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Oh Im glad you consider my post. But I won't be able to be active that much. I really need to pass my entrance exams first haha. I'll try to look into what you said if I can.

Yes I've seen that jin and jk video here, thats too gross. And yeah ren does look very girly than those boys who acts like girl! especially look at his legs, thats too much polished even for a korean man.
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Ah I noticed something...he is at same age as t4e, 95 liner. Old pics were definitely more girly, cause he was going through puberty, you can see the same girly effect in other male idols too, its common in korea.

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You can see here he has no effect of a girl anyways when he is grown up.

Yeah T4e is like a gem for beetees. AFAIK many people got into beetees because of him. And now here, in this forum too, you can see almost everyone has a soft spot for t4e from "wanna be saved" perspective. I wonder myself too what if he is acting sad or a little bit different from others, or its a strategy, to gain attention from armys to get mother feeling and from people like us to feel pity, who knows!

Ok I just realized. The interview I'm talking about thats from 8 months ago. I'm feeling now they all are exploited and exploiters too, some are more, some are less. I take that blonde hair as the representation of presidential sex model like their inspiration marlyn monroe.
Jh0p3, g!m!n and one eyed had blonde hair+ lollipop, pink/pinkish red juice and heart papers respectively=they are exploited+ exploiters too.
Actually same goes for t4e too. He didn't have blonde hair, but advertising himself+ eating chocolate, meaning exploited+ exploiter too.
A lot of fans feel tender for the maknae line. I don't see this level of babying with the hyung like NJ and Jh. I wanted to ask you about this post.


I played the BTS World game. There's a special video you can unlock of Tae. He tells Jk to drink more milk to get big and strong like him. It was harmless enough except for the video. He's holding a glass of milk and it's very weird. He's looking sexually at the camera person in a very, very erotic way, looking them up and down to the private area.

I don't know if he does it intentionally, but he's extremely effeminate in his mannerisms and behavior. I saw a post on this forum that said a lot of his '4D' behavior was actually him acting gay. I won't assume his sexuality but that's so odd that a young boy would do that.

Edit. Good luck with your exams!
he could one of those kpop transgender
That's what he looks like. His voice was very high and he looks like a woman. Even when he buffed up, he was feminine. Maybe he took hormones? I wonder if some of them take hormones like Jk and Tae.
 

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He gets scared around 1:10 and stops acting silly.

about the expression on t4e's face don't look too much from the video, he is an actor, i mean everyone is not only him, not 100% what is shown is actually
Look at this video when he was very young, everyone feels sorry because the footage shows him being ignored by fans when in reality there is nothing.
 
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about the expression on t4e's face don't look too much from the video, he is an actor, i mean everyone is not only him, not 100% what is shown is actually
Look at this video when he was very young, everyone feels sorry because the footage shows him being ignored by fans when in reality there is nothing.
They act so much it's hard to know what's real and what's manipulation. I usually try not to believe anything they put out but it was strange.
 
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You are right. It wasn't only t4e, jh0p3 and another member was also ignored but camera was focused only on t4e here so it looks its a mistreatment or such.

Maybe he was instructed something from behind the camera, its common. He was actually preparing to sing his part thats why he stopped.
They are controlled even in the concert too, when to turn around, wait for armys cheer etc. Tbh these days I wouldn't be surprised if they are willingly putting on an act of glitch or something awkward, reason why they are cautious of this thread now so acting is not a big deal for them. In 2018 when the thread was thriving very good, everyone here thought beetees might have come up with the lyrics of IDOL from reading this thread, so its not a surprise for me if they are playing specific victim card here.
Edit: I even wonder maknae line act way too much. Take for t4e, I used to think he is getting ignored by members so he looks down atm but now I take that just casual or act. There are actually many compilation throughout youtube of his many types of mistreatment including this too. In my opinion, general people like us getting ignored by friends and family is a big deal for us cause we mostly live there, but celebrities like them get huge attention from fans and public and have all luxuries, and all that nasty behind the scene works they do, comparing to this those mistreatment and how they act look very silly and hillarious to me, I don't think they have any genuine feelings for those silly matters or acting, those are mostly for fans who love to mother them.
Why do they want to be mothered? It's something a narcissist would want, not a mature adult. The maknae line loves the attention and will act silly or flirtatious to get it. They're going to lose it when the fans move on. I think you're both right about the video. The company trains idols to sing, dance, act and media training is a big part of it. I wonder if they're mistreated at all, or if it's part of the act to get more attention. I don't like parasocial idol relationships with their fans. I'm reminded of a parasite, siphoning off the energy of the healthy host.
 
