It’s time to fight for our Freedom, I’m scared...

[rainerann]

My sister is an RN.. and says masks are worthless. Pretty much the same thing this nurse is saying.

So when i see you make posts attempting to shame people for not obeying as if they were sheep. I have to wonder what you're doing in a thread saying its time to stand up.. when you've already rolled over and are playing dead?

I really don’t care what you do or don’t do. The evidence will speak for itself in the long run. What you are saying has nothing to do with what i said, but maybe you don’t know enough to respond to what I said directly. So you try to switch gears.

masks are not relevant to the reality that if you have more people who need intervention than you have people available to intervene, there is the potential for people to die of every condition.

why don’t you try to respond directly to what I’m saying instead of propping up the politicization regarding masks. I never mentioned masks one time. However, you probably don’t know enough to try to discuss anything but masks because all you really know about this situation is what you have learned from your right wing media sources, which is primarily comprised with articles concerning masks.

 

[Maes17]

Freaking life being compared to wall-e
Never thought this day would come......

That’s where we are headed missy.

 

[DavidSon]

@Bianca- stay strong!

There are millions of us worldwide who agree with everything you're sensing. There's something very wrong with the rollout of the COVID operation and common people everywhere know it. From its supposed origin, to the designation of a pandemic by the WHO, misleading information about deaths... the manufactured hysteria based on a PCR test that was never intended to diagnose disease. There are mountains of conflicting narratives and it shows something bigger than a virus is afoot.

God is great! This episode is plainly showing us who is who. The globalist elites are rising out of the shadows, openly celebrating their agenda for biological and social engineering. There's now a line drawn in the sand between those who trust the billionaire (trillionaire?) class and their team of doctors, scientists, politicians, think tanks, news outlets... vs. those of us who believe in truth, who believe in democratic governance. The manufactured pandemic is awakening citizens willing to search deeper for facts.

We're not alone. There are literally hundreds of thousands of attorneys, medical professionals, and other figures in all fields repeating the truth: Masks don't work preventing a virus, and lockdowns cause more harm than a coronavirus. Together we will continue speaking out, filing lawsuits, protesting, and resisting lies in every way possible. There's so many people questioning the motives of the WEF, Gates, wicked Fauci, etc. that our governments and billionaire corporations are using the military to suppress free speech and spread misinformation online LOL! The pharmaceutical companies are the ones who are afraid, not us! They've hired literal armies of online trolls to spy on us and create conflict. They're purging social media of dissent and they've said they want to censor the web just like in China.

The satanic power structure might be able to block the internet but they could never defeat the truth. We have too much pride, decency, compassion, bravery, love, and resilience to blindly go along with their agenda. Good always conquers evil, and we are on the side of RIGHT! Try as they may, they'll never defeat nature or stop the will of God.

 

[SkepticCat]

I’m depressed & have to say something... it’s like one day they told us to stay home, and we did. And now my once thriving neighborhood of small businesses has been reduced to a sea of “For Lease” signs in just a matter of months. How much longer will we sit back & take it? I feel like the Stimulus Check was hush money to keep us distracted... and it worked. Seriously at what point do we say “enough is enough?!”

Only browsed your post and didn´t read rest of thread. Here´s your reply: People aren´t going to wake up and do anything. You can see how little attention this Vigilant Citizen website receives, despite how dire the situation is. You´re going to have to face that humanity is in a rather bad condition these years.

Sorry, but this is how it is. The vast majority of the masses are behaving so stupidly right now it is near impossible to fathom. Yet, this is the situation we´ll have to put up with for an unknown duration of time. Most people do not have even the ability to conceptualize the situation that their own government is out to get them - much less the ability to do anything useful about it. People should have wisened up and acted many years ago (especially following 9/11) and we´re much worse off today because they didn´t.

Using online social media is the easiest way to stay connected to other ´truthers´but keep in mind that anything you post will get tracked.

 

[Wigi]

im curious when you say you work in a hospital in California, what you mean by the message that you were told about helping neutropenic patients?

there are so many things that don’t make sense to me in what you are saying that center around this statement.

