The Truth About Angels according to the Bible.

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Angels = the Sons of God = Spiritual-Beings = Souls = Jinns = "stars"

Father (God, the "I AM") -- Who has no beginning and no end -- is likewise a SPIRITUAL-BEING (John 4:23-24), Who can NEVER be human (Num. 23:19, 1 Sam.15:29, Hos. 11:9).

The FIRST Spirit-Being/Angel/Son of God that God created is MICHAEL, known here on Earth as The Messiah/Christ, the One Whom God Anointed (His Firstborn/First-created Son - Rom. 8:29, Col. 1:15, Rev. 3:14).

Together, and THROUGH Prince Michael, the worlds and ALL of the other angels/souls/spirit-Beings/Sons of God were made (John 1:10, Col. 1:16, Heb. 1:1-4). One of those angels -- Lucifer -- started a war in heaven and gathered a third of the angels of heaven into his army by telling them LIES (Rev. 12:3-4), to con them into fighting against Father (God), Prince Michael/Christ and the other two-thirds of the angels or "stars" of heaven (Rev. 12:7-9). The history documenting the separation of the angels above the heavens from those below the heavens (on Earth) after the war is likewise chronicled in the beginning of the Book of Genesis.

A human+Being = a human incarnated by a spirit-Being (angel). The mortal, flesh-and-blood human is obviously of this world, as it is born and dies in this world. The immortal spirit-Being (Soul) is NOT of this world, and is only here temporarily to learn how to be good (Gen. 1:26), under these extreme conditions.

This is the irrefutable truth about angels, according to the Bible.
Angels = the Sons of God = Spiritual-Beings = Souls = Jinns = "stars"
Only the good angels can be the the sons of God as its a term of endearment that God uses for both good angels and people. So evil angels can't be and are not the sons of God.

Jinn is not a biblical word is it? It is Muslim and the jinn of the Quran are not the angels of the Bible, certainly not the good ones. They seem crafty and contradict what the Bible says about angels.

The FIRST Spirit-Being/Angel/Son of God that God created is MICHAEL, known here on Earth as The Messiah/Christ, the One Whom God Anointed (His Firstborn/First-created Son - Rom. 8:29, Col. 1:15, Rev. 3:14).
Jesus is God according to the Bible. He is NOT an angel and never will be neither does the Bible ever say so anywhere. You are mixing pagan theology with the Word of God. Do not say false things and pretend they are from the Bible. I have shown you directly from the Bible before, that Jesus is God. I will post it again.

  • Jesus is self-existent (John 1:1-4; 14:6); only God is self-existent (Psalm 90:2).

  • Jesus defines Himself as eternal. “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8).

  • He is, and has, eternal life (1 John 5:11, 12, 20).

  • He is all-powerful (Revelation 1:8).

  • He created all things (John 1:3). “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). “For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him” (Colossians 1:16).

  • The Father even calls Jesus God. “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom” (Hebrews 1:8).

  • Jesus is able to forgive sin (Luke 5:20-21); The Bible says only God can forgive sin (Isaiah 43:25).

  • Jesus accepted worship that according to the Ten Commandments is reserved only for the Almighty (Matthew 14:33). “And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘All hail.’ And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him” (Matthew 28:9). Upon seeing the risen Savior, the converted skeptic, Thomas, confessed, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:26-29).

  • Even the angels worship Jesus. “And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him” (Hebrews 1:6).

  • The Scriptures also teach that only God knows the thoughts of a man’s heart (1 Kings 8:39). Yet Jesus consistently knew what people were thinking, “for he knew what was in man” (John 2:25). “Nathanael said to Him, ‘How do You know me?’ Jesus answered and said to him, ‘Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you’ (John 1:48).

  • Through the Spirit, Jesus is omnipresent. “Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age” (Matthew 28:20 NKJV). “For I am with you, and no one will attack you to hurt you; for I have many people in this city” (Acts 18:10).

  • He has power to give life, and even resurrected Himself. “No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again” (John 10:18). “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live” (John 11:25).
He is Michael, that is one of His titles. In Hebrew name "Michael," means "who is like God" Do you think its a coincidence that is what the name Michael means? In the Bible Jesus has appeared and/or talked to people as an angel but that does not means He isn't God. God can do anything including come on this earth as a human being (be lower than angels) and save us from sin. He is all powerful, all knowing, all seeing and many other things, don't limit Him and His abilities of which we don't know much about.

