The Top 10 Myths that Dominate "Islam"

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Take that !

a person who is not expert in Arabic says understands Arabic Quran and Muslims, whether Arab or non-Arab and since 1400 years, do not understand something written in Arabic.
You're still attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message of truth from THE God.

Neither the Bible nor the Koran was written for humans, which is why NO human can understand them nor ever has. ALL Scripture was written for spirit-Beings (Souls) and can only be properly understood by a truly awakened Soul.

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
 

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Amazing how you feel the need to argue everything.
Isn't that rather hypocritical of you, since you have contributed absolutely nothing to this thread other than insults? Your inability to refute even a single point that's been shared stands as proof of the truth being shared in the article, for everyone's benefit (including yours).

My point stands. Koran is wrong and every one with an ounce of Arabic knowledge would agree.
You don't really have a point though, do you? Is this really cause for concern or simply your "self" arguing more utter nonsense?

All of the terms in other, European languages are transliterations of the original Arabic, based upon what letters in those languages are felt to best transfer the pronunciation of the word. Same as there are transliterations of Hebrew and Greek for the Old Covenant and New Covenant (which the Koran/Quran COMMANDS us to read). A few examples below:

English: Koran (also Quran, Qur'an)
Danish: Koranen
French: Coran
Icelandic: Kóraninn
Italian: Corano
Portuguese: Alcorão
Turkish: Kuran

It is perhaps noteworthy, that 25-30 years ago, most English-speaking people used the word Koran, because it was felt the "k" sound better represented the original Arabic and because the Arabic "Qaf" doesn't really have a counterpart in English. That makes the very similar sounds of the Arabic "Kaf" and "Qaf" more difficult to distinguish in English, which is why they're sometimes used interchangeably in English.

Similarly noteworthy is that the Arabic "Ba" (B in English) and "Meem" (M in English) sound nothing alike and are NEVER used interchangeably in either Arabic or English. So why have so many "Muslims" been hoodwinked into such an obvious lie as to believe "Bakkah" ("Baca" transliterated from the original Hebrew) is somehow "Makkah", which itself is NOT "Mecca"? So they can continue believing in lies rather than in the truth that neither Abraham nor Ishmaei EVER went to the area that over 2000 years later became Mecca?

It can be said, with absolute certainty, that God does NOT care whether the English transliteration "Koran" or "Quran" or "Qur'an" is used to refer to the third part of the Book (His-Story); what He cares about is whether people read its contents and DO what it COMMANDS them to do for our own benefit. And what does the Koran (Quran) tell us to do? It tells us to read, accept and obey The Law and the Gospel, and to NOT be in doubt of them reaching us (Sura 32:32) or ever being corrupted, which is impossible (Sura 15:9-10).

If everyone was doing THAT, we would have long ago become one brotherhood of believers.

Anyone who is still clinging to their evil organized (or organised if you prefer) religion (Talmudic Judaism, "Christianity" or "Islam", or any of the other polytheistic religions, including atheism) instead of returning to the true religion of truth (which is doing God's Will and keeping His Law) on Judgment Day will burn for it, just as the Koran (Quran) warns at least 300 times.

THAT is what God really cares about, and why He is profoundly saddened by the insanity here on Earth, where Lucifer/Satan/Iblis is able to so easily con people into believing in his corporate fictional religious superstitions and nonsense, instead of in the truth (Sura 7:16-17, Sura 15:39-40, Sura 17:62-64).

If you don't have anything of substance to add to this discussion, then please refrain from letting Lucifer/Satan/Iblis continue to so easily use you to mindlessly attack others. Concern yourself instead with addressing your own ignorance, asking God for His Guidance in everything you do, and being open and receptive to the truth He sends you in whatever form He sees fit.

He is the Best of Planners, Most Merciful and Oft-Forgiving.
 
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No one needs to translate the Hadith. Every copy of the Hadith should be pulped and recycled into copies of the Koran (Quran), exactly as Mohammad (peace be upon him) specified.

Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that God's messenger had said:
"Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it."

