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Tidal

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..Here we have a self Proclaimed Christian..no mention that he follows God or asks Him for help...

Petal, God has ALREADY GIVEN ME the priceless gift of a strong powerful Christian mindset to see me through anything, so why should I want to pester him for anything else?
"For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline" (2 Tim 1:7)

For example in 2002 I was just out of jail (3 month vigilante rap), jobless, homeless, girlfriendless, near-penniless, homeless and living rough in a tent in a wood near Cheltenham, shivering with near-hypothermia because of thyroid problems, but not for an instant was I downhearted because I was too busy laughing at myself; "Oh great" I thought, "I've ended up as Bigfoot", but I soon got out and up..:)
"Personality opens doors"- Lord Alan Sugar
 

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I'm not trying to get at you Lisa, but have you really thought this through? Different places at different times have different norms regarding private property. In a situation where literally almost everybody is dead and the world is extremely dangerous, the key thing is to survive. There is an extremely high likelihood that the people who previously owned the property, along with all their descendants are dead. Even if they weren't, they would presumably be concerned with their own survival, which is much more likely in a group of people. You simply can't apply norms which are designed for different conditions to such times, it's a "state of nature", there is no government to enforce contracts or laws hence effectively they are nullified. Given that the other option is to die, occupying unused property is by far the lesser evil. Even the most ardent capitalist would accept that given such a state of generalized chaos and destruction property rights are no longer an important consideration.

My own views on private property are of course quite different to yours, but I'm trying to make you see that different times call for different modes of action, or as it said "desperate times call for desperate measures".
If you’re gonna say your a Christians the FIRST option is prayer and not decide to steal someone else’s property...it’s all I’m saying. The second thing is that you don’t really know what’s going to be happening in that time or if you will be in a time where 99% of the population is dead so you can go ahead take someone to less stuff for yourself..I think that just shows us what in his heart that he’s willing to take things that doesn’t belong to him and then he’s saying it’s his and certain people aren’t allowed on what he thinks is now his property. He’s even going to find fencing somewhere and surround ‘his’ property to keep others out! So what’s really in his heart here?
 

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Yes, after the apocalypse i'll STILL be an Elvis fan, and i'll STILL be a Jesus fan, nothing'll change that..:)

How then are willing to defend yourself through the use of weapons when Jesus tells us,

"39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. "

Maybe you should explain to your non Christian guests that in the event of attack you will follow Jesus and wont resist an 'evil person(s)...i think they have the right to know.
 

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"desperate times call for desperate measures".

Right, in this episode of Survivors (1975), the tyrannical settlement leader Brod (Brian Blessed) has taken Hubert and some others prisoner to work as slaves, but Hubert is having none of it and gets a crossbow to settle Brod's hash..:)

 

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Petal, God has ALREADY GIVEN ME the priceless gift of a strong powerful Christian mindset to see me through anything, so why should I want to pester him for anything else?
"For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline" (2 Tim 1:7)

For example in 2002 I was just out of jail (3 month vigilante rap), jobless, homeless, girlfriendless, near-penniless, homeless and living rough in a tent in a wood near Cheltenham, shivering with near-hypothermia because of thyroid problems, but not for an instant was I downhearted because I was too busy laughing at myself; "Oh great" I thought, "I've ended up as Bigfoot", but I soon got out and up..:)
"Personality opens doors"- Lord Alan Sugar
You’re an idiot and that’s all you are. You don’t have a ‘powerful’ Christian mindset..because the Christian has their minds set on God and His will.
 

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How then are willing to defend yourself through the use of weapons when Jesus tells us,
"39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also...

Yes we should always offer people an olive branch at first, but if they reject it we have to defend ourselves like we did against the nazis and japs.
Of course, some cultists like the JW's refuse to fight in any war, and if everybody thought like them, history would have had scenes like this-



And remember, when they came to arrest Jesus in Gethsemane, Peter whipped out his sword and whacked the high priests flunkey across the head with it, slicing off his ear, so obviously Jesus had no objection to him carrying it, possibly as a deterrent to muggers on their travels..:)
 

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You’re an idiot and that’s all you are. You don’t have a ‘powerful’ Christian mindset..because the Christian has their minds set on God and His will.

Ok honeybun, when you and your family stay in the post-apoc city and get eaten by starving mobs we'll say it was "God's will".. :p
 

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Yes we should always offer people an olive branch at first, but if they reject it we have to defend ourselves like we did against the nazis and japs.
Of course, some cultists like the JW's refuse to fight in any war, and if everybody thought like them, history would have had scenes like this-



And remember, when they came to arrest Jesus in Gethsemane, Peter whipped out his sword and whacked the high priests flunkey across the head with it, slicing off his ear, so obviously Jesus had no objection to him carrying it, possibly as a deterrent to muggers on their travels..:)

Jesus was afraid of muggers?...Hahaha...what a roaster you are.

I think Lisa, in certain things, has got you rumbled
 

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Jesus was afraid of muggers?...Hahaha...what a roaster you are.
I think Lisa, in certain things, has got you rumbled

Tell us Dr. Strangelove, what are Stucky and Lisa's chances of surviving unarmed against the starving mobs in the city?

"If they can find a deep mineshaft they might survive for some considerable time before they're overwhelmed by hordes of rats"
 

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Ok honeybun, when you and your family stay in the post-apoc city and get eaten by starving mobs we'll say it was "God's will".. :p
Would that be God’s will? See..you don’t even know.
 

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Tell us Dr. Strangelove, what are Stucky and Lisa's chances of surviving unarmed against the starving mobs in the city?

"If they can find a deep mineshaft they might survive for some considerable time before they're overwhelmed by hordes of rats"
I refer you back to Jesus Quote in #124

And i'll add,

Unless the Lord builds the house,
the builders labor in vain.
Unless the Lord watches over the city,
the guards stand watch in vain.
In vain you rise early
and stay up late,
toiling for food to eat—
for he grants sleep to those he loves.
 

