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why are you opening my wound ? lol
I am both sad and glad at the same time. Their management perfectly succeeded to fail a group with full of talents, charisma and popularity. But I am glad that we do not see how they change with popularity and support of elites. Bee tea es members had innocent look in their eyes before 2016 (bst era), now it is totally gone. I do not want to see the same for B@p. y0ng_guk_guk_guk is in military now but zel0 is still doing great music.
I am sorry that it hurts lol! I am glad ZLO and Bang Y are doing good as solo artists. I hope Bang Y will be back. I agree with you and ZLO same with or especially the artist Beenzino are having a good musician life. Better than being turned into sellouts with not much creative freedom that Beeteees used to be in the early days.

Some toxic armees were attacking Beeeeeeenzino because of his song but I am glad some armees agreed that he's having a good artist life. I can say he's lucky because he has million organic views in some of his music videos. Performed and collabed with other SK artists and he has a German girlfriend and best of all his fans are not bat shit crazy. He looks like he is earning good despite not being a sellout even Lolcow kpop (a girls' website equivalent to 4chan and are often trashtalking kpop idols) is admiring him.
 
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Guys I was bored and I saw a question “which Kpop artists give you bad vibes” and I clicked and I saw so many relating to BTS and I was so intrigued. My findings were so interesting, so I will share them. It’s interesting to see what fans and people in general pick up from
Someone. I think God really shows to you how someone is and through seeing people, you can tell what type of people they are.


Jimin - Ok Jimin was the one who had the most negative feedback. A lot of people (even army) said that Jimin is very attention seeking, and he uses other members to gain attention on himself. So he comes off as manipulative and self-centred. They also said his persona as the caring one seems exaggerated and he seems very arrogant and different to what he is portrayed. Other people said they couldn’t say exactly why they disliked him but there was something about him that was off and weird/ evil. I was shocked to see how many people have such negative things to say about him

JK- a lot of people said JK was very arrogant. He thinks too much of himself and is kind of like a player. He isn’t genuine with fans and knows he can get with any of his fans so he uses that to fill his ego. They also said he boasts about how good he is at things and because of that, he doesn’t try as hard as he thinks he’s already good

Jhope - a lot of people said things about him. Many commented on his fake persona and there being no way someone could be so happy all the time. People mentioned that Jhope seems to have a completely different attitude behind the scenes as there are clips where he’s very stern and cold. They said that he’s coming off as fake and it’s scary to think that he could be a totally different person.

The rest weren’t talked about as much as the above 3, but people still made interesting comments.

RM - people said he seems to be very mocking to the other members in America and the way he acts is like he’s making fun of them because they can’t speak English. Also he seems to just read and say he’s intelligent but it’s just the surface and he just reads what’s given to him without looking deeper

Suga - arrogant, seems to judge other people. Surprisingly not much was said about him

V - Cold personality, but at least he doesn’t fake his persona like Jhope, he seems to always be in a mood and it’s annoying because it brings negative vibes. He seems to want things his way and throws tantrums if he doesn’t get it. He’s lazy and unmotivated

Jin- the least about him, I can’t even remember anyone saying anything bad about him tbh. Him and V were the most favoured

Anyways I found it interesting because some people here have similar thoughts. I was surprised that Jimin had the most responses though!
 
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Guys I was bored and I saw a question “which Kpop artists give you bad vibes” and I clicked and I saw so many relating to BTS and I was so intrigued. My findings were so interesting, so I will share them. It’s interesting to see what fans and people in general pick up from
Someone. I think God really shows to you how someone is and through seeing people, you can tell what type of people they are.


Jimin - Ok Jimin was the one who had the most negative feedback. A lot of people (even army) said that Jimin is very attention seeking, and he uses other members to gain attention on himself. So he comes off as manipulative and self-centred. They also said his persona as the caring one seems exaggerated and he seems very arrogant and different to what he is portrayed. Other people said they couldn’t say exactly why they disliked him but there was something about him that was off and weird/ evil. I was shocked to see how many people have such negative things to say about him

JK- a lot of people said JK was very arrogant. He thinks too much of himself and is kind of like a player. He isn’t genuine with fans and knows he can get with any of his fans so he uses that to fill his ego. They also said he boasts about how good he is at things and because of that, he doesn’t try as hard as he thinks he’s already good

Jhope - a lot of people said things about him. Many commented on his fake persona and there being no way someone could be so happy all the time. People mentioned that Jhope seems to have a completely different attitude behind the scenes as there are clips where he’s very stern and cold. They said that he’s coming off as fake and it’s scary to think that he could be a totally different person.