From Ibn Hanbal: Zayd Ibn Thabit (The apostle's closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu'aawiyah (more than 30 years after the apostle's death), and told him a story about the apostle. Mu'aawiyah liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said:
"the messenger of God ORDERED us NEVER to write anything of his hadith"

Again, in the book "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Saeed Al-Khudry said:
"I asked the messenger of God a permission to write his hadiths, BUT HE REFUSED TO GIVE ME A PERMISSION."
 
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The reason it felt so uncomfortable is because only heathens and hypocrites go to churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc. to be seen by others, according to God and His Christ.

Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father IN PRIVATE (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.


Of course the disciples and apostles reiterated Christ's condemnation of the churches, etc., with their priests, pastors, rabbis and imams (fake teachers).

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the Most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;


As does the Koran (Quran):

Sura 4:142. The Hypocrites - they think they are over-reaching God, but He will over-reach them: when they stand up to prayer, they stand without earnestness, to be seen by men (Matt. 6:5), only little do they hold God in remembrance;

Sura 7:55. Call on your Lord with HUMILITY and in PRIVATE (Enoch 56:5; Matt. 6:6): for "I AM" loveth not those who trespass beyond bounds.

Sura 9:107-111
9:107. And there are those who put up mosques (churches; synagogues; etc.), by way of mischief and BETRAYAL - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against "I AM" (Revelation 12:7) and His Messenger aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; but "I AM" doth declare that they are certainly LIARS.
9:108. NEVER stand thou forth therein. There is an Holy Place (Mt. Moriah) whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and "I AM" loveth those who make themselves pure.
9:109. Which then is best? - he that layeth his foundation on piety (a Rock - Matthew 7:24-27) to "I AM" and His Good Pleasure? - or he that layeth his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces? And it doth crumble to pieces with him, into The Fire of Hell. And "I AM" guideth not people that do wrong (if they are doing wrong Satan is guiding them).
9:110. The foundation of those who so build is never free from suspicion and shakiness in their hearts, until their hearts are cut to pieces. And "I AM" is All-Knowing, Wise.
9:111. "I AM" hath purchased from the Believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is The Garden (of Bliss): they fight in His Cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in Truth, through The Law (The Torah), The Gospel (New Testament/Covenant), and The Koran: and who is more faithful to His Covenant (in the Bible) than "I AM"? Then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded (to fulfill The Covenant of "I AM" written in the Bible): that is the achievement supreme.

Sura 33:33. And stay quietly IN YOUR HOUSES (Sura 9:107-111), and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance (Sura 4:142, Sura 7:55); and establish constant Prayer (1 Thes. 5:17), and give regular Charity (Matt. 6:1-8); and obey "I AM" and His Messenger. And "I AM" only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless (Matt. 5:8).

Sura 107:5-6
107:5. Who are neglectful of their Prayers,
107:6. Those who (want only) to be seen (by men - Matt. 6:5),

Interesting note about the title "Jesus": it means "Saviour" or, more specifically "YHWH Saves".

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the Will of the Father which hath sent me.
I too found this uncomfortable. always put it down to being a fraud / lazy Christian so too ashamed to attend.

only realising now that God never intended or wanted us to go to ‘church’. He wanted us to speak to him directly.
 
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No one needs to translate the Hadith. Every copy of the Hadith should be pulped and recycled into copies of the Koran (Quran), exactly as Mohammad (peace be upon him) specified.

Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that God's messenger had said:
"Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it."

From Ibn Hanbal: Zayd Ibn Thabit (The apostle's closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu'aawiyah (more than 30 years after the apostle's death), and told him a story about the apostle. Mu'aawiyah liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said:
"the messenger of God ORDERED us NEVER to write anything of his hadith"

Again, in the book "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Saeed Al-Khudry said:
"I asked the messenger of God a permission to write his hadiths, BUT HE REFUSED TO GIVE ME A PERMISSION."
You copied that from submission.org just like you did in the five prayers thread. Why don't you quote the references too? Or did you realise that you can't at once claim that the hadeeth are false, and then quote hadeeth themselves to evidence that claim? So you can't say 'Muhammad (peace be upon him) specified', because by diregarding ahadeeth you don't know what he ﷺ specified.