A human+Being = a human incarnated by a spirit-Being (angel). The mortal, flesh-and-blood human is obviously of this world, as it is born and dies in this world. The immortal spirit-Being (Soul) is NOT of this world, and is only here temporarily to learn how to be good (Gen. 1:26), under these extreme conditions.
Humans are NOT incarnated angels nor is this written of in the Bible, and that is because incarnation is not biblical. It is pagan. Also we are all mortal and that includes angels too (evil angels). The righteous will become immortal and live eternally only after Jesus comes back the second time as the Bible clearly says:

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality" (1 Corinthians 15:51-53).

The unrighteous will never be immortal and will eventually go to hell and die forever. Jesus stated, "And fear not them which kill the body ... but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28). He also said, "So it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire” (Matthew 13:40-42). This means Jesus (God) is going to destroy people, both soul and body in hell fire.

Satan too is mortal and is going to be punished in hell along with all the evil angles and he will die forever never to exist ever again. In fact hell was really ever meant for Satan and his demons only. “Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41).

This is the irrefutable truth about angels, according to the Bible.
Everything in your post is a lie because its mixed with untruth from pagan theology that you believe in. I chose not to respond to all of it but how can it be the irrefutable truth of the Bible when you are mixing it with pagan theology? Obviously it is not the unadulterated truth of the Bible is it?!
 
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Jesus is God according to the Bible. He is NOT an angel and never will be neither does the Bible ever say so anywhere
Jude 1:9 Yet MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

He is Michael, that is one of His titles. In Hebrew name "Michael," means "who is like God" Do you thinnk its a coincidence that is what the name Michael means?
Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is THE IMAGE (LIKENESS) of the invisible God, THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE:


Definition of image
(Entry 1 of 2)
1a: a visual representation of something: such as
(1): a likeness of an object produced on a photographic material

Definition of likeness

1: COPY, PORTRAIT
2: APPEARANCE, SEMBLANCE
3: the quality or state of being like : RESEMBLANCE

An image/likeness, by definition, is NOT the original to which it is being likened. What you see in the mirror is an IMAGE of your human, but it is NOT actually a human itself; it's only an image/likeness of the human.

"Who is LIKE God?" does NOT mean "Who is God". Learn to read what it actually says.

Michael is a NAME. Messiah/Christ is a TITLE (The Anointed One). Who do you think anointed Michael (i.e. MADE Him the firstborn of every creature) if not His Father and His God (John 20:17).
 
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Jude 1:9 Yet MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Just because he is called the archangel does not mean he is an angel.

Also the angel of the lord is not an angel.


And when it is written in Genesis 18 that Abraham saw three men standing nearby... it doesn't mean that YHWH and the two accompanying angels are men.
 
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Only the good angels can be the the sons of God as its term of endearment that God uses for both good angels and people. So evil angels can't be and are not the sons of God.
This is just opinionated bullshite.
 

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Me and my christian friend had a possible encounter with an angel some 25 years ago which is worth recounting-
We were chatting in Leicester (england) city centre, and a young hindu chap came up to us who my pal knew.
The hindu kept belching and yawning and writhing and generally disrupted the chat, and my impression was that he was demonically possessed.
"Let's all go back to my place for a spot of tea" my pal said, so we got on a bus, it was almost empty and the three of us sat side by side on the long back seat.
The bus pulled up at a stop and a young lady got on, and although there were plenty of empty seats available, she surprisingly walked the full length of the bus and plonked herself between the hindu and us!
She just sat there with a pleasant neutral expression on her face, not looking round or speaking, then she got off a few stops later.
We got off a couple of stops later and walked to my pals house for tea with the hindu in tow, and he continued his sloppy slovenly antics.
I had had enough of him, so I made an excuse to leave early and off I went.

With hindsight I can't help wondering if that young lady on the bus was an angel who plonked herself there to shield us from the demons that the hindu chap was infested with?
Also, even though she never said a word, perhaps by her action she was giving us a clear message to keep clear of him in future?

