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shankara

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Tidal claims to be a Christian yet no true Christian will/would use violence to protect themselves. I know that sounds odd from a worldly pov but that's the way it is.
I understand your point of view, as Buddhists we are effectively called to do the same thing. The Dalai Lama is essentially a pacifist, and has spoken forcefully against militarism. However if one is in a situation where somebody is going to kill you, I'd say the option to defend oneself may be correct. Or one could accept being killed, it really depends on the circumstances. What Tidal is describing is a situation of total chaos. I would say that as he is attempting to preserve some kind of culture and humanity, group survival, and is up against some roving gangs who have no issue with killing and no concern for anyone but themselves, I would say that his idea of self defense has some justification in this case. Absolute moral norms without regard for situations aren't always sane approaches to reality.
 

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However if one is in a situation where somebody is going to kill you, I'd say the option to defend oneself may be correct.
Because you have no God to pray to for help..so you can understand tidal’s humanistic approach to this..but as a Christian..if he actually were one..he would be praying to God for his help.
 

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Because you have no God to pray to for help..so you can understand tidal’s humanistic approach to this..but as a Christian..if he actually were one..he would be praying to God for his help.
Well I could pray for help as well, such prayers exist in Buddhism. However there are situations in which praying would not be the appropriate response. You seem to be in favor of the military, and I assume you are also in favor of policing? How can you reconcile such an attitude with a commitment to total pacifism in all situations?
 

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I understand your point of view, as Buddhists we are effectively called to do the same thing. The Dalai Lama is essentially a pacifist, and has spoken forcefully against militarism. However if one is in a situation where somebody is going to kill you, I'd say the option to defend oneself may be correct. Or one could accept being killed, it really depends on the circumstances. What Tidal is describing is a situation of total chaos. I would say that as he is attempting to preserve some kind of culture and humanity, group survival, and is up against some roving gangs who have no issue with killing and no concern for anyone but themselves, I would say that his idea of self defense has some justification in this case. Absolute moral norms without regard for situations aren't always sane approaches to reality.
Total chaos or not if you decide to follow Christ and therefore his teachings then you don't use violence or resist an evil man... even if it leads to your death. Anyway what kind of faith would i have as a Christian if i just threw away the teachings based on what was happening in the world?
 

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Total chaos or not if you decide to follow Christ and therefore his teachings then you don't use violence or resist an evil man... even if it leads to your death. Anyway what kind of faith would i have as a Christian if i just threw away the teachings based on what was happening in the world?
I'd say that such a teaching is about forgiveness. Buddhism also has the same idea, "evil cannot be resisted by evil". But the idea of "turn the other cheek" assumes you still have a cheek to turn. Usually non-violence is the best, and the most successful. However there are situations where it is somewhat absurd. Say you are able to kill someone who is just about to kill a number of people, do you do so? Because if you didn't, wouldn't you have more blood on your hands?

Actually the situation Tidal is describing is somewhat like this, the question is group survival.
 

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Sometimes you're funny but other times you're just plain silly and a charlatan.
You aint no Christian but yet you try and talk the talk...Tidal, mate, you would just as well give your heart over to Jesus full time.

Get somebody to check your monitor display settings mate, you must have missed my post containing a truckload of feedback from my fans all over internetland..:)
 

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I'd say that such a teaching is about forgiveness. Buddhism also has the same idea, "evil cannot be resisted by evil". But the idea of "turn the other cheek" assumes you still have a cheek to turn. Usually non-violence is the best, and the most successful. However there are situations where it is somewhat absurd. Say you are able to kill someone who is just about to kill a number of people, do you do so? Because if you didn't, wouldn't you have more blood on your hands?

Actually the situation Tidal is describing is somewhat like this, the question is group survival.
I'll go to the bottom part first. I disagree when you say 'group survival'. i say Tidal is thinking more self preservation (which is only natural right?) than group survival.

Absurd? Sure it is but only from a wordly pov as a Christian i don't live by the rules of the world. (or at least i try not to). And no i wouldn't be responsible for anyone else's crimes. I could throw myself in the middle of a hail of bullets in the hope of saving a bunch of folks but i wouldn't intentionally take a life as it's not mines to take whatever the circs and again i'll say it...i know that sounds absurd from a worldly pov but that's the way it is.
 