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Don't they show too much narcissm in their songs and mvs? Yes they all are mature adult and thats why maknae line know how to get attention, but I have to admit I don't see any of those behaviors from the hyung line, tbh if they would do that would be looking cringy. I also don't think they are actually mistreated. They put on the show of that. You will see time to time someone is getting cut off from posters or acting sick which look intentional to me. Their company knows this is how they can get attention from delusional armys thats too easy haha
The fans get more and more obsessed with btees. The company knows this and everything is calculated. They do everything for a reason, and that's to separate the fans from their money, energy and love. They are parasites. Feeding off Army and the fans are begging for more. If anyone is mistreated, it's Army but they think it's love. The group is pimping Army to bring them awards, money and attention.
 

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New video of Unicef against violence, sign BTS:
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We see the members enlightened the hearts of people, beautiful message, except that given the place ... You should know that the definition of Lucifer is the light carrier looking further, I discovered that the finish of Lucifer is the man and not Satan. I have already started to develop the subject. Otherwise, the position where they put their hands on the mug, makes me think of:
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The flow of energy also reminded me of the plasma ball. Even if that if more think about:
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than a ball.
What my real bother, is in the room where they are, they are sensing to be in the heart, but the room looks like the eye.

And as we know them, The Simpsons also shows the event with Donald Trump:
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I just noticed that it is the planet that he touches on the image of politicians.

While reviewing the series 'Charmed' (an American series, showing three witches, a source for witches (although it seems that it has errors) I thought back to the scene of the first picture, where the members of BTS around the hole, appears in an episode of the series. The character of Baltazar a demon (who looks like Darth Maul from 'Star Wars' (Freemasons Films, I work, precisely on the description of the films)), (they also do reference to 'Harry Potter', of Freemason inspiration and of the grandmother JK Rowling who would have been a witch, the inspirations coming from the books of his grandmother), the demon teleports and arrives in the room, from the scene that follows. The hole in the scene has the shape of the round symbol in the center point (symbol of the phalus), Baltazar being above, there we cannot see it:
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The three surrounding people, wearing the same outfits as BTS, but completely in red and additionally featuring a moon on the outfit:
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In recent episodes of 'Paw Stars', one of the salesmen brings back a Freemason object, used to make the member believe that he is being branded, before the member is blindfolded, then is disbanded after the action showing that what happened is wrong, which looks like an act of an illusionist.

By rereading quickly, the book Freemason. In the chapter of the French revolution, the author notes that freedom is false and that the rites serve a (if I am not mistaken in the word), liberation. In short, he says that they are slaves, what makes me sad is that the rituals kill them see the replacements when I see the eyes of members? in black magicians, who are at this time demons. He practices at each meal, an energy exchange with an altar (which I have already mentioned). Another thing, they psychologically kill their member, my cousin, thought he was dead, the last time I spoke to him...
 
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I just noticed that it is the planet that he touches on the image of politicians.

