Wearing a Mask

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Yea, that’s fine. It doesn’t mean their beliefs are well founded, in every instance. Even conspiracy theorists should be open to the idea they might be factually incorrect on occasions.
I mean, not even I am right all of the time - hard as that might be to believe! ;)
The same can be said whatever it is you're trying to peddle on these boards. I can assure you, anyone who can think critically isn't buying anything that you're selling. Your long winded online diatribes with your alleged background as a nurse isn't reassuring anyone who's noticing that TPTB are doing what they can to take our freedom(s) away from us.
 
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Hon33

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The same can be said whatever it is you're trying to peddle on these boards. I can assure you, anyone who can think critically isn't buying anything that you're selling. Your long winded online diatribes with your alleged background as a nurse isn't reassuring anyone who's noticing that TPTB are doing what they can to take our freedom(s) away from us.
So you’re not buying the science behind how the body works?
So I take it if you ever need medical intervention to keep that body working, you’ll refuse?
Would you mind explaining what diatribe I’m posting? I mean, I’ve made my stance on mask-wearing clear. Somewhere at the very start off all this I agreed that the pharmaceutical industry was primarily a profit-making one which had the potential to corrupt it. I’ve acknowledged that governments have often been and continue to be corrupt. I have accepted that while I see some things like 9/11 differently it is perfectly probable that there was something else going on - I have even said I would not be at all surprised if it turned out to be the case. I read the articles people link etc and watch videos.
So what am I guilty of? Falsely claiming to be a nurse? Would you like me to send you my registration details so you can check them? Why would I lie? You realise that it’s this kind of comment that undermines your arguments? It makes you look irrational. The world is not out to trick you, even if individuals are.
Someone spent pages trying to convince me that science was absolute. Now you’re trying to convince me there’s no grounds for science at all. No matter who you think I’d lying to you, your body doesn’t lie. The fact remains that it is very, very unlikely, that wearing of masks - because of the chemistry behind the science - will interfere with the breathing of a healthy individual.
I didn’t invent the science. I have nothing to gain by lying to you. What does anyone else have to gain by lying to you? What are they trying to achieve? Aren’t there easier ways of stripping individuals of their identity and dignity than creating a virus and making everyone wear masks? If that is the common goal in mask wearing, why aren’t all governments enforcing it?
Everything you accuse me of, you are guilty of in reverse. That’s okay, you continue on with your moral high ground and I’ll continue with the truth, as I know it. I’ll continue to have an open mind, while understanding what I do know to be true (there are some truths, like how the body works, which are true). You continue to be suspicious and fearful while denying the place of individual responsibility.
 
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So you’re not buying the science behind how the body works?
So I take it if you ever need medical intervention to keep that body working, you’ll refuse?
Would you mind explaining what diatribe I’m posting? I mean, I’ve made my stance on mask-wearing clear. Somewhere at the very start off all this I agreed that the pharmaceutical industry was primarily a profit-making one which had the potential to corrupt it. I’ve acknowledged that governments have often been and continue to be corrupt. I have accepted that while I see some things like 9/11 differently it is perfectly probable that there was something else going on - I have even said I would not be at all surprised if it turned out to be the case. I read the articles people link etc and watch videos.
So what am I guilty of? Falsely claiming to be a nurse? Would you like me to send you my registration details so you can check them? Why would I lie? You realise that it’s this kind of comment that undermines your arguments? It makes you look irrational. The world is not out to trick you, even if individuals are.
Someone spent pages trying to convince me that science was absolute. Now you’re trying to convince me there’s no grounds for science at all. No matter who you think I’d lying to you, your body doesn’t lie. The fact remains that it is very, very unlikely, that wearing of masks - because of the chemistry behind the science - will interfere with the breathing of a healthy individual.
I didn’t invent the science. I have nothing to gain by lying to you. What does anyone else have to gain by lying to you? What are they trying to achieve? Aren’t there easier ways of stripping individuals of their identity and dignity than creating a virus and making everyone wear masks? If that is the common goal in mask wearing, why aren’t all governments enforcing it?
Everything you accuse me of, you are guilty of in reverse. That’s okay, you continue on with your moral high ground and I’ll continue with the truth, as I know it. I’ll continue to have an open mind, while understanding what I do know to be true (there are some truths, like how the body works, which are true). You continue to be suspicious and fearful while denying the place of individual responsibility.
 