California is one of the only states that has a nursing ratio. Really, if you look at the covid numbers across the country, you could say that there is evidence that nursing ratios create better patient outcomes overall based on how California has fared in comparison to the rest of the country.

with a novel disease, you don’t want to see something apocalyptic. Saying that things seem boring is fantastic news and people act like it is the evidence of something sinister.

the reality is that if there is not enough people to provide intervention, people die. Covid or not. That is why California has nursing ratios. That is why there are large nursing unions throughout the country. Capacity concerns are not something new. If you have more people who need intervention than people available to intervene, people will die across the board in greater numbers. They will die of all things, cancer, stroke, etc.

if this kind of tragedy is not taking place, we should be grateful especially considering the history of something like the Black Plague.

this isn’t directed at you, but everyone else saying this or that about what you have seen. Unless you have an example of a case of covid within the hospital, you’re example only represents someone who is able to be treated as an outpatient. It is absurd that everyone nods when someone tells them what they want to hear about this. Everyone acts like it is gospel truth when someone says they know someone with a mild case so obviously saying there are more severe cases is just a lie. But having a different perspective that includes a completely full hospital on a regular basis ever since early summer and increasing in the number of covid cases as we approach winter is a lie because the other person said they knew someone who only had mild symptoms. Just such crap.

with every condition, there are those who can be treated as an outpatient and those who will be treated in the hospital. I don’t know how people are so ignorant of this, but many of you seem to be.

some people get chemo as an outpatient and go home afterward, some people get chemo in the hospital. Why is this hard to understand? This is true with every diagnosis.

if the volume in the hospitals in your area is low. That is good. That is the way it should be which has already been evidenced by the many areas that have not been so lucky.

either way, anything requiring intervention exists under the same umbrella. If there are more people who need intervention than there are people available to intervene, people could potentially die of every condition that exists. It will be somewhat equal across the board. It will not discriminate. It will not target cancer patients over covid patients or vice versa.

this is not new. This was a situation that existed before. The general public just wasn’t aware of this Until now. It is why hospital related deaths are the 8th leading cause of death in the country. It is why California has nursing ratios. It is why nursing unions exist across the country. There is much more to healthcare than prescription medications and pharmaceutical companies.

people take for granted how healthy we are everyday. Many people are sheltering in clean houses with some degree of healthy food and water and overall opportunity to help them avoid getting sick. Covid not creating a more tragic outcome is really the result of privilege, rather than anything to do with covid at all.

most of the people on this forum come from some degree of privilege or does no one notice that there aren’t many people from Yemen or Bangladesh or some other area struggling with some more legitimate crises. Most people are from areas with clean water, food, clothes, and somewhat elaborate healthcare systems by comparison around here trying to act like they are being victimized. Making comparisons to slavery or some other excessive comparison that is equally ridiculous.

that is why this situation is not worse. Most everyone in here is privileged even if you had a stint on the streets or experienced some other hardship in life. It is still nothing comparable to what has taken place throughout history. It is also not comparable to some things that are taking place right now in this world. Be grateful. Take care of yourselves. There is no reason to think that we are losing freedoms in the long run. The world is becoming more remote. You can complain about the integration of technology if you want, but I don’t know that many of you would really be able to survive without many of the things we take for granted like electricity.

people have complained about technology since the early days of the industrial revolution and here we are. i swear people need to get a grip.

or don’t and keep complaining. We’ll see if you all are singing the same song in January. Personally, I love the boring of this situation. God forbid we did have something more serious. I’m fully convinced based on how I have seen people respond, that we would be up a creek. There is no way I would depend on any of you who deny this situation for survival. I don’t feel like most of you have a whole lot of common sense considering what I have seen people discuss concerning covid throughout this last year.

I noticed you're becoming more cynical this past few weeks.
I understand your points and frustrations but there is no need to tackle everyone like that.

You say 'people take for granted how healthy we are everyday'.
That's not true, we're all aware that nature have lots of illness in store that kills people by thousands (if not millions)every year. That's why this covid stunt is even more suspicious today compared to the first 3 months.
Now we must believe that our governments really cares about preserving our health? Really?

Most people are from areas with clean water, food, clothes, and somewhat elaborate healthcare systems by comparison around here trying to act like they are being victimized.

You forgot to say as long as you still have a job that provide you all these things. Which is problematic when they force their lockdown on us.

Making comparisons to slavery or some other excessive comparison that is equally ridiculous.

Sorry to disappoint but no it's not an overstatement nor it is excessive to use those terms, yes lockdown is tyranny. Yes telling people to wear a mask in their home is slavery and yes people shouldn't accept that.