While reviewing the series 'Charmed' (an American series, showing three witches, a source for witches (although it seems that it has errors) I thought back to the scene of the first picture, where the members of BTS around the hole, appears in an episode of the series. The character of Baltazar a demon (who looks like Darth Maul from 'Star Wars' (Freemasons Films, I work, precisely on the description of the films)), (they also do reference to 'Harry Potter', of Freemason inspiration and of the grandmother JK Rowling who would have been a witch, the inspirations coming from the books of his grandmother), the demon teleports and arrives in the room, from the scene that follows. The hole in the scene has the shape of the round symbol in the center point (symbol of the phalus), Baltazar being above, there we cannot see it:
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The three surrounding people, wearing the same outfits as BTS, but completely in red and additionally featuring a moon on the outfit:
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In recent episodes of 'Paw Stars', one of the salesmen brings back a Freemason object, used to make the member believe that he is being branded, before the member is blindfolded, then is disbanded after the action showing that what happened is wrong, which looks like an act of an illusionist.

By rereading quickly, the book Freemason. In the chapter of the French revolution, the author notes that freedom is false and that the rites serve a (if I am not mistaken in the word), liberation. In short, he says that they are slaves, what makes me sad is that the rituals kill them see the replacements when I see the eyes of members? in black magicians, who are at this time demons. He practices at each meal, an energy exchange with an altar (which I have already mentioned). Another thing, they psychologically kill their member, my cousin, thought he was dead, the last time I spoke to him...
This may be unrelated but the actor who plays Balthazar also plays a being on Marvel's Runaways.
On that show, they sacrifice teens to feed an otherworldly being who gives them each something they wanted but demands a sacrifice in return. They do this every year until they get caught by their kids who are now the same age as their victims. The being feeds from the kid's energy, turning young again. They runaway, using powers in some cases, and technology and brains in others to defeat their parents. One of the children is a witch. She uses a magical staff to control her powers.
 

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A lot of fans feel tender for the maknae line. I don't see this level of babying with the hyung like NJ and Jh. I wanted to ask you about this post.


I played the BTS World game. There's a special video you can unlock of Tae. He tells Jk to drink more milk to get big and strong like him. It was harmless enough except for the video. He's holding a glass of milk and it's very weird. He's looking sexually at the camera person in a very, very erotic way, looking them up and down to the private area.

I don't know if he does it intentionally, but he's extremely effeminate in his mannerisms and behavior. I saw a post on this forum that said a lot of his '4D' behavior was actually him acting gay. I won't assume his sexuality but that's so odd that a young boy would do that.

Edit. Good luck with your exams!

That's what he looks like. His voice was very high and he looks like a woman. Even when he buffed up, he was feminine. Maybe he took hormones? I wonder if some of them take hormones like Jk and Tae.
i don't know but in the case of Jungkook and Taehyung, you could see their manly traits even if they are femininize
 
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Yeah I noticed it too. But they are showing loss of innocence and temptation from blood, sweat and tears era, they must have become more horrible after years. I can sense molestation in this concept.
Is it possible that they were trafficked in different countries or to sponsors from an early age? The maknae line acts odd sometimes. There's videos of them doing things that go beyond playing around. Have you seen how Jk puts anything in his mouth? He imitated something on a party hat that was odd for a guy his age. Jin used to perv on him, rubbing his nipples and tried it with Taehyung during the shooting of Boy in Luv.
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i don't know but in the case of Jungkook and Taehyung, you could see their manly traits even if they are femininize
I can see them with Jungkook but less with Tae. Which manly traits do you see with them?
 

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People like them won't be making concepts without any reason. Ever since I saw the pink liquid in this poster, I knew it has disturbing meaning bacause they already made a mv about that but I had to find more things.

First of all, DYNAMITE mv was similar to katy perry's THIS IS HOW WE DO. Both had food symbols and p3d0 meanings.
+Both had basket ball, beach, ice cream, ping-pong references but couldn't find the meaning of the first 2.
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-TIHWD

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-DYNAMITE

A little bit out of bitis; we all know THIS IS HOW WE SO and YUMMY mv is about p***doph*lia. They both had daisy symbol and there is a disturbing slang meaning of it.
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Anyways, the reason I bring out DYNAMITE, TIHWD and YUMMY because their new concept might have the same meaning.

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Notice it has a pink liquid in a wine glass which is often used as the symbol adrenochrome or blood. The color of oxidized adrenochrome is pink. It has been highlighted in YUMMY too. On this table only jb had the pink liquid but others were red.


