Entertainment x BTS x Politics x EXPOSED

first member to leave BTS (not military or health related)

  • Taehyung

  • Yoongi

  • Jin

  • Hoseok

  • Jimin

  • Namjoon

  • Jungkook


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queen82

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It's okay. It just seemed to me like you misunderstood my question. I found it to be a creepy coincidence how similar the Beatles and BTS look. But you're probably right, it's highly unlikely that Bang planned that. Especially since it would've been hard to tell that BTS would be so popular in America. But if you consider how much references there are in their music videos, of song names and release dates, as if someone planned BTS's whole career years before, it gives me chills.

I agree with what you're saying about the interview. I think there's a lot of truth in what B-free said, which is probably why it stung Yoongi so much. (I remember Army speculating that Yoongi was roasting Bfree in Cypher:Killer. If that's true, he must've seriously struck a nerve):
My flow job catches all the noname rappers
who think they’re all that and cajoles them
You can try to get to me with those little words
but I’ll just become stronger, it’s a wonder
I’m a starfish that eats and grows on your jealousy and envy

As you know, my voice will turn you on
Whether it’s a guy or girl,
my tongue will make you come
On this food chain,
I’m always on the top of the top
My craziness won’t stop
Even if someone betrays me from behind
When you all are playing, we’re heading toward the world
All you older hyungs who are getting older by the day
In my standards, you all are like babies
Whether you call me wack or fake
Whatever it is, I’m a new standard to kpop

This rap will cut through your ears
A slap to your ears like a storm,
chop chop chop

I think one of the most interesting things about that interview, is that it happened half a year after BTS debuted. Yeah, they knew they were now "idols", but they were still very hiphop-ish, compared to the mess they have become now. They probably had no idea what BTS would become 3 years later.
And yeah, it's so interesting how Yoongi even then was trying to hammer how hard it was for him as an underground rapper. How stupid was that to say that to other underground rappers who are far too familiar with that reality? What did he expect? The fact that it was hard for him, as it is for any underground rapper, and then he says he doesn't understand why B-free said "temptation" was just such a fascinating moment for me.
And like you've said, music isn't something you do for money. No sane artist puts all of their eggs in one basket.
But I'm not surprised that Yoongi was so defensive. Imagine being roasted like that by real rappers infront of your fans. It must've been mortifying.

I agree with what you're saying about Yoongi's music probably not being that good. I remember reading an interview where Yoongi said that back then he was very arrogant and thought his beats were the best, and that he wouldn't take critisism. So who knows if Yoongi would've succeeded if he hadn't joined BTS. I think he has a spark of talent both when it comes to writing beats and lyrics, and at the same time it's hard to judge, because how much of that is 100% his own effort and not the help of company producers?
I obviously dont know what it is, but I have a strong feeling that Yoongi didn't leave because if he did, and he failed, that would've destroyed his illusion of what a "genius" he is when he isn't a part of BTS. Until he actually tries to stand on his own two feet and learn to walk, I don't think he'll ever mature as an artist. Sadly, it seems like it's the last thing he'd wanna do.
Maybe that's why Yoongi keeps repeating the story of how hard it was for him, starving, barely making any money, maybe he's telling that story not for the fans, but for himself? To remind himself that if it weren't for BTS, his life might've been much more difficult?

By the way, why did you say Beyoncé/Billie Eilish arent singers? I'm kind of confused, especially about Beyoncé. Is she actually not that good? I mean, she's a huge name, I thought she's considered a high-class singer.

I understand a lot of what you're feeling. I also feel very disappointed about them. Interestingly, I think I would also say that if it weren't for Yoongi and Tae (and maybe also Kook) I dont think I would care much for the group.
I was also looking forward to Yoongi's 2nd mixtape. Even though I've completely lost interesting in BTS music at that point.
Oh yeah, I totally agree about Tae's voice back then. It was so memorable and unique. I'm quite baffled as to what happened. I know you've said before that it seems he doesn't practice enough, but to me it seems like there's more to it. Do you think it's possible for him, with enough training, to get that old voice back? Or has he ruined it forever?
I used to think that because Jimins voice seems to be so popular, that maybe Tae is trying to mimic him and make his voice similar to him, but I'm not sure.


I can't stand Black Swan. The obnoxious snare drum and the overbearing 808s drive me insane. And those stupid "Do your thang, What's my thang", seriously, who thought that was good writing?
BUT, someone made such a pretty version out of that song, I didn't think it could be possible.
i think it was do your thing, what's my thing , the exact lines
 

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It doesn’t sound as if he ruined his voice in a way that’s irreparable, when I talked about him ruining his voice, I was talking in a way where everything that was so special about it is gone, including technique, the soul in the sound, the general ambience, etc.

with a good teacher within one year including test performances to avoid going into old habits while on stage, he could see some improvements.

as far as the actual state of his voice goes, it’s a clear sign of lack of practice.

  1. pitch (hitting the right notes);
  2. Overall sound as a result of the vocal chords/muscles shaping themselves through practice giving a full secure sound;
  3. His intonation sounding like yawning. He uses tension in the back of his jaw/throat as a ultimate way trying to hit the right notes. An example being Dimple. Comparing his intonation to Jungkook’s. Jungkook sounds flawless and natural, Taehyung’s tone sounds like from the back of the car, very nasal (it gotten worse over the years due to lack of practice) and forced. It’s a common occurrence - forcing the tone when insecure about intonation.


Now that I know from what you posed when the interview was made, I can see why Yoongi wrote what he wrote and I second everything you mentioned.

I also share the same opinion that by leaving the band, he would have to face the reality of who he is as a rapper, at this moment through BTS he’s the God of that niche.



Yes, Beyoncé is the worst singer America ever had, the worst singer to be pushed. She and Jay Z are also involved in the worst stories of all kinds.

Both having made career by stealing from others.

