Women Vs Male Birth control

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Hi Guys I came across this post that was posted by someone I know.Its states that contraception is used by the wrong gender and also some feel women are being subjected to oppression one way or the other.

I wanted to know your thoughts on this statement.Please take a look and apologies if this is posted in the wrong group.
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Lurker pretty much said it.

Men don't get pregnant. It's women that have the majority of reproductive rights within the West and therefore they're going to have to also, bear the burden of things like birth control.
 

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Hi Guys I came across this post that was posted by someone I know.Its states that contraception is used by the wrong gender and also some feel women are being subjected to oppression one way or the other.

I wanted to know your thoughts on this statement.Please take a look and apologies if this is posted in the wrong group.
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I have a lot of thoughts about this topic but it's not going to be palatable to a crowd like vc bc any feminist-related issue is seen as an attack on men (masculinity is too fragile). The responses on this thread are quite sad really.
 
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this is what makes me laugh, the majority are putting the buck on women when it comes to birth control. however how do these people feel if the bith control fails? are you ok with paying for the child.
Also male birth control like condoms do not effect mens health, the pill, IUD and patch pump women full of chemicals, some of which have terrible side effects.
Another point men speak of being trapped by pregnancies, so instead of expecting women to take all the responsibility why not do it yourself then your less likely to be trapped by a pregnancy? you cant cry about being trapped into paying child support, her having abortions you dont want, or trapped in relationships, if you take responsibility for your own body fluids

to me the comments on here are a bunch of men not wanting to take any responsibility.
 

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I know it's embarassing. Most of them are probably married with kids but are displaying the mentality of high-schoolers. It takes two to make a child but the onus is solely on women, go figure.
That's because women hold all the reproductive rights. Men have none. Men are forced into whatever decision the woman decides to make. This isn't rocket science.
 

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this is what makes me laugh, the majority are putting the buck on women when it comes to birth control. however how do these people feel if the bith control fails? are you ok with paying for the child.
Also male birth control like condoms do not effect mens health, the pill, IUD and patch pump women full of chemicals, some of which have terrible side effects.
Another point men speak of being trapped by pregnancies, so instead of expecting women to take all the responsibility why not do it yourself then your less likely to be trapped by a pregnancy? you cant cry about being trapped into paying child support, her having abortions you dont want, or trapped in relationships, if you take responsibility for your own body fluids

to me the comments on here are a bunch of men not wanting to take any responsibility.
It doesn't matter what the man wants. Women hold all the reproductive rights. Whatever the woman decides to do the man has to comply. With all those rights come responsibilities. Now if you don't want some of those responsibilities you're going to have to give up some of your reproductive rights and let the man have a say in it as well. If not than too bad. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 

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Yeah.
Everyone knows sex can lead to pregnancy-- this is not a mystery. You kind of have a responsibility to yourself, to prevent that from happening, if you aren't ready for it-- man or woman. Blaming someone else, when you have the power to control the situation yourself, is irresponsible and childish. Js
 
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That's because women hold all the reproductive rights. Men have none. Men are forced into whatever decision the woman decides to make. This isn't rocket science.
the difference is women are the ones who cannot walk away, women are the ones who must face a multitude of injuries, illnesses and possible death, discomfort, lose of earnings, and permanent damage, a man might want to keep the pregnancy but he is not the one who goes through the process. and the current law structure exists because just over 100 years ago women were not even people, by law they were not people, they were mens property, the law was changed to include women, giving women rights. but the main point is women get the final say because their bodies are the ones who create, feed and expel the fetus.

also as i said why would men not want to be in control of their own contraceptives, if what you say is true, wear a condom, fund a male pill, you act like a victim so take back control, dont want to be a father and pay for a child then use contraceptives, spermacides, condoms and make sure she uses hers.
saying ''well women have all the reproductive control'' just sounds like victimhood and an excuse not to be mature and responsible.

