Are black lives at risk? Not by the police or any other race.

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If you insist on over-simplifying and ignoring the details, sure. I’m just telling you what actually happened. Don’t shoot the messenger.
I'm not ignoring details, I'm ignoring your obfuscation. Would Rayshard have lived if the cops called medical assistance after 1 minute instead of 2? Or 10 seconds instead of 2? Do you know? No. But we can say with almost complete certainty that he would have lived if he didn't resist arrest.

#stopresistingarrest is what will save black lives, not #blacklivesmatter or #defundthepolice.
 
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I'm not ignoring details, I'm ignoring your obfuscation. Would Rayshard have lived if the cops called medical assistance after 1 minute instead of 2? Or 10 seconds instead of 2? Do you know? No. But we can say with almost complete certainty that he would have lived if he didn't resist arrest.

#stopresistingarrest is what will save black lives, not #blacklivesmatter or #defundthepolice.
Well duh! However he also would have lived if the officers weren’t so incompetent, irresponsible, and cold-hearted.
 
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LOL that's not what the stats say! (since y'all love those).

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/us/police-involved-shooting-cases/index.html

80 does not seem like anything. Now I'll wait for the "It's coming from CNN rebuttal."
First case:
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"Smith was previously convicted for drug distribution and unlawful possession of a firearm, and was out on probation for a theft charge at the time of the incident.[3] Police officer Stockley and his partner have stated they saw Smith engaged in a drug deal. Dashcam footage from their police cruiser recorded Smith reversing his car into their vehicle twice before driving off. A car chase lasting three minutes ensued, ending when Stockley's partner, on Stockley's recommendation, rammed Smith's car.[2] Stockley was recorded during the chase as saying "going to kill this motherfucker, don’t you know it".[1] After the car was stopped, Stockley and his partner, Brian Bianchi, approached Smith's vehicle at West Florissant and Acme Avenues in north St. Louis.[4] Witnesses testified and dashcam footage showed that Stockley yelled at Smith through the driver side window of Smith's vehicle to open the door. Stockley testified that Smith did not comply but rather appeared to be reaching around the interior of his vehicle in search of something which Stockley believed to be a gun. Stockley testified that Smith's demeanor suddenly changed, which Stockley believed indicated that Smith had found the alleged gun. Stockley then opened fire through the window and shot five times, killing Smith. The judge's ruling in subsequent criminal case found that the "[a]fter Smith is removed from the Buick, Stockley gets in on the driver's side;...The evidence at trial was that Stockley got into the car to search for a weapon, and Stockley testified that he found a handgun tucked between the seat and center console." [5][2] In 2013 the St. Louis police board settled a wrongful death suit with Smith's survivors for $900,000.[6]"
you have committed a crime. you're armed. you are running by car. you risk the lives of people on the road. so? I don't mean law, but it's not unfair that you die.

Second case: The cop is also black. It must be explained what kind of racism this is.

I don't think the situation is different afterwards. the things I have discussed for a long time in this thread. I won't repeat.

A firearm is not the only way to risk people. You won't resist arrest. If the police say put your hands on your head, you won't move your hands anywhere else. By running away by car, you won't endanger people on the road. Otherwise, it won't be someone else's fault when you die.
 
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Well duh! However he also would have lived if the officers weren’t so incompetent, irresponsible, and cold-hearted.
No, he most certainly would have lived had he not resisted arrest and stole their stun gun. And I would say he would have lived had he not stole their stun gun..it was the stealing of the stun gun that ramped it up.
 
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New York: Surveillance video shows a man punching a 92-year-old woman to the ground in broad daylight last Friday. Rashid Brimmage is a registered sex offender with over 100 arrests for charges ranging from sexual abuse and groping women on the subway, public lewdness, harassment, criminal trespass, and punching strangers. Due to so-called criminal justice-reform policies that include no-cash bail, Brimmage has been released repeatedly, allowing him to injure more people. The woman has recovered injuries from the fall, but now is afraid to walk alone. -GEG

actually their problem is not "being over-policed", but "over-released".
 