This post is just a short example



https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/entertainment-x-bts-x-politics-x-exposed.7556/post-390754





Grammys 2015: Ledisi Responds to Beyonce Performing Her “Selma” Track



They got rid of every single not just singer, that wouldn’t have been enough, but especially BLACK female singers, to make her “the queen”, especially since at that time there were numerous great black singers.

Beyoncé stopped singing live when she started solo, the few occasions she sang live it wasn’t fully live and always with backtrack.

Her voice is a bad singing voice and she never made any progress. Which is why she’s doing playback.

In addition to that, there is no other female singer in the USA or England since she started solo...

Same goes for Adele.

Both sound like the typical choir singer which you put in the background and not lead part (which choir also has).

In both cases, you won’t find one bad article about the voice or lack of it. Only worshiping ones.

Aretha managed to sing live at the inauguration. Not Beyoncé...even when she got caught they waited until shit got too obvious and had to admit to the fakery. The thing with the national anthem is that you can hear every single mistake. It’s a clear song. You can also hear lack of voice (Lady Gaga 2021 Biden was embarrassingly bad)

Amongst many issues, she just screams and has no vibrato. Which is either a lucky thing of natural inheritance or a “must” otherwise don’t go on stage.

Don’t go on stage if you only scream or can’t do vibrato.



That’s the short version of it.



Billie Eilish only whispers. Hahaha. She does the same thing like Taehyung. Who also whispers a lot when singing low volume because neither of them can sing. So no matter if it’s high or low volume, for both situation you need good control and perfect pitch otherwise you screw it immediately.

Impeccable!







Playback all day long, perfectly mimicked






Not so good faked:






You are right about Tae wanting to imitate Jimin’s voice (?) hahaha. That’s also an unfortunate result of everyone’s jealousy regarding the beauty of the tone he used to have. Including his speaking voice.

Here deep and warm



https://youtu.be/eSCWLkybxXA



Nasal and high pitched



https://youtu.be/wV5v3UOtzpI



As a manager you hold on to this special deep and warm tone. Bang destroyed that and him to push the gay high pitched screams. It looks like they all made Taehyung feel bad for not singing higher. There is no coincidence that even when he speaks now, his voice is higher. He was guilted into believing that his voice is a problem for the band when in fact it was a problem because it was shading everyone else, including Jungkook and doesn’t fit with the agenda of effeminate gays.


The orchestral version was very nice !



BTS’s producers and managers have no idea about music.

Idol’s version from Mama or whatever that was, the version with Korean/Asian instruments was much better than the original.

They talk about “racism” and they don’t even promote own culture and instruments despite the irony of that version sounding better than the Americanized one. Standard loops and computer sounds.
I never liked Beyoncé, but I didn't know she (or whoever pushed her) stole ideas from other artists.
About Adele, to me she technically sounds fine, nothing memorable, but I was very surprised when I heard big producers say something like "what makes Adele special is how much emotion is in her voice", which isn't something I've ever felt. Made me wonder if it was said so dummies would go "well, a pro producer said that, so he's right", like how some people treat film critics. Or maybe it's because people are so sentimental, kinda like just play the right chords and they will cry. Funny thing, one of the songs that made girls cry, like Coldplay's Yellow was written as a joke:
It's interesting what you say about vibrato. Because I personally don't really like it. I don't mind if there's a little bit of it at the end of phrases, but I've noticed singers use vibrato to hide the fact that their voice is very wobbly, and that they're not able to make a long stable note.
Ahaha, when you said Billie Eilish just whispers, that hit me, it's so true. Hearing her dark music makes my skin crawl, but I keep hearing people say "she has such a nice voice", so I assumed she must be at least decent, I just actively avoid her, so I can't say whether she can sing sometimes or not.

Oh I agree that even singing low volume is difficult. Otherwise most singers would be able to do it nicely. It sounds so intimate and vulnerable when a singer can sing well in low volume, it's very nice.

It's so insane to think that Tae was convinced that he needs to change his voice. Why did they even do that? I dont get it. Is it not enough to have 3/4 vocalists to have high voices? Are they deaf? Is it all simply for the sake of their twisted agendas? Or do they care only about what would be popular, like how Jimin's voice seems to be?
I've never noticed that even his speaking voice changed. That's just creepy. He sounds so odd.

Idol with korean instruments? I've never heard of that. And I couldn't find it. Was it really that good?

I completely forgot, also after that B-free interview, another half a year later, during BTS' first year anniversary they wrote a song called "So 4 more". Yoongi's part in it I always found quite curious. Especially now if you compare to the stupid pointless bragging he likes to do, this sounded much more personal:
"...The jealousy and envy, I am imprisoned in a prison called rivalry.
It's suffocating, my future is a sumukhwa.
In my mind, the word "success" means two things.
The things I am supposed to do, and the things I want to do,
In between there stands Gulliver, fuck, I dont give a shit.
Am I living my dream or am I losing it?
I'm not quite sure if my wanted success was postponed.
I put up a smile like a fool, it is only half of the truth.
I'm crying, this is a deffence on my identity.
The oddity of reality gradually gets out of hand, my heart cant take it.
In between my thirst and trouble for music, my sighs get louder."

Also a friend of mine pointed out that in the 2018BTSFesta Yoongi said:
"There is always a part of me, I was scared of how I'm doing so well, but what if I lose everything? What if I fail? I got all serious about that. Not long back, I wrote something. 'I'm afraid of falling, but not landing". Which could be the feelings he put into Shadow.
I don't get it. He can clearly write thought provoking and meaningful lyrics, but then he comes up with a mixtape with the stupid bragging or just pointless songs which sound like 90% rambling.
 