Also a condom is easy to put on and use, it causes no side effects, damage or mental changes, womens contraceptives do, so why dont men grow up, stop playing the victim and wrap it before they tap it
 

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the difference is women are the ones who cannot walk away, women are the ones who must face a multitude of injuries, illnesses and possible death, discomfort, lose of earnings, and permanent damage, a man might want to keep the pregnancy but he is not the one who goes through the process. and the current law structure exists because just over 100 years ago women were not even people, by law they were not people, they were mens property, the law was changed to include women, giving women rights. but the main point is women get the final say because their bodies are the ones who create, feed and expel the fetus.

also as i said why would men not want to be in control of their own contraceptives, if what you say is true, wear a condom, fund a male pill, you act like a victim so take back control, dont want to be a father and pay for a child then use contraceptives, spermacides, condoms and make sure she uses hers.
saying ''well women have all the reproductive control'' just sounds like victimhood and an excuse not to be mature and responsible.

Also a condom is easy to put on and use, it causes no side effects, damage or mental changes, womens contraceptives do, so why dont men grow up, stop playing the victim and wrap it before they tap it
First we can't fight biology so arguing about the process and discomfort is an emotional plea and a fallacy.

Second, again, women have all the reproductive rights. You can literally and legally force the man into any decision you, as the woman, decide through court order. Now if you're not happy than perhaps it's time you women start a movement and have some of those reproductive decisions passed on and or shared with the man of the child and the responsibilities that come with the whole process. However, if you want to keep all your reproductive rights but also, want the man to be on the hook for the responsibilities that come with those rights than you're out of luck. No man with a single brain cell would ever accept that and they shouldn't.

Now tell us are you willing to let the man of the potential child have a say in the whole process or are you going to go the way of "my body my decision"?
 

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i love men who pass the buck and responsibility. for once in your lives take responsibility, it just comes across as childish and excuses
That's easy to say when you have all the reproductive rights and family court being tipped in the woman's favour. Share the decisions and than so will the responsibilities.
 

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the difference is women are the ones who cannot walk away, women are the ones who must face a multitude of injuries, illnesses and possible death, discomfort, lose of earnings, and permanent damage, a man might want to keep the pregnancy but he is not the one who goes through the process. and the current law structure exists because just over 100 years ago women were not even people, by law they were not people, they were mens property, the law was changed to include women, giving women rights. but the main point is women get the final say because their bodies are the ones who create, feed and expel the fetus.

also as i said why would men not want to be in control of their own contraceptives, if what you say is true, wear a condom, fund a male pill, you act like a victim so take back control, dont want to be a father and pay for a child then use contraceptives, spermacides, condoms and make sure she uses hers.
saying ''well women have all the reproductive control'' just sounds like victimhood and an excuse not to be mature and responsible.

Also a condom is easy to put on and use, it causes no side effects, damage or mental changes, womens contraceptives do, so why dont men grow up, stop playing the victim and wrap it before they tap it

Don't listen to Kung Fu. He has been a misogynist for years. He's a quasi-Muslim body-builder with Oedipal issues who talks socialist shit about the Western society in which he lives and enjoys all the first-world freedoms, comforts and benefits. I keep waiting for him to throw off his "chains of oppression" and move to a mujahadeen training camp with no air conditioning and you have to boil the water before you drink it. Yet, here he is, tantruming his way into another conversation in which he has nothing intelligent or positive to contribute.

Kerri, what you are saying absolutely makes sense: It's a two way street and in the 21st Century, both male and female humans have a responsibility to control their own child-bearing. Because science.

Come to think of it, there is no reason that some scientist or pharmaceutical company couldn't make a pill to reduce a man's fertility. It would probably sell like hotcakes, to the men who DO take seriously their responsibility, to themselves and the world, to not spew an endless stream of gametes into society at large. Lord knows, they should have come up with something better than condoms by now. Those are from the Middle Ages, ffs. A pill is far less drastic than a vasectomy, which, let's face it, few men are going to go there.

Incidentally, saying something like "women have all the reproductive control" makes it sound like we have a secret magic dial on our bodies, and we decide to crank it from "not pregnant" to "pregnant" whenever we feel like it. To that, I respond with a rousing and emphatic "F. U." If we had "total reproductive control," we wouldn't need to worry about the failure rates of various contraception methods, the necessary evil of clinical abortion (and whether it will or won't stay legal), deadbeat/abusive/murderous baby-daddies, dreams deferred or killed by unwanted and/or early pregnancies, and pregnancies caused by r*pe/date-r*pe/molestation.

Women would not have been throwing themselves down flights of stairs, drinking poison and submitting themselves to horrific "amateur surgeries" for literally thousands of years. We certainly would not have had to put up with being shunned, vilified or even killed by irate and uncompassionate fathers, religions, societies for the "dishonor" of pregnancy. The impoverished in our country, and around the world, would not be composed in the main of single mothers and children forced to bear the socio-economic impact of what amounts to a losing hand in the poker-game of life, just for the "sin" of existing.