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New York: Surveillance video shows a man punching a 92-year-old woman to the ground in broad daylight last Friday. Rashid Brimmage is a registered sex offender with over 100 arrests for charges ranging from sexual abuse and groping women on the subway, public lewdness, harassment, criminal trespass, and punching strangers. Due to so-called criminal justice-reform policies that include no-cash bail, Brimmage has been released repeatedly, allowing him to injure more people. The woman has recovered injuries from the fall, but now is afraid to walk alone. -GEG

actually their problem is not "being over-policed", but "over-released".
Who is “their”?
 
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Atlanta PD unraveling as street thugs rise to power, criminalizing self defense
The Atlanta PD is beginning to unravel as anti-cop sentiment engulfs the nation. Atlanta could become one of the first major U.S. cities to lose its law enforcement, as the communist Left convinces the nation that cops can no longer use force at all or defend their communities from violent criminals. Yes, law enforcement should be held to high standards, but they cannot be made handicap to violent offenders, prosecuted for defending themselves. Without strong and capable law enforcement, gangs will rule the streets, extorting whomever them want, while running drugs into the streets. When police are told to stand down, violent BLM and Antifa mobs can hijack portions of a city, like they did in Seattle. As thugs gain power, they threaten to abolish the police, as they continue to riot, loot and pillage property, threatening innocent lives.

This case in Atlanta is important, for it has implications that will permeate law enforcement operations around the country and drastically affect the right of individuals to defend their own lives and property. If a police officer can be given the death penalty for acting in self defense, then what can happen to individuals who act in self defense after they are attacked by gangs, mobs and violent criminals?

If Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard gets his way, then Antifa and the BLM mobs will gain incredible new legal power to attack whomever they want and berate police officers. Officers and law abiding citizens will be helpless, scared to fight back in self defense for fear of prosecution. A person of white skin, defending himself from BLM mobs, could ultimately be given the death penalty for daring to save his own life. A white person, especially a white cop, is now perceived as a racist white supremacist if they defend their families and their communities from BLM mobs and Antifa terrorists.

As police departments unravel because they aren’t allowed to do their job, cities will devolve into a Wild West scenario, where everyone is left to fend for themselves. This will only go on for so long, until police departments lose their best men and women and are overrun by the very thugs who are rising to power on the streets.
 
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...The current riots are an operation designed to produce more top-down control in America.

The operation is also designed, through riots, to wreak more havoc on the US economy—piling on the COVID lockdowns, which are themselves part of the overall op: destroy America.

What starts out as fair and just and right for black people has nothing to do with it, the higher you go on the ladder of power.

Many people fail to understand that, when elite Globalist forces stage an op, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO CHOOSE TWO SIDES TO PIT AGAINST EACH OTHER THAT HAVE NO EMOTIONAL OR FACTUAL REALITY.
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They’re going to choose black vs. white, because that has electric force inside people.

They’re going to choose black vs. white, because there is history, and because both sides have positions and arguments and accusations and claims of prejudice and reverse-prejudice.

But the INTENT is to get white people and black people looking through different and unalterable lenses at each other.

And to ignore all situations in which black and white people get along. I repeat, TO IGNORE ALL SITUATIONS IN WHICH BLACK AND WHITE PEOPLE GET ALONG.

The rise of the union movement in America produced a vast amount of black and white cooperation and friendship and mutual loyalty—until unions themselves became big business and mafia money laundries and would-be monopolies.
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THE UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL is a much larger reality than race war. The ideas embedded in the Constitution turn out to have a lot to do with the unique individual developing his own vision and power and creative force—if he will realize that fact.
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Coming out of World War 2, propagandists and government planners and marketers and intelligence agencies and think tanks and corporate advisors and mass communications experts began to realize they could strengthen their position by: convincing individuals to think of themselves as GROUPS.

Groups are easier to control.
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Make a group, define it, urge the members to conceive of themselves in limited terms, profile the group, sell products to the group, show the group they have political aspirations that can be satisfied by big government…and the whole society changes.

Face it, these marketers and propagandists are, in many ways, the scum of the earth. They see a glint of promise in group-think, and their goal becomes: create groups. By name, by agenda, by class, by race, by religion, by age, by preferences, by economic background, by every possible marker.

Believe it or not, the marketers caught on to what was happening in the Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 60s; they looked at Martin Luther King, and they said, “WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE.” Yes. And it was an opportunity that went far beyond the justice of voting rights and integrated education.

The marketers said, “We can create a new group. Not just black Americans. Black Americans with government benefits. We can dead-end the whole Civil Rights movement into a Welfare State of vast proportions. We can create total dependence on government—and at the same time, we’ll be expanding the size and power of government over the people. It’s a double winner.”