There is no reason to think that we are losing freedoms in the long run. The world is becoming more remote. You can complain about the integration of technology if you want, but I don’t know that many of you would really be able to survive without many of the things we take for granted like electricity.

One can welcome innovation and progress and not give a blank check to everything that is proposed to us. After 9/11 everyone said there was no reason to believe we're losing freedoms.

 

[rainerann]

I noticed you're becoming more cynical this past few weeks.
I understand your points and frustrations but there is no need to tackle everyone like that.

I don’t think you do. I’ve been in a facility with a covid unit since March that I have seen with my own eyes fluctuate based on social distancing conditions. It has never closed since it opened and it is increasing as we speak again.

so again, when you have more people who require intervention than you have people available to intervene, there is the potential for people to die of every condition in greater numbers. That has always been an issue that most people do not realize because there isn’t a whole lot of people who have ever been in a real situation that required someone to do something for them that they could not do for themselves. I notice you cant respond directly to what I’m saying here either.

even if you have been in some kind of near death situation, there are not many people around here who have seen this on a scale that would give them a perspective outside isolated experiences.

If the only thing that most of you can do in response to this situation is complain about masks, then we are going to be in trouble if something more serious comes along.

it won’t matter though in the long run. Most of the stuff people are saying about covid is going to continue to become crap in the long run. Most things already have but most of you are behind the curve because you have stuck you head so far in the sand by surrounding yourself with an echo chamber that tells you what you want to hear, that the same crap alt media propagandists were saying in March is still true for you. Good luck with your fantasy version of reality.

 

[rainerann]

Lol and if we are going to make a comparison to 9/11. Then most of you guys are basically saying that the towers never fell to the ground at all. the media is just lying to you. No one died when the tower was hit. That is the equivalent of a lot of things posted about covid around here.

9/11 really happened. The question was who was responsible for the towers falling. The same is true. If there is corruption, it is traced to something that can be hidden like this.

it is not going to be one of the many things that has been part of the surface experience for most healthcare workers for many years now.

literally it would be nice to see someone talk about hand washing every now and then. People know that a lot of people don’t think they need to wash their hands after they go to the bathroom right? There have been surveys about this. But, they think there is something real suspicious about the fact that covid is spreading the way it is right now. I just don’t think their is. I have been watching the community respond to other contagious issues for many years. Everyone knows there are antibacterial resistant bacteria roaming around right? It is entirely believable that covid would still spread even when there were measures required to prevent it from spreading.

really, the only reason that anyone would be able to take away your freedoms during a pandemic is because there are a lot of stupid people out there. Instead of helping to educate any of them to take better care of themselves to prevent something like this being necessary, most of you will choose to encourage them to be paranoid over the request to wear a mask.

this is because most of you are not capable of doing a whole lot in the face of a pandemic but complain.

the response I have seen to covid by some people in the community is entirely the reason that anyone would have the potential to take away freedom as a result of a moderate pandemic.

Covid is a moderate pandemic. That is reality.

 

[lightseeker]

literally it would be nice to see someone talk about hand washing every now and then.

Guys, would be nice if you talked about clipping your toe nails as well

 

[rainerann]

Many Americans don't always wash their hands after going to the bathroom | YouGov

Fewer than half of 18-to 24-year-olds (48%) say that they always wash their hands with soap after using the restroom at home.

today.yougov.com

I wonder how many of the people that don’t wash their hands after going to the bathroom are also complaining about masks.

educating people to reduce the spread of multiple things that circulate within the community, is a good thing in the long run And people are acting like it is the end of the world.

I just hope that people realize that a large portion of the reality of the covid situation is the direct result of a large number of people not knowing how to take care of themselves in a way that prevents the spread of germs.

People have the opportunity to take your freedoms As a result of a moderate pandemic because of this. The echo chamber you are creating is not going to help you in the long run.

 

[rainerann]

Guys, would be nice if you talked about clipping your toe nails as well

perfect example of why anyone would have the opportunity to take your freedom as the result of something that is preventable like a contagious disease. Comparing hand washing to clipping toe nails. This right here is what I’m talking about.

 

[rainerann]

You can try to remove the situation from reality to the realm of philosophy if you want. The reality of how germs spread will stay the same.

 

[lightseeker]

Lol and if we are going to make a comparison to 9/11. Then most of you guys are basically saying that the towers never fell to the ground at all. the media is just lying to you. No one died when the tower was hit. That is the equivalent of a lot of things posted about covid around here.