On the other hand, if you're referring to what Muslims believe to be true, not what you believe to be true, you would know that the term hadeeth is not merely about writing; it is also about discussion, memorization and narration of the Prophet's words and actions. If you had checked the references of the hadeeth above, you would have realised that not all the narration is being quoted, only a selected part of it, and that in quoting only part of the hadeeth, its entire message is misconstrued.

The full hadith from Abu Said al Khudri (the third one) is from Sahih Muslim, Book 42, Number 7417 (alternatively Sahih Muslim 3004) and states
Abu Sa'id Khudri reported that Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur'an, he should efface that and narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me-and Hammam said: I think he also said:" deliberately" -he should in fact find his abode in the Hell-Fire.
A distinction is drawn between writing hadeeth and narrating hadeeth; the former is forbidden at this point in time, the latter is permitted. Thus the prohibition on the writing of hadeeth is not on account of negating its authority - that would be a non-sequitur assumption.

As for the second hadeeth about Zaid bin Thabit and Muaawiya, you quoted it in the five prayers thread too, but what is quoted is not even a hadeeth. Zaid bin Thabit never met Muaawiya. The reasons are as follows:
  1. Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) died in the year 633;
  2. Zaid bin Thabit died in the year 660;
  3. Muaawiya came in power and became the leader in the year 661;
  4. According to hadith rejecters this incident took place in the year 663.
How could Zaid bin Thabit meet Muaawiya if he had passed away by this time? Perhaps it is not impossible since, as you have stated, reincarnation is "an irrefutable fact."

As for the first narration it is simply a restatement of of the third hadeeth.

The fact that the Prophet forbade writing of hadeeth in the earliest part of Prophethood is not hidden. It is in fact well-known. At the beginning of the revelation of the Quran, the companions were not familiar with the Quranic style, nor was the Quran compiled in separate book form. Some companions would write ahadeeth along with the Quranic text, and this writing was thus prohibited by the Prophet in order to avoid mixing of the two. The Prophet ordered that the ahadeeth be preserved in other ways:

1. By memorization:
Narrated Abdullah bin Amr RA, the Prophet ﷺ said: Convey (my teachings) to the people even if it were a single sentence.” Sahih Bukhari 3461

2. By discussion:

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at Tirmidhi 2669

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Sunan abi Dawood 3659

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at Tirmidhi 2649

3. By practice: The Sunnah is not merely theoretical knowledge, it relates to practical life. The companions acted upon the teachings of the Prophet, and spared no effort in doing so. The Sunnah was a living practice that every companion strove to embody.

When the companions became fully conversant with the style of the Quran and writing paper became available, the transitory measure of precaution was taken back, because the danger of mixing between the Quran and hadeeth no longer existed. Writing of the hadeeth became encouraged, and were compiled in pamphletsc called sahifa.

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Sunan abi Dawood 3646

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at Tirmidhi 2667

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Sahih Muslim 3004

In compliance with this last hadeeth Abdullah ibn Amr wrote a large number of hadeeth and compiled them into book form which he name Al Sahifa as Sadiqah
 
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At-Tirmidhi (2658) narrated from ‘Abdullah ibn Mas‘ood that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “May Allah beautify a man who hears a saying of mine, so he understands it, remembers it and conveys it. There may be one who conveys knowledge to someone who understands it better than he does.”

Al-Bazzaar (3416) narrated from Muhammad ibn Jubayr ibn Mut‘im, from his father (may Allah be pleased with him), from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he said: “May Allah beautify a man who hears a saying of mine, so he memorises it and conveys it as he heard it.”
Sura 5:4. Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat (Lev. 22:8, Deut. 14:21), blood (Lev. 3:17, Lev. 17:10-11), the flesh of swine (Deut. 14:8), and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than "I AM" (Num. 25:1-3); that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal (Lev. 22:8); unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form) that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject Faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not, but fear Me (Matt. 10:28). THIS DAY* I have perfected your religion for you, COMPLETED My favour upon you, and have chosen for YOU, submission to My will, as your religion (Matt. 6:9-13). But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, "I AM" is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

*This leaves absolutely NO wiggle room for men to fabricate additional sayings allegedly attributed to Muhammad AFTER the Koran, like Muhammad al-Bukhari “compiled” over 200 years after Muhammad Mustafa's death.