From the point of view of the marketers, the fairness and justice and right of black Americans to receive welfare was entirely beside the point. That wasn’t the issue at all. The issue was the pacification of black Americans. A way to use money and benefits to keep black Americans under control. The cynicism was breathtaking.

The marketers realized, of course, that they would need black leaders to say, over and over again, that welfare was a right, and it was fair and just and reasonable, based on the history of slavery. Based on racism. And some black leaders who emerged were co-opted into that cause and that OPERATION.

“But black people DO deserve welfare.”

Again—the marketers are going to choose an issue that can be argued, that can be justified. But the real motive is hidden.

It all starts with forming a group. “Black people must be taught to think of themselves as black and nothing else. As black victims. Certainly not as unique individuals.”

Certain members of the Black Panthers, and Malcolm X, recognized the basic con. They saw certain white liberals who were “on their side” as the enemy. They saw that these fawning liberals were actually hoping and working for a way to PACIFY and sideline black independence.

And of course, on the other side, the marketers would need to create a group of white liberals, a very large group, who would support “black rights,” naively believing this was all about fairness and justice and NOTHING ELSE.

THE WHOLE THING BECAME SYNTHETIC.

Again, the much greater reality of black and white Americans who get along is cowed into silence and drowned out. By louder voices. By violence.

The whole thing is synthetic because THE UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL is submerged. Without the individual, you have mass mind control. You have ideology taking center stage. You have endless solutions, each more absurd than the last. And what for? For the elevation of the GROUP.

Yes, there are groups composed of unique individuals who come together for a common cause, but “black vs. white” is not built that way.

And yes, these current riots in America have trained infiltrators from both the political Right and Left, who are there to pump up the violence and the demands. But the structure of the operation is deeper than this infiltration. It is, as I say, politically neutral, because Globalists who want to level and destroy every last shred of independence and freedom and prosperity in America are neutral. They hide behind, and use, ideology as an ever-shifting weapon to achieve CONTROL.

Create groups to stand in for individuals.

The great unwritten history of America, and other countries, is the hidden record of INVENTING SYNTHETIC GROUPS. A group may start out as real and true, but when it is taken over and distorted and reshaped and given a programmatic agenda and injected with a grossly limited self-image…then you have a construct, and mind control takes precedence.

Then on the screens of the news, you see vicious cartoons playing out…except real people are defamed, injured, dispensed with, disposed of.

“But mass movements against racism have achieved victories.”

Yes they have. Among them, voting rights, and the curbing of racist brutality, particularly in the South. But then what happened?

What happened was a planned dead-ending.

Marketers: “We have to do whatever it takes to stop any talk of the UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL among black-group causes and objectives. It has to be all about the group. Forever. Benefits. Welfare. THAT has to drown out EVERYTHING else. The promise of individuals emerging from groups has to be squelched. Verboten. And the same principles have to be applied to white groups who are supporting black rights. The white groups as well have to be masses, not individuals. And those white groups who oppose black rights have to be infiltrated and cultivated. They, too, must be masses. In each group, hook up minds and brains into collectives. That’s what we’re selling. Collectivism. Take the true and real and twist it.”

The marketers found out this was not hard to do—particularly when major media were brought on board and controlled. The news would be all about GROUPS. Government helping groups. Government denying help to groups. Stimulating people to think of themselves as the American group when the occasion demanded it. “We’re all in this together.” “Stay locked down and realize you’re not alone.” “We’ll all get through this together.” “It’s time to wage a war against Iraq. We’re in this together.” As a group. A synthetic group.

Think it through. If media wanted to, right now, they could highlight, wall to wall, Americans, black and white, who get along with each other. THAT could be elevated by a news network, to great prominence. It’s certainly factual. But it’ll never happen. That’s not the agenda. That’s not what is being sold.

The awkward and stark and fantastic truth is, beyond skin color and cultural background, there are no black or white people. There are unique individuals. That’s where the SYNTHETIC stops and the deeper reality begins. That’s where actual liberation takes place. If it doesn’t take place there, it doesn’t happen in the way it was meant to.

