for their predictions. (Fortune telling)
I remember you posting stuff about that smh.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Parts maybe still authentic but much has been changed by lying scribes and you know that so why the defense? Cognitive dissonance?
They have changed, omitted, misinterpreted the words of the Creator and they attributed words to the Creator as well.
Do they make lawful what they Creator has made unlawful.........usury for gentiles anyone? (This is shirk btw)
Do they make entire books not sent by God.......Talmud anyone?
Do they blaspheme the Prophets with false stories that paint them as major sinners thus rendering them unfit to be emulated? (for those interested in the real stories of the Prophets check out the Merciful Servant channels series on the Prophets on Youtube._
Do they use torah codes to predict things while people like you stand in awe waiting for their predictions.
I remember you posting stuff about that smh.

I think you are perhaps mixing the OT with a the wider selection of books that rabbinic Judaism refers to? I wouldn’t vouch for the Babylonian Talmud and the Zohar...

 

[DesertRose]

I think you are perhaps mixing the OT with a the wider selection of books that rabbinic Judaism refers to? I wouldn’t vouch for the Babylonian Talmud and the Zohar...

Nope.
@Red Sky at Morning

Even their scholars have written about the changes.

Many rabbis agree that Ezra changed the Torah text - BooksnThoughts.com

Many rabbis agree that Ezra changed the Torah text - Dr Israel Drazin

booksnthoughts.com

"Many, if not most, rabbis, even ultra-Orthodox rabbis, recognize that as Judaism evolved, changes were introduced into the Torah wording for a myriad of reasons. Tikkunei Soferim, which can be translated as “corrections by the scribes,” refers to at least eighteen changes, and probably many more, that were made in the original wording of the Hebrew Bible during the Second Temple period, perhaps sometime between 450 and 350 BCE."

 

[recure]

Do they blaspheme the Prophets with false stories that paint them as major sinners thus rendering them unfit to be emulated?

The Sunnah in a nutshell.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@DesertRose

I am interested to hear what kinds of changes(or what “narrative”, if you like) the post-Ezra rabbis would have made to the Torah? Are they small and subtle or wholesale in nature?

 

[pescatarian09]

Refer to this schematic. The original, and the end product, cannot be the same text.

 

[A Freeman]

Parts maybe still authentic but much has been changed by lying scribes and you know that so why the defense? Cognitive dissonance?
They have changed, omitted, misinterpreted the words of the Creator and they attributed words to the Creator as well.
Do they make lawful what they Creator has made unlawful.........usury for gentiles anyone? (This is shirk btw)
Do they make entire books not sent by God.......Talmud anyone?
Do they blaspheme the Prophets with false stories that paint them as major sinners thus rendering them unfit to be emulated? (for those interested in the real stories of the Prophets check out the Merciful Servant channel's series on the Prophets on Youtube._

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=merciful+servant+stories+of+the+Prophets

Do they use torah codes to predict things while people like you stand in awe waiting for their predictions. (Fortune telling)
I remember you posting stuff about that smh.

The word "Talmud" is Hebrew and means "traditions of the fathers/elders" which, as Jesus said, "make the Commandments of God (found only in The Law/Torah) of no effect".

The word "Hadith" is Arabic, and means exactly the same thing: the traditions of the fathers/elders (their made-up stories).

Both the Talmud and the Hadith were CONDEMNED by God in His Law (Deut. 4:2, 12:8, 12:32), because both add and take away from His PERFECT Law, and make up FALSE stories about God's Prophets and Messengers/Apostles. Associating the Talmud or the Hadith with God's Word is, without a doubt, committing shirk.

Anyone who falsely claims The Law (Torah) that God gave us to protect us from evil has been corrupted is an UNBELIEVER, who clearly does not believe that our Most Gracious and Most Merciful God is ALL-POWERFUL and thus quite capable of preserving His Law (Sura 32:23). The Law is referred to throughout the Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran (Quran), and we have been repeatedly reminded it can NEVER be corrupted nor destroyed.