The rest weren’t talked about as much as the above 3, but people still made interesting comments.

RM - people said he seems to be very mocking to the other members in America and the way he acts is like he’s making fun of them because they can’t speak English. Also he seems to just read and say he’s intelligent but it’s just the surface and he just reads what’s given to him without looking deeper

Suga - arrogant, seems to judge other people. Surprisingly not much was said about him

V - Cold personality, but at least he doesn’t fake his persona like Jhope, he seems to always be in a mood and it’s annoying because it brings negative vibes. He seems to want things his way and throws tantrums if he doesn’t get it. He’s lazy and unmotivated

Jin- the least about him, I can’t even remember anyone saying anything bad about him tbh. Him and V were the most favoured

Anyways I found it interesting because some people here have similar thoughts. I was surprised that Jimin had the most responses though!
I sae that too. Jimin and jhope are always targeted and i'm here for it XD
 

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Guys I was bored and I saw a question “which Kpop artists give you bad vibes” and I clicked and I saw so many relating to BTS and I was so intrigued. My findings were so interesting, so I will share them. It’s interesting to see what fans and people in general pick up from
Someone. I think God really shows to you how someone is and through seeing people, you can tell what type of people they are.


Jimin - Ok Jimin was the one who had the most negative feedback. A lot of people (even army) said that Jimin is very attention seeking, and he uses other members to gain attention on himself. So he comes off as manipulative and self-centred. They also said his persona as the caring one seems exaggerated and he seems very arrogant and different to what he is portrayed. Other people said they couldn’t say exactly why they disliked him but there was something about him that was off and weird/ evil. I was shocked to see how many people have such negative things to say about him

JK- a lot of people said JK was very arrogant. He thinks too much of himself and is kind of like a player. He isn’t genuine with fans and knows he can get with any of his fans so he uses that to fill his ego. They also said he boasts about how good he is at things and because of that, he doesn’t try as hard as he thinks he’s already good

Jhope - a lot of people said things about him. Many commented on his fake persona and there being no way someone could be so happy all the time. People mentioned that Jhope seems to have a completely different attitude behind the scenes as there are clips where he’s very stern and cold. They said that he’s coming off as fake and it’s scary to think that he could be a totally different person.

The rest weren’t talked about as much as the above 3, but people still made interesting comments.

RM - people said he seems to be very mocking to the other members in America and the way he acts is like he’s making fun of them because they can’t speak English. Also he seems to just read and say he’s intelligent but it’s just the surface and he just reads what’s given to him without looking deeper

Suga - arrogant, seems to judge other people. Surprisingly not much was said about him

V - Cold personality, but at least he doesn’t fake his persona like Jhope, he seems to always be in a mood and it’s annoying because it brings negative vibes. He seems to want things his way and throws tantrums if he doesn’t get it. He’s lazy and unmotivated

Jin- the least about him, I can’t even remember anyone saying anything bad about him tbh. Him and V were the most favoured

Anyways I found it interesting because some people here have similar thoughts. I was surprised that Jimin had the most responses though!
I used to feel the same way about Jimin when I was an army! But I thought that was just me being a bad fan. And at the beginning of my love for BTS i never liked Jin that much or yoongi. But I LOVE them now (Still doo lol) . I felt like V was always silenced the most by the group sonetimes JK but I took it as a joke most times.
But jimin yea he acts a lil too extra sometimes and LOVES attention, like there is no dening THAT!
(Btw where did u get these answers from lol)
 
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I sae that too. Jimin and jhope are always targeted and i'm here for it XD
Aye, all their personas are fake as hell lol, but them two exaggerate the most lmao.

I used to feel the same way about Jimin when I was an army! But I thought that was just me being a bad fan. And at the beginning of my love for BTS i never liked Jin that much or yoongi. But I LOVE them now (Still doo lol) . I felt like V was always silenced the most by the group sonetimes JK but I took it as a joke most times.
But jimin yea he acts a lil too extra sometimes and LOVES attention, like there is no dening THAT!
(Btw where did u get these answers from lol)
Here is one link... there are others I clicked on. If you type “which Kpop artist/which BTS member don’t you like” there will be a lot of results lol. I screenshotted some responses too.

