Double standard and slut-shaming

A Freeman

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So interpreting it in your own way is what you considered right....bruhhh.....the penalty of sin is death, Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior died on the Cross for us for the penalty of our sins. That's what he was here for.

Or you just misinterpreted what he said........the Bible isn't for everyone after all and not everyone can understand God's word. After all it was for the elected.
It's the "Elect", NOT the "elected". And Jesus paid the price for our PAST SINS (Rom. 3:25), NOT to give us the freedom to sin with impunity.

So if your interpretation of Scriptures is that God and His Firstborn Son (Christ, our Example) want women to be promiscuous and criminal adulterers, then you don't know either One of Them, nor understand the core message of the Bible: obedience to God (Acts 5:29).

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast SENT.

John 13:15-17
13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than He that sent him.
13:17 If ye KNOW these things, happy are ye if ye DO them.


John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (NOT equal to).

We've all sinned. It's time to stop that insanity, show Christ we actually Love Him by KEEPING The Law/Commandments of God, and encourage others to do the same.

Anyone doing the opposite is clearly working for the Opposer (Satan).
 

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It's the "Elect", NOT the "elected". And Jesus paid the price for our PAST SINS (Rom. 3:25), NOT to give us the freedom to sin with impunity.

So if your interpretation of Scriptures is that God and His Firstborn Son (Christ, our Example) want women to be promiscuous and criminal adulterers, then you don't know either One of Them, nor understand the core message of the Bible: obedience to God (Acts 5:29).

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast SENT.

John 13:15-17
13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than He that sent him.
13:17 If ye KNOW these things, happy are ye if ye DO them.


John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (NOT equal to).

We've all sinned. It's time to stop that insanity, show Christ we actually Love Him by KEEPING The Law/Commandments of God, and encourage others to do the same.

Anyone doing the opposite is clearly working for the Opposer (Satan).
He is God in flesh.

Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

(Are you going to skip this, Jesus wasnt bore out of sexual intimacy like the rest of us which already makes him different)

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

(Again....are you going to ignore this)

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”

(Are you going to ignore this again)


2 Peter 1:1 - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ

(And again.)


Colossians 1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: all things)

(Another one)

John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

(The word became flesh, God kept showing that he was going to come in flesh)

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

(Another one)

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.”

(Again)

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

(MNM)

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

(He and his father ARE ONE!)

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

(Again)

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!

Acts 4:12 - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5-6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)

Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

Colossians 2:9 - For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Hebrews 1:8-9 - But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”

1 Timothy 6:14-16 - “our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing, which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.”


Hebrews 2:17-18 - “Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.”
Hebrews 4:15-16 - “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”
1 Peter 2:24 - “who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed.”

He went from sovereignty to shame and from deity to death? Why!? For you.
John 15:13 - “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.”

You do know that the pharisees called Jesus a blasphemer for claiming to be God, right....
 

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It's the "Elect", NOT the "elected". And Jesus paid the price for our PAST SINS (Rom. 3:25), NOT to give us the freedom to sin with impunity.
Sorry for my vocabulary.

How is a simple sentence that clearly states "Go and sin no more" mind boggle you that much. "Sin no more" what does that actually mean. The 'no' in the sentence is there, its not a 'yes'.

What does 'no' mean.

Not at all.
To no extent.
Negative.

Yet somehow you define it as 'yes'.

He didnt say "Go and sin" he said "Go and sin no more"

Why would he add "no more"

What does "no more" mean.

Definition

"nothing further"
"no longer"

So how does this say it is right.
 

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Yes after saving the adulteress from the mob he said "sin no more", he certainly didn't say "carry on".
Likewise when he chatted to the woman at the well (below) he simply told her he knew she'd lived with 5 men, to make her feel a bit ashamed-

 

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Sorry for my vocabulary.

How is a simple sentence that clearly states "Go and sin no more" mind boggle you that much. "Sin no more" what does that actually mean. The 'no' in the sentence is there, its not a 'yes'.

What does 'no' mean.

Not at all.
To no extent.
Negative.

Yet somehow you define it as 'yes'.

He didnt say "Go and sin" he said "Go and sin no more"

Why would he add "no more"

What does "no more" mean.

Definition

"nothing further"
"no longer"

So how does this say it is right.
Are you sure YOU understand what the words "go and sin no more" mean? The same exact message has been personally, and repeatedly shared on this forum, for everyone's benefit. For someone to "go and sin no more" they MUST keep The Law and NEVER turn back. Sin = the transgression of The Law (1 John 3:4), so "go and sin no more" is exactly the same as saying "go and keep The Law perfectly from this point forward".

Obviously Jesus spoke those exact words earlier in the Gospel according to John, to the sick man at Bethesda, when He saw that man later in the Temple.

John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in The Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a WORSE thing come unto thee.

And that's exactly where the Roman Catholic church found that wording, and is why they used those words in their fabricated story of the adulterous woman: to make the story they added to the Bible seem believable to the gullible.