You may as well castigate someone for getting a toothache or a sunburn. Sure, there are factors one can control in preventing it from happening, but circumstances won't be optimal all the time, and it's going to happen, sometimes despite someone's best efforts or intentions. If an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of a cure, then why would any reasonable man refuse to add a second ounce to the equation?
 

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Don't listen to Kung Fu. He has been a misogynist for years. He's a quasi-Muslim body-builder with Oedipal issues who talks socialist shit about the Western society in which he lives and enjoys all the first-world freedoms, comforts and benefits. I keep waiting for him to throw off his "chains of oppression" and move to a mujahadeen training camp with no air conditioning and you have to boil the water before you drink it. Yet, here he is, tantruming his way into another conversation in which he has nothing intelligent or positive to contribute.

Kerri, what you are saying absolutely makes sense: It's a two way street and in the 21st Century, both male and female humans have a responsibility to control their own child-bearing. Because science.

Come to think of it, there is no reason that some scientist or pharmaceutical company couldn't make a pill to reduce a man's fertility. It would probably sell like hotcakes, to the men who DO take seriously their responsibility, to themselves and the world, to not spew an endless stream of gametes into society at large. Lord knows, they should have come up with something better than condoms by now. Those are from the Middle Ages, ffs. A pill is far less drastic than a vasectomy, which, let's face it, few men are going to go there.

Incidentally, saying something like "women have all the reproductive control" makes it sound like we have a secret magic dial on our bodies, and we decide to crank it from "not pregnant" to "pregnant" whenever we feel like it. To that, I respond with a rousing and emphatic "F. U." If we had "total reproductive control," we wouldn't need to worry about the failure rates of various contraception methods, the necessary evil of clinical abortion (and whether it will or won't stay legal), deadbeat/abusive/murderous baby-daddies, dreams deferred or killed by unwanted and/or early pregnancies, and pregnancies caused by r*pe/date-r*pe/molestation.

Women would not have been throwing themselves down flights of stairs, drinking poison and submitting themselves to horrific "amateur surgeries" for literally thousands of years. We certainly would not have had to put up with being shunned, vilified or even killed by irate and uncompassionate fathers, religions, societies for the "dishonor" of pregnancy. The impoverished in our country, and around the world, would not be composed in the main of single mothers and children forced to bear the socio-economic impact of what amounts to a losing hand in the poker-game of life, just for the "sin" of existing.

You may as well castigate someone for getting a toothache or a sunburn. Sure, there are factors one can control in preventing it from happening, but circumstances won't be optimal all the time, and it's going to happen, sometimes despite someone's best efforts or intentions. If an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of a cure, then why would any reasonable man refuse to add a second ounce to the equation?


Haven't laughed this hard in a while :)

If you want men to take birth control go start a movement asking your courts that you want to relinquish some of your reproductive rights. You can't have everything in life, cupcake. We're not living in the 1800s anymore :)

So far in this thread all I hear are people wanting it all. They want to make all the decisions and force others to bend to those decisions but also, want the responsibilities of those decisions placed on people who can't even make those decisions to begin with.
 
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Haven't laughed this hard in a while :)

If you want men to take birth control go start a movement asking your courts that you want to relinquish some of your reproductive rights. You can't have everything in life, cupcake. We're not living in the 1800s anymore :)

So far in this thread all I hear are people wanting it all. They want to make all the decisions and force others to bend to those decisions but also, want the responsibilities of those decisions placed on people who can't even make those decisions to begin with.
how would men taking responsibility for their own fertility require women to relinquish their own reproductive rights? giving men more options with birth control would give men more choices, responsibility and yes control over how many children tehy have.

you clearly have some issues with women, women having the right to not get pregnant is not having it all, its having a choice they never used to have and by having that choice it actually helps society, less unwanted children, infanticide, pregnancy related deaths, this poverty and by giving men the same options then it also helps society, less childless fathers, abused children, men being forced into father hood, more money, less poverty.

but its pretty clear what your problem is, women being free and not under the thumb of men, while at the same time you cant -play the victim, if men are given responsibility for their own fertility and sexual reproduction
 
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