What does the Koran actually say about prayer?

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Don't forget some christians even attack other christians..:)

PS -my parents and schoolteachers weren't particularly religious and I began taking an interest in Jesus in my early teens on my own initiative and he grew on me from there because of his strong anti-establishment teachings.
Naturally I've looked at other religions but they leave me cold for the simple reason their founders are all corpses in boxes somewhere, but Jesus is not, spot the difference?..;)

Actually Buddha is said to currently reside in a "Pure Land" and be able to create "emanation bodies" throughout the universe. Though his original physical body might have ceased to function, He retains omniscient awareness. So though there was no resurrection on earth following His death, one could say that in a sense He is not dead...
 

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I am tired of anti-Islam threads. You just keep proving Islam to be the only truth, like i pointed out above, and I'll continue ignoring the copy / paste jobs you have filled this thread with.

We'll both find Truth on judgement day, and I'm perfectly happy with that. I don't need to demean others to raise myself.

Peace.
This isn't an "anti-Islam" thread any more than pointing out to "Christians" that their 3=1 nonsense is NOT Scriptural; it is a thread devoted to the TRUTH that is found in the Koran (Quran), and the Bible it CONFIRMS, which everyone who reads the Koran and has a genuine love for the truth should appreciate, and NEEDS to survive. Only the truth will set you free.

You apparently fail to see that it is YOU who are very hypocritically demeaning others, just as you have done again, by falsely accusing me of "copy and paste jobs" so you can ignore the truth that's been shared, which has been explained in great detail, and backed up with hundreds of verses Scripture.

If you wish to pretend that pointing out the TRUTH that the organized religion known as "Islam" is NOT based upon the Koran and its adherents/victims are therefore NOT doing God's Will, then you are only deluding yourself and trying to con others. If you have anything specific that you feel has been personally shared in error, then please feel free to point it out.

Otherwise, please stop doing Satan's bidding, so that you do not find out on Judgment Day you have been in error all along, when it will be too late to do anything about it.

Peace be upon you.
 
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Actually Buddha is said to currently reside in a "Pure Land" and be able to create "emanation bodies" throughout the universe. Though his original physical body might have ceased to function, He retains omniscient awareness. So though there was no resurrection on earth following His death, one could say that in a sense He is not dead...

Maybe Buddha could sense the "God and Jesus spirit" sweeping through the universe and locked onto him, so perhaps he's made it to heaven, we don't know.
Buddha was a great truthseeker but the bottom line is he was just a human giving us his own best guesses and hunches, whereas Jesus was giving us the words of God himself, there's the difference..:)-
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)
 

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31:2. These are Verses of the Wise Book,-
31:3. A Guide and a Mercy to the Doers of Good,-
31:4. Those who establish constant Prayer (1 Thess. 5:17), and give regular Charity, and have (in their hearts) the assurance of the Hereafter.
31:5. These are on (true) Guidance from their Lord; and these are the ones who will prosper.

31:17. O my son! Establish constant prayer, enjoin what is just, and forbid what is wrong: and bear with patient constancy whatever happens to thee; for this is firmness (of purpose) in (the conduct of) affairs.

31:31. Seest thou not that the ships sail through the Ocean by the Grace of "I AM"- that He may show you of His Signs? Verily in this are Signs for all who constantly persevere and give thanks.


This is the same as in the Bible, which also says to pray without ceasing. -

1 Thessalonians
5:16 Rejoice evermore.
5:17 PRAY WITHOUT CEASING.
5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the Will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.


Through following this Guidance in Scripture, which says the goal should be to establish constant prayer (thereby, learning to achieve and live in a state of constant God-consciousness and therefore, able to receive constant Guidance), a person will be covered from all angles, and for any amount of prescribed prayers per day, be it three, five, or any other number of times, which only serve as training and/or to get back into a state of Direct-contact, until it becomes a lifelong, constant state of awareness (and therefore, constant Guidance and Protection, along The Way).