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It doesn’t sound as if he ruined his voice in a way that’s irreparable, when I talked about him ruining his voice, I was talking in a way where everything that was so special about it is gone, including technique, the soul in the sound, the general ambience, etc.

with a good teacher within one year including test performances to avoid going into old habits while on stage, he could see some improvements.

as far as the actual state of his voice goes, it’s a clear sign of lack of practice.

  1. pitch (hitting the right notes);
  2. Overall sound as a result of the vocal chords/muscles shaping themselves through practice giving a full secure sound;
  3. His intonation sounding like yawning. He uses tension in the back of his jaw/throat as a ultimate way trying to hit the right notes. An example being Dimple. Comparing his intonation to Jungkook’s. Jungkook sounds flawless and natural, Taehyung’s tone sounds like from the back of the car, very nasal (it gotten worse over the years due to lack of practice) and forced. It’s a common occurrence - forcing the tone when insecure about intonation.


Now that I know from what you posed when the interview was made, I can see why Yoongi wrote what he wrote and I second everything you mentioned.

I also share the same opinion that by leaving the band, he would have to face the reality of who he is as a rapper, at this moment through BTS he’s the God of that niche.



Yes, Beyoncé is the worst singer America ever had, the worst singer to be pushed. She and Jay Z are also involved in the worst stories of all kinds.

Both having made career by stealing from others.

This post is just a short example



https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/entertainment-x-bts-x-politics-x-exposed.7556/post-390754





Grammys 2015: Ledisi Responds to Beyonce Performing Her “Selma” Track



They got rid of every single not just singer, that wouldn’t have been enough, but especially BLACK female singers, to make her “the queen”, especially since at that time there were numerous great black singers.

Beyoncé stopped singing live when she started solo, the few occasions she sang live it wasn’t fully live and always with backtrack.

Her voice is a bad singing voice and she never made any progress. Which is why she’s doing playback.

In addition to that, there is no other female singer in the USA or England since she started solo...

Same goes for Adele.

Both sound like the typical choir singer which you put in the background and not lead part (which choir also has).

In both cases, you won’t find one bad article about the voice or lack of it. Only worshiping ones.

Aretha managed to sing live at the inauguration. Not Beyoncé...even when she got caught they waited until shit got too obvious and had to admit to the fakery. The thing with the national anthem is that you can hear every single mistake. It’s a clear song. You can also hear lack of voice (Lady Gaga 2021 Biden was embarrassingly bad)

Amongst many issues, she just screams and has no vibrato. Which is either a lucky thing of natural inheritance or a “must” otherwise don’t go on stage.

Don’t go on stage if you only scream or can’t do vibrato.



That’s the short version of it.



Billie Eilish only whispers. Hahaha. She does the same thing like Taehyung. Who also whispers a lot when singing low volume because neither of them can sing. So no matter if it’s high or low volume, for both situation you need good control and perfect pitch otherwise you screw it immediately.

Impeccable!







Playback all day long, perfectly mimicked






Not so good faked:






You are right about Tae wanting to imitate Jimin’s voice (?) hahaha. That’s also an unfortunate result of everyone’s jealousy regarding the beauty of the tone he used to have. Including his speaking voice.

Here deep and warm






Nasal and high pitched



https://youtu.be/wV5v3UOtzpI



As a manager you hold on to this special deep and warm tone. Bang destroyed that and him to push the gay high pitched screams. It looks like they all made Taehyung feel bad for not singing higher. There is no coincidence that even when he speaks now, his voice is higher. He was guilted into believing that his voice is a problem for the band when in fact it was a problem because it was shading everyone else, including Jungkook and doesn’t fit with the agenda of effeminate gays.


The orchestral version was very nice !



BTS’s producers and managers have no idea about music.

Idol’s version from Mama or whatever that was, the version with Korean/Asian instruments was much better than the original.

They talk about “racism” and they don’t even promote own culture and instruments despite the irony of that version sounding better than the Americanized one. Standard loops and computer sounds.
Beyoncè is really overrated and her stans are worster than army











































 

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I like yellow too. Didn’t know it was supposed to be a joke.



I know what kind of vibrato you are referring to, but that’s not real vibrato, it’s being used for the exact reason mentioned by you.

A vibrato is also part of the technique and when it’s bothering, then it’s not good.

There are many types of vibrato, someone who can sing (Whitney for example, as she, Tina Turner were from the last ones who knew how to sing), has a low vibrato in every note - depending of course of the situation/speed/melody.

Adele/Beyoncé they just burst out the notes our of the throat and that’s it. Whenever they try to bring in some vibrato, it sounds worse than before.

This is an example for a perfect vibrato unnoticeable and not just screaming the melody:



This is the idol version I was referring to:




I have it as an audio on my phone and I listen to it, because I like the way the instruments sound, even as a VST plugin (= virtual studio technology).

it is not something common to hear, and it’s sad when you can make so much musically with your own native instruments, that they don’t take advantage of it.


I was nice (as a musician) to read your line about Adele because most of the time people would go and say the opposite, making it difficult to explain to someone why it isn’t the case.

Speaking of emotion, the biggest case of zero-emotion is Amy Winehouse.

She was gifted with a born-sound of the voice which was amazing. Unique. There is no song, no line, not even a single word where she can transmit any emotion, in fact there is zero emotion coming from her. Not just the incapability of transmitting.

Cases like Amy Winehouse are often. When you don’t have to do much but open your mouth, that’s the sound which will come out. Just a sound.

It happens with instrumentalists or dancers as well.

Nowadays there are simply no more critics and there is an agenda of lowering the bar at its lowest so that the elite, the powerful people, can easily pick anyone to control and manipulate the masses.

No need to struggle finding someone good.


Yoongi’s lyrics are of course what draw my attention.

Then the more I’ve listened to it, the worse it got because...how many times are you going to sing/rap about what a hard life you have, in the same way..?

An artist manages to speak about sadness or happiness (basically the two themes of everyone’s life) through different means.

