@A Freeman
Firstly what I wrote about wisdom being part of the oral tradition ..that isn't a quote from hadith that is my own logic/thought process
Except it was neither logical nor your original thought; it was derived directly from the Hadith, which repeatedly states it is this or that "tradition of the prophet" when, in fact (truth) it not only contradicts itself but also contradicts the Koran (Quran). What's worse is you know this to be true, and yet are still being dishonest about the source of your
illogical comment, which you offered as "proof" that the Koran instructs its readers to read the Hadith, which is a very obvious
LIE.
There is no wisdom (truth from God) in lies, illogic and confusion.
Please also consider that you still have not provided one single verse from the Koran that directs its readers to read the "oral traditions", i.e. the Hadith, and that
everything you've written since this has been truthfully pointed out to you has been to distract from that
FACT.
When you read the Qur'an you apply your own personal narratives to it anyway.
It may
seem that way to the human you live inside of, who wrote this reply to defend its
errant viewpoints. Humans see
everything upside down and backwards because they have no facility to see
anything spiritual, which requires spiritual wisdom from The Supreme
SPIRITUAL-BEING (Allah, the "I AM").
How a verse is understood and applied depends on contexts and requires wisdom.
Agreed. And part of the beauty of our Creator is that understanding and application of His Word are
CONSISTENT throughout
ALL Scripture, because God is
NOT the author of confusion; Satan is. That is precisely how it is possible to easily identify when some idiot/barbarian has tried to tamper with the Scriptures, because it stands out like a sore thumb.
For example the first major Surah in the Qur'an based on how it was compiled is The Calf..
That Surah talks a lot about Israelite history and their rebellion against Moses.
Agreed. And yet it was
altered by the Roman Catholic Meccans, to facilitate the creation of the organized religion known as "Islam", which has been a very lucrative business for Mecca ever since.
The reason the Meccans altered the Koran was to try to discredit the Bible, to stop people from reading it and finding out the Truth. So they (Khadijah's cousin Waraquah according to the Vatican's archives)
changed the name
Isaac for the name
Ishmael in
Sura 2:125 and 2:127 and then claimed (and still do today) that the king James Bible is not the True Bible and that the True Bible no longer exists, so no-one can
read it (which is also against what it says in the Koran - see
Sura 15:9 and
Sura 32:23).
Proof of these alterations may be found by examining both the book of Genesis and by further examination of the Koran (Quran).
YET..due to current differences between Arab nationalism/fake Islamic revivalism and Zionist Israel...
The way a common Muslim tends tk interpret those verse related to Israel's transgressions ..tends to justify their current hatred against Israelis.
And yet the fact remains that the overwhelming majority (upwards of 95%) of those who claim to be "Jews", as most Israelis do, are
ASHKENAZIS who are only pretending to be Jews.
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/them-which-say-they-are-jews-but-are-not.6663/
That's why the
FAKE Jews in the
counterfeit Jewish state of Israel in the Middle East call themselves "Israelis" because they
KNOW they are
NOT true Israelites.
Yet when the cobwebs are removed ..there are many verses if not far more that refer to God choosing and elevating the children of Israel.
Agreed. All of which is further proof that everyone who reads the Koran (Quran)
MUST read The Law (found only in the Old Covenant) and the Gospel (found only in the New Covenant) and learn to keep The Law and follow the Gospel.
The former is the
SOLE criterion for right and wrong, and the latter clearly states that
THE Example we all need to follow is that of Christ, while He was here in the body of Jesus. This too should make it crystal clear that
ANY "traditions of men" -- which attempt to replace The Law God gave us with another set of rules (e.g. the Talmud or the Hadith, with its "Sharia law") and replace
His Anointed One with another -- are
satanic in origin.
Personal narratives shape how we internet information.
Having an understanding of Islamic history, politics and spirituality based on how Muslims interpreted the Qur'an...is how you can maybe gain some of this mythical wisdom.
A "myth" is a
LIE (falsehood/fiction/made-up story). Why would anyone need to gain (oxymoronic)
FALSE wisdom (
1 Tim. 5:20-21)?
For me that Inc reading the Bible and taking lessons from history.
As everyone should be doing. If we were
UNITED in reading the Old Covenant, New Covenant and Koran, and learning to put their teachings into practice -- asking Father (Allah, the "I AM") for His Guidance every step of The Way by establishing
CONSTANT prayer/communication with Him -- this world would be cured overnight of the fear, hatred and division caused by Satan's organized religions.
However, the Qur'an clearly instructs Muslims to follow Mohammad and furthermore tells us he has been given the wisdom.
Most of the references in the Koran (Quran) to His (Allah's) Messenger or
THE Messenger are to His (Allah's) Anointed One (Christ),
NOT to Mohammad (peace be upon him). There are at least 230 references (direct and indirect) in the Koran to Christ. How many references are there to Mohammad? Four perhaps?
How then is it possible for someone to read the Koran (Quran), which instructs its readers no less than 30 times to read The Law and/or the Gospel of Jesus (Christ) -- Who is by far the most mentioned Messenger/Prophet/Servant of God in the Koran -- for someone to
ASSUME they should be following Mohammad (peace be upon him), and
ASSUME that following Mohammad means accepting a
fabricated, self-contradictory Hadith that is
ASSUMED to be the "oral traditions" of Mohammad, even though they contradict the Koran?