It says to listen to the Word, and to follow the best (meaning) in it. -

39:17. Those who shun Evil,- and fall not into its worship,- and turn to "I AM" (in repentance),- for them is Good News: so announce the Good News to My Servants,-
39:18. Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best (meaning) in it: those are the ones whom "I AM" has guided, and those are the ones given Understanding.

39:35. So that "I AM" will turn off from them (even) the worst in their deeds and give them their reward according to the best of what they have done.

39:55. And follow the Best of (the courses) revealed to you from your Lord, before The Penalty comes on you - of a sudden while ye perceive not!-

Constant, is surely the best out of all other options.
 
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31:2. These are Verses of the Wise Book,-
31:3. A Guide and a Mercy to the Doers of Good,-
31:4. Those who establish constant Prayer (1 Thess. 5:17), and give regular Charity, and have (in their hearts) the assurance of the Hereafter.
31:5. These are on (true) Guidance from their Lord; and these are the ones who will prosper.

31:17. O my son! Establish constant prayer, enjoin what is just, and forbid what is wrong: and bear with patient constancy whatever happens to thee; for this is firmness (of purpose) in (the conduct of) affairs.

31:31. Seest thou not that the ships sail through the Ocean by the Grace of "I AM"- that He may show you of His Signs? Verily in this are Signs for all who constantly persevere and give thanks.


This is the same as in the Bible, which also says to pray without ceasing. -

1 Thessalonians
5:16 Rejoice evermore.
5:17 PRAY WITHOUT CEASING.
5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the Will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.


Through following this Guidance in Scripture, which says the goal should be to establish constant prayer (thereby, learning to achieve and live in a state of constant God-consciousness and therefore, able to receive constant Guidance), a person will be covered from all angles, and for any amount of prescribed prayers per day, be it three, five, or any other number of times, which only serve as training and/or to get back into a state of Direct-contact, until it becomes a lifelong, constant state of awareness (and therefore, constant Guidance and Protection, along The Way).

It says to listen to the Word, and to follow the best (meaning) in it. -

39:17. Those who shun Evil,- and fall not into its worship,- and turn to "I AM" (in repentance),- for them is Good News: so announce the Good News to My Servants,-
39:18. Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best (meaning) in it: those are the ones whom "I AM" has guided, and those are the ones given Understanding.

39:35. So that "I AM" will turn off from them (even) the worst in their deeds and give them their reward according to the best of what they have done.

39:55. And follow the Best of (the courses) revealed to you from your Lord, before The Penalty comes on you - of a sudden while ye perceive not!-

Constant, is surely the best out of all other options.
The problem with the idea of perpetual prayer is that it can easily become a kind of neurotic process of trying to drive away "evil" thoughts and replace them with "good" ones. Meditation is about not getting caught up in any kind of internal dialogue or neurosis, yes it is possible to meditate on some certain subjects (like the Four Common Ngondro) but also it is necessary to learn stillness and non-identification with thoughts. Labelling them "good" and "bad" is just another layer of complexity and actually gets us more caught up in the whole internal melodrama of the mind (which is separation from presence and awareness, "clear light").

Of course if you have a serious meditation practice, the awareness naturally carries over into the rest of one's life.
 

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The problem with the idea of perpetual prayer is that it can easily become a kind of neurotic process of trying to drive away "evil" thoughts and replace them with "good" ones. Meditation is about not getting caught up in any kind of internal dialogue or neurosis, yes it is possible to meditate on some certain subjects (like the Four Common Ngondro) but also it is necessary to learn stillness and non-identification with thoughts. Labelling them "good" and "bad" is just another layer of complexity and actually gets us more caught up in the whole internal melodrama of the mind (which is separation from presence and awareness, "clear light").

Of course if you have a serious meditation practice, the awareness naturally carries over into the rest of one's life.
Quieting the mind, in order to then be able to hear the still small voice, like Elijah: -

1 kings
19:9 And he came there unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the Word of the "I AM" [came] to him, and He said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?
19:10 And he said, I have been very jealous for the "I AM" God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken Thy Covenant, thrown down Thine altars, and slain Thy Prophets with the sword; and I, [even] I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
19:11 And He said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the "I AM". And, behold, the "I AM" passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the "I AM"; [but] the "I AM" [was] not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; [but] the "I AM" [was] not in the earthquake:
19:12 And after the earthquake a fire; [but] the "I AM" [was] not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
19:13 And it was [so], when Elijah heard [it], that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave.
 