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The latest COVID-19 spikes seem to defy the whole mask-wearing theory.

It goes back to what I've said before about a false sense of security. And the medicinal community simply not having any better recommendations. The reality is, most people testing positive these days probably had COVID-19 antibodies this whole time. Plus we don't really know what type of testing each positive case received.
 

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The latest COVID-19 spikes seem to defy the whole mask-wearing theory.

It goes back to what I've said before about a false sense of security. And the medicinal community simply not having any better recommendations. The reality is, most people testing positive these days probably had COVID-19 antibodies this whole time. Plus we don't really know what type of testing each positive case received.
Do you mean spikes in the US or generally?
 

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The latest COVID-19 spikes seem to defy the whole mask-wearing theory.

It goes back to what I've said before about a false sense of security. And the medicinal community simply not having any better recommendations. The reality is, most people testing positive these days probably had COVID-19 antibodies this whole time. Plus we don't really know what type of testing each positive case received.
You won’t necessarily test positive though, at the same time as having an positive antibody test. You will develop the antibodies in response to having been infected but you be could clear of the infection, now. If that makes sense?
I do think you are right about complacency though and that has been part of the argument against wearing masks and gloves in the U.K. The best control is hand washing and social distancing. Wearing a mask doesn’t take away the need to wash hands.
Hand washing is always the best line of defence.
 

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Do you mean spikes in the US or generally?
It's my understanding that specific areas of the U.S are having new COVID-19 spikes. In Ohio for example, the average positive case per day was around 400-500. Now the past few days there have been upwards of 800 new cases. Also, there's no clear indication as to why. People in Ohio are still wearing masks, we are still social distancing. The city I live in just canceled their 4th of July parade.

You won’t necessarily test positive though, at the same time as having an positive antibody test. You will develop the antibodies in response to having been infected but you be could clear of the infection, now. If that makes sense?
I do think you are right about complacency though and that has been part of the argument against wearing masks and gloves in the U.K. The best control is hand washing and social distancing. Wearing a mask doesn’t take away the need to wash hands.
Hand washing is always the best line of defence.
Yes, I understand how antibodies work. In fact, that's my whole point. A positive antibody test likely means that whoever had the infection is now clear of infection. So how does adding those positive cases into the mix give us any new insight? It doesn't. It's misleading to lump all the positive cases together.

This is like the media and government doing a 1 sided analysis. They are just advertising positive cases without proper context. Either way, it seems like sometime soon we should realize there may be nothing else we can do. The virus is going to continue to run its course.
 

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It's my understanding that specific areas of the U.S are having new COVID-19 spikes. In Ohio for example, the average positive case per day was around 400-500. Now the past few days there have been upwards of 800 new cases. Also, there's no clear indication as to why. People in Ohio are still wearing masks, we are still social distancing. The city I live in just canceled their 4th of July parade.


Yes, I understand how antibodies work. In fact, that's my whole point. A positive antibody test likely means that whoever had the infection is now clear of infection. So how does adding those positive cases into the mix give us any new insight? It doesn't. It's misleading to lump all the positive cases together.

This is like the media and government doing a 1 sided analysis. They are just advertising positive cases without proper context. Either way, it seems like sometime soon we should realize there may be nothing else we can do. The virus is going to continue to run its course.
I do honestly believe that some areas - particularly in the US - have opened up too quickly. There are similar concerns here, particularly in relation to Leicester, with the government considering what action needs to be taken. We are still quite far behind the US though, I think. People have become complacent.

I possibly misunderstood what you were saying about the testing. I didn’t understand that the antibody tests were included in the numbers of positive cases there.
I also agree with you, that it is difficult to see a clear way forward. It seems inevitable that there will continue to be spikes in the incidence of cases as we come out of lockdown. It’s just a matter of knowing what’s acceptable or when action is required.
 

