Doubtful. JSYou're on ignore.
Doubtful. JSYou're on ignore.
Why should arrests need to serve as a deterrent? Locking up criminals reduces crime so arrests are useful.i don’t know how you would argue this. If being arrested doesn’t create a deterrent to commit crime, then it is not functioning as an effective method of improving society and should be replaced at least in part if not in full.
And I’m really interested in hearing the cultural ways that exist to discourage people from committing crime that would be considered racist by an external audience.
Lol.The cops weren't trying to kill a lion, were they? They were trying to restrain a man of similar size in the least harmful way possible, and it eventually cost Ragshard's life. If they would've incapacitated Ragshard, he might still have been alive. Yes, you read that right. Police brutality can save lives.
I still don’t quite understand why you would say that arresting people shouldn’t serve as a deterrent in order to demonstrate that it is an effective institution. If you know you are going to be arrested for stealing and there are going to be penalties for this. It is logical to weigh this penalty with the potential benefits of stealing.Why should arrests need to serve as a deterrent? Locking up criminals reduces crime so arrests are useful.
What should deter people from committing crime are things like having decent morals, being accountable, acting responsibly, acknowledging you're just one member of a society and civilization, you know, having basic human decency. How about we keep arrests, and start instilling a sense of morality and accountability and responsibility for all those kids that end up living fatherless which perpetuates the cycle of crime and poverty? We could stop appraising and facilitating the stereotypical thug lifestyle that was popularized by Arnold Rothstein's offspring on MTV; convince them that guys like Snoop and the Game aren't role models you want to immitate, but that they are part of the problem. Convince them that they can achieve other successes in life other than as a basketball player or a gangsta rapper. We should stop pandering the idea that they have no control over their destiny, that they could never achieve what they want to achieve because it's fixed against them by an artificial nemesis. They should be liberated from that idea or remain defeatist, because they'll be fighting windmills.
Boo hoo With all the nasty condescending shit you’ve said to me lately I find it kind of funny that when someone points the mirror your way “it’s a bridge too far” and you need to shelter yourself from it. But do you.If a job and solid income are what keeps people from falling back into crime, how come this?
“The recession of 2008-09 has undercut one of the most destructive social theories that came out of the 1960s: the idea that the root cause of crime lies in income inequality and social injustice.“As the economy started shedding jobs in 2008, criminologists and pundits predicted that crime would shoot up, since poverty, as the ‘root causes’ theory holds, begets criminals. Instead, the opposite happened.”“Over seven million lost jobs later, crime has plummeted to its lowest level since the early 1960s. The consequences of this drop for how we think about social order are significant.”Mac Donald further asserts that “by the end of 2009, the purported association between economic hardship and crime was in shambles.linkA bridge too far. You're on ignore.
I thought I should write here too.You are a white supremacist when you don't follow their lies and manipulations and you come with objective facts.
When a white man commits a crime against a black, this is a situation that requires the destruction of the history of whites. Vice versa (although much more than the other), somehow we have to take that lying down.
We are asked to see them as a group without a criminal capacity. We should see them as/like ill-bred children (totally wrong and racist thought). But we should also recognize their political leadership. You cannot be both criminally insane(this is your opinion) and leader. You have to choose one.
Being an impotent group that needs help and being a group that wants to overthrow the regime and become a leader are very different things. It can't be both at the same time.
The war on drugs is directly responsible today for the over representation of blacks in the American incarceration system. You have to view black history in America in its successive phases. From slavery to the new Jim crow.Why should arrests need to serve as a deterrent? Locking up criminals reduces crime so arrests are useful.
What should deter people from committing crime are things like having decent morals, being accountable, acting responsibly, acknowledging you're just one member of a society and civilization, you know, having basic human decency. How about we keep arrests, and start instilling a sense of morality and accountability and responsibility for all those kids that end up living fatherless which perpetuates the cycle of crime and poverty? We could stop appraising and facilitating the stereotypical thug lifestyle that was popularized by Arnold Rothstein's offspring on MTV; convince them that guys like Snoop and the Game aren't role models you want to immitate, but that they are part of the problem. Convince them that they can achieve other successes in life other than as a basketball player or a gangsta rapper. We should stop pandering the idea that they have no control over their destiny, that they could never achieve what they want to achieve because it's fixed against them by an artificial nemesis. They should be liberated from that idea or remain defeatist, because they'll be fighting windmills.
its not a black thing its a class thing, i know more poor white people...The war on drugs is directly responsible today for the over representation of blacks in the American incarceration system. You have to view black history in America in its successive phases. From slavery to the new Jim crow.
Do you understand why school systems were created? To control delinquency and socially condition kids. So don't give me that crap about instilling a sense of morality and accountability, when that is exactly what the education system is meant to do. The public education system today should be providing the same sense of moral education to black kids as you got (if of course you went to a public school). But we both know that's not the case because the education system needs to be reformed as it doesn't work for black kids.