Dictionary:
  1. angel
    noun, "a spiritual being believed to act as an attendant, agent, or messenger of God"
 
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Just because he is called the archangel does not mean he is an angel.

Also the angel of the lord is not an angel.


And when it is written in Genesis 18 that Abraham saw three men standing nearby... it doesn't mean that YHWH and the two accompanying angels are men.
The word "Satan" is Hebrew and means "the Opposer". When people say (or write) the opposite of what God and His Word actually say, and try to con others into believing their lies, it is Satan speaking (or writing) through them.

"Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."

-- Christ
(Matt. 16:23)
 

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The word "Satan" is Hebrew and means "the Opposer". When people say (or write) the opposite of what God and His Word actually say, and try to con others into believing their lies, it is Satan speaking (or writing) through them.

"Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."

-- Christ
(Matt. 16:23)
You who quote satan from the quran are disqualified.

The shepherde has spoken.
 

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Exactly. Those lost books are not the inspired word of God and a lot of what is written in them contradicts the Bible. The Bible is God's book and what is meant to be in it, is in the Bible. Those lost books are not in the Bible because they are not meant to be. They are not of God. Christians should avoid the lost books/Apocrypha and have nothing to do with them at all. Biblically angels are genderless and cannot procreate with themselves let alone humans. They are created beings not procreated like humans (except Adam and Eve).

You're right the sons of God were the children of Seth who procreated with Cain's daughters and that is why wickedness increased. God destroyed the earth with a flood because of how wicked the human race had become as Genesis 6:5-7 says, "Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” "
What are your ideas on the serpent seed? Do you believe the fruit of the garden of Eden was an actual fruit or it was sexual intimacy between Eve and the serpent?

Thus Cain being born and God having put an eminent between the two seeds.

Genesis 3:1
[1]Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:1,7-13
[1]Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[7]And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
[8]And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[9]And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[10]And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
[11]And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
[12]And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
[13]And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Genesis 3:1,7-13,15-17
[1]Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[7]And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
[8]And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[9]And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[10]And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
[11]And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
[12]And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
[13]And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
[15]And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
[16]Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
[17]And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;


Also if you look at their punishements, men must now be circumsized and women get period pains every single month..... What are your thoughts?
 

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The truth about Lucifer/Satan's coup attempt in heaven, which resulted in him and his angels/followers being banished to the Earth.


Lucifer was an inhabitant of the Morning Star, which is a REAL planet. The Morning Star is home to Prince Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, Raguel, Sarakiel (the Archangels), as well as millions of other immortal “Beings of Light”.

Thousands of years ago, Lucifer organized and led a coup attempt to seize control of the Universe. He managed to recruit a third of the inhabitants of the Morning Star (angels) into his army, using LIES to CONvince them.

Revelation 12:3-4
12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
12:4 And his tale (of lies - John 8:35) drew the third part of the "Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman (Israel) which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - second coming).

Lucifer's lies were unprecedented, which is why they took the weaker-willed angels by surprise. No one on the Morning Star had EVER lied before Lucifer invented it.

King of kings' Bible - John 8:35-36 (8:44-45 KJV)
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.
Lucifer's failed attempt to overthrow and murder God, so he could take God's Place as The King Ruler of the Universe in heaven, is a well-documented FACT.

Isaiah 14:12-17
14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the Morning (Star)! [How] art thou cut down to the earth, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the North:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like (take the Place of) The Most High.
14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the person that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?

The title Satan is Hebrew and means “the Opposer” (God's adversary). When Lucifer became darkness and evil, he became the d/evil-LIAR, opposing everything that is truthful and good (Matt. 19:17). The great red dragon, devil and Satan are therefore descriptive terms Lucifer earned as a result of his criminal actions. A dragon uses its tail/tale to draw its victims into its clutches, and everything that comes out of its mouth burns its victims. A perfect description of lying Lucifer/Satan/the devil. He is also referred to as being a serpent, because everything that comes out of his mouth is poison.

The War

Lucifer's coup attempt had to be put down by Prince Michael, known here on Earth by many names, including The Messiah/Christ, (the Anointed One/Heir to the Throne – Dan. 10:21, Dan.12:1-4, Col. 1:14-15, Rev. 5:1-9), and His Army, the heavenly host. When the rebellion against God failed and the war ended 6000 years ago, Lucifer and his followers were banished from heaven to the Earth for their TREASON against God.