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Get somebody to check your monitor display settings mate, you must have missed my post containing a truckload of feedback from my fans all over internetland..:)
Yea i read that mate...grow up.
 

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Yep..its all hypothetical..except for his thinking its now ok to steal...
if he were an actual Christian..this thread would have in it in the beginning the desire to pray and ask God what he should do now...

1- I've told you before sweety-pie, if you're happy to be living on Indian land that was stolen from them by force, I'm quite happy for my survival group to set up shop in a deserted country house whose owners have died.. :p

2- God gave me the precious gift of commonsense, and that commonsense tells me to get out of the post-apoc city, it's not rocket science..:)

Here's me leading my squad in Armed Assault III, I tell them "Stick with me if you want to live"

 

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..as a Christian..if he actually were one..he would be praying to God for his help.

Yes, if I NEEDED God's guidance to make life-or-death decisions I'd certainly ask him, but I certainly wouldn't keep pestering him for no reason..:)
Thanks to the organisational and tactical commonsense he gave me, I've survived very well on the online strategy gaming field for 18 years under my fighting name 'PoorOldSpike', so in a real-world apocalyptic survival situation I like to think I'd do pretty good there too.. :cool:




 

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Yes, if I NEEDED God's guidance to make life-or-death decisions I'd certainly ask him, but I certainly wouldn't keep pestering him for no reason..:)
Thanks to the organisational and tactical commonsense he gave me, I've survived very well on the online strategy gaming field for 18 years under my fighting name 'PoorOldSpike', so in a real-world apocalyptic survival situation I like to think I'd do pretty good there too.. :cool:




i dont play those types of games so is the 42 in the lost column the amount of times you died?
 

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Well I could pray for help as well, such prayers exist in Buddhism. However there are situations in which praying would not be the appropriate response. You seem to be in favor of the military, and I assume you are also in favor of policing? How can you reconcile such an attitude with a commitment to total pacifism in all situations?
I’m in favor of praying to God and letting Him guide you.
 

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1- I've told you before sweety-pie, if you're happy to be living on Indian land that was stolen from them by force, I'm quite happy for my survival group to set up shop in a deserted country house whose owners have died.. :p

2- God gave me the precious gift of commonsense, and that commonsense tells me to get out of the post-apoc city, it's not rocket science..:)

Here's me leading my squad in Armed Assault III, I tell them "Stick with me if you want to live"

Luke‬ ‭18:1-8‬ ‭
Now He was telling them a parable to show that at all times they ought to pray and not to lose heart, saying, “In a certain city there was a judge who did not fear God and did not respect man. There was a widow in that city, and she kept coming to him, saying, ‘Give me legal protection from my opponent.’ For a while he was unwilling; but afterward he said to himself, ‘Even though I do not fear God nor respect man, yet because this widow bothers me, I will give her legal protection, otherwise by continually coming she will wear me out.’ ” And the Lord said, “Hear what the unrighteous judge said; now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them? I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?
 

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I'll go to the bottom part first. I disagree when you say 'group survival'. i say Tidal is thinking more self preservation (which is only natural right?) than group survival.

Absurd? Sure it is but only from a wordly pov as a Christian i don't live by the rules of the world. (or at least i try not to). And no i wouldn't be responsible for anyone else's crimes. I could throw myself in the middle of a hail of bullets in the hope of saving a bunch of folks but i wouldn't intentionally take a life as it's not mines to take whatever the circs and again i'll say it...i know that sounds absurd from a worldly pov but that's the way it is.
Yeah I do see your point, there are Buddhists who would say the same thing. It's definitely much better to be pacifist than to be bellicose and militarist. Do you pay taxes which will be used to fund the military?
 

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..you aren’t an actual Christian.

Careful poppikins, the naughty step again.. ;)
Jesus said- "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned.." (Luke 6:37)
 

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BTW everybody, I also own games like this one, you have to lead a prehistoric tribe and help them survive, and of course it comes naturally to me because I was born and bred in the english midlands city of Leicester which was once occupied by stone age tribes, so it's in my blood..:cool:

 
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