9/11 really happened. The question was who was responsible for the towers falling. The same is true. If there is corruption, it is traced to something that can be hidden like this.

it is not going to be one of the many things that has been part of the surface experience for most healthcare workers for many years now.

literally it would be nice to see someone talk about hand washing every now and then. People know that a lot of people don’t think they need to wash their hands after they go to the bathroom right? There have been surveys about this. But, they think there is something real suspicious about the fact that covid is spreading the way it is right now. I just don’t think their is. I have been watching the community respond to other contagious issues for many years. Everyone knows there are antibacterial resistant bacteria roaming around right? It is entirely believable that covid would still spread even when there were measures required to prevent it from spreading.

really, the only reason that anyone would be able to take away your freedoms during a pandemic is because there are a lot of stupid people out there. Instead of helping to educate any of them to take better care of themselves to prevent something like this being necessary, most of you will choose to encourage them to be paranoid over the request to wear a mask.

this is because most of you are not capable of doing a whole lot in the face of a pandemic but complain.

the response I have seen to covid by some people in the community is entirely the reason that anyone would have the potential to take away freedom as a result of a moderate pandemic.

Covid is a moderate pandemic. That is reality.

You are such a perfect example of the arrogant high horse medical establishment that is sentencing the world to poverty and starvation over a disease that is asymptomatic in 30% of cases and non lethal in 99.998% for people under 70. Its crazy to see one of you in the wild.

 

[rainerann]

You are such a perfect example of the arrogant high horse medical establishment that is sentencing the world to poverty and starvation over a disease that is asymptomatic in 30% of cases and non lethal in 99.998% for people under 70. Its crazy to see one of you in the wild.

right, suggesting that people wash their hands and pay attention to how they can learn to prevent the spread of disease in order to truly protect their freedoms that they want to keep, is just so arrogant.

but comparing hand washing to clipping toe nails is an insightful way to respond to the situation.

you’re a perfect example of the ignorance that has made this whole situation possible.

 

[Lil axe]

@Bianca- stay strong!

There are millions of us worldwide who agree with everything you're sensing. There's something very wrong with the rollout of the COVID operation and common people everywhere know it. From its supposed origin, to the designation of a pandemic by the WHO, misleading information about deaths... the manufactured hysteria based on a PCR test that was never intended to diagnose disease. There are mountains of conflicting narratives and it shows something bigger than a virus is afoot.

God is great! This episode is plainly showing us who is who. The globalist elites are rising out of the shadows, openly celebrating their agenda for biological and social engineering. There's now a line drawn in the sand between those who trust the billionaire (trillionaire?) class and their team of doctors, scientists, politicians, think tanks, news outlets... vs. those of us who believe in truth, who believe in democratic governance. The manufactured pandemic is awakening citizens willing to search deeper for facts.

We're not alone. There are literally hundreds of thousands of attorneys, medical professionals, and other figures in all fields repeating the truth: Masks don't work preventing a virus, and lockdowns cause more harm than a coronavirus. Together we will continue speaking out, filing lawsuits, protesting, and resisting lies in every way possible. There's so many people questioning the motives of the WEF, Gates, wicked Fauci, etc. that our governments and billionaire corporations are using the military to suppress free speech and spread misinformation online LOL! The pharmaceutical companies are the ones who are afraid, not us! They've hired literal armies of online trolls to spy on us and create conflict. They're purging social media of dissent and they've said they want to censor the web just like in China.

The satanic power structure might be able to block the internet but they could never defeat the truth. We have too much pride, decency, compassion, bravery, love, and resilience to blindly go along with their agenda. Good always conquers evil, and we are on the side of RIGHT! Try as they may, they'll never defeat nature or stop the will of God.

thank you for that
i didn't sleep much last night, was upset about this hoax and possibility of mandatory cv 1984 vaccines, which i feel may be the mark, being placed in camps, etc
i pray everyday that the good innocent people see the lies and resist the evil being forced upon us, and our spirit will not be broken
made me smile to read what you wrote, thanks again

 

[lightseeker]

right, suggesting that people wash their hands and pay attention to how they can learn to prevent the spread of disease in order to truly protect their freedoms that they want to keep, is just so arrogant.

but comparing hand washing to clipping toe nails is an insightful way to respond to the situation.

you’re a perfect example of the ignorance that has made this whole situation possible.