Not the same words, the same sentences all the time for years.

By the 3rd song I stopped believing because it also didn’t fit the profile.

Knowing how life behind poster-guys like him/BTS looks, hearing someone either bragging or complaining over “hardship”, when he isn’t the one practicing all day and all night long until you don’t even know where the day starts, when you slept last time, changed my overall impression.

In general, even their choreography, it’s just about baseless complaining. This buckle poses they always do.

I’ve said once and I am repeating it - people who work, and who even see one penny back from their work, don’t complain.

“Artists” who “struggle”, they struggle over other type of things, not the ones he started mentioning in every song.

If he’s worried that he’s going to loose everything, it must be the fake BTS success. Because if he were a real rapper, a “genius”, no one and no lack of BTS could take that away from him.

He’s just afraid over facing the reality. More then ever, now, BTS has become something not worth a penny and the downfall of their substance must be obvious for Yoongi, but like I’ve once said in a lengthy post I made about him - he’d be the last one to accept a disbanding because given how - at least according to his statement - often he wanted to quit the band, like a Stockholm Syndrom situation, for his psyche to survive, he must tell himself that this situation which ruined him, is what’s saving him.

And even more praise Bang and accept everything.

The guy who says he isn’t part of an industrial product, but a rapper, is the one wearing pink girly outfits, makes hearts for little girls and doesn’t even rap anymore within the band.

Taehyung’s voice always overshadowed the others so it must have been bothering Bang.

You can’t have someone special like he used to be, as a lead singer especially when your favorite is Jungkook, who was a different type back then. He wasn’t that good looking like today and Taehyung was also a visual attraction.

And no, it is apparently not enough to have 3/4 vocalists with high voices...you have to have ALL of them sounding like pussies. I mean actual cats.

Though Yoongi’s and Namjoon’s voices are low/deep. But they’re allowed...for obvious reasons.

Having a rapper with a high pitched voice...well no. Actually I take it back.

Next plan is to have high-pitched-voice rappers.
I forgot to mention, it wasn't in that video for some reason, but in that same interview he literally said that he wrote Yellow to "make my mates giggle". It's so funny how open he is. He wasn't trying to trick anyone and pretend like some snob "hoho, your little mind just doesnt understand the depth of my lyrics", he's just having fun.

Oh yeah, you're totally right. I completely forgot about that Whitney song. I love the beginning of it. It's amazing how without any music she can hold attention. I dont particularly like the song when she begins to sing loudly, but the beginning of it is just magical. I forgot how amazing it's possible to sing. I probably got used to all the trash on the radio. But I feel kinda stupid, because I totally forgot that she used vibrato. Or maybe I didnt notice it, idk.

I totally agree about Amy Winehouse. I really really like her voice, but her singing never touched me. I guess you're right, now that I think about it, there's a lot of "singers" with unique voices, but that's where it ends, they're just unique sounding, but there's nothing soulful about them.

I agree with what you say about Yoongi's lyrics. I got the same feeling. He used to be so good, but for the last few years it's like he's recycling the same ideas over and over. I first thought thats just him saying "I dont give a shit anymore, fans will eat up anything I write", but seeing his interviews, it seems like he's serious? It sucks that it also seems like his world has become very small, because of the fans being biased and just being a celebrity, I don't think he experiences much of life's different aspects to get inspired.
It's like how you said about Jung. They talked about Jung as if they're about to pump out some insanely thought-provoking and philosophical album, and perhaps also because of that high expectation, what they came up with was so...underwhelming. And the Love Yourself trash, I thought they were gonna discuss in their album the difficulties some people have with accepting themselves (especially since obviously Namjoon and Yoongi, at least, have experience with that), or something like that, but in the end it was just talk. The songs barely have anything to do with the topic of the album.
And Jin's solo song "Answer" (yeah right) cemented that:
"Why did I want to hide my precious self.
What made me so afraid that I hid my true self.
I'm the one I should love in this world."
Thanks, captain obvious. Is this supposed to be so inspiring and, as they like to say, empathetic? It's like saying to a depressed person, "You dont like yourself? Well you just should, dont you know?" It's handed as if a revelation, "oh my god, didnt you know we should just love and accept ourselves?" Is this a joke? Do they think their fans are stupid? I mean...I guess if the fans like this kind of stuff, then there's no need to ask, but...it's just so hard to believe.

"The guy who says he isn’t part of an industrial product, but a rapper, is the one wearing pink girly outfits, makes hearts for little girls and doesn’t even rap anymore within the band."
Ahaha, well, to be fair, back then they weren't doing so much fan-service. But I can't imagine how humiliating it must be for a serious artist. I'd feel like I was one of those circus monkeys with a cute little hat on my head, dancing for treats.

Oh wow, that Idol version was very interesting. Though also kind of reminded me how dumb that song is. Do you think they avoid using instruments like that because they want to appeal to America more?

(Sorry, I think I got a bit off topic with this reply)
 
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Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Most "philosophers" throughout history have committed unimaginable crimes and were downright evil/antichrist. For example, Karl Marx and Friedrich Nietzsche.
 

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...that it’s about something else, undisclosed interests of their managers/backers/financiers.
Labor work in China is as ancient as their history.

Or as Nietzsche said - the will to power.
But Jackson is pro- China and said that he won't accept any kind of criticism against his country
 

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Also, unrelated but rm in the video of bts finding out the lost made me laugh so loud. His face didn't sit right with me at all, it's almost like he got humbled when he found out that he lost. I bet his ego was harmed.

I noticed that RM seems to have one of the bigger egos in BTS. A long with taehyung.

He also acts like his superior anytime he speaks english in inetrviews.
the fame got to his head, it's clear
 

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HAHAha! I said it the entire time. But I’m not a public person.