Revelation 12:7-9
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what kind of spirit ye are of (Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22).

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into Everlasting Fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (YOU that do not DO God's Will):

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What seems particularly pathetic and overtly antichrist is so-called Christians -- most of which have never read the Koran (Quran), and thus know nothing about it -- arguing against God's Word from a point of complete and total ignorance. And in doing so, driving away those who would otherwise be brought to Christ and His TRUE Teachings, with their arrogant, satanic hatred. Whatever happened to love thy neighbor? You hypocrites!

The Koran, if correctly translated, CONFIRMS The Law (Old Covenant) and the Gospel (New Covenant) exactly as the Koran itself says
(Sura 2:97-98, 3:1-3, 4:47, 5:51, 6:92-94, 6:154-157, 10:37, 12:111, 22:52, 35:31, 46:12, 61:6-7), which is the Koran COMMANDS us dozens of times to read the Bible and to NOT be in doubt of it reaching us, because God's Word can NEVER be corrupted (Sura 32:23, Sura 15:9-10).

No one in their right mind could possibly believe that Satan would direct anyone to read the Bible, so falsely claiming the Koran was sent by Satan is an obvious LIE, just as Christ said (Matt. 12:25).

It should be noted that the Koran also continues the historical record of what happened to Lucifer and his angels (those spirit-Beings/souls which fought with Lucifer in the war in heaven against Prince Michael and his angels) once they were confined here on the Earth.
 

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The Testing Process

Once here on Earth, each of us was given the option to be immediately executed for our treason against God, or agree to submit to human limitations, so we could be taught and trained to be good.

Lucifer/Satan/Iblis regards the rest of us as traitors to himself for our decision to submit to the re-education program, and has vowed to do everything within his power and to attack us from every conceivable angle (Eph. 6:12-18), to keep us from learning what we NEED to learn, and doing what we need to DO, to be able to go home. That is why he is now our worst enemy.

Sura 7:11-18
7:11. It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the (fallen) angels submit to Adam (human limitations), and you submitted (Luke 9:55); not so Iblis (Lucifer); he refused to be of you who submitted.
7:12. ("I AM") said: "What prevented thee from submitting when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire (energy), and him from clay."
7:13. ("I AM") said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."
7:14. He said: "Give me respite till the Day they are raised up."
7:15. ("I AM") said: "Be thou among those who have respite."
7:16. He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of The Way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on Thy Straight Way (Matt. 7:13-14):
7:17. "Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: nor wilt Thou find, in MOST of them, gratitude (for Thy mercies)."
7:18. ("I AM") said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell-Fire will I fill with you all (Matt. 8:22).

Sura 15:28-43
15:28. Behold! Thy Lord said to the (fallen) angels: "I am about to create man (humans, "Adams"), from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
15:29. When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit (Gen. 2:7), fall ye down into submission inside him."
15:30. So the (fallen) angels submitted themselves (Luke 9:55), all of them together:
15:31. Except Iblis (Lucifer): he refused to be among those who submitted themselves (to human limitations).
15:32. ("I AM") said: "O Lucifer! What is your reason for not being among those who submitted themselves?"
15:33. (Lucifer) said: "I am not one to submit myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape."
15:34. ("I AM") said: "Then get thee out from here; for thou art rejected, accursed.
15:35. And the Curse shall be on thee till The Day of Judgment."
15:36. (Lucifer) said: "O my Lord! give me then respite till The Day the (dead) are raised."
15:37. ("I AM") said: "Respite is granted thee-
15:38. Till the Day of the Time appointed."
15:39. (Lucifer) said: "O my Lord! Because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the Earth, and I will put them ALL in the wrong (Isaiah 5:20-21),-
15:40. Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."
15:41. ("I AM") said: "This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed The Way that leads straight to Me (John 11:25).
15:42. For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong by following thee."
15:43. And verily, Hell-Fire is the promised abode for them all (Matt. 8:22)!