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People need to learn what is going on in their own minds and what thinking really is.

There are two sources for every single thought that enters one's mind: Good/Truth (from God) and Evil/Lies (from the devil/Satan). No one has EVER had an "original" thought; the only thing that convinces someone to believe otherwise is their ego (the "self"). What most believe is "thinking" is actually listening to God (prayer), which is where all of the good ideas come from ("out of the blue").

Each of us here on Earth are human+Beings.

The real you is a spirit-Being Who is connected to our Creator (our heavenly Father, THE God, Whose Name is "I AM"). The Being part of the human+Being. At the center of every Being -- the "eye of the storm" where it is calm, peaceful and still -- is where one can find that all important connection to our Creator (Father) and hear His Small, Still Voice of Reason, exactly as He has told us (Ps. 46:10).

The human that you are temporarily incarnating is connected to this world and its temporary ruler: Lucifer/Satan/Iblis. The human has its own selfish agenda (whatever makes it feel good), its own built-in self-preservation/self-survival programming and always protects its own self-interest. It is completely self-centered, and sees every other human on this planet as its enemy; i.e. a threat not only to its continued existence, but also to its rule over the mind to which it sits as a sentinel (gate-keeper).

There are literally thousands upon thousands of random thoughts and human emotions that enter one's mind every day. If allowed, the mind will swim in that constant e-motional state, being taken with it wherever it goes. If it doesn't like what someone else says to it, it gets angry and resentful. If it doesn't get its selfish way, it feels frustration (a mild form of anger). If it sees someone or something as a threat to it, it becomes afraid. And when its ignorance and lies are exposed, it desperately tries to hide that from itself with its own arrogance.

IF one understands that they are NOT the human they live inside of anymore than they are those random thoughts they can see (in their mind's eye) crossing through the mind, then it is possible to learn to CONTROL that emotional storm that otherwise rages inside of the mind instead of being at the mercy of the storm.

As with most things, practice makes perfect, so the more one practices remaining calm and unruffled in their every day life (level-headed), the better one is prepared to do that when it really matters; in the face of REAL danger. And what is it exactly that helps one remain calm and unruffled in ANY situation? KNOWING that everything is in Father's Hands, and that NOTHING can touch the real you, which is protected and safe with Father at ALL times. If something befalls the body, then it was meant to be, and only allowed because it is exactly what you (the spirit-Being) needs to progress (Matt. 10:28, 1 Pet. 4:12-13).

As an exercise, find a comfortable place to practice clearing your mind. A comfortable chair, or laying prone on a bed or couch, etc. Clear your mind of every thought and strive to maintain that clarity for as long as possible, watching to see when the first thought jumps into your mind.

For most, that will happen almost instantaneously. Something you believe you need to do, some song playing, some past memory, some worry about the future, etc. The question that should really be asked at that point is this: if it's your mind, and you told it to be still, why doesn't it do what you told it to do?

The more you practice this, the longer you will be able to maintain the peace inside your own mind, and learn to differentiate between the small, still voice of reason (Father - what most people believe to be their "conscience") and the seductive, incessant background noise of the "self" (Satan), with its "self"-justification and rationalization. Eventually, it becomes possible to almost immediately recognize the emotional noise and "take out the trash" quickly, to leave the mind open at all times, for Father to provide you with instructions, so you can be doing His Will in every moment of every day.

Eventually, it becomes possible to conduct this exercise anywhere, in any situation, at any time. It simply requires discipline.

THAT is what is meant by CONSTANT prayer, which is why both the Bible and Koran (Quran) instruct us to establish it. Every moment we are not listening to Father with a clear mind ready to be filled by His Guidance and Goodness, we are automatically listening to Satan, pretending to be our "self".