It's also why you are pretending you understand those words, without THINKING about what they actually mean, while ignoring the truth that the story was NOT in the original text of the Gospel of John. And again, WHAT ABOUT THE MAN WHO THE WOMAN WAS ALLEGEDLY CAUGHT WITH IN THE ACT OF ADULTERY? Why was he not likewise brought before the council to be stoned, in accordance with The Law?

Wouldn't THAT be a double-standard? Isn't THAT the topic of this thread?

Instead of reacting emotionally to the truth that has been shared about the fabricated story of the adulterous woman, why not DO what Christ teaches and study The Law, and His Words in the Gospel accounts, asking for Father's (God's) Guidance every step of The Way. There simply is no other way to remove the scales from your eyes that are blinding you to the truth.

Peace be upon you.
 
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It's also why you are pretending you understand those words, without THINKING about what they actually mean, while ignoring the truth
Reverse this back you yourself.

Fun fact: the Bible is simple and cut throat. Trying to make it correspond with what you believe....isn't gonna work.

You shall not add nor take out anything from the bible.

What at you doing? Since you seem to be into a bunch of research about the book of John. There are researchers who also claim the roman catholics changed the verse about homosexuality in the bible in Leviticus.

From "men shall not lay with younger boys" to "men shall not lay with men".

Does that make it true o_O.
 

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WHAT ABOUT THE MAN WHO THE WOMAN WAS ALLEGEDLY CAUGHT WITH IN THE ACT OF ADULTERY? Why was he not likewise brought before the council to be stoned, in accordance with The Law?
The bible also says that men shouldn't lust after women. Does that make the statement sexist? No. Women do it too.

The pharisees wanted the woman to be stoned. They called HER out.They judged HER not the man in the act.
 

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I was expecting someone would come up with that dumbass logic.
It's crazy how much of their defects men will project onto women in a attempt to justify their own immoral and decadent choices. It never fails.
 

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Do forget that there are just as much women who can't control their sex drives either. Just because the media shows men as the main ones who can't control themselves, doesn't make it always true.
she's talking about the statistics of sexual assault/harassement. It's generally men who are the perpetrators.
 

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The bible also says that men shouldn't lust after women. Does that make the statement sexist? No. Women do it too.

The pharisees wanted the woman to be stoned. They called HER out.They judged HER not the man in the act.
You're either intentionally ignoring what was shared with you, which proves you to be in error, or you are still missing the point.

IF the pharisees actually caught a woman in the act of adultery, then they caught her with a man who was likewise committing adultery. That by itself proves the story was fabricated, because both the man and the woman should be put to death for that offense according to The Law.

Deuteronomy 22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, THEN THEY SHALL BOTH OF THEM DIE, [both] the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

The Law doesn't say "it's okay if you only want to judge an adulterous woman and not judge the man too". It provides God's PERFECT judgment for that crime, and that PERFECT punishment clearly requires both criminals be put to death.

So you are attempting to claim Christ isn't fair, and doesn't follow The Law, and is a liar, Who told us that The Law will NEVER pass away, but decided in this one instance He would do away with The Law, while at the very same time allegedly contradicting Himself by telling the woman to go and keep The Law perfectly from that moment onward.

And you are accusing me of adding to the Bible, when it was the RCC who added the story of the adulterous woman to the Bible, which you apparently believe is just fine, since you are promoting that fabrication. You hypocrite!

Both those in male bodies and in female bodies NEED to learn self-control and keep The Law from this moment onward (i.e. everyone needs to "go and sin no more") or they are going to burn for it. Anyone who genuinely loves others would NEVER encourage them to do things which will harm them, particularly when it could cost them their real eternal lives.

Please stop doing that, for both your sake and for the sake of those you might deceive with your self-contradictory nonsense.

Peace be upon you.
 

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@A Freeman
In your understanding of scripture, does it imply that the adulterous and promiscuous woman cannot be saved?
Thereby blocking her entry into heaven?
Anyone who genuinely repents of their sins has hope of salvation.

THAT is Christ's Sacrifice purchased for everyone at a terrible price, paying for our PAST sins/crimes (Rom. 3:25): the opportunity to come to our senses, stop being so selfish, stupid and evil (sinful), and start keeping our promises (Covenants - both of them) with Father (God) to keep His Perfect Law (The Law - found in the first five books of the Bible, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy).

What most seem to be missing is that sin is the transgression (breaking) of The Law (1 John 3:4). Breaking The Law (any of it) is a crime (sin). So it logically follows that the ONLY Way someone can genuinely repent is to start keeping The Law with all of their heart, mind, soul and strength and NEVER look back. To do otherwise is to willfully choose to remain an unrepentant habitual criminal (sinner), making a mockery of Christ's Sacrifice.

The irony is that the very same people who are mistakenly arguing that the story of the adulterous woman wasn't added because Jesus said "go and sin no more" (which He did say to the man at Bethesda after he had been healed - John 5:14) don't seem to realize that going and sinning no more can only be genuinely (truly) accomplished by keeping The Law. That's why they try to cleverly sidestep that issue, because their entire paradigm would collapse should they choose to face that TRUTH.