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Bread and butter has a slang meaning,
"This one really is quite rude. Back in the 1800s their filthy minds were drawn to the slipperiness of two buttered pieces of bread sliding against one another. Naturally, it became innuendo for sex. "

Again, pancake and butter, showed in TIHWD separately have sexual meanings.
In a nutshell, they are referring to children again!
Bread is also not out of it.

BON APPETIT, which shows cannibalism, and YUMMY all had bread as main food, bitis concept is also no different.

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With heart symbols in this context, they basically mean lolita concept(look at the concept photo)+ notice the color usage, cyan and pink color here also means the same. Bonus: katy was wearing a pizza dress.
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Anyways, I'm having a feeling their concept is getting darker again.
+Ok...I searched for more symbols after reading some of your posts and as @MariMarrie said, I also think it has bisexual theme.

Bisexual lighting mainly consists of neon pink/red, purple and blue and sometimes green shade too. They had all the color of it.
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As I compared their concept with THIS IS HOW WE DO before, that mv has bisexual theme too beside p3d0 theme.

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You can see they used floating fish here and fish itself has a very interesting meaning in urban dictionary that fits 100% with this theme.

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1. The photo I have shared above of TIHWD shows some men with women.

2. And now here, for the second meaning, from the same mv--
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2 transgender women with flat chest, holding 2 balloons, with men wearing same outfit as before, holding "the daisy" that has an disturbing meaning.

Balloon----
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Notice those men and women fulfilled two conditions of the meaning fish so it means they showed bisexual men who were primarily gay.

The same photographic flashlight with bisexual lighting is in bitis concept.
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You can get some interesting meanings of it in 3 and 4 no. but I don't wanna attach here.

As @Strawberrypie said, some of them are shown in erotic pose and has p0rn0graphic theme. J!n is also shown with balloons that can have the same meaning as mentioned above.

But also they flashed suddenly yellow to red balloons too that has a scary story from the movie ''It''.
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"According to the Wiki set up to explain It and his powers, the red balloon is an illusion — one of many — that can be created to lure It's victims to their deaths. Seeing as this scary presence can take the form of anything he chooses but he chooses to become a clown, it's only fitting that It's would deploy the use of balloons. "

They could be showing how they lure children to fall for as their victim with that red balloon, as it already has p3d0 or m0l3stat!on theme. At the end j!n flew it high too just like the movie. In a nutshell they are showing p0rn0graphic, bisexual theme and MORE just like TIHWD.
 
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Is it possible that they were trafficked in different countries or to sponsors from an early age? The maknae line acts odd sometimes. There's videos of them doing things that go beyond playing around. Have you seen how Jk puts anything in his mouth? He imitated something on a party hat that was odd for a guy his age. Jin used to perv on him, rubbing his nipples and tried it with Taehyung during the shooting of Boy in Luv.

I can see them with Jungkook but less with Tae. Which manly traits do you see with them?
Oh yeah Ive seen all that. They were very young at that time. Jk was too young when his parents sent him to abroad with strangers. That seemed too careless for his parents. Taes parents also did the same. I don't know much about jimin. I blame their parents for not taking care about them at first. But alot of time has past already. I understand from where you are coming from about them. But they are already grown up, all of them are age ranged 24-30 years old, they have all the sense what they are doing. I did consider about the maknae line but, dynamite and new poster is saying the maknae line also have crossed that considertion, simply saying they also have entered the next generation of abusers or starting to get into that.
+Ok...I searched for more symbols after reading some of your posts and as @MariMarrie said, I also think it has bisexual theme.

Bisexual lighting mainly consists of neon pink/red, purple and blue and sometimes green shade too. They had all the color of it.
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As I compared their concept with THIS IS HOW WE DO before, that mv has bisexual theme too beside p3d0 theme.

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You can see they used floating fish here and fish itself has a very interesting meaning in urban dictionary that fits 100% with this theme.