Sura 17:61-65
17:61. Behold! We said to the (fallen) angels: "Submit unto Adam (man)": you submitted (Luke 9:55) except Iblis (Lucifer): he said, "Shall I submit to one whom Thou didst create from clay?"
17:62. He said: "Seest Thou? This is the one (Adamic man) whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway - all but a few (Rev. 14:3)!"
17:63. ("I AM") said: "Go thy way if any of them follow thee, verily Hell-Fire will be the recompense of you (all)- an ample recompense (Matt. 8:22).
17:64. "Lead to destruction those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice (Isa. 30:8-15); make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them." But Satan promises you nothing but deceit.
17:65. "As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them:" enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs (John 11:25).

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the Life: he that believeth me (NOT Lucifer's lies), though he were "Dead" (under God's death sentence for treason - Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22; Luke 9:55), yet shall he Live (be pardoned):

This is the TRUTH about angels according to the TRUE Bible, which includes the Old Covenant, New Covenant AND the Koran.

Anyone foolish enough to believe that God would allow anyone other than Prince Michael (Christ) to publish the King of kings' Bible is so far into Satan's grip there is no hope.

Revelation 19:16 And he (Christ) hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
 

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This is just opinionated bullshite.
Should Christians use such language? Why do you use foul language? Its a shame you choose to do this.

This is the last thing I'm going to say to you on this subject. It is not my opinion that the term "sons of God" is a term of endearment that God uses. It is entirely biblical. God would never call Satan and his demons His sons after they rebelled against Him in heaven and brought sin into this world.

Sonship is used mainly in three different ways in the Bible.

The first and most common one is of Jesus as the unique “Son of God.” I'm sure you don't need me to explain this any further.

The second is of angels. Job 1:6-7 depicts a heavenly council, the meetings of which happen on a certain day, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them" (verse 6).

Note: Satan is not called a son of God, the verse says "and Satan also came among them." This suggests Satan is not one of them but an intruder. This is confirmed by God’s question: “From where do you come?” (verse 7). The question is not intended to garner information on Satan’s whereabouts, but rather challenges his presence there. Satan, an angelic being, does not belong to the same class of beings called “sons of God” and has no right to be there. This meeting was held regularly (Job 1:6; 2:1) and Satan as representative of this earth since the fall attended these meetings. How do we know this? Satan answer's God's question by stating: [I am here] from going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it” (verse 7). Satan is there because he performs certain functions associated with “sons of God” and this entitles him to be there but he is no son of God clearly.

The third category is of humans as “sons of God” because of creation and especially, redemption. We were created as sons and daughters of God but we lost that status because of sin; but through the redemptive work of Christ we are restored into the family of God if we accept Him.

Matthew 5:9, “Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.”

John 1:12, “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.”
Notice that there were those who were not sons of God, but that through receiving Him became sons of God.

Romans 8:14, “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”

Some Bible translations use the phrase “children of God.”

Galatians 3:26
says, “For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” It is by faith that a man or woman becomes a “child of God.” (See also Isaiah 56:5; Philippians 2:15)

Also In a special way the Israelites were called sons/children of God. Israel is the firstborn son of God (Exodus 4:22-23).

The inescapable conclusion from these verses and others is that the sons of God in Genesis 6 refers to the righteous children of God. It can never be a term used for Satan and his demons and they can't, now or then have procreated with humans. That is impossible. And one verse in the Bible that is misunderstood cannot cancel out all these very clear verses about "sons of God."

Whether you agree with this truth or not about "sons of God" will not change the fact that its the truth of God's Word and NOT my opinion!
 
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Me and my christian friend had a possible encounter with an angel some 25 years ago which is worth recounting-
We were chatting in Leicester (england) city centre, and a young hindu chap came up to us who my pal knew.
The hindu kept belching and yawning and writhing and generally disrupted the chat, and my impression was that he was demonically possessed.
"Let's all go back to my place for a spot of tea" my pal said, so we got on a bus, it was almost empty and the three of us sat side by side on the long back seat.
The bus pulled up at a stop and a young lady got on, and although there were plenty of empty seats available, she surprisingly walked the full length of the bus and plonked herself between the hindu and us!
She just sat there with a pleasant neutral expression on her face, not looking round or speaking, then she got off a few stops later.
We got off a couple of stops later and walked to my pals house for tea with the hindu in tow, and he continued his sloppy slovenly antics.
I had had enough of him, so I made an excuse to leave early and off I went.