You have to realize how the war on drugs factors in to this as well because drugs provide a route for quick money. Black communities suffer from a lack of generational wealth which is a direct result of slavery and racist policies that made it difficult for blacks to build economic self sufficiency (tulsa riots are a prime example of how racism had played a role in preventing generational wealth in the black community).
When education fails and there is no economic recourse, working a low paying service job isn't appealing. This creates an environment for the drug trade to proliferate. The crack cocaine epidemic killed the black communities and the governments role in spreading this can be easily looked up.
Black communities have also suffered from a leadership void which again is the product of government interventions (ie, cointelpro). Lack of strong leaders has created communities with a lack of guidance or sense of direction.
To insist that this is a black culture issue and then point to the culture glorified in media is laughable. Then you like to cover up the tracks that the media is still controlled by white people that promote these stereotypes by saying its not white people but its the Jews. Last I checked they look white to me. This parts important too at an economic level because many of these white owned media promote a culture that encourages blacks to spend. They don't show them the value of buying land or owning property or equity to build wealth but rather push the idea of buying jewels or cars or other non appreciating assets. But this isn't a black culture problem this is the white man imposing the type of culture they should see. I say this because anyone with a shred of knowledge of hip hop knows the vast variety of work within the industry. Much of which is not mainstream and doesn't get the radio plays for obvious reasons. It's interesting as the colonizers used these tactics on native Americans as well by creating a need for unnecessary goods and allowing natives to destroy each other by fighting over the fur trade to be able to economically access these goods.
I can agree with some of the last points you made. Improving self worth is important for a struggling community (or individual) to improve their situation. But self worth is also tied to how you're perceived. Through successive generations a caricature has been created of the black man which black people have internalized as a truth. I think this is why black on black crime is so rampant because internalized has even ended up teaching black people to hate their blackness.
Who said class is not an issue? I know the bigger problem is classism.its not a black thing its a class thing, i know more poor white people...
Disagree. They were doing better during Jim Crow and they were doing better because they had stable families. The War on Drugs has effected the blacks to a greater extent, but it wasn't targeted at them exclusively. Remember Woodstock and the 70s psychedelics?The war on drugs is directly responsible today for the over representation of blacks in the American incarceration system. You have to view black history in America in its successive phases. From slavery to the new Jim crow.
That's not at all the purpose of the education system. Schools oughta provide children the tools to become functional members of a society in which they can succeed by teaching them how to write, how to do math, how to think correctly, etc. Education has no role in telling kids what's right, what's wrong or what to think. Parents, the extended family and the community centered around a religious institution transmit morality and a sense of accountability. That's why the destruction of the family unit and the religious insitution which emphasized the importance of said family unit was the number one agenda stemming from the illuminist philosophers, and in terms of destroying the family unit, it hit the black community the hardest, when it concerns the destruction of religion, it hit Catholics the hardest.Do you understand why school systems were created? To control delinquency and socially condition kids. So don't give me that crap about instilling a sense of morality and accountability, when that is exactly what the education system is meant to do.
It's the same old reasoning. The education system isn't working for the black community, therefore the education system needs to change, while the consideration that the fault, at least partially, lies within the black community itself and the people who facilitate their status quo or degradation. It won't work by finetuning the education system for a specific group of people. If they want a different curriculum, I'd say let them have it. I'm all in favour of peaceful separation and giving them autonomy over every segment of their society, including education. But subjecting other groups of people who have no problem with the American education system just for the sake of another group who's falling behind is the exact same rationale behind school reforms that have weakened school systems all over the western world for decades. It's a bad idea.The public education system today should be providing the same sense of moral education to black kids as you got (if of course you went to a public school). But we both know that's not the case because the education system needs to be reformed as it doesn't work for black kids.
Generational wealth is very flexible. 70% of rich families lose their wealth by the 2nd generation, 90% by the 3rd. Just as there is a large dropout from the group of wealthy, there's alot of climbing-in too. The opportunity is there. It will require more effort if one doesn't have the proper connections or the inclination to do big money crime. And if it requires a little bit more effort from black people, then so be it. I have no compassion for them when I see how European farmers work on average twice as hard without getting any handouts, do practically zero crime, without turning to drugs and violence, and are forced to live in perpetual extreme poverty which has led in France to 2 farmer suicides every single day. The result of true economic oppression and governmental neglect and all without any media attention.You have to realize how the war on drugs factors in to this as well because drugs provide a route for quick money. Black communities suffer from a lack of generational wealth which is a direct result of slavery and racist policies that made it difficult for blacks to build economic self sufficiency (tulsa riots are a prime example of how racism had played a role in preventing generational wealth in the black community).