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I do honestly believe that some areas - particularly in the US - have opened up too quickly. There are similar concerns here, particularly in relation to Leicester, with the government considering what action needs to be taken. We are still quite far behind the US though, I think. People have become complacent.

I possibly misunderstood what you were saying about the testing. I didn’t understand that the antibody tests were included in the numbers of positive cases there.
I also agree with you, that it is difficult to see a clear way forward. It seems inevitable that there will continue to be spikes in the incidence of cases as we come out of lockdown. It’s just a matter of knowing what’s acceptable or when action is required.
How we are tallying positive cases in the U.S is unclear. Maybe the information is out there and I just can't find it.

Its like I have to dig through all the medias garbage opinions just to find something that should be at the top of every COVID-19 article.
 

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I think I might have caught the fukn shit. My lunges hurt, it's though to draw breaths, feels like my throat is closingin on me and I've lost my voice plus my throat really hurts and Im coughing so my eyes are tearing. At most I can get half a sound through but thats it. Could be a common cold, I dont know, theres no fever yet nor any muscle pain.

It came the day after some guys bothered me at the beach by initiating conversation and then one of them moving to my towel and sitting EXTREMELY close (we're talking so close his skin touched mine, it felt respectless and a bit eery) although I told him to move a bit bc my eyes couldnt focus, bc he was so close. They also insisted on me drinking wine with them and gave me a used mug to drink from, I didnt dare to object.. Their friend had just been arrested hours before bc he had been trying to start fights and bothered girls around so a man called the police who wresteled him down and and I wasnt smart enough to -like the other girls around- move away from them bc I thought I should be able to sit around them without being bothered but nope.

:oops:

Should have moved away from them.
 

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Lol, I'm starting to buy the argument that kids are gross. Mainly because I was that gross kid for awhile. I did so much dumb shit that it's mind-boggling. Of course, symbolically I lost an eye over it all. In any case that seems like a small price to pay. Especially since kids these days are out there spreading Covid-19.

There's something about being toxic without the disease though. Maybe I'm just old-school toxic, like I don't want to hurt anyone. My philosophy is why hurt anyone you can outright take over and control. Not because I'm sadistic or anything, but because control is a product of a reaction. Maybe even any reaction.
 

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yes. say hi to ed for me.
OMG.. lol :D
I was having probs with my phone last night and then I gave up.. I started posting something and then gave up and fell asleep. mustve rolled on my phone in my sleep. That's freaking hilarious!!!
 
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I think I might have caught the fukn shit. My lunges hurt, it's though to draw breaths, feels like my throat is closingin on me and I've lost my voice plus my throat really hurts and Im coughing so my eyes are tearing. At most I can get half a sound through but thats it. Could be a common cold, I dont know, theres no fever yet nor any muscle pain.

It came the day after some guys bothered me at the beach by initiating conversation and then one of them moving to my towel and sitting EXTREMELY close (we're talking so close his skin touched mine, it felt respectless and a bit eery) although I told him to move a bit bc my eyes couldnt focus, bc he was so close. They also insisted on me drinking wine with them and gave me a used mug to drink from, I didnt dare to object.. Their friend had just been arrested hours before bc he had been trying to start fights and bothered girls around so a man called the police who wresteled him down and and I wasnt smart enough to -like the other girls around- move away from them bc I thought I should be able to sit around them without being bothered but nope.

:oops:

Should have moved away from them.
Sorry to hear that vixy :( I'll keep you in my prayers for good health.
 

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OMG.. lol :D
I was having probs with my phone last night and then I gave up.. I started posting something and then gave up and fell asleep. mustve rolled on my phone in my sleep. That's freaking hilarious!!!
You can type and post on your phone in your sleep?
 

Hon33

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How we are tallying positive cases in the U.S is unclear. Maybe the information is out there and I just can't find it.

Its like I have to dig through all the medias garbage opinions just to find something that should be at the top of every COVID-19 article.
The apparent increase in cases certainly seems very concerning:(
 
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