Who in their right mind would believe that the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) would want anyone to follow
ANY instructions that contradict the Koran? Do you know of
ANY other prophet mentioned anywhere in the Koran that instructed anyone to follow their personal example other than Christ, while He was here in the body of Jesus? And what does the Koran actually say about true Faith (trust in God) and following Christ's Example?
Sura 3:55. Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme;
I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to The Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
Therefore the oral tradition is about relaying his words and acts to us aswell.
You're meant to take every source of information...and then use some common sense.
Nonsense. We are meant to
properly discern right from wrong, and truth from lies/fictions, using the
SOLE CRITERION for that: The Law found in the first five books of the Bible, namely:
Genesis,
Exodus,
Leviticus,
Numbers and
Deuteronomy.
Sura 2:53. And
REMEMBER We gave Moses the Scripture and
THE Criterion (Between right and wrong [The Torah]):
THERE was a chance for
YOU to be guided aright.
Sura 3:1-3
3:1. A. L. M. (Almighty. Loving. Merciful.)
3:2. Allah (God). There is no God but He,- the Living, the Self-Existing (YHWH - "I AM"), Eternal.
3:3. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book,
confirming what went before it and
He sent down The Law (of Moses)
and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this,
as a guide to mankind, and He sent down
THE Criterion (of Judgment between right and wrong).
Sura 21:48. In the past We granted to Moses and Aaron
THE Criterion (Torah) (for Judgment), and a Light and a Message
for those who would do right,-
That doesn't mean it comes without its faults ie the hadith certainly are manipulated to some extent but common sense should prevail. I myself, am aware of the history of Sunni hadith. I find them valuable and relevant in many ways. Yet I can see through various hadith simply due to surrounding contexts eg political divide between the abbasids and Shia camp.
You don't because derp....because you don't know a thing.
Do you understand what the term "cognitive dissonance" means please? It's when someone attempts to hold to two conflicting viewpoints in their mind at the same time.
If a text is deemed to be faulty (in this case not only self-contradictory, but also in obvious contradiction of the Koran/Quran and the Bible which was sent before the Koran), and someone is aware that it is not only faulty,
BUT THE SOURCE OF SATANIC DIVIDE AND CONQUER STRATEGIES, why would they use it, much less defend its use? How can something faulty come from God, much less do anything but lead those who are foolish enough to follow it to faulty conclusions?
How many times must Allah tell us that
HE sent the Bible and Koran to us so that we might be
GUIDED ARIGHT?
The Koran was meant to be the Gospel of Unity, to
UNITE all mankind into a single brotherhood determined to
DO God's Will. It very clearly instructs us to read and study The Law (Old Covenant) and the Gospel (New Covenant) for
GUIDANCE. and to learn to establish
CONSTANT prayer (telepathic communication) with Father (God, Allah, the "I AM") and
KEEP our Covenant promise to obey
His Commandments.
Sura 9:111. "I AM" hath purchased from the Believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is The Garden (of Bliss): they fight in His Cause, and slay and are slain:
a promise binding on Him in Truth, through The Law (The Torah),
The Gospel (New Testament/Covenant),
and The Koran: and who is more faithful to His Covenant (in the Bible) than "I AM"? Then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded (to fulfill The Covenant of "I AM" written in the Bible): that is the achievement supreme.
Anyone who
mistakenly believes that the Koran (Quran) was meant to further divide us into yet another evil organized religion, or that it was sent only for the Arabs or that only "Muslims" can understand the Koran -- doesn't understand the core message found within the Koran. The Koran was sent as
CONFIRMATION of The Law and the Gospel that was sent before it, so it
CANNOT be in conflict with either one
IF it is
properly understood.
however what takes the piss the most is the fact you create your own quotes of the Qur'an and can't tell the difference between Qur'an and hadith. So when I quoted the Qur'an you said "what hadith is that?" Or something like that.
Except that didn't happen, regardless of how many times you repeat that
LIE.
Instead of looking at me as the enemy (through human eyes), why not look at the truth that's being shared for everyone's benefit and focus on that instead of attempting to make it personal, to deflect attention away from your "self" and its
errant views.
For example, the reason that Father provided at least 40 references in the Koran (Quran) instructing its readers to establish
CONSTANT prayer is because He knew that extremely evil people would come along, create another organized religion at Satan's behest, and make a mockery out of prayer with their public displays 5 times a day.
Sura 4:142-143
4:142.
The Hypocrites - they think they are over-reaching God, but He will over-reach them: when they stand up to prayer, they stand without earnestness,
to be seen by men (
Matt. 6:5-8), only little do they hold God in remembrance;
4:143. (They are) distracted in mind even in the midst of it,- being (sincerely) for neither one group nor for another. Whom God leaves straying,- never wilt thou find for him
The Way (
John 14:6).
Sura 7:55. Call on your Lord with
HUMILITY and
in PRIVATE (
Enoch 56:5;
Matt. 6:6): for "I AM" loveth not those who trespass beyond bounds.
I can't take you seriously.
Says someone who (falsely) claimed:
"muslims don't regard islam as a seperate 'religion' from that of previous prophets/messengers. different books, rules and practices don't make it a different religion."
You(?) apparently don't take Father (God) nor His Messengers seriously, so how could you take anything truthful from Him seriously?
There are over 300 warnings in the Koran about
The Fire that awaits over 99.99% of mankind on Judgment Day. That alone should be enough to humble any
REAL Muslim (one who is "True in Faith").
Peace be upon you..