As previously quoted, God even made sure that if someone did read the Hadith they would find Muhammad specifically instructed those around him NOT to write anything from him, except the Koran (Quran).

Anyone who believes the satanic, fabricated Hadith instead of (or tries to partner it with) God and His Holy Koran (Quran) will burn. There will be absolutely NO exceptions.
 
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Then why do you insist on disobeying him? Do you have a death wish?
If we are to believe what you copied from that website, Zayd bin Thabit would have met Muaawiya three years after he had died. How that's possible, I don't know. But since you believe that reincarnation is an irrefutable fact, taught by both the Bible and the Quran, perhaps you can explain. Also, respond to every point, not one selection that you're taking out of the context of my argument. If you actually read what I said, the prohibition on writing was later lifted; but the practices of narration, dictations, discussion and practice were always occurring, and ordered by the Prophet. Do you learn something and not act on it?
 

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Isn't that rather hypocritical of you, since you have contributed absolutely nothing to this thread other than insults? Your inability to refute even a single point that's been shared stands as proof of the truth being shared in the article, for everyone's benefit (including yours).
Why would i contribute to a thread of ignorance? I mean seriously. I rather loathe posting here because it pushes it back up top.
Just like Kias thread "who Muslims really worship". Lots of ignorance there too, but for me to refute it only pushes it back up for all to see.

I''d rather a thread such as this one get no replies and just die in obscurity to be perfectly honest.

Why are you attacking Islam? Not Hinduism, Sikhism, Shintoism, Buddhism, (insert 50 other ism's here). What is your goal Freeman? I could attack many religions but there is no gain in it. What is your purpose with this thread? Do you really think you can misguide those being lead by the Almighty? Clearly you do. Preach about your own faith, what do you hope to gain by attacking others?


I am interested in this one however.
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Think you can elaborate on the 2nd quote? That is without making a dozen quotes from scripture making the post essentially unreadable. Clear and concise, use the KISS principle.

If revelation was not made for mankind, then for who is it intended for?
 

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If we are to believe what you copied from that website, Zayd bin Thabit would have met Muaawiya three years after he had died. How that's possible, I don't know. But since you believe that reincarnation is an irrefutable fact, taught by both the Bible and the Quran, perhaps you can explain. Also, respond to every point, not one selection that you're taking out of the context of my argument. If you actually read what I said, the prohibition on writing was later lifted; but the practices of narration, dictations, discussion and practice were always occurring, and ordered by the Prophet. Do you learn something and not act on it?
Regarding your regurgitation of the false claims made on websites (fighting to defend partnering with God's Message other writings that God has prohibited upon pain of death) like the following one:
https://answeringhadeethrejectors.com/refutation-did-the-prophet-his-companions-prohibit-the-writing-of-hadiths-part-1/

Please see for yourself that the lifespans of those two individuals clearly overlapped.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zayd_ibn_Thabit
b. 610 AD
d. 660 AD

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muawiyah_I
b. 597, 603 or 605 AD
d. 680 AD


And regarding your other regurgitated and unscriptural false claim:

At no time did Father (God, Allah, the "I AM") ever lift the prohibition on adding or subtracting from HIS Word, which is a capital crime (Deut. 17:11-13).

From His Perfect Law of Liberty, which all REAL Muslims follow:

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all [the things] that we do here this day, every man whatsoever [is] right in his own eyes.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.


And also from His Holy Koran (Quran):-

NO PARTNERS

Partners include any and all other gods (including one's “self”), and any and all man-made writings/traditions, cultural beliefs, etc., or any other customs or practices not specifically prescribed in The Law, found in the first five books of the Bible, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

See: Suras 3:64, 4:36, 4:48, 5:102, 6:22-24, 6:78-81, 6:136-137, 6:148, 6:163, 7:33, 7:190-199, 9:31, 10:18, 10:28, 10:34-37, 10:66, 11:55, 12:38, 12:105-108, 13:16, 13:33-36, 16:1-3, 16:27, 16:86-88, 16:98-101, 17:111, 18:42, 18:52, 18:110, 22:31, 23:59, 23:92, 25:2, 28:62-64, 28:68, 30:12-14, 30:40, 34:27, 35:14, 35:40, 40:12, 40:42, 40:84-85, 41:47-48, 42:21, 59:23, 68:41

A few examples from the above list provided below:

Sura 3:64. Say: "O People of The Book (Bible)! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than God." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are "True in Faith" (bowing to God's Will)."