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Tidal said- Ok honeybun, when you and your family stay in the post-apoc city and get eaten by starving mobs we'll say it was "God's will"..:)
Would that be God’s will? See..you don’t even know.

If it's God's will that the mobs will eat you, who are we to argue with him?.. :p
 

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Tidal said- Ok honeybun, when you and your family stay in the post-apoc city and get eaten by starving mobs we'll say it was "God's will"..:)



If it's God's will that the mobs will eat you, who are we to argue with him?.. :p
No doubt..but why would it be God’s will that they would?
 

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Unless the Lord watches over the city,
the guards stand watch in vain.

Right, God decided Sodom/Gomorrah wasn't worth saving so he warned Lot to get out.
Our corrupt modern cities might just get the same treatment, you can stay put if you like but include me out..:)

1- LOT- "Don't look back!"
2- WIFE- "Stop telling me what to do!"
3- ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP

4- WIFE- "Hmm funny, my skin feels a little dry"..

 

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Tidal said- If it's God's will that the mobs will eat you, who are we to argue with him?.. :p
No doubt..but why would it be God’s will that they would?

Well God might be a little annoyed with you for putting him to the test by staying in the death-trap city..:)
 

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Right, God decided Sodom/Gomorrah wasn't worth saving so he warned Lot to get out.
Our corrupt modern cities might just get the same treatment, you can stay put if you like but include me out..:)

1- LOT- "Don't look back!"
2- WIFE- "Stop telling me what to do!"
3- ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP

4- WIFE- "Hmm funny, my skin feels a little dry"..

Sometimes you're funny but other times you're just plain silly and a charlatan.

You aint no Christian but yet you try and talk the talk...Tidal, mate, you would just as well give your heart over to Jesus full time.
 

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No doubt..but why would it be God’s will that they would?
"God helps those who help themselves" as the saying goes. Didn't Jesus refuse to throw Himself off of the temple? Come on Lisa, where's that "common sense" you're always claiming to have? Would you go somewhere extremely dangerous and just wander around flashing cash at everyone and making it clear you're an unarmed American tourist? Because that's the kind of situation you're putting yourself in if the things Tidal is describing take place. Though I'm somewhat unconvinced that it's a realistic scenario, nonetheless we are dealing with hypotheticals.

Tell us Dr. Strangelove, what are Stucky and Lisa's chances of surviving unarmed against the starving mobs in the city?

"If they can find a deep mineshaft they might survive for some considerable time before they're overwhelmed by hordes of rats"
You know Tidal, I generally completely disagree with you on the subject of violence, especially when it comes to Anglo-American military adventures. In fact I'm even quite sympathetic to the "ploughshares" people. However even the Dalai Lama says that appeasement is not always the rights thing to do, and when it comes to a situation where you are faced with potential aggression, you have the right to defend yourself. Especially in the scenario you are proposing, in which you are basically preserving culture against people who have fallen into actual barbarism (not the so-called barbarism spoken of by colonialists to justify their own aggression).
 

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You know Tidal, I generally completely disagree with you on the subject of violence, especially when it comes to Anglo-American military adventures. In fact I'm even quite sympathetic to the "ploughshares" people. However even the Dalai Lama says that appeasement is not always the rights thing to do, and when it comes to a situation where you are faced with potential aggression, you have the right to defend yourself. Especially in the scenario you are proposing, in which you are basically preserving culture against people who have fallen into actual barbarism (not the so-called barbarism spoken of by colonialists to justify their own aggression).
Tidal claims to be a Christian yet no true Christian will/would use violence to protect themselves. I know that sounds odd from a worldly pov but that's the way it is.
 

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"God helps those who help themselves" as the saying goes. Didn't Jesus refuse to throw Himself off of the temple? Come on Lisa, where's that "common sense" you're always claiming to have? Would you go somewhere extremely dangerous and just wander around flashing cash at everyone and making it clear you're an unarmed American tourist? Because that's the kind of situation you're putting yourself in if the things Tidal is describing take place. Though I'm somewhat unconvinced that it's a realistic scenario, nonetheless we are dealing with hypotheticals.
That’s not God’s saying..that’s mans. God helps those who ask for His help.

What does Jesus refusing to throw Himself off the temple have to do with this?

If I were in a situation where I went somewhere I didn’t know and found myself in the rough portion of town..yep! I would pray for help. I’ve done it before when I visited London and we went to the movies. Didn’t know where that the movie house I picked wasn’t in the best part of town..and I prayed that God would keep us safe. Even a man on the bus asked us why we were there and I told him that when you look up movies that it doesn’t say this is the rough part of town. So we ended up finding the movie house and watching the movie..and we were fine and I’m convinced it was because I prayed to God to help us. He didn’t lead us back to a different place..but we carried on with the plan. And now every time we watch that particular movie..we are reminded that we saw that one in London.

Yep..its all hypothetical..except for his thinking its now ok to steal..which I think he has that mindset. Plus..if we want to be totally honest..if he were an actual Christian..this thread would look totally different and would go no where. Because it would have in it in the beginning the desire to pray and ask God what he should do now. We wouldn’t really know the answer to that either since its not a real situation. He’s taken a movie and is playing it out here and thinks that’s real life.
 

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Tidal claims to be a Christian yet no true Christian will/would use violence to protect themselves. I know that sounds odd from a worldly pov but that's the way it is.
That’s the thing..would we use violence to protect ourselves? Does the Bible talk about self defense..or is it all about running to God and He being your strong tower..your rock..a stronghold..etc. No where in this do I see a Christian running to God..but doing humanist things without regard to God.
 
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