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These were talking about Jimin Jhope V

I agree with you. I felt something off with RM and Jimin but I thought I was being weird as a fan especially since Jimin was my bias wrecker. There were times when I saw Jimins anger and the way he acted was cold. To be fair all of them excluding Jin have had these moments
 

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Aye, all their personas are fake as hell lol, but them two exaggerate the most lmao.



Here is one link... there are others I clicked on. If you type “which Kpop artist/which BTS member don’t you like” there will be a lot of results lol. I screenshotted some responses too.

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These were talking about Jimin Jhope V

I agree with you. I felt something off with RM and Jimin but I thought I was being weird as a fan especially since Jimin was my bias wrecker. There were times when I saw Jimins anger and the way he acted was cold. To be fair all of them excluding Jin have had these moments
Yep i've actually checked one on quora where the girl was like she couldn't stand Jimin because he gave wanting attention too much vibes and that's when i started to realize it too! I'm suprised u got these from quora lol. I'll check some more out thank u girl!!
 
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I'm so glad y'all know quora exists. I'm disguised as an army there! I've seen many opinions about BTS and I'll show you another its from this Aubrey girl...View attachment 43351View attachment 43352View attachment 43353
lmbo..people are calling her a bts hater on quora...:rolleyes:
I dont follow BTS that deeply, I want to know why do people observe that he is lazy? I dont get it coz we dont see them all the time, can someone explain?

Yeah looking back on what I saw Jimin does seem to be so attention seeking shame.

I think peoples disappointed comes from believing these people were real but I realized nothing on screen is real, hell even reality tv isn't real LMAO

yoongi does come off as being judgemental and arrogant, but I cant deny he is an excellent rapper in my opinion, the rap line is good.

RM is too smug for my liking

JK does seem bland to me. He seems to be gaining that alpha confidence and seems to have ditched the cuteness

Jhope I do feel keeps it professional and sticks to his on screen persona
 
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I'm so glad y'all know quora exists. I'm disguised as an army there! I've seen many opinions about BTS and I'll show you another its from this Aubrey girl...View attachment 43351View attachment 43352View attachment 43353
lmbo..people are calling her a bts hater on quora...:rolleyes:
I freaking love this! Made me laugh lol She thinks so much like me. It’s so obvious they are jealous of Tae lol, and I seriously don’t understand why he’s both hated and loved. Literally he posts a picture of his eyes and he gets like 5 mill likes lol. But then his own fans change biases and he’s seen as boring lol. Suga is dissing anything and everything for recognition and Jhope dances his heart out but V who basically doesn’t even put no effort into anything anymore just smiles for a second and comments flood in about him. He’s the most sold out member and is the second most popular after JK even though he gets the least screen time or publicity. Imagine if he got the most lol

“Taehyung could take all my money”

“His box smile was missed”

“I will never get over how beautiful this man is. He’s a whole course meal”

Makes me laugh!!! Literally so funny!!
 
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I freaking love this! Made me laugh lol She thinks so much like me. It’s so obvious they are jealous of Tae lol, and I seriously don’t understand why he’s both hated and loved. Literally he posts a picture of his eyes and he gets like 5 mill likes lol. But then his own fans change biases and he’s seen as boring lol. Suga is dissing anything and everything for recognition and Jhope dances his heart out but V who basically doesn’t even put no effort into anything anymore just smiles for a second and comments flood in about him. He’s the most sold out member and is the second most popular after JK even though he gets the least screen time or publicity. Imagine if he got the most lol

“Taehyung could take all my money”

“His box smile was missed”

“I will never get over how beautiful this man is. He’s a whole course meal”

Makes me laugh!!! Literally so funny!!
Lmao, so true but I think Taehyung has that specialness. It just is. Some people just do I guess. Yeah jhope seems to get the least love shame. I used to love him. But he can be cringey AF yikes
 
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I dont follow BTS that deeply, I want to know why do people observe that he is lazy? I dont get it coz we dont see them all the time, can someone explain?

Yeah looking back on what I saw Jimin does seem to be so attention seeking shame.