Whether you believe in God the Creator or evolution or something else as the explanation for the human race, progress was meant to involve the individual coming out of the group and staking his claim to a life of his own making, according to his best vision of his greatest thoughts and values.
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Once you have unique individuals, then groups can begin to make LASTING sense. Without those individuals, they don’t. They can’t. Even if their objective and their rhetoric is designed to achieve some piece of heroic righteous justice, that group will eventually be swallowed up in ill intent. It will disappear into the maw of a constructed conflict against another group. It will fall under the spell of a ruthless leader. It will go backward into the past.
 

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A period from 2005 to 2017. I was talking about nowadays. Proactive policing or policing in general has gone down in recent years, because even justified, correctly executed interventions could lead to being fired, getting charged, and even if a cop walks free, a public stigma. It's completely understandable.

And before you start about cognitive dissonance, you should look at the people who insist on excusing black Americans for their clear disproportionate crime rates, both intraracial as interracial. In 2018, a black was 45.8 times more likely to commit a violent crime to a white than the inverse to which you start looking for "qualitative" data. Talk to me again about cognitive dissonance the moment you stop blindly chasing a myth of "systemic institutional structures" of racism.
Your point is moot. I showed you 12 years of data that verifies cops aren't getting arrested for their brutality. They chose to work public service, if they don't want to do their jobs perhaps they should change careers. Perception shouldn't impact them having to their work. Should healthcare workers stop caring for the sick because of the perceptions and fears tied to coronavirus? Especially when the perception doesn't correlate with facts.

You keep harping on about black crimes as if anyone here denies that black crime rate is not an issue. Nobody is saying it is not a problem. However, the topic is police killing people un-justifiably. The causes for black crime rates are in the multitude and systematic racism plays a role in this too. But what's the point of harping about my thoughts to a white supremacist.
 
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You are a white supremacist when you don't follow their lies and manipulations and you come with objective facts.

When a white man commits a crime against a black, this is a situation that requires the destruction of the history of whites. Vice versa (although much more than the other), somehow we have to take that lying down.

We are asked to see them as a group without a criminal capacity. We should see them as/like ill-bred children (totally wrong and racist thought). But we should also recognize their political leadership. You cannot be both criminally insane(this is your opinion) and leader. You have to choose one.

Being an impotent group that needs help and being a group that wants to overthrow the regime and become a leader are very different things. It can't be both at the same time.
 

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Last I checked we have managed to have both criminal white people and white leaders. Often times we even have white leaders who are also criminal (at the same time). Our bad apples don’t define us as a race or a people. That’s what you seek to do to the black community though. So who’s racist?
 
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The racist thoughts in my post don't belong to me, but to the other party that I see contradictory.

I think black people have a criminal capacity and political rights. I don't even have to say that. I'm just talking about the contradictions in the narrative of BLM, which are real racists.
 
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The racist thoughts in my post don't belong to me, but to the other party that I see contradictory.

I think black people have a criminal capacity and political rights. I don't even have to say that. I'm just talking about the contradictions in the narrative of BLM, which are real racists.
Real racism:

“You want to know what this was really all about,” Ehrlichman, who died in 1999, said, referring to Nixon’s declaration of war on drugs. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

This is real racism. Let me know, when you're up against something like this, then we can say there are racists on both sides. Because someone calling you mean names or saying mean things about you/your race isnt the same as this above
 
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Real racism:

“You want to know what this was really all about,” Ehrlichman, who died in 1999, said, referring to Nixon’s declaration of war on drugs. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

This is real racism. Let me know, when you're up against something like this, then we can say there are racists on both sides. Because someone calling you mean names or saying mean things about you/your race isnt the same as this above
With this (even if it's true), you cannot explain that they still have high crime rates in different categories. The fact that they committed 53 percent of all murders in 2018 can't related to the Nixon government policy of "vilify". Racism is an old issue.
 
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With this (even if it's true), you cannot explain that they still have high crime rates in different categories. The fact that they committed 53 percent of all murders in 2018 can't related to the Nixon government policy of "vilify". Racism is an old issue.
Huh? It shows an active effort to DESTABILIZE a specific community. It shows that on one end here in America, they were IMPRISONING black men for drugs, while on the other end they were financing the drug cartels who were moving the drugs. And you come back on the back end of that and look at black people and ask "why didnt you overcome that?" They purposely destabilized the black community, and all you can say to them is "why didnt you overcome it?"
 
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