This situation was "made possible" because it was planned out two years ago at the world economic forum. Gaslighting the general public and telling us we are responsible for it, is definitely part of that, And if it was just handwashing that you arrogant psychos in the medical field are demanding, that would be one thing. But you're not. You are demanding tens of millions become unemployed, starve in food lines, destroy our health through your psychotic demands on our lifestyle changes where some people cant even go outside right now, and soon, to accept your untested vaccines be shot into our bodies. All because of a disease that is asymptomatic in 30% of cases, in other words, people are healthy when they test positive. In a just world, you would be tried for crimes against mankind

 

[rainerann]

This situation was "made possible" because it was planned out two years ago at the world economic forum. Gaslighting the general public and telling us we are responsible for it, is definitely part of that, And if it was just handwashing that you arrogant psychos in the medical field are demanding, that would be one thing. But you're not. You are demanding tens of millions become unemployed, starve in food lines, destroy our health through your psychotic demands on our lifestyle changes where some people cant even go outside right now, and soon, to accept your untested vaccines be shot into our bodies. All because of a disease that is asymptomatic in 30% of cases, in other words, people are healthy when they test positive. In a just world, you would be tried for crimes against mankind

lol you are making gross exaggerations, which will also contribute to making a reality like the one you imagine possible.

the stupidity behind the suggestion that anyone is demanding that people starve is not even worth responding you.

you’re prejudice towards me for suggesting that personal responsibility and education is a way to protect freedoms is just one of the many reasons I can’t take any of you that have no direct experience with covid patients seriously.

Your dramatic little speech here may as well be called propaganda.

Again, for every disease, there are some people who will need to go to the hospital and some people who won’t. Some people can go home after surgeries that other people will have to stay in the hospital for. This is true for every condition.

it matters whether covid requires hospitalization and how many people will require hospitalization for covid Because if you have more people who require intervention than you have people available to intervene, there is the potential for people to die of every condition in greater numbers.

30% may be asymptomatic, but how many of the total number of Positive covid cases require hospitalization, is really the number that matters. Requiring hospitalization means that the disease has progressed to the point that you will need someone to do for you what you can’t do for yourself.

I have been in a facility since March and there are enough people who have required admission to the hospital for me to consider this a moderate pandemic because the volume of covid patients creates a risk for every patient in the hospital Outside of the obvious concerns over spreading germs. I have seen this number fluctuate in response to measures used to prevent the spread with my own eyes.

this has been going on since March, there are not large numbers of nurses ready to go on strike at this point because they don’t want to play act that covid is real anymore when it isn’t. You can try to say there are so many doctors and nurses telling you what you want to hear if you want. The fact Is, there isn‘t. I don’t know anyone who is trying to say that covid is a flesh eating bacteria. I also don’t know anyone who is ready to strike because they are being forced to play along with a lie.

this is a moderate pandemic that has been present in the hospital system since March. You can keep repeating what someone said on YouTube when this all started and ignore what I’m saying if you want, but reality is going to catch up with you one day.

 

[lightseeker]

lol you are making gross exaggerations, which will also contribute to making a reality like the one you imagine possible.

Not a single word of my post was an exaggeration you arrogant psycho. Tens of millions are unemployed now because of bullshit lies from people like you and their tyrannical laws for this cold. Tens of millions are lining up in food lines because they cant afford food. An estimated 30 million more will be homeless by January in the united states alone. Your ignorance speaks volumes, absolute volumes

 

[rainerann]

Not a single word of my post was an exaggeration you arrogant psycho. Tens of millions are unemployed now because of bullshit lies from people like you and their tyrannical laws for this cold. Tens of millions are lining up in food lines because they cant afford food. An estimated 30 million more will be homeless by January in the united states alone. Your ignorance speaks volumes, absolute volumes

ignore everything I just said and keep up the gross exaggerations. Just a really productive way to respond to a situation like this.

I would also like a source for what you’re saying because you are describing a situation that is remniscent of depression era poverty.

there is nothing resembling this degree of poverty where I am and I have lived through hot spot status. You’re making things up.

 

[lightseeker]

Yeah that's hilarious isnt it

 

[rainerann]

Yeah that's hilarious isnt it

I added to that response. I want a source for this depression era poverty you speak of.