I don't support any kind of dictatorship, but she is actually right with her statement. SK basically does everything the US tells them to do and is not, in any way independent because it is like america's colony in asia
 

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hahaha, ok, let me just say this: out of all people in BTS, JIN is the one where I have serious doubts that he writes anything.
What are the wonderful chances - 7 people, all of them suddenly feeling sorry for themselves, because 5 seconds ago all they did was traveling and playing around day and night, now with issues only army can understand and solve by streaming and buying whatever they/re selling..
Playing the victim is a manipulation tool. It makes the other one feeling superior, not threatened (we're all animals and we all instinctively fight for our place)
All of them suddenly writing the same type of lyrics?

As a test - everyone is invited - I am going to create a BigHit/Hybe/Bang situation, also because this is how things work in a writers circle. They get some words, themes and have to write lyrics based on that.
Beyonce had like 100 writers for a few bad songs. They got together in their Hamptons villa rented for 500k monthly, most likely got high and drunk and 100 people collaborated to some lyrics about how she s$$$ed Jay Z's ding dong in a car. Great.

Imagine a story where you're overwhelmed about life around you (which is the PERFECT scenario for every young person), had a fight with a friend, cried about something, felt like you don't belong anywhere, cold hands, rapid hear beat, the darkness outside in the winter, wishing summer would come only to feel that the warm sun and the happy people outside are bringing your misery more to life than during the dark cold winter.
People around you are pulling in all directions, wanting things from you, the money you just earned was stolen, unconscious you start scratching your hands until they bleed.

As a title - let's say "weather" , or choose your own title, but start with it first and write the rest around it.
Now, based on this scenario write some words, or sentences...it will end up like any other BTS lyrics. Consider that the ghost writers around every "artist", are trained and have been doing this for years. Also to search all data bases for things to steal - also to this there is a Beyonce story how she has an entire team of people looking all over the internet and stealing anything they find, especially from like 50 years ago. The older the better.
Like Single Ladies:



the gay guy talking in the second video should feel ashamed. He says it looks like a copy, but then, watching the whole it is more like an HOMAGE.
WT hell.

xxxxxxxxx

Yes, I believe they didn't used that version to appeal to America, not for "racist" reasons, but for practical ones - America's pop has developed into the worst pop out there. The main purpose is to create music and lyrics as simple as possible. The same loops all over the song.
When they try to create some "weird" beats, is still standard stuff, still easy to digest.
Prodigy is a God compared with any techno, dub step, beats, samples and stolen intellectual art they're using.
One of the best songs and videos of its genre


or this


Nick Cave lost his son. Nick Cave also did a lot of drugs in his life.

This song, especially after minute 3 if you don't like the general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5VGMaG4E4


Yoongi could have saved himself. Like Taehyung and also the rest. This obsession with fame and to not care AT ALL about what you are doing...I don't think Yoongi realizes anymore how bad everything got. Like I've written in my previous post, he's hanging with all he has now to the idea that everything he's doing, everything about BTS / Bang (didn't he played an ode in his Daechwita about him..) / the company is the best, perfect, and all other rappers looser.
Oh, I didnt mean that Jin is a bad lyric writer, he didn't write that song, as far as I know it was slow rabbit, bang, and some other people. I just meant that for a song to be released as a part of a bts album where they talk about such a serious topic, the song is incredibly lacking in meaning and depth.
Before the albums were released, I thought the Love Yourself thing made sense, because they always wrote songs about struggles. That's kind of their thing. Bullet proof boy scouts, as in the shield protecting the youth, or something like that. But I also agree that it is a perfect theme for the youth, because nowadays especially, a lot of young people are feeling overwhelmed. It wouldn't be weird, IF their songs in the Love Yourself albums made sense and had some kind of meaning or understanding, and I naively thought they would. I mean, come on, it takes balls to release a song like N.O. in South Korea. I still like that song, it really hits in the heart even if you haven't struggled with that, you still feel it, you can EMPATHIZE. That's what their new songs lack.

When you put the song process like that, it sounds creepy. Like they're cashing in on the emotional struggles of the youth. I mean, I guess that would make sense why the company was interested in gathering info on the mental issues their fans have. Why else ask about something like that?
I didnt quite get the part about scratching your hands. Did you mean that the topics of songs can influence a listeners mental state? I might be misunderstanding.

Well, could you imagine how terrifying it would be to realize that your company is squeezing you like a cash cow and doesn't actually see you as a human? But like you've said before, it could be just the fear of going on your own and failing. Especially with all the silly trophies bts gets, it can create the illusion for Yoongi, for example, that he's achieved something on his own. Apparently he keeps talking about how he wants a grammy, it's just so sad at this point, how much validation do you need? Isnt this the guy who 5 years ago said that he doesnt care about charts and trophies, as long as he makes good music? It's just scary how much he's changed.

Oh yeah, you're right about "easy to digest" beats. Even when you hear new sounds in their songs, they still feel familiar. It's nothing inovative or surprising. It's like a newer version of the thing before.

You know what, sometimes mainstream "musicians" don't even hide the fact that they steal from smaller artists:
 
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The first slide is just a picture, it's about the rest of the slides.




first pic is from a video shooting and the second one from their visit to the BTS museum last year which has been hyped by their fans all over the news over how cute it was when Taehyung pooled Jungkook to sit with him in the car.
No mater how, what, when, Jimin always looks creepy.
Maybe someone finds a picture of him looking normal, including the way he stares at the camera.



No problem, it is good to always ask if something isn't clear.
I see, because it would timely fit. 2021 would be 5 years.
I doubt China would attack a refinery of their second largest oil supplier with no visible gain. They could simply say to Saudi - hey, we have our own refinery and don't need you anymore. They could say the same to the Russians, since they are the largest supplier.
Additionally, the houthi rebels have been attacking Saudi for years, backed by Iran. This isn't the first time. They've been involved in several similar attacks for years now.
I personally see no connection whatsoever of an involvement China's related to this attack. At least not based on the informations available.