With hindsight I can't help wondering if that young lady on the bus was an angel who plonked herself there to shield us from the demons that the hindu chap was infested with?
Also, even though she never said a word, perhaps by her action she was giving us a clear message to keep clear of him in future?

Dictionary:
  1. angel
    noun, "a spiritual being believed to act as an attendant, agent, or messenger of God"
Might have been an angel. Some people can tell but most times we would not know when we've encountered one.

Yes, biblically angels are messengers of God and some are demons with Satan as their leader. But there is one Angel who stands out. This Angel has appeared and spoken to people and Israel as the Angel of the Lord. This Angel receives worship which created angels should not and the good ones do not.

He is the Archangel also known as Michael (Daniel 10:13, 12:1-2, Revelation 12:7), Michael your prince (Daniel 10:21), Michael the Archangel (Jude 1:9), there is only one Archangel in the Bible and He does things only God can do like raise people from the dead, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first" (1 Thessalonians 4:16). It is the voice of Jesus Christ (the Son of man) that raises the dead. Just as the verse above says, the Lord Jesus shall descend from heaven and shout with the voice of the Archangel, because He is the Archangel. With that shout, the righteous dead will be raised from their graves!
 
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@TokiEl and @phipps

Do not waste your time with Freeman, he doesn't believe the Bible is absolute, and quotes from the Quran. He thinks that God would allow mistakes in the Bible to confuse people.

I've had countless discussions with him and they all amounted to nothing. You can checkout the thread called the Trinity Delusion.

You can only teach someone who wants to learn not someone who would do absolutely anything to believe what they believe. And personally anyone who has the guts to remove from scripture and add what he says is "correct" in his own eyes is already on a road to damnation. It's only up to him, he has had enough people speak to him which God has used and he denied them.

Revelation 22:13
[13]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

This is what Jesus said.....yet Freeman will find someway to disregard it.

- God never calls man to judgment without warning.
 

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What are your ideas on the serpent seed? Do you believe the fruit of the garden of Eden was an actual fruit or it was sexual intimacy between Eve and the serpent?

Thus Cain being born and God having put an eminent between the two seeds.

Genesis 3:1
[1]Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:1,7-13
[1]Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[7]And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
[8]And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[9]And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[10]And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
[11]And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
[12]And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
[13]And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Genesis 3:1,7-13,15-17
[1]Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[7]And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
[8]And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[9]And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[10]And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
[11]And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
[12]And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
[13]And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
[15]And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
[16]Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
[17]And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;


Also if you look at their punishements, men must now be circumsized and women get period pains every single month..... What are your thoughts?
What are your ideas on the serpent seed? Do you believe the fruit of the garden of Eden was an actual fruit or it was sexual intimacy between Eve and the serpent?
I believe it was an actual fruit. The language used in the story of the garden of Eden is not symbolic and does not have implicative language. As you know Satan being an angel cannot procreate or have sexual intimacy at all, not even with humans and neither can a serpent who Satan used as a medium to tempt Eve.

Thus Cain being born and God having put an eminent between the two seeds.
Cain was born after Adam and Eve sinned and were banished from Eden (Genesis 3:23). None of Adam and Eve's Children were born before they left Eden. Cain was also born after God had punished man, the serpent and Satan. Its God who put enmity between man and Satan. One writer explains it this way:

"God declares: "I will put enmity." This enmity is not naturally entertained. When man transgressed the divine law, his nature became evil, and he was in harmony, and not at variance, with Satan. There exists naturally no enmity between sinful man and the originator of sin. Both became evil through apostasy. The apostate is never at rest, except as he obtains sympathy and support by inducing others to follow his example. For this reason fallen angels and wicked men unite in desperate companionship. Had not God specially interposed, Satan and man would have entered into an alliance against Heaven; and instead of cherishing enmity against Satan, the whole human family would have been united in opposition to God.

"Satan tempted man to sin, as he had caused angels to rebel, that he might thus secure co-operation in his warfare against Heaven. There was no dissension between himself and the fallen angels as regards their hatred of Christ; while on all other points there was discord, they were firmly united in opposing the authority of the Ruler of the universe. But when Satan heard the declaration that enmity should exist between himself and the woman, and between his seed and her seed, he knew that his efforts to deprave human nature would be interrupted; that by some means man was to be enabled to resist his power." The Great Controversy: Chapter 30 This explains it better than I can.
 