Sura 4:36. Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: for God loveth not the arrogant, the conceited;-

Sura 4:48. God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin most heinous indeed.

Sura 5:102. The Messenger's duty is only to proclaim (the Message)(John 7:16-17). But "I AM" knoweth all that ye reveal and ye conceal.

Sura 6:93-94
6:93. Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against "I AM", or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what "I AM" hath revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! - The angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls/Beings: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against "I AM", and scornfully to reject of His Signs!
6:94. And behold! Ye come to us bare and alone as We created you for the first time: ye have left behind you all (the favours) which We bestowed on you: We see not with you your intercessors whom ye thought to be partners in your affairs: so now all relations between you have been cut off, and your (pet) fancies have left you in the lurch!"

Sura 6:163. No partner hath He: this am I COMMANDED, and I am the first of those who bow to His Will.

Sura 10:66. Behold! Verily to "I AM" belong all creatures, in the heavens and on Earth. What do they follow who worship as His "partners" other than "I AM"? They follow nothing but fancy, and they do nothing but lie.

Sura 18:110. Say: "I am only a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your God is One God: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as His partner.


Anyone and everyone who partners the satanic Hadith with God's Word is committing shirk. Period. The Hadith not only contradicts the Koran (Quran); it contradicts itself, proving its satanic origin. This should effectively address all of the points you've brought up.

Peace be upon you.
 
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I am interested in this one however.
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Think you can elaborate on the 2nd quote? That is without making a dozen quotes from scripture making the post essentially unreadable. Clear and concise, use the KISS principle.

If revelation was not made for mankind, then for who is it intended for?
In my opinion A Freemen has kept it as simple as possible. The Scriptures are for the souls controlling the human beings, not for the actual human being.
 

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Why would i contribute to a thread of ignorance? I mean seriously. I rather loathe posting here because it pushes it back up top.
Just like Kias thread "who Muslims really worship". Lots of ignorance there too, but for me to refute it only pushes it back up for all to see.

I''d rather a thread such as this one get no replies and just die in obscurity to be perfectly honest.
Perfectly honest? Please.

You just contradicted yourself while falsely claiming that this is a thread of ignorance when it is instead a thread of enlightenment, reaching out to all who REMAIN in ignorance, clinging to their religious superstitions instead of simply DOING what we've been COMMANDED to do in the Bible and the Koran (Quran).

Why are you attacking Islam?
If by "attacking" you mean posting the truth about the organized religion that deceitfully calls itself "Islam", the reason for sharing this truth with others should be painfully obvious: to help others awaken to the truth, before it's too late and they too find themselves in The Fire on Judgment Day. Exactly as you've already been personally told several times (and chosen to ignore).

Not Hinduism, Sikhism, Shintoism, Buddhism, (insert 50 other ism's here).
How many times must it be posted that ALL organized religion was created by Lucifer/Satan/Iblis to keep people AWAY from God? ALL means ALL (as in every single one).

What is your goal Freeman?
To serve others by providing them with the truth and a loving warning while they still have time to do something about it.

I could attack many religions but there is no gain in it. What is your purpose with this thread? Do you really think you can misguide those being lead by the Almighty? Clearly you do. Preach about your own faith, what do you hope to gain by attacking others?
You're viewing what's been shared through human eyes, which see everything upside down and backwards. Everyone on this planet has been deceived, and most are still being deceived for this very reason.

If you were looking at what's been shared with spiritual eyes instead, you would see the love in reaching out to you and others -- whilst you actually attack me for doing it -- and then very hypocritically accuse me of doing what YOU are doing.