True Prayer
When we pray in the correct way, we are not asking God to do something, God is inspiring us to act in His place to enact His Will on Earth. We are intended to be the emissaries of the Divine on this planet.
True prayer is the method, the visualization, that God expects us to use in discerning His Will and implementing it in the physical dimension twenty-four hours every day. His Kingdom come, His Will be done, on Earth, as it is in Heaven. Amen.
 

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Quieting the mind, in order to then be able to hear the still small voice, like Elijah: -

1 kings
19:9 And he came there unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the Word of the "I AM" [came] to him, and He said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?
19:10 And he said, I have been very jealous for the "I AM" God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken Thy Covenant, thrown down Thine altars, and slain Thy Prophets with the sword; and I, [even] I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
19:11 And He said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the "I AM". And, behold, the "I AM" passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the "I AM"; [but] the "I AM" [was] not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; [but] the "I AM" [was] not in the earthquake:
19:12 And after the earthquake a fire; [but] the "I AM" [was] not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
19:13 And it was [so], when Elijah heard [it], that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave.
Ok, I think I have heard this "still small voice" on occasion. One of the things it told me is that nobody is ever definitely doomed and lost, that ultimately even the most fallen beings will have the opportunity to develop spiritual realization once they have faced the karma of whatever they have created. I struggle to understand how you can have a solid meditation practice and still be caught up in some of the ideas being promoted by your guru.

Eventually, it becomes possible to conduct this exercise anywhere, in any situation, at any time. It simply requires discipline.

THAT is what is meant by CONSTANT prayer, which is why both the Bible and Koran (Quran) instruct us to establish it. Every moment we are not listening to Father with a clear mind ready to be filled by His Guidance and Goodness, we are automatically listening to Satan, pretending to be our "self".

True Prayer
One point I would make to you is that if you have the idea that what you are thinking is clarity and wisdom due to the supposed meditative state you have arrived at, you could actually be caught up in just a more subtle and rarefied kind of egotism. So far as I understand, thoughts, whether virtuous or negative, are forms of neurotic attachment to the idea of "I". Of course, not thinking could become another kind of attachment, people sometimes think they know how to quiet their mind when in fact they haven't arrived at the state of "serene reflection". But in any case if you are caught up in dualistically labeling your thoughts "good" and "evil" then you are practicing repression and not meditation (I'm not saying that ethics isn't important, but that disciplining the mind doesn't mean trying to force out "evil" thoughts, not letting them arise).

In fact it is said that the difference between a high Bodhisattva and a Buddha is that a Buddha maintains their meditative awareness even outside of a meditation session. I would suggest that it is very unlikely that you have attained even the state of an Arya Bodhisattva, never mind of a Buddha. Because to be quite honest with you, if you had then you wouldn't be so attached to certain of your doctrines, nor so adamant that everybody else must also believe them.
 

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Despite some similarities between the Koran and the Bible, the bottom line is that the Koran says Jesus was NOT the son of God, so who are we to believe, Mohammed or Jesus?
"O followers of the Bible, do not speak lies against Allah, but speak the truth; Jesus son of Mary is only an apostle of Allah, and not his son" (Koran 4.171)

High Priest asks - "Are you the Son of God?" Jesus replies - "I am" (Bible: Mark 14:61)

 
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Despite some similarities between the Koran and the Bible, the bottom line is that the Koran says Jesus was NOT the son of God, so who are we to believe, Mohammed or Jesus?
"O followers of the Bible, do not speak lies against Allah, but speak the truth; Jesus son of Mary is only an apostle of Allah, and not his son" (Koran 4.171)

High Priest asks - "Are you the Son of God?" Jesus replies - "I am" (Bible: Mark 14:61)



Why do christians like yourself insist on making a point that only reveals YOUR OWN IGNORANCE?