Isn't it time every so-called Muslim remove the log from their own eye, which spiritually blinds them to the truth that they are repeating the very same mistakes that these so-called Jews (and the so-called Christians too) have made, making up and repeating fabricated stories (LIES) about God's Law, God's Prophets and Messengers/Apostles, and about God Himself?

By their own admission, over 95% of those that call themselves "Jews" are, in fact, ASHKENAZIS, descended from Japheth's grandson ASHKENAZ, via Japheth's son Gomer (Gen. 10:1-3) and thus are not even Semites. How do we know this? Because God has told us who these evil people are in His Law, and then told us what their fate will be in the Revelation God had His Christ send to John (Rev. 2:9, 3:9).

The ONLY Way to defeat the Zionists (Ashkenazis) is to return to keeping and enforcing God's Law ONLY. Under God's Law, what the Israelis/AshkeNAZIS are doing to the Palestinians are capital crimes.

Anyone, regardless of whether they call themselves a "Jew" or a "Christian" or a "Muslim", etc., who isn't keeping and enforcing God's Law, is actually criminally aiding and abetting the Zionists continue to oppress, enslave, cripple and murder Palestinians.

That is exactly how God sees this situation, and why He gave us His Law, which defines what is right and wrong in God's Eyes.

 

[DesertRose]

am interested to hear what kinds of changes(or what “narrative”, if you like) the post-Ezra rabbis would have made to the Torah? Are they small and subtle or wholesale in nature?

Red, this discussion I could care less about it is enough that you got it dead wrong, they have changed the OT even by the admission of their own scholars.
FYI just in case you conveniently forgot this is a political thread not a religious one.
Regarding the above, it is enough for me that the Creator said this:

Spoiler

“They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords [arbaab] besides Allaah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allaah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] to worship none but One Ilaah (God — Allaah) Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)”
[al-Tawbah 9:31]

Ask yourself again,would Jesus (peace be upon him) if he was here today cover up Israeli oppression or support it in any way?
Then ask yourself why do I support these people and their tyranny? Israel is the occupation state where western values go to die.
بارك الله فيك @pescatarian09

What are you people doing out of the religious forum if you can not have a discussion that is not religious.

 

[DesertRose]

John Pilger Interview: Israel is a LYING MACHINE, Palestine Has The Right to Resist!

 

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How and why does Israel have so much power?

Because the Satanically aligned Rothschild Khazarian Mafia have hijacked Judaism and control of a Fiat currency banking system.

Zionist Israel is an example of what's wrong with this world and Zionists should have to hand Israel over to be governed by true Semites.

The 20th anniversary of 9-11 is coming up soon. That event would not have happened if Khazarians did not control "our" money supply.

How fitting it would be if the civilized world recognized 9-11 truth and used the Patriot Act to liberate the banks and Israel from Zionism.

The article below may be of use to anyone interested in understanding the basics of the KM / Zionist problem.

The Hidden History Of The Rothschild Khazarian Mafia

An Extreme Act Of Cruelty Requires A High Degree Of Empathy Note: The history of the Khazarians, specifically the Khazarian Mafia (KM), the World’s largest Organized Crime Syndicate that the Khaza…

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[Orwell's mentor]

Do I worship the Catholic church? Do I regiment my life accordingly to the Pope? No, but I believe in Jesus.

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The jews were divided from the beginning... just like Christians and pagans.

Zionism and Christianity The Unholy Alliance.

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Just like Vatican... Israel stands up for something we might never full understand, a veil shadowing all religions... a deception to enslave our mind, to turn us against our own brothers and sisters and to dominate the world under a One false religion.
That's why I follow symbols... it is easier to understand symbols than words and the hexagram is not the original flag of Israel, but the Menorah was. (seven churches).
This all makes me think God exists and this is Men trying to overcome God creation just like the tower of Babel myth...

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My opinion about Israel is the same as Vatican I don't like them, I don't trust them. They went into a path God doesn't wanted.
Let's see what future will bring for them...

"The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" (1 John 5.19)

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This is because the Vatican is owned by the Rothschild's, which explains much as it's their Israel. While I heard Michael Swinwood state this in a video, it's also posted on this website:

The Rothschilds and the Vatican

The Surveillance Society Does Not Work

 

[The Agrarian]

I think you are perhaps mixing the OT with a the wider selection of books that rabbinic Judaism refers to? I wouldn’t vouch for the Babylonian Talmud and the Zohar...

