I am also going to mention my own posting from yesterday, adding this:
i believe i wrote about it a long time ago - legally speaking any mental abnormality is a primarily factor to be consider in any lawsuit brought against a criminal. It doesn't fully get you off the hook, but there is a difference between killing someone or raping because you like it, or if you have suffered some damages and your mind doesn't function properly.
my own critique against the hole BTS is under mind control/rituals etc is due to the lack of knowledge over those subjects. it's not enough to just read on wikipedia or watch some documentaries about it. you do need some psychological and medical knowledge over the subjects.
MK Ultra was a project in a closed environment and the subjects weren't performing or walking in society during the experiment.
in terms of how the mind can be influenced you don't need a mk ultra project, the newspapers and media are doing all the job, which is why billions are being poured into BBC, or NyTimes and the major news papers and national TV stations in germany.
as an example - take corona, climatechange, gender dysphoria, vegan diet, etc...
all the panic created in the brains of the people and observing them acting like zombies was only the result of media influence and by the way - people have been severely beaten up or hurt, just because those under the influence of media believed and still believe that a person not wearing a mask is a deadly danger, or someone who points out to the faulty data when it comes to climate change is the reason why the world will go down 5 years ago ( al gore said something about the north pole loosing all ice by 2015 or something like that).
you have people believing that you are a monster and harassing you because you don't separate biblical your trash and the list goes on and on.
That's mind manipulation without drugs. or mk ultra
the difference being that the attackers usually get off (see all the BLM murders and crimes) because the governments need to get rif of people telling the truth.
as tragic as mk ultra was, what is going on at this very own moment is more dangerous.
you mentioned "tortured until a new personality is created".
in my yesterday's answer i was talking about something similar, without me having taking part in any "rituals" or mind control programs.
it does change everything about you if you a) don't have either a solid background or family; b) are still young-ish to in your 20s, because you are still growing up mentally.
once you're within that environment, wether if it is entertainment, or media, radio, newspaper, you can't really go with your own mind and will.
your brain goes into something like stockholm syndrom depending on how weak you are and how big the effort you put into your work was. you either get out, or you start telling yourself that what you do is the right thing.
take Yoongi as an example. His parents must have had their reasons to not agree with what he is doing, he himself was not pleased with the direction of the band even looong before it started getting really gay. he is still in the band, after two "rebellious" acts. you can't stay into something like this unless you're telling yourself it's the right thing to do.
it doesn't matter if it is BTS or people not famous. it's the way the world exists nowadays.
i am not the only one to have said that I even got used to the constant gaying of BTS and don't find it that ridiculous or sick anymore. that's also brainwashing, mind control. without drugs, without changing my personality with anything else, but the gaslighting through media, university, schools.
the first shaping and changing of personality starts at home and many parents nowadays are those who they themselves are being brainwashed and believe in unicorns, letting their boys playing with dolls and girls dressed up like prostitutes.
the second brainwashing, mind control,. changing personality takes place in school. where you have children screaming and harassing each other for not being "environmental" enough, not wearing masks/not wearing them properly, or not being gay.
I talked about the many suicides occurring in people over 65 - caused often by governments ensuring elderly people of having a horrible life after retirement, loss of job, low pension and those between 25-40 - it is not surprising. that's the time your brain starts bringing problems from the past, that we all carry around unnoticed. wrong environment, drugs, alcohol drive people in that age range to depression and suicide, not some rituals.
most of them being men. who are also the ones engaging in the most crimes, due to fatherless homes. not just in america.
although this data is from US only, I am giving it as an example
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the suicide rate has increased drastically in the past 50 years. the (happy for the evil rulers of the world) reason being the "modern" world with sex, crimes and violence being showed constantly on TV, video games, magazines, etc.
Than the romanticizing of mental illnesses, drug abuse, drug legalization, promiscuity.
which is why I said that the MK ultra program is/was less dangerous, if you take a look around, consult the data and read a bit about how media is being used to shape your personality, mind, desire, habits, intelect, etc.. basically everything.
psychologically speaking, when people do bad things out of conviction, they don't realize it's bad, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. as simple and stupid as it sounds, but that's the science behind it.
if you ever talked about someone behind their back, or even little things, if you ever did something which you thought at that moment that it's right, but it turned out to be wrong, when you did those things, your instinct and brain told you it's the right thing to do.
then you have psychopaths for example, studies have showed that psychopats lack a certain activity in the brain area responsible for empathy. the psychopat boyfriend might use you, exploit you without feeling any guilt because he lacks empathy and because he doesn't care if he's doing something bad or not. that's a different scenario. rest assured he knows he is doing evil and something bad.
he simply doesn't care.
mk ultra was a program designed as a torture method to extract information from nazis after the second world war. same technique without drugs is being often used from extracting confessions and is legally not allowed. it's forced confession if the suspect hasn't been given proper treatment.
if your question is whether bts members are guilty or realizing their guilt or doing things against their will, i can't answer this question because I don't believe they are under anything but their own stupidity and desperation for fame. i don't thing they've ever been involved in anything.
i can say this - they all come from what it appears to be conservatives families. people who have lived NOT in seoul, main city, but more country side. for them wearing lipstick, make up and touching each other must have been something disgusting and immoral to do. remember taehyung even making fun of the gay stereotype designer.
knowing all of that , they still ended up doing the full program and started telling themselves that this is the right thing to do.
as someone who has been observing session of patients suffering from mental illnesses, from depression to schizophrenia, alzheimer, etc. the whole idea that BTS is under some drug mind control to shape their personality, is absurd. they don't present any signs. and it would have been unnecessarily. they were all way to hyped to skip school and get free clothes, while considering each other some replacment of a pseudo-family.
all those companies are aware of that. you take young people out of their homes ( i've finished school abroad, living alone, i know the feeling), they will, like a dog, get accustomed and try to replace the idea of home and family, with whatever you give them.
it's the same principle - you have a dog from when he was little, you take care of him for at least 1-2 years until the maturity starts in dogs, no matter if you give up the dog to someone else after this period and leave him there for 5 years, once you take him back, the dog will still only recognize you as his owner.
you give the dog during this period away, he will get attached and follow whoever took care of him in his developing period.
BTS grew up half at home half with Bang and all the staffers, the difference being that for BigHit and the staffers, BTS are only tools that generate money.
what BTS members don't get due to their lack of intelligence, is that while they blindly trust and do whatever bang and the staff members are telling them, the relation is not mutual.
they are happy to do nothing, wear makeup as they're obsessed with looking unreal and un-manly. no need to use torture for getting information from them. that's absolutely baseless.
i can see signs of Taehyung and Yoongi being under psych meds lately, the past year, and yoongi the past 3, but that's it.