I think peoples disappointed comes from believing these people were real but I realized nothing on screen is real, hell even reality tv isn't real LMAO

yoongi does come off as being judgemental and arrogant, but I cant deny he is an excellent rapper in my opinion, the rap line is good.

RM is too smug for my liking

JK does seem bland to me. He seems to be gaining that alpha confidence and seems to have ditched the cuteness

Jhope I do feel keeps it professional and sticks to his on screen persona
Tae literally puts no effort into anything. He doesn’t care for his job much and it shows. His voice like Jimin keeps getting worse and worse even though he had such a rich tone. Of course this is because of a lot of psychological problems he is suffering with. He is very, demotivated and never puts his everything into stuff. His voice had potential but he doesn’t care to improve it. His dancing is medicore/average but not the best at all. He can’t rap. His new personality isn’t what’s appealing anymore. I admit he’s an amazing actor. He suits that type of profession way more. This isn’t me bashing him at all. It’s just that I don’t understand why BTS are praised to be the best when they’re not. I’m sorry but it has to be said lol!!! It’s his face that gives him the popularity and I think he knows that.

Like I said before he still somehow had the X factor, where he just is so captivating. His dancing improves by his facial expressions and his stage presence
 
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Tae literally puts no effort into anything. He doesn’t care for his job much and it shows. His voice like Jimin keeps getting worse and worse even though he had such a rich tone. Of course this is because of a lot of psychological problems he is suffering with. He is very, demotivated and never puts his everything into stuff. His voice had potential but he doesn’t care to improve it. His dancing is medicore/average but not the best at all. He can’t rap. His new personality isn’t what’s appealing anymore. I admit he’s an amazing actor. He suits that type of profession way more. This isn’t me bashing him at all. It’s just that I don’t understand why BTS are praised to be the best when they’re not. I’m sorry but it has to be said lol!!! It’s his face that gives him the popularity and I think he knows that.

Like I said before he still somehow had the X factor, where he just is so captivating. His dancing improves by his facial expressions and his stage presence
In my opinion V never wanted to be an idol. I think he's not putting in effort because he's so tired of everything and everyone. I think he's doing this so bighit get tired of him and kick him out. Just speculation.

And another thing, I also think Jimin was very close with V but once he saw V started slacking off he didn't like that so he drifted away. i honestly think all the members are irritated that V is lazy and still gets attention.
 
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Thank you so much! This was very interesting. I'm a bit confused though how is this connected to bts? Do you mean that they're being treated by fans like youtube personalities do?
The way she described vlogers, as "relatability in the seemingly ordinary" reminded me a little bit of bts. Especially since that's exactly how they're descibed by fans - "relatable". And fans obsessing over them as people, not as artists.
I really like how she said "Like a chorus in a play, that experiences emotions for you. The emotional commentary is done for you. You live vicariously through them without having to do anything", as creepy as it actually is, it makes a lot of sense. It also reminds me of soundtracts in films and commercials. If you pay attention - the music is there to "tell" you what you need to feel in that moment: scared, sad, happy, etc. Laughtracks play a similar part.

Off topic, the 11 year old vloging even before vloging was a thing is just so sad. The way she's performing to the camera, as if it's a person, it just looks like she was craving someones attention. I can be totally wrong though, I obviously dont know her, that's just how I saw it. Also, I dont know why, but it kinda reminded me of comedians. I remember reading an interview where Robin Williams described himself as a child as "shy, chubby, lonely", and said that most of his childhood was just him playing alone in their huge house. And said that his mother, who was rarely home, really helped him develop his humor, because he tried to be funny as a way to get her attention.

"The birth of the viewer must be at the cost of the death of the youtube personality". Do you think fans are the same? Kinda like, since they see in bts what they want to see, there's this disconnect between what is actually said and what is heard?

yes! you just summed it up, especially in that last paragraph. I wish I could find our old replies (too far back) but the convo was about how the reason BTS fans are so obsessive over their idols is because they are projecting their own image onto the idols. The idols are whoever they want them to be, so it's a two way exchange. Fans are not pure in their love, like BTS finally understood, the love is "fake" and self serving. It's like the youtuber-fan dynamic but ramped up to a higher degree. Idols are not meant to be relatable per say (they still can), but they definitely feel more accessible or relatable than the average Western celebrity. Fans can develop an unhealthy dynamic if they have a pretty fragile mind.