Maybe you could explain why you feel that China has something to do with it, so I could answer to that.

Maybe you could explain why you feel that China has something to do with it.




one word: NOTHING

They bring in money for everyone. A politician and backers isn't ruined or out of the picture, just because he looses an election.
One example : Fox News owned by Murdoch AND his family. An entire family affair.
Apparently : "conservative".
Bullshit, when he knew that they sacked Trump and he ain't gonna win, Murdoch put his lacheys on Fox News (except Tucker Carlson) to lie about Trump, attack him and go full CNN modus operandi against him and republicans.

Same with Moon.
BTS brings in money for not just politicians covering different agendas, but especially for the wealthy people, who don't care who is in power. They own people from both sides. Soros did that everywhere.






hahaha. yes it is.
Apropos dictatorship - North Korea, China. ok. We know it, their citizen know it.
Worst thing about it? Almost all countries Europe's, through the worst plague of "european union/community" has developed in a dictatorship, the only difference to China being that we don't execute, which is actually a proof of corruption.
China executes traitors, those endagering national security, etc.
Europe doesn't punish criminals and countries aren't independent anymore, Europe it is now lead by people behind the curtain, deep state, enslaving citizens, stealing natural resources from countries like Romania, Moldova, Ukraine.
Only Hungary and Poland are somehow independent, backed by Russia.
In China or North Korea you know where you're at.
Canada, Australia, Europe....is a dictatorship where noone cares about their own citizens, it's a gulash meant to get rid of nationalism, of people protecting what belongs to them and a situation where crimes aren't punished anymore, only when you try to speak out the truth.




The part with scratching hands was to create a scenario similar to those given in those circles, creating a fake story, involving "sufferance" , blood, "pain" etc and then it's very easy to write anything when you're given key words/scenario. This was the reason why I invited people to write (for themselves, not necessarily in public) some lyrics build on the story given. To prove that if you're giving some effort, you'll be able to write lyrics similar to those of BTS without having any relation to the story or words written.
But also yes, it influence the state of mind. Especially their target - aren't all BTS and Billie Eilish fans filled with "hardship" and dealing with "mental health issues" ? Suddenly? Just because BTS mentioned?
Aren't BTS constantly using semi-suicidial words and thoughts and their fans desperately trying to get their attention by becoming depressed? Aren't BTS fans feel depressed but also "healed" through BTS's lyrics and music...?.....


What Bang did with that disgusting questionnaire and the lack of backlash should have been the biggest warning. Since their fans are minors, he should have been arrested, or fined for it.
This whole business with boybands is about manipulating young girls.
EVERYTHING about it - the lyrics, the photos, videos, it's an entire process in which people are hired who know what works the best into manipulating young teenagers, especially girls, which isn't very hard. All you need is cute boys, some struggling lyrics, some sentimental appealing to their hormones, the rest is history.

The easiest way to trap teenagers is to tell them that they are trapped, parents/school/life keeps you hostage, you can't do what you want to to and THEY have the answer. Similar to the political game - you are a victim, everything is bad, we have the answer.
It is normal for any teenager to believe this. I was raised more strict and back in my days parents and teachers used to tease the "libertarian" ideologies imported from the west.
I understand why you would like the song, why any young person would like N.O, so based on what I've wrote before, let's take the lyrics:

[Hook: RM]
A good house, a good car, will these things bring happiness?
In Seoul to the SKY, would your parents be happy?
[Verse 1: Jungkook]
Dream is gone, no time to breathe
School, house and PC room is all we have
We live the same life
And have to become number one

For us it's like a double spy between dream and reality

1) they had no idea what owning a car or house means, hence happiness. They didn't even had a driver's license. Prooving - someone else wrote the lyrics, by default they couldn't have known what they talk about, it's standard things especially to attract young people who (correctly) are being told, that if you work and learn through school you would get a good job, earn a house, have a car - HELL YEAH. Nowadays governments want to take your car and house so owning a house that noone can take away is actually quite important.

2) I did not had a PC, nor a PC room, nor a house and for many people being accepted into a good school is a dream already.
BTS didn't even went to school/highschool as you know from what I've pointed out in the past.
So no, they don't live the same life like you or others, because you probably had to go home and learn for school.

3) what dream what reality. They use some farfetched lyrics again to attract young people and worsening the already sensitive situation of teenagers always thinking everything sucks.

[Verse 2: Suga]
Who is the one who made us into study machines?
It's either number one or a failure
They trap us in borders, the adults
There’s no choice but to consent
Even if we think simply, it’s the survival of the fittest

Who do you think is the one who makes us step on even our close friends to climb up? What?

come again?? "study machines" ?
where. when.
Already talked about teenagers thinking adults are the worst, trapping them.
"No choice but to consent"
Yes, there are plenty reasons for that - brain isn't even fully developed until 20 or so !
You give full consent to a child/minor/young person -- they'll be dead within one month.
Stepping on close friends to climb up..please...such a kitsch to pretend he knows what he's talking about.. The only one who stepped on someone is Bang.

[Pre-Chorus: V, Jungkook]
Adults tell me that hardships are only momentary
To endure a little more, to do it later
[Chorus: All, Jungkook, Jimin]
Everybody say NO!
It's not going to work anymore

Don't be captured in others dreams
We roll (We roll) We roll (We roll) We roll
Everybody say NO!
It has to be now
We've done nothing yet
We roll (We roll) We roll (We roll) We roll


Everybody say NO!


They are basically telling young people to tell adults how things are...hahahahaha.
"others dreams" ? This isn't an original though and if we''re talking about "others dreams"...they are Bang's monkeys who made a at least 2,7Billion fortune out of them. Yet they can't figure it out?? After 11 years..