Red Sky, modern Judaism is ENTIRELY influenced by the Babylonian Talmud. They are not "worshipping the same god" just without the New Testament.

The vast majority of modern Judaism came after the fall of Jerusalem in A.D 70! It was a reaction to Christianity that spawned 99% of what we call Judaism today. It bears almost no resemblence to the Levitical priest-rites of the Old Testament.

 

[lightseeker]

Red Sky, modern Judaism is ENTIRELY influenced by the Babylonian Talmud. They are not "worshipping the same god" just without the New Testament.

The vast majority of modern Judaism came after the fall of Jerusalem in A.D 70! It was a reaction to Christianity that spawned 99% of what we call Judaism today. It bears almost no resemblence to the Levitical priest-rites of the Old Testament.

This 100%. They basically took everything Jesus said was wrong about how they practiced their religion and codified it as law. In Jesus’ time, it was impossible for judaism to exist without the temple in Jerusalem. After the jews murdered Jesus and the romans destroyed their temple, they essentially had to create a new “religion” for them to wander the earth as outcasts with, which was the Babylonian Talmud.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

This is because the Vatican is owned by the Rothschild's, which explains much as it's their Israel. While I heard Michael Swinwood state this in a video, it's also posted on this website:

The Rothschilds and the Vatican

The Surveillance Society Does Not Work

In an anti-type to the well worn phrase “what would Jesus do”, when you consider diabolical plans (in the context of the fulfilment of Bible prophecies) you have to ask “what would Satan do?”.

With regard to the promised re-establishment of the State of Israel, I suspect he might make it look like his idea and use his pawns to do it.

The King James Bible based on the Textus Receptus? Freemasons put their logo on it!

Dead in Christ rise first? Zombie Apocalypse!

Rapture? Alien abduction!

Satan and his angels cast down? Extra-terrestrial visitation!

I’m sure you get the idea, as Winston Churchill put it:-

 

[Orwell's mentor]

In an anti-type to the well worn phrase “what would Jesus do”, when you consider diabolical plans (in the context of the fulfilment of Bible prophecies) you have to ask “what would Satan do?”.

With regard to the promised re-establishment of the State of Israel, I suspect he might make it look like his idea and use his pawns to do it.

The King James Bible based on the Textus Receptus? Freemasons put their logo on it!

Dead in Christ rise first? Zombie Apocalypse!

Rapture? Alien abduction!

Satan and his angels cast down? Extra-terrestrial visitation!

I’m sure you get the idea, as Winston Churchill put it:-

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What is it about the Rothschild's being satan worshippers that you're unable to grasp? Are you not understanding that the entire lot of them all interconnected...they all worship evil and yet, you make endless excuses for the lot of them. Just because they've named a country "Israel" doesn't mean it's the same one from a biblical or spiritual standpoint.

I mean, I used to work with someone named Farrah, I can guarantee you she didn't play a Charlie's Angel, nor was she in a relationship with Lee Majors or Ryan O'Neal.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

What is it about the Rothschild's being satan worshippers that you're unable to grasp? Are you not understanding that the entire lot of them all interconnected...they all worship evil and yet, you make endless excuses for the lot of them. Just because they've named a country "Israel" doesn't mean it's the same one from a biblical or spiritual standpoint.

I mean, I used to work with someone named Farrah, I can guarantee you she didn't play a Charlie's Angel, nor was she in a relationship with Lee Majors or Ryan O'Neal.

I don’t think people are able to grasp concepts that don’t fit their world view very easily @Orwell's mentor.

Let me give you an interior design analogy. A room has a pillar in it that contains four steel girders. It’s not going to move. If you can’t move it, the next best thing is to make it look like your idea.

Long before the Rothschilds were a twinkle in Satan’s eye, Psalm 102 prophesied that the “Lord would build up Zion”, and even the preceding Holocaust the Jews would face. Don’t believe me? Check it out...