I wanted to share the video initially moreso to explain parasocial relationships in more depth and how they work using an example that'd be easy for our generations to understand (youtubers). I didn't know enough about Zizeck and other psychoanalysists to explain to you as well as Connie does in the video. The intent of sharing was less so about the relatability aspect of the topic, as I initially assumed that was a uniquely YouTuber issue. However, as you said, the relatability aspect can somewhat apply to BTS because that's the branding and image they project to fans on top of the struggle narrative. I'm sorry if the video could be a bit confusing in isolation of everything else we discussed lol :) it's been a while since we talked about it and it probably would've made more sense/context if I could've shared it during the original convo
 
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Guys I was bored and I saw a question “which Kpop artists give you bad vibes” and I clicked and I saw so many relating to BTS and I was so intrigued. My findings were so interesting, so I will share them. It’s interesting to see what fans and people in general pick up from
Someone. I think God really shows to you how someone is and through seeing people, you can tell what type of people they are.


Jimin - Ok Jimin was the one who had the most negative feedback. A lot of people (even army) said that Jimin is very attention seeking, and he uses other members to gain attention on himself. So he comes off as manipulative and self-centred. They also said his persona as the caring one seems exaggerated and he seems very arrogant and different to what he is portrayed. Other people said they couldn’t say exactly why they disliked him but there was something about him that was off and weird/ evil. I was shocked to see how many people have such negative things to say about him

JK- a lot of people said JK was very arrogant. He thinks too much of himself and is kind of like a player. He isn’t genuine with fans and knows he can get with any of his fans so he uses that to fill his ego. They also said he boasts about how good he is at things and because of that, he doesn’t try as hard as he thinks he’s already good

Jhope - a lot of people said things about him. Many commented on his fake persona and there being no way someone could be so happy all the time. People mentioned that Jhope seems to have a completely different attitude behind the scenes as there are clips where he’s very stern and cold. They said that he’s coming off as fake and it’s scary to think that he could be a totally different person.

The rest weren’t talked about as much as the above 3, but people still made interesting comments.

RM - people said he seems to be very mocking to the other members in America and the way he acts is like he’s making fun of them because they can’t speak English. Also he seems to just read and say he’s intelligent but it’s just the surface and he just reads what’s given to him without looking deeper

Suga - arrogant, seems to judge other people. Surprisingly not much was said about him

V - Cold personality, but at least he doesn’t fake his persona like Jhope, he seems to always be in a mood and it’s annoying because it brings negative vibes. He seems to want things his way and throws tantrums if he doesn’t get it. He’s lazy and unmotivated

Jin- the least about him, I can’t even remember anyone saying anything bad about him tbh. Him and V were the most favoured

Anyways I found it interesting because some people here have similar thoughts. I was surprised that Jimin had the most responses though!
I agree about Jimin and Jk...Jimin is like a diva and it is a pity because i loved his dance,but his voice is not stable...
Jungkook is another arrogant,jealous of V talent ...Suga another arrogant but i appreciate him as rapper,J hope for me is fake...Rm another fake...V is not diligent in his work ...i think he is tired but he has X factor...and Jin ...he is my favourite after V..i loved his songs,i find his voice better than Jimin,he is funny ,he is good looking...he is talented...but Bang pd wants to put Jimin and Jk before others...
Jin sometimes seems someone coming from another time ...he has something different from others...fascinating but also creepy
 
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I agree about Jimin and Jk...Jimin is like a diva and it is a pity because i loved his dance,but his voice is not stable...
Jungkook is another arrogant,jealous of V talent ...Suga another arrogant but i appreciate him as rapper,J hope for me is fake...Rm another fake...V is not diligent in his work ...i think he is tired but he has X factor...and Jin ...he is my favourite after V..i loved his songs,i find his voice better than Jimin,he is funny ,he is good looking...he is talented...but Bang pd wants to put Jimin and Jk before others...
Jin sometimes seems someone coming from another time ...he has something different from others...fascinating but also creepy
Oh my god. THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.
I literally don't understand why bighit is pushing jungkook and jimin. They are basically just: jikook ship, periot.
I would understand if theyd push literally any other member but them...no.
 
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