The same goes for the rest of the song, no need to quote the entire text. Except one verse:

"Adults say that we have it so easy"

Yes. And they still have it. They act and think like children who have no idea about the evil that's going on in the world, because they don't learn, don't read, don't collect information, yet think they know better.
Yes, as a young person you have it easier, because you have no clue about how evil the world is and what real problems are.


hahaha, Katy Perry, like Beyonce, like everyone else, use the word "inspiration" every time they STEAL.
There is NOTHING in that Katy Perry's song which fits the definition of the word "inspiration". Only intellectual theft.
Saudi Arabia is closely related to America, right (cmiiw bcs iam not update)? For what I know 1ndonesia hve an intimate relationship with Ch1na but around Dec 2020 1ndo starting more approach to Saudi (I read several articles that Saudi will lend and more invest there than before, maybe the country is in economic problems idk) but it seems that the new agreement is not final yet,

The oil refinery that burned yesterday in 1ndonesi is a state-owned company and maybe a big loss for the country and make the situation worse during a pandemic the easiest way to get up is to ask for help from Ch1na, who has been familiar and has indeed been working together to build a joint refinery in 2016, is it possible for Iran to give a signal before to Saudia? so that saudi does not help 1ndonesia if it asking for help?So that 1ndonesia still depends on Ch1na?(i don't know whether this is true or not,but 1ndonesia is a potential area for OBOR ch1na but most of the citizens re againts it),

that's just my speculation but I want to hear your opinion because in my opinion you understand better and I'm also afraid to be too distracted in thinking, I have always had a lot of suspicion about ch1na, and i hve a think that burned refinery in 1ndonesia is sabotage too bcs the ch1na-1ran refinery build in same island with the burned one

I found this, pompeo visit 1ndonesi before biden inagurated...
 
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The first slide is just a picture, it's about the rest of the slides.




first pic is from a video shooting and the second one from their visit to the BTS museum last year which has been hyped by their fans all over the news over how cute it was when Taehyung pooled Jungkook to sit with him in the car.
No mater how, what, when, Jimin always looks creepy.
Maybe someone finds a picture of him looking normal, including the way he stares at the camera.



No problem, it is good to always ask if something isn't clear.
I see, because it would timely fit. 2021 would be 5 years.
I doubt China would attack a refinery of their second largest oil supplier with no visible gain. They could simply say to Saudi - hey, we have our own refinery and don't need you anymore. They could say the same to the Russians, since they are the largest supplier.
Additionally, the houthi rebels have been attacking Saudi for years, backed by Iran. This isn't the first time. They've been involved in several similar attacks for years now.
I personally see no connection whatsoever of an involvement China's related to this attack. At least not based on the informations available.

Maybe you could explain why you feel that China has something to do with it, so I could answer to that.

Maybe you could explain why you feel that China has something to do with it.




one word: NOTHING

They bring in money for everyone. A politician and backers isn't ruined or out of the picture, just because he looses an election.
One example : Fox News owned by Murdoch AND his family. An entire family affair.
Apparently : "conservative".
Bullshit, when he knew that they sacked Trump and he ain't gonna win, Murdoch put his lacheys on Fox News (except Tucker Carlson) to lie about Trump, attack him and go full CNN modus operandi against him and republicans.

Same with Moon.
BTS brings in money for not just politicians covering different agendas, but especially for the wealthy people, who don't care who is in power. They own people from both sides. Soros did that everywhere.






hahaha. yes it is.
Apropos dictatorship - North Korea, China. ok. We know it, their citizen know it.
Worst thing about it? Almost all countries Europe's, through the worst plague of "european union/community" has developed in a dictatorship, the only difference to China being that we don't execute, which is actually a proof of corruption.
China executes traitors, those endagering national security, etc.
Europe doesn't punish criminals and countries aren't independent anymore, Europe it is now lead by people behind the curtain, deep state, enslaving citizens, stealing natural resources from countries like Romania, Moldova, Ukraine.
Only Hungary and Poland are somehow independent, backed by Russia.
In China or North Korea you know where you're at.
Canada, Australia, Europe....is a dictatorship where noone cares about their own citizens, it's a gulash meant to get rid of nationalism, of people protecting what belongs to them and a situation where crimes aren't punished anymore, only when you try to speak out the truth.




The part with scratching hands was to create a scenario similar to those given in those circles, creating a fake story, involving "sufferance" , blood, "pain" etc and then it's very easy to write anything when you're given key words/scenario. This was the reason why I invited people to write (for themselves, not necessarily in public) some lyrics build on the story given. To prove that if you're giving some effort, you'll be able to write lyrics similar to those of BTS without having any relation to the story or words written.
But also yes, it influence the state of mind. Especially their target - aren't all BTS and Billie Eilish fans filled with "hardship" and dealing with "mental health issues" ? Suddenly? Just because BTS mentioned?
Aren't BTS constantly using semi-suicidial words and thoughts and their fans desperately trying to get their attention by becoming depressed? Aren't BTS fans feel depressed but also "healed" through BTS's lyrics and music...?.....


What Bang did with that disgusting questionnaire and the lack of backlash should have been the biggest warning. Since their fans are minors, he should have been arrested, or fined for it.
This whole business with boybands is about manipulating young girls.
EVERYTHING about it - the lyrics, the photos, videos, it's an entire process in which people are hired who know what works the best into manipulating young teenagers, especially girls, which isn't very hard. All you need is cute boys, some struggling lyrics, some sentimental appealing to their hormones, the rest is history.