Who are those that cannot be saved?
Those who willfully refuse/reject the guidance and correction made available to all through the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is NOT some third character in a pagan, nonsensical 3=1 deity, but instead is our connection (hotline) to/with The Almighty (Father, the "I AM") to help us differentiate between what is good and evil, right and wrong, clean and unclean, etc.

I thought the teachings/works of Christ implied all can be saved by their belief and devotion to him, due to his dying for everyone's sin?
Yes, however belief and devotion to Him requires following His Teachings/Works (all of which are about keeping The Law/Commandments of God) with our thoughts, words and actions, thereby overcoming our selfish, sinful nature and learning to be good.
 
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So you're saying the bible makes things up!
Tut tut mate, your nanny will be furious with you-

Why are you lying? And who do you suppose told you to tell that lie, creating yet another strawman argument?

The Bible doesn't make anything up. Evil men make things up and then add them to the Bible (or take them away) in direct violation of The Law/Commandments of God (Deut. 4:2, 12:32).

One of the amazing features of the Bible is that it has built in error-correction, i.e. it tells us specifically how to identify when someone has tampered with it. That's how we can be absolutely certain the story of the adulterous woman was fabricated, and then later added to the Bible, by the very same group that tried to keep the Bible from everyone for over 1200 years: the Roman Catholic church.

Instead of trying to be clever, why don't you think about what's been shared for everyone's benefit, to help make the world a better place for everyone, including those in female bodies who may mistakenly feel the only worth they have is to offer sexual favours to others.
 
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Applying The Law to this situation for everyone's benefit:-

"Slut shaming" discourages women who might otherwise be inclined to be promiscuous and/or commit the crime of adultery. Pretending to be tolerant of such destructive behaviour actually encourages it. No one who genuinely loves others would encourage them to continue behaviour which is destructive to themselves and to others. And BOTH genders need to be encouraged to keep The Law, which naturally places an emphasis on Love (sacrifice for the good of everyone, NOT sex), family (the basic building block of a healthy society), justice, honesty, fidelity, teamwork and every other wholesome, fulfilling activity which will bring TRUE joy to all involved.

Similarly, "fat-shaming" discourages those who have given in to gluttony from that destructive, selfish behaviour. Allowing one's body to take control and eat however much it wants not only steals food out of the mouths of others, which causes starvation, creates unnecessary waste, unnecessary pollution, unnecessary sickness and disease, and the unnecessary medical attention and financial burden on others to support such destructive behaviours.

"Smoke-shaming" (if there is such terminology) those who smoke cigarettes or cigars, etc. discourages those who do such things from that similarly selfish and destructive behaviour, which not only isn't doing the smoker any good, but isn't doing anyone else any good either. Many who do such things are so selfish they simply throw their cigarette butts wherever they finish their cigarettes, as if it's someone else's responsibility to clean up after them.

And the list goes on. All of us know, or should know, that the selfish, unnatural and unhealthy things we allow these humans to do are not doing anyone any good.

The Solution to all of what ails us is found in The Law, exactly as Christ teaches. "Go and sin no more, lest a WORSE thing happen to you" should be enough incentive for each of us to seek to do what is right in our Creator's Eyes rather than what we mistakenly believe is something we can get away with in our own eyes.

We can and must help Christ make this world a better place for everyone. There is no other way to love one another as Father and Christ love us.
 

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Tidal said- So you're saying the bible makes things up!
Tut tut mate, your nanny will be furious with you.
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Why are you lying? And who do you suppose told you to tell that lie, crfeating yet another strawman argument?

But mate, YOU said the adulteress bit was "fabricated" and added to the Bible, not me.. :p
Fabricated means (according to any dictionary)-"To invent or produce something false in order to deceive"

You're therefore saying bits were added to the Bible to deceive people.
Careful, the naughty step..
 

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Deuteronomy 22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, THEN THEY SHALL BOTH OF THEM DIE, [both] the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
Then Jesus died for our sins and through repentance we got forgiveness...........Jesus even talked about how the pharisees were obsessed with laws yet failed to believe he was the Messiah.

The verse you quoted doesn't add to your point since christians are free from sin. The wages of sin is death. And death can be avoided through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and repenting.

You can follow ALL the laws in the bible yet that doesn't grant you eternal life. There are people who dont even believe in God yet still live according to God's commandements. Faith/belief does and through belief you will do what God commanded you to do.

He said "Go and sin no more" you're saying its encouraging it. If thats the case then what you are implying is that the entire bible encourages all kinds of wrongs.

Even in the commandments. "Thou shall not steal". I guess that means I should according to you.

What the women did thereafter, I do not know. But Jesus Christ never condoned what she did.

I'm tired at this point, being ignorant is a choice. And its obvious you've chosen it. I won't reply herafter I've made my point multiple times.

May God show you the truth.
 

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When the first gospels were written, NOBODY from the priests or the Romans or the people ever came forward to say "Baloney, Jesus never rescued no adulteress!".
That's because they knew they'd just make themselves look silly because there were too many eyewitnesses who saw him do it..:)

 
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