1) The SON was just a metaphorical/symbolic term attached to the LOGOS within an established judaic framework, outside of which it loses it's meaning.
The hellenised jewish philosopher Philo connecte the greek concept, Logos to the 'Image of God' in the bible. Basically it's like reading something NEW AGE in material and saying "oh that's the same as what we believe in"
and then saying "let's just call it the Ben Elohim" to illustrate how important the Logos/Image is.


the LOGOS is called the Kalam in arabic, it's a greek concept that borrowed elements from hinduism, zoroastrianism and egyptian mythology. It's important to point that out. Since it was a foreign/new age style concept in the 1st century AD, it was contexualised for a jewish audience by the term 'Son of God'
the term 'Son of God' in a new gentile/greek/roman loses it's meaning. that's why you have not once focused on 'the image/logos' but only on 'son baby jezuz derp'.

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the Quran and the prophet repeatedly called Jesus "The Word/Kalam of Allah". So the underlying idea is still there.
However the TERM 'Son of God' is rejected..and why shouldnt it be?
the vast majority of christians have taken this term out of context, taken it literally and not even remotely come close to understand the original concept, the logos.

key word
mythos
scriptures can differ in mythos..and that's okay because there's wisdom in that. what's the intention? maybe Jesus deliberately pushed the term 'Son' just to test whether you're legit enough to study it's original connection to the Logos...
or did you just take it literally at face value?

you're more interested in the term 'Son' than you are the cosmological idea behind the logos.
 

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I can't believe these cuckistians. YES BRO MEDIA MAKES YOUR DAUGHTER A WHORE AND TURNS YOUR SON A GAY but yess problem is ISLAM!!!
The devil only has one enemy. When hes working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Year in and year out. We see the fruits of his labor.

Truth is, if every man, woman and child within the creation wanted to harm you, they couldn't produce a scratch until God willed it.
If God wills harm for you, every man woman and child on the planet could not protect you.

Seek help with the Creator. The one who has a relationship with the Creator needs nothing. With this in mind, threads like this one equate the barking of dogs and Imam Shafi said it best.

"If does not benefit the Lion to answer the barking of dogs".
 

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Why do christians like yourself insist on making a point that only reveals YOUR OWN IGNORANCE?
..The SON was just a metaphorical/symbolic term..
..you're more interested in the term 'Son' than you are the cosmological idea behind the logos.

Whoa mate, GOD HIMSELF called Jesus his son, so you'd better argue it out with him if you meet him..:p
God said "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)

The Jews and all other Jesus-rejecters are going to get their asses busted, so be careful or you'll be going down the lane with them..:)
"How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot...it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:29-31)

 
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Whoa mate, GOD HIMSELF called Jesus his son, so you'd better argue it out with him if you meet him..:p
God said "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)

The Jews and all other Jesus-rejecters are going to get their asses busted, so be careful or you'll be going down the lane with them..:)
"How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot...it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:29-31)


that's dogma and mythos within a hellenised judaic framework. you don't get that point do you?
you really think THE GOD said this? that's not THE God, that's the experience of God within that framework. it's more like a thought pattern than THE reality.

for example the zoroastrian persians had their own dualistic framework out of which the Creator, Ahura Mazda, was talking in adifferent language, but instead bigging up persia as the be all and end all of nations. that is not an absolutely real God, only the reflection

what that is, is their experience of their idea of what God is. since they held a dualistic philosophy, then the same Creator came to them talking about good vs evil, east vs west and so forth.


The fact you're satanically ignoring is that the 'son' is just a judaic/symbolic term referring to the LOGOS...
and islam openly says Jesus is the Kalam of Allah (the kalam is the arabic word for the logos).
 

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..that's dogma and mythos within a hellenised judaic framework. you don't get that point do you?..

Like I said, you'd better argue it out with God and Jesus if you meet them.. :p

"Jesus asked his disciples- 'Who do you say I am?'
Simon Peter answered, 'You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.'
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven." (Matt 13:16/17)
 
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Like I said, you'd better argue it out with God and Jesus if you meet them.. :p

"Jesus asked his disciples- 'Who do you say I am?'
Simon Peter answered, 'You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.'
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven." (Matt 13:16/17)
you've just taken the term at face value without any knowledge of wider contexts.

i'm happy to say, i reject the TERM 'son of God' but understand it's use in a past context...a context that was derped the fk out of by you paganised romans.

































so basically you're purposely feigning ignorance to stick to holding onto dogma rather than actually tackle the truth of the topic

the Son is just metaphorical/symbolic language.
the LOGOS is the primary concept here..and islam believes in that. So all islam rejects is the metaphor outside of it's original hellenised.judaic context

meanwhile you romanised christiansworship a man-god because you dont have a clue.
 