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1. The photo I have shared above of TIHWD shows some men with women.

2. And now here, for the second meaning, from the same mv--
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2 transgender women with flat chest, holding 2 balloons, with men wearing same outfit as before, holding "the daisy" that has an disturbing meaning.

Balloon----

Notice those men and women fulfilled two conditions of the meaning fish so it means they showed bisexual men who were primarily gay.

The same photographic flashlight with bisexual lighting is in bitis concept.
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You can get some interesting meanings of it in 3 and 4 no. but I don't wanna attach here.

As @Strawberrypie said, some of them are shown in erotic pose and has p0rn0graphic theme. J!n is also shown with balloons that can have the same meaning as mentioned above.

But also they flashed suddenly yellow to red balloons too that has a scary story from the movie ''It''.
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"According to the Wiki set up to explain It and his powers, the red balloon is an illusion — one of many — that can be created to lure It's victims to their deaths. Seeing as this scary presence can take the form of anything he chooses but he chooses to become a clown, it's only fitting that It's would deploy the use of balloons. "

They could be showing how they lure children to fall for as their victim with that red balloon, as it already has p3d0 or m0l3stat!on theme. At the end j!n flew it high too just like the movie. In a nutshell they are showing p0rn0graphic, bisexual theme and MORE just like TIHWD.
Wow you put out your analysis so well!! The bisexual part reminds me of a few days what @130713wdydi other members discussed about homosexuality and duality, which can affect greatly on armys. I think they have already entered that dark age and we can see the affect in few months.
 

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Oh yeah Ive seen all that. They were very young at that time. Jk was too young when his parents sent him to abroad with strangers. That seemed too careless for his parents. Taes parents also did the same. I don't know much about jimin. I blame their parents first for not taking care about them at first. But alot of time has past. I understand from where you are coming from about them. But they are already grown up, all of them are age ranged 24-30 years old, they have all the sense what they are doing. I did consider about the maknae line but, dynamite and new poster is saying the maknae line also have crossed that considertion, simply saying they also have entered the next generation of abusers or starting to get into that.

Wow your analysis is amazing!! The bisexual part reminds me of a few days what @130713wdydi said about homosexuality and duality, which can affect greatly on armys. I think they have already entered that dark age.
where did t@e's parents send him to? i only knew about j k
 

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Is it possible that they were trafficked in different countries or to sponsors from an early age? The maknae line acts odd sometimes. There's videos of them doing things that go beyond playing around. Have you seen how Jk puts anything in his mouth? He imitated something on a party hat that was odd for a guy his age. Jin used to perv on him, rubbing his nipples and tried it with Taehyung during the shooting of Boy in Luv.

I can see them with Jungkook but less with Tae. Which manly traits do you see with them?
for manly traits i mean wide jaws, adam's apple and so on ..
 

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Oh yeah Ive seen all that. They were very young at that time. Jk was too young when his parents sent him to abroad with strangers. That seemed too careless for his parents. Taes parents also did the same. I don't know much about jimin. I blame their parents for not taking care about them at first. But alot of time has past already. I understand from where you are coming from about them. But they are already grown up, all of them are age ranged 24-30 years old, they have all the sense what they are doing. I did consider about the maknae line but, dynamite and new poster is saying the maknae line also have crossed that considertion, simply saying they also have entered the next generation of abusers or starting to get into that.

Wow you put out your analysis so well!! The bisexual part reminds me of a few days what @130713wdydi other members discussed about homosexuality and duality, which can affect greatly on armys. I think they have already entered that dark age and we can see the affect in few months.
their parents were greedy and just want money ...
 
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for manly traits i mean wide jaws, adam's apple and so on ..
I thought you meant behavior lol. I see those too.
To grandmother's place without taking care of him by themselves when they were already looking after other children.
I always side eye him when he starts praising his father. They didn't raise him yet he wants to be just like him.
+Ok...I searched for more symbols after reading some of your posts and as @MariMarrie said, I also think it has bisexual theme.