The easiest way to trap teenagers is to tell them that they are trapped, parents/school/life keeps you hostage, you can't do what you want to to and THEY have the answer. Similar to the political game - you are a victim, everything is bad, we have the answer.
It is normal for any teenager to believe this. I was raised more strict and back in my days parents and teachers used to tease the "libertarian" ideologies imported from the west.
I understand why you would like the song, why any young person would like N.O, so based on what I've wrote before, let's take the lyrics:

[Hook: RM]
A good house, a good car, will these things bring happiness?
In Seoul to the SKY, would your parents be happy?
[Verse 1: Jungkook]
Dream is gone, no time to breathe
School, house and PC room is all we have
We live the same life
And have to become number one

For us it's like a double spy between dream and reality

1) they had no idea what owning a car or house means, hence happiness. They didn't even had a driver's license. Prooving - someone else wrote the lyrics, by default they couldn't have known what they talk about, it's standard things especially to attract young people who (correctly) are being told, that if you work and learn through school you would get a good job, earn a house, have a car - HELL YEAH. Nowadays governments want to take your car and house so owning a house that noone can take away is actually quite important.

2) I did not had a PC, nor a PC room, nor a house and for many people being accepted into a good school is a dream already.
BTS didn't even went to school/highschool as you know from what I've pointed out in the past.
So no, they don't live the same life like you or others, because you probably had to go home and learn for school.

3) what dream what reality. They use some farfetched lyrics again to attract young people and worsening the already sensitive situation of teenagers always thinking everything sucks.

[Verse 2: Suga]
Who is the one who made us into study machines?
It's either number one or a failure
They trap us in borders, the adults
There’s no choice but to consent
Even if we think simply, it’s the survival of the fittest

Who do you think is the one who makes us step on even our close friends to climb up? What?

come again?? "study machines" ?
where. when.
Already talked about teenagers thinking adults are the worst, trapping them.
"No choice but to consent"
Yes, there are plenty reasons for that - brain isn't even fully developed until 20 or so !
You give full consent to a child/minor/young person -- they'll be dead within one month.
Stepping on close friends to climb up..please...such a kitsch to pretend he knows what he's talking about.. The only one who stepped on someone is Bang.

[Pre-Chorus: V, Jungkook]
Adults tell me that hardships are only momentary
To endure a little more, to do it later
[Chorus: All, Jungkook, Jimin]
Everybody say NO!
It's not going to work anymore

Don't be captured in others dreams
We roll (We roll) We roll (We roll) We roll
Everybody say NO!
It has to be now
We've done nothing yet
We roll (We roll) We roll (We roll) We roll


Everybody say NO!


They are basically telling young people to tell adults how things are...hahahahaha.
"others dreams" ? This isn't an original though and if we''re talking about "others dreams"...they are Bang's monkeys who made a at least 2,7Billion fortune out of them. Yet they can't figure it out?? After 11 years..

The same goes for the rest of the song, no need to quote the entire text. Except one verse:

"Adults say that we have it so easy"

Yes. And they still have it. They act and think like children who have no idea about the evil that's going on in the world, because they don't learn, don't read, don't collect information, yet think they know better.
Yes, as a young person you have it easier, because you have no clue about how evil the world is and what real problems are.


hahaha, Katy Perry, like Beyonce, like everyone else, use the word "inspiration" every time they STEAL.
There is NOTHING in that Katy Perry's song which fits the definition of the word "inspiration". Only intellectual theft.
ok thanks a lot
 

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BTS and Brit Awards
Only natural to happen..joining the line of other governmental/elite puppets like U2 who were nominated/awarded as well.



Basically their English speaking songs for which they released thousands videos with new gay hairstyle clothes and make up so that their fans get something new to watch and stream.



Oh, yes. Bringing it right to the point - Bang’s manipulation of their 8-20 year old fans hyping over how BTS members never grew up/older.
It’s wrong for both to not see the issue.

Hahahahaa, i really had to laugh at that video. Because it reminded me of all your posts regarding this issue of them never having faced real problems and play children's games instead :)
 

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Yes, Saudi and America are close business wise.
Indonesia has territorial disputes with China (South China Sea), along with other countries against China due to the same issue.

I'd like to point out though, in simple terms, that countries might have disputes over one issue, yet work together on others. America/China, Russia/Europe, Russia/America, etc.
Maybe houthi rebels were told to attack that oil refinery for the reason mentioned by you, my feeling is still that it was an independent attack, unrelated to other disputes. Maybe one that suited well China.
You have the persian gulf crisis...there are sooo many wars and interests going on in that area, which is why my eyes tend to go in this case towards houthis.
Turkey is also interested and plays a role in OBOR,
Germany in Syria.
Iran against Syria.

etc.

And houthi's constant attacks as well as claiming the bombing.
I believe that if Iran would have wanted to warn Saudi over Indonesia, they wouldn't have bombed the oil refinery, then have the houthi's take the blame, which they UNOFFICIALLY (since they deny any involvement with their movement) support. They would have simply sent some warnings. Then maybe bomb. But even here, I doubt it. It's simply not worthy. I believe Iran has bigger issues with Syria.
Oh u right u right iam fogot that houthinis unofficial, hehe thank u
 

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HAHAha

http://instagr.am/p/CNIVW3fn0zS/
BTS released their newest song - film out.
It’s their worst song.
I had difficulties to listen it until the end. When I finally thought it is the end after their high-pitched vocals especially Jimin’s ruined my years, the last 50 seconds turned to be the apogee.


Same "hardship" , pain, please save me, only you and I...blabla lyrics.

thanks for the advice, i don't think i would listen the song ahahahh
 

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HAHAha

http://instagr.am/p/CNIVW3fn0zS/
BTS released their newest song - film out.
It’s their worst song.
I had difficulties to listen it until the end. When I finally thought it is the end after their high-pitched vocals especially Jimin’s ruined my years, the last 50 seconds turned to be the apogee.


Same "hardship" , pain, please save me, only you and I...blabla lyrics.

What else would you expect on fools day then a joke? I have one word for this: boring.
No longer remember much of their songs, but I know they were able to evoke emotion or spark interest thanks to melody.
Here, none of it.
 
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