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..the LOGOS is the primary concept here..and islam believes in that. So all islam rejects is the metaphor outside of it's original hellenised.judaic context
meanwhile you romanised christiansworship a man-god because you dont have a clue..

You Muslims AND the Jews say Jesus wasn't the Son of God, so at least muslims and jews have something in common after all..:)
Me, I'll keep riding with Jesus on the winning Christian team.. :p

"Who is it that beats the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God" (1 John 5:5)
Jesus said - "I've beaten the world" (John 16:33)

 

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You Muslims AND the Jews say Jesus wasn't the Son of God, so at least muslims and jews have something in common after all..:)
Me, I'll keep riding with Jesus on the winning Christian team.. :p

"Who is it that beats the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God" (1 John 5:5)
Jesus said - "I've beaten the world" (John 16:33)

Many Prophets are referred to as the son of God throughout the Bible. In Psalms David is called the son of God and according to the Bible he said he was Gods begotten son. We don't believe that David said this as we don't believe other things the Bible says about David. However this shows the double standards of Christians who will twist the meanings of the Bible so they are in accordance with the Nicene creed. How come when 'son' is used in reference to Jesus it has a capital 'S' when the orignal Hebrew/Aramaic manuscrips had no capital letters??! Hebrew and aramaic do not have capital letters.
 
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The most important words in all of Scripture (both the Bible and the Koran, the latter of which CONFIRMS the forner) are found in John 3:3-7.

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


As long as someone sees this world through HUMAN eyes, they will continue to be misled by the temporary ruler of this world: Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil/red dragon). Every one of us is a spirit-Being (aspiring soul), made in the image (likeness) of God, Who is likewise a Spirit-Being (John 4:24). We are only temporarily incarnating one of these human-animal bodies, and MUST learn that we are NOT the body we are living inside of temporarily.

A human + Being = a human+Being.

Prince Michael is the IMMORTAL Firstborn SON OF GOD, i.e. He is the beginning of the creation of God (His Anointed One - The Messiah/Christ), made in His Image; the first of MANY brethren that God (Allah, the "I AM") created.

Jesus, was the MORTAL firstborn son of the virgin body of Mary, hence the designation "Son of Man".

Together, They formed the human+Being we know as Jesus+Christ.

With regard to Prince Michael/Christ being the CREATED firstborn Son of God:-


Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, THE BEGINNING of the creation OF God;

Colossians 1:12-18
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of every creature:

Romans 8:28-29
8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [His] purpose.
8:29 For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the FIRSTBORN among MANY brethren.

According to The Law that God gave us, the inheritance of the firstborn is a double-portion of all the Father has (Deut. 21:17).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath APPOINTED heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

And with regard to the firstborn son of the king, the firstborn son of the king is referred to as THE PRINCE. And the firstborn Son of God - Who is The King Ruler of the Universe -- is PRINCE Michael, THE ANOINTED ONE (Messiah/Christ - see Dan. 8:25, 9:25-27, 10:21, 12:1-4), Who COMMANDS both the nations AND the heavenly host (ALL of the Sons of God/Angels).

Revelation 12:7-9
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the Earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

All of the angels are referred to as the "Sons of God" because God created them, including Prince Michael and Gabriel, the latter of whom Prince Michael SENT to give Their Message (God's Message) to Muhammad.

Sura 2:98. Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels and Apostles, to Gabriel and Michael (Daniel 12:1; Rev. 12:7),- Lo! God is an enemy to those who reject Faith."

"Muslims" are as bad as "Christians' at reading the Scripture, and then throwing terms around that they clearly do NOT understand.