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@TokiEl and @phipps

Do not waste your time with Freeman, he doesn't believe the Bible is absolute, and quotes from the Quran. He thinks that God would allow mistakes in the Bible to confuse people.

I've had countless discussions with him and they all amounted to nothing. You can checkout the thread called the Trinity Delusion.

You can only teach someone who wants to learn not someone who would do absolutely anything to believe what they believe. And personally anyone who has the guts to remove from scripture and add what he says is "correct" in his own eyes is already on a road to damnation. It's only up to him, he has had enough people speak to him which God has used and he denied them.

Revelation 22:13
[13]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

This is what Jesus said.....yet Freeman will find someway to disregard it.

- God never calls man to judgment without warning.
I know what Freeman believes and I've told him/her that its pagan. Most times I do not respond to his/her posts. I just felt that in my thread I had to respond to the lies he/she continually spreads on these forums. I never really get into a discussion with him/her at all. Thanks for the warning though.
 
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I believe it was an actual fruit. The language used in the story of the garden of Eden is not symbolic and does not have implicative language. As you know Satan being an angel cannot procreate or have sexual intimacy at all, not even with humans and neither can a serpent who Satan used as a medium to tempt Eve.
True Satan can't procreate for he is an angel however the serpent(which was the most subtle creature in the field meaning he was so close to being a human) was able to for he was used by the devil to beguil Eve(beguil is to seduce, and to seduce someone leads to it being a sexual thing)

The Bible is both literal and figurative, it takes revelation to distinguish which is which.

Proverbs 30:20
[20]Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.

And also another interesting thing, Cain is never mentioned to be the Son of Adam in the Bible. Instead his Father is the devil.

1 John 3:12
[12]Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Cain was born after Adam and Eve sinned and were banished from Eden (Genesis 3:23). None of Adam and Eve's Children were born before they left Eden. Cain was also born after God had punished man, the serpent and Satan. Its God who put enmity between man and Satan. One writer explains it this way:

"God declares: "I will put enmity." This enmity is not naturally entertained. When man transgressed the divine law, his nature became evil, and he was in harmony, and not at variance, with Satan. There exists naturally no enmity between sinful man and the originator of sin. Both became evil through apostasy. The apostate is never at rest, except as he obtains sympathy and support by inducing others to follow his example. For this reason fallen angels and wicked men unite in desperate companionship. Had not God specially interposed, Satan and man would have entered into an alliance against Heaven; and instead of cherishing enmity against Satan, the whole human family would have been united in opposition to God.

"Satan tempted man to sin, as he had caused angels to rebel, that he might thus secure co-operation in his warfare against Heaven. There was no dissension between himself and the fallen angels as regards their hatred of Christ; while on all other points there was discord, they were firmly united in opposing the authority of the Ruler of the universe. But when Satan heard the declaration that enmity should exist between himself and the woman, and between his seed and her seed, he knew that his efforts to deprave human nature would be interrupted; that by some means man was to be enabled to resist his power." The Great Controversy: Chapter 30 This explains it better than I can.
I'm not so sure as to what this means but seeds are a clear indication in the Bible as a the male seeds attached to women's eggs.

And also Abel made a blood sacrifice to God while Cain made a fruit sacrifice. Whatever sacrifice was needed must point back to the beggining in the garden of Eden.

There was a mixture of sex glands between the serpent and Eve. It wasn't an actual fruit to which Cain brought to God. That's why God was more pleased with Abel's offering.

And throughout the Bible we learn that blood is needed for the remission of sins. Not fruit offering but blood.
 

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I know what Freeman belives and I've told him/her that its pagan. Most times I do not respond to his/her posts. I just felt that in my thread I had to respond to the lies he/she continually spreads on these forums. I never really get into a discussion with him/her at all. Thanks for the warning though.
You're welcome :)
 

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There was another bit in the paper today saying how young people nowadays are prone to all kinds of stress and neuroses, and nobody seems to know why.
Personally I think it's because they're under demonic influence because they're not Christian.
Our atheistic establishment has put them off Jesus and Christianity, so it therefore never crosses their minds to get Jesus and God into their heads to flush out the demons.

Jesus said- "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you" (John 14:20)
 
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