Bisexual lighting mainly consists of neon pink/red, purple and blue and sometimes green shade too. They had all the color of it.
View attachment 55475

As I compared their concept with THIS IS HOW WE DO before, that mv has bisexual theme too beside p3d0 theme.

View attachment 55476

You can see they used floating fish here and fish itself has a very interesting meaning in urban dictionary that fits 100% with this theme.

View attachment 55477

1. The photo I have shared above of TIHWD shows some men with women.

2. And now here, for the second meaning, from the same mv--
View attachment 55478
2 transgender women with flat chest, holding 2 balloons, with men wearing same outfit as before, holding "the daisy" that has an disturbing meaning.

Balloon----

Notice those men and women fulfilled two conditions of the meaning fish so it means they showed bisexual men who were primarily gay.

The same photographic flashlight with bisexual lighting is in bitis concept.
View attachment 55481
You can get some interesting meanings of it in 3 and 4 no. but I don't wanna attach here.

As @Strawberrypie said, some of them are shown in erotic pose and has p0rn0graphic theme. J!n is also shown with balloons that can have the same meaning as mentioned above.

But also they flashed suddenly yellow to red balloons too that has a scary story from the movie ''It''.
View attachment 55482
View attachment 55483
"According to the Wiki set up to explain It and his powers, the red balloon is an illusion — one of many — that can be created to lure It's victims to their deaths. Seeing as this scary presence can take the form of anything he chooses but he chooses to become a clown, it's only fitting that It's would deploy the use of balloons. "

They could be showing how they lure children to fall for as their victim with that red balloon, as it already has p3d0 or m0l3stat!on theme. At the end j!n flew it high too just like the movie. In a nutshell they are showing p0rn0graphic, bisexual theme and MORE just like TIHWD.
The red balloons chilled my blood. Have you seen the movie It? The villain is a clown who lures children to their death. He carries a bouquet of red balloons. I personally found the first version scarier than the second. That picture reminds me of that. The yellow balloons remind me of Watchmen. That movie is about the optimism of the 40s turning to hell, seen through the loves of superheroes, some of whom hew closer to villains than saviors. The show Utopian makes use of a lot of yellow, especially in the first one. It's about a group of people who find out about plagues that a covert group is releasing. They hide clues in a comic book called Utopian. One of the main characters is a girl who was experimented on as a child. It's very good but was cancelled recently. Hate to be that person, but maybe they're trying to evoke a response or create a mood with this video? They use happy items in a very dark surrounding. It's also a possiblity they're just using our ideas. Either way, that makes them weird in my opinion.
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Oh yeah Ive seen all that. They were very young at that time. Jk was too young when his parents sent him to abroad with strangers. That seemed too careless for his parents. Taes parents also did the same. I don't know much about jimin. I blame their parents for not taking care about them at first. But alot of time has past already. I understand from where you are coming from about them. But they are already grown up, all of them are age ranged 24-30 years old, they have all the sense what they are doing. I did consider about the maknae line but, dynamite and new poster is saying the maknae line also have crossed that considertion, simply saying they also have entered the next generation of abusers or starting to get into that.

Wow you put out your analysis so well!! The bisexual part reminds me of a few days what @130713wdydi other members discussed about homosexuality and duality, which can affect greatly on armys. I think they have already entered that dark age and we can see the affect in few months.
The group txt is under btees influence. Someone made a video showing Yeonjun doing the hip thrust from bapsae. The boys also have Tae manage them. They're starting to do a lot of the same fan service and questionable content a lot sooner than btees did.

Why would a parent let someone they don't know have their kids in a dorm, away from their family and vulnerable to predators. I saw a picture of Jk's mom. She looked very young. Maybe she didn't think about what could happen to him. The group has said they raised him. I find that very sad. A bunch of children raised themselves. Now, they're trying to do the same things to a new generation.
 
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their parents were greedy and just want money ...
They went with them to sign the second contracts. Those are grown men. There was a rumor about the parents suing because they were being filmed while sick or injured. But I didn't hear anything more about it.
 
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