God could NEVER have a human son, because God does not procreate with humans. God also does NOT have "partners", which means there is NO QUEEN OF HEAVEN (Jer. 44:17-25, Sura 4:116-117), there is no "trinity" (Deut. 6:4, Mark 12:29, Sura 4:171), nor are there any organized religions or their fabricated textbooks required to understand God's Word (Deut. 4:2, Acts 5:29, Sura 42:6-10).

Jesus is NOT the Son of God; Prince Michael/Christ is. A "Son of God" (angel) is the CREATED offspring of God, whereas the "Son of Man" refers to the procreated offspring of man, born of a woman.

The exception to this rule is the virgin birth of Jesus, CONFIRMED by the Koran (Sura 3:42-48), to make Him stand apart from all of the other Prophets, Messengers and Apostles, so that people would take notice and hear Him.

And Muhammad (peace be upon him) was NOT a Prophet; nor does it say anywhere in the Koran that he was. A Prophet is someone who PROPHESIES, and Muhammad did not prophecy anything in the Koran, which was sent to Muhammad to CONFIRM the Bible (not to refute it, as most so-called Muslims -- unbelievers really -- try to do).

Sura 3:144. Muhammad is no more than an Apostle: many were the Apostles that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to God; but God (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

Sura 33:40. Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of "I AM", and the Seal OF the Prophets*: and "I AM" has full knowledge of all things.

*CONFIRMING what the Prophets that came before him PROPHESIED. A seal is anything that serves as assurance, confirmation, or bond.

Christ is, and always will be THE LAST PROPHET. That's why He is PROPHESIED to return just before Judgment Day, inside a new body (from Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10, 22-24) with a NEW name (Mal. 4, Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12), as CONFIRMED in the Koran (Sura 43:61).

This is exactly why the Koran COMMANDS its readers to read the Bible, and warns them that those who do not follow the SUPERIOR Example of Christ (Sura 3:42-55), while He was here in the body of Jesus, are among the faithless/unbelievers/infidels, who will spend eternity in The Fire.

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The most important words in all of Scripture (both the Bible and the Koran, the latter of which CONFIRMS the forner) are found in John 3:3-7.

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


As long as someone sees this world through HUMAN eyes, they will continue to be misled by the temporary ruler of this world: Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil/red dragon). Every one of us is a spirit-Being (aspiring soul), made in the image (likeness) of God, Who is likewise a Spirit-Being (John 4:24). We are only temporarily incarnating one of these human-animal bodies, and MUST learn that we are NOT the body we are living inside of temporarily.

A human + Being = a human+Being.

Prince Michael is the IMMORTAL Firstborn SON OF GOD, i.e. He is the beginning of the creation of God (His Anointed One - The Messiah/Christ), made in His Image; the first of MANY brethren that God (Allah, the "I AM") created.

Jesus, was the MORTAL firstborn son of the virgin body of Mary, hence the designation "Son of Man".

Together, They formed the human+Being we know as Jesus+Christ.

With regard to Prince Michael/Christ being the CREATED firstborn Son of God:-


Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, THE BEGINNING of the creation OF God;

Colossians 1:12-18
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of every creature:

Romans 8:28-29
8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [His] purpose.
8:29 For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the FIRSTBORN among MANY brethren.

According to The Law that God gave us, the inheritance of the firstborn is a double-portion of all the Father has (Deut. 21:17).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath APPOINTED heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

And with regard to the firstborn son of the king, the firstborn son of the king is referred to as THE PRINCE. And the firstborn Son of God - Who is The King Ruler of the Universe -- is PRINCE Michael, THE ANOINTED ONE (Messiah/Christ - see Dan. 8:25, 9:25-27, 10:21, 12:1-4), Who COMMANDS both the nations AND the heavenly host (ALL of the Sons of God/Angels).

Revelation 12:7-9
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the Earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

All of the angels are referred to as the "Sons of God" because God created them, including Prince Michael and Gabriel, the latter of whom Prince Michael SENT to give Their Message (God's Message) to Muhammad.