Yes, there's a lot of people in power that want the mass drunk, drugged and stoned. Add some weapons to the mix and they will reign over them while they kill each other. Doesn't take away people's own responsibilities to resist such manipulations, and the best way communities can resist these subversions is with strong family units with a strong collective moral foundation. That's the cultural way of resisting the beast, which is no more true for blacks than it is for whites or others.When education fails and there is no economic recourse, working a low paying service job isn't appealing. This creates an environment for the drug trade to proliferate. The crack cocaine epidemic killed the black communities and the governments role in spreading this can be easily looked up. Black communities have also suffered from a leadership void which again is the product of government interventions (ie, cointelpro). Lack of strong leaders has created communities with a lack of guidance or sense of direction.
Yeah, no, it's still mostly Jews. Jerry Heller & Lyor Cohen a.k.a. "Little Lansky" (both critical in the creation of gangsta rap and the promotion of an anti-cop attitude among blacks), David Geffen, Jerry Moss and Alpert, Edgar Bronfman Jr., David Geffen, Leo Blavatnik, the Redstone family, ... it's basically the American Crime Syndicate that runs the entertainment industry. Or did Murder Inc. not ring any bells? Just like whites teamed up with Jews and satanists, or Jewish satanists, in the rock industry to spread (a lot of good music, but still) a degenerate culture involving drugs and sexual promiscuity to the masses, targeted mainly at white youth, while making a shedload of money, so too did black people partner Jewish satanists to spread another degenerate culture also involving drugs and sexual promiscuity, and add to that gun violence, to the masses, targeted mainly at black youth, while making a shedload of money. Am I singling out black people because they are black? Or am I identifying them because the effects on them have been worse, to make an understatement, and I don't think it's up to them to teach wider society, especially whites, how to live just and moral lives?To insist that this is a black culture issue and then point to the culture glorified in media is laughable. Then you like to cover up the tracks that the media is still controlled by white people that promote these stereotypes by saying its not white people but its the Jews. Last I checked they look white to me. This parts important too at an economic level because many of these white owned media promote a culture that encourages blacks to spend. They don't show them the value of buying land or owning property or equity to build wealth but rather push the idea of buying jewels or cars or other non appreciating assets. But this isn't a black culture problem this is the white man imposing the type of culture they should see. I say this because anyone with a shred of knowledge of hip hop knows the vast variety of work within the industry. Much of which is not mainstream and doesn't get the radio plays for obvious reasons. It's interesting as the colonizers used these tactics on native Americans as well by creating a need for unnecessary goods and allowing natives to destroy each other by fighting over the fur trade to be able to economically access these goods.
The same media has portrayed white caricatures in similar fashion, from hillbillies and rednecks to trailer trash. If certain people care about how they are perceived, give people reason to perceive you positively. Prejudice will always survive, it's not something that can be regulated.I can agree with some of the last points you made. Improving self worth is important for a struggling community (or individual) to improve their situation. But self worth is also tied to how you're perceived. Through successive generations a caricature has been created of the black man which black people have internalized as a truth. I think this is why black on black crime is so rampant because internalized has even ended up teaching black people to hate their blackness.
I thought it was the fatherless families that was the downfall..Larry Elder..a black man thinks that’s the number one problem facing blacks..and not just blacks..The war on drugs is directly responsible today for the over representation of blacks in the American incarceration system.
Defunding the police sends the wrong message. I'd defund welfare for single moms instead.I still don’t quite understand why you would say that arresting people shouldn’t serve as a deterrent in order to demonstrate that it is an effective institution. If you know you are going to be arrested for stealing and there are going to be penalties for this. It is logical to weigh this penalty with the potential benefits of stealing.
that would be when police work would evidence effectiveness within a community. If this does not appear to be an effective deterrent, then there is an imbalance somewhere so that when a person weighs their options before committing a crime, the benefits of committing the crime still outweigh the benefits of not committing the crime.
I don’t know why you said you thought your suggestions would come across as racist either. Although, you are listing many things that the modern civil rights movement pre 2000 were saying exist because of racism.
think about it, I’m sure you have some familiarity with the demographics for executive positions and you are aware that pre 2000 it was more likely for a white man to be in an executive position than a man of a different race. This is reality. It doesn’t mean that every white man lacked integrity in these positions, but it is true that they had the final say many times over whether something was produced that gave the appearance that the black community was all about the thug life.
there has been a power struggle in this industry over this image for a long time, so you also can’t say this is the only way black people are seen in media either.
your suggestions also suggest that you would agree that crime is reduced by creating educational opportunities that help correct an imbalance so to speak. So that people start being able to see that not committing crime has more benefit than committing crime because they are able to develop greater self esteem or some other positive quality.
And since your suggestions encourage creating balance, I wonder why you don’t support diverting funding from police services towards other services that would essentially help correct this imbalance?