It's not even me you're really attacking; it's God and His Message/Truth, which your human "self" (ego) can never understand and thus hates. That's why we've been COMMANDED to crucify the "self" daily (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:26-27, Gal. 2:20, Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18-21), so that it can no longer be used by Lucifer/Satan/Iblis to do his bidding.

There is no other way to actually and joyfully submit to and do God's Will.

I am interested in this one however.
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Think you can elaborate on the 2nd quote? That is without making a dozen quotes from scripture making the post essentially unreadable. Clear and concise, use the KISS principle.
It was already elaborated on with ONE passage from John 3:3-7 in the same post, which "friend" decided to omit so they could feign ignorance and waste everyone's time.

If revelation was not made for mankind, then for who is it intended for?
That too was answered in the same post, and likewise intentionally omitted.

 

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In my opinion A Freemen has kept it as simple as possible. The Scriptures are for the souls controlling the human beings, not for the actual human being.
I see, well the soul is the human being. This flesh is nothing but a carcass. On death the soul is removed and the body becomes lifeless. The body is buried while the soul is moved to another plane known as the barzakh.

You can't really separate them because revelation is for mankind, which is the soul the Almighty breathed into. My conscious is my soul as is yours.

Our soul is "us". Revelation was sent for us and djinn. To say revelation is not for "human beings" is up there with saying there is no anti-christ (which Freeman also believes) when 1 eye signs are inescapable for all today.

None the less tnx for your clarification.
 

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@Freeman So much for simple replies, right? Maybe I'll get time and come back to read that book of yours you just posted.
 

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A human (flesh) is human (flesh) and a spirit-Being (Soul) is a spirit-Being (Soul/Jinn/Angel).

Together they form a human+Being.

For example, Jesus was the mortal human son born of the virgin body of Mary, as it clearly states throughout the Scripture.

The Messiah/Christ IS the immortal Spirit-Being that incarnated ("strengthened") Jesus 2000 years ago.

Together, they formed the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ.

It was Jesus (the mortal human) who died on the cross, making it APPEAR as if Christ (the immortal spirit-Being) had been crucified, which is obviously impossible (Sura 4:157-158).

Until this is clearly understood (by the spirit-Being), it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand anything in the Holy Scriptures (John 3:3-7), as it was all written for the spirit-Being (Soul) and is completely foreign to humans (who are born here on Earth, live here on Earth and die here on Earth).
 
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Please see for yourself that the lifespans of those two individuals clearly overlapped.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zayd_ibn_Thabit
b. 610 AD
d. 660 AD

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muawiyah_I
b. 597, 603 or 605 AD
d. 680 AD
Mate, where in my argument did I say that their lifespans did not overlap. That wasn't the argument. The argument was that Zayd ibn Thabit (may Allah have mercy on him رحمه الله) died before Muawiyah رحمه الله came to power as Khalif. The narration specifically stipulates this alleged encounter occurred, and I quote, "more than 30 years after the Prophet's ﷺ death", when Muaawiya was the Khalif (leader) of the Muslims:

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The Prophet ﷺ died in 632.
Thirty years after that is 662.
Zayd bin Thabit died in 660.
Muawiyah became Khalif in 661.

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So Zayd bin Thabit came to visit Muawiyah years after his death?

Also, I thought you didn't use "Zionist Wikipedia". Rules for me but not for thee?

Zionist-controlled Wikipedia and dictionaries—which are all WRONG
Also, unless a source with an authentic chain of narration has been provided in a book of hadith for this alleged encounter, not to mention an actual date, I am not inclined to take it as fact.

Again, find the source that the website quoted from and read the full hadeeth about narrating from the Prophet ﷺ;

The full hadith states:
Abu Sa'id Khudri reported that Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur'an, he should efface that and narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me-and Hammam said: I think he also said:" deliberately" -he should in fact find his abode in the Hell-Fire.

O you who believe! If a troublemaker brings you any news, investigate, lest you harm people out of ignorance, and you become regretful for what you have done. - Surah al-Hujaraat 49:6

Also, if you it is truly your belief that reincarnation is taught by the Quran, I really can't help you. When you say something like that you automatically relinquish any claim to legitimacy or credibility.

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