Sura 2:98. Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels and Apostles, to Gabriel and Michael (Daniel 12:1; Rev. 12:7),- Lo! God is an enemy to those who reject Faith."

"Muslims" are as bad as "Christians' at reading the Scripture, and then throwing terms around that they clearly do NOT understand.

God could NEVER have a human son, because God does not procreate with humans. God also does NOT have "partners", which means there is NO QUEEN OF HEAVEN (Jer. 44:17-25, Sura 4:116-117), there is no "trinity" (Deut. 6:4, Mark 12:29, Sura 4:171), nor are there any organized religions or their fabricated textbooks required to understand God's Word (Deut. 4:2, Acts 5:29, Sura 42:6-10).

Jesus is NOT the Son of God; Prince Michael/Christ is. A "Son of God" (angel) is the CREATED offspring of God, whereas the "Son of Man" refers to the procreated offspring of man, born of a woman.

The exception to this rule is the virgin birth of Jesus, CONFIRMED by the Koran (Sura 3:42-48), to make Him stand apart from all of the other Prophets, Messengers and Apostles, so that people would take notice and hear Him.

And Muhammad (peace be upon him) was NOT a Prophet; nor does it say anywhere in the Koran that he was. A Prophet is someone who PROPHESIES, and Muhammad did not prophecy anything in the Koran, which was sent to Muhammad to CONFIRM the Bible (not to refute it, as most so-called Muslims -- unbelievers really -- try to do).

Sura 3:144. Muhammad is no more than an Apostle: many were the Apostles that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to God; but God (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

Sura 33:40. Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of "I AM", and the Seal OF the Prophets*: and "I AM" has full knowledge of all things.

*CONFIRMING what the Prophets that came before him PROPHESIED. A seal is anything that serves as assurance, confirmation, or bond.

Christ is, and always will be THE LAST PROPHET. That's why He is PROPHESIED to return just before Judgment Day, inside a new body (from Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10, 22-24) with a NEW name (Mal. 4, Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12), as CONFIRMED in the Koran (Sura 43:61).

This is exactly why the Koran COMMANDS its readers to read the Bible, and warns them that those who do not follow the SUPERIOR Example of Christ (Sura 3:42-55), while He was here in the body of Jesus, are among the faithless/unbelievers/infidels, who will spend eternity in The Fire.

Shared with love, hope and in peace.
InshaaAllah someone else will reply to your other points but I will reply to one point. The Qur'aan does not encoruge us to read the Bible. The Qur'aan uses the word 'Injeel" which refers to what was revealed to Jesus and it was changed by human beings as Allah says elsewhere. This is why you have to be careful of English translations. Also I don't know where you get the understanding that Allah commands us to read the Bible. Where? show me. You quote Ali Imraan. "while He was here in the body of Jesus, are among the faithless/unbelievers/infidels, who will spend eternity in The Fire." Where did you get this translation from??? I have never read sucha verse in my life.

Here is a translation of the verses you quoted which all REFUTE you.
And (in due time came the moment) when the angels said: "Mary, God has chosen you and made you pure, and exalted you above all the women in the world.
"Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord, prostrate and bow (in the Prayer and devotion to Him) with those who bow!"
O Messenger:) that is of the tidings of the things of the unseen (the things that took place in the past and have remained hidden from people with all their truth), which We reveal to you, for you were not present with them when they drew lots with their pens about who should have charge of Mary; nor were you present with them when they were disputing (about the matter).
And (remember) when the angels said: "Mary, God gives you the glad tidings of a Word from Him, to be called the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary,, highly honored in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those near-stationed to God.
"He will speak to people in the cradle and in manhood, and he is of the righteous."
Lord," said Mary, "how shall I have a son seeing no mortal has ever touched me?" "That is how it is," he (the Spirit who appeared before her) said, (quoting God): "God creates whatever He wills; when He decrees a thing, He does but say to it ‘Be!' and it is.
"And He will teach him the Book and the Wisdom – and the Torah and the Gospel,

May be the last part you think supports you and it doesn't. Allah just says Jesus will teach Torah and Gospel which he did but it was altered by